Is this 60K a year?

workaccount

http://www.bristowgroup.com/careers/Bristow_Caribbean_Pilot.pdf

I'm assuming the salary on that list is monthly. It works out around 60k a year. Alot of experience required also?

Doesn't seem a brilliant salary....maybe 75k would seem better.

Is 60k average for this type of position?

ronnie3585

Also, keep in mind that if an Irish resident were to take that job their salary would not be tax free for three years.

workaccount

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Also, keep in mind that if an Irish resident were to take that job their salary would not be tax free for three years.

Can you explain why that is?

ronnie3585

You may change your domocile, ie move to the Bahamas, however you do not lose your 'resident' status in this country. You will be chargable to Irish tax on your world wide income when you are ordinarily resident in this jurisdiction. In order to lose this ordinarily resident status you need to be non resident for three consecutive tax years.

jmayo

Why do people always assume that all pilots jobs are well paid ?
Often first officers working for small companies make shag all. The way you make money is by moving to bigger company and flying heavier kit. Eventually you may get the captaincy on a 777 or an Airbus 380 and then the bucks roll in.

I have met a lot of pilots down the years that were making shag all money, but they persisted because a) they enjoy flying and/or b) they hope to some day get one of those rerally high paying jobs.
Hell I knew of one guy laid off just after 911 by small airline that was subsequently making more as a club doorman.

workaccount

jmayo wrote: »

Why do people always assume that all pilots jobs are well paid ?
Often first officers working for small companies make shag all. The way you make money is by moving to bigger company and flying heavier kit. Eventually you may get the captaincy on a 777 or an Airbus 380 and then the bucks roll in.

I have met a lot of pilots down the years that were making shag all money, but they persisted because a) they enjoy flying and/or b) they hope to some day get one of those rerally high paying jobs.
Hell I knew of one guy laid off just after 911 by small airline that was subsequently making more as a club doorman.

Well I've read before that it's a rewarding job. It's also so expensive to train. I have read also that you are supposed to be able to pay the money back reasonably quickly.

Out of interest why is flying a 777 or A380, 747 etc. a better paid job. What extra responsability do you have really? I know you could have twice as many people on board (even 8 times as many people!). It's not like you do anything different that makes it safer for 800 people than 100 people?

Those jets are not meant to be the hardest thing to fly either.

ImDave

Pilots, in particular F/O's in the US seem to make substantially less than their EU counterparts, going by what I read on pprune.

Captains Up to €130,000 +
First Officers (1,500 hrs) Up to €80,000 +

The above is taken from FR's pilot recruitment page. Is it anyway believable or is it typical Ryanair rubbish?

cp251

Well I've read before that it's a rewarding job. It's also so expensive to train. I have read also that you are supposed to be able to pay the money back reasonably quickly.

Where have you read this Workaccount? Because it's not true. As for 60k a year, Euros or Dollars. If I was earning that I woudl die happy. If you think 60k a year is too low for you. You might perhaps consider an alternative career.

EI-DAV, those salaries are credible enough for long serving pilots. However Ryanair will screw you big time before you ever get near those pay scales. The first six months, after you pay for your rating. You get paid money that even McDonalds would be ashamed of. But the majority of new Ryanair pilots are on Brookfield contracts. They are self employed and paid per hour. In effect they fly for Ryanair but they don't work for Ryanair. They are contractors.
>500 hours - 55 euro
>500 <1500 hours - 75 euro
>1500 hours - 80 euro

You can expect about 850 hours a years, From that you pay tax, PRSI. You don't get paid leave and if you don't fly for any reason you don't get paid. Oh and if they don't need you anymore you are out.

Do you really want to be a pilot?

workaccount

cp251 wrote: »

Where have you read this Workaccount? Because it's not true. As for 60k a year, Euros or Dollars. If I was earning that I woudl die happy. If you think 60k a year is too low for you. You might perhaps consider an alternative career.

EI-DAV, those salaries are credible enough for long serving pilots. However Ryanair will screw you big time before you ever get near those pay scales. The first six months, after you pay for your rating. You get paid money that even McDonalds would be ashamed of. But the majority of new Ryanair pilots are on Brookfield contracts. They are self employed and paid per hour. In effect they fly for Ryanair but they don't work for Ryanair. They are contractors.
>500 hours - 55 euro
>500 <1500 hours - 75 euro
>1500 hours - 80 euro

You can expect about 850 hours a years, From that you pay tax, PRSI. You don't get paid leave and if you don't fly for any reason you don't get paid. Oh and if they don't need you anymore you are out.

Do you really want to be a pilot?

I can't remember where I read it. It's 60k euros. That's alot of money...just thought it might be abit more that's all.

Even starting off at 55 euro an hour is good. That's 46K per year. (assuming doing 850 hours) Not bad at all really.

MCMLXXXIII

I think the $79,200 salary works out to be around €50,700. I guess it all depends on what you are used to.
I don't know much about the pay for flying a helicoptor, but I think it would also depend on how much you fly during those 6 "on" days. Also, how much does it cost to live in Trinidad or Tobago. I don't think the cost of living there is very high. You will still probably have your Irish taxes, but at least you won't have any in the Carabean. Plus, that number doesn't include the living allowances.
Just put it on the Worth-It-Scale, and see what you think.

workaccount

MCMLXXXIII wrote: »

I think the $79,200 salary works out to be around €50,700. I guess it all depends on what you are used to.
I don't know much about the pay for flying a helicoptor, but I think it would also depend on how much you fly during those 6 "on" days. Also, how much does it cost to live in Trinidad or Tobago. I don't think the cost of living there is very high. You will still probably have your Irish taxes, but at least you won't have any in the Carabean. Plus, that number doesn't include the living allowances.
Just put it on the Worth-It-Scale, and see what you think.

It's miles in the future (if I even decide to go with it). I am just trying to get a feel for jobs are out there.

One the main problems with my current job is the fact that it's just so boring. I'm not going to just leave it in a hurry though. I'm looking for something more exciting. There's not much out there that fits into that category. I've been in many jobs.

Yes, that would actually be 60K including living expenses. I always think of my salary here in Ireland as including my living expenses whether there paid for seperately or not it doesn't really matter.

jmayo

workaccount wrote: »

Well I've read before that it's a rewarding job. It's also so expensive to train. I have read also that you are supposed to be able to pay the money back reasonably quickly.

Out of interest why is flying a 777 or A380, 747 etc. a better paid job. What extra responsability do you have really? I know you could have twice as many people on board (even 8 times as many people!). It's not like you do anything different that makes it safer for 800 people than 100 people?

Those jets are not meant to be the hardest thing to fly either.

I think workaccount you may have over romanticised view of being a pilot.
Do you mind me asking what age bracket you are in?

I would guess flying 777 or A380, etc is better paid probably becuase you have more experience under your wings and been in the game that much longer, you have risen through the ranks, you do have more responsibility (a big difference between flying 350 plus passengers across an ocean and flying a bunch of 50 guys 20 miles off shore), you are most likely doing long hual flights that often involves time differences etc and thus it is not likely you are not returning to base every night.
Probably some of the reasons.

I have met pilots such as Air Tanker pilots, bush pilots, heli logging, air sea rescue, that are sometimes doing reasonaly long hours of very intensive flying, in very diffilcult weather conditions and they get paid shag all in comparison to BA 747 captain that has co-pilot and the aircraft probably on autopilot for lot of flight. The guys continue to do because it may be stepping stone or more often because they just love it.
By rights some of these guys should be paid a lot more becuase of the danger but this world is not always fair.

BTW AFAIK there is no commerical aircraft flying with 800 people on board, unless you manage to pack load of people onto C5 or An124. Jeeze could be O'Leary's next bright idea for long haul :rolleyes:

workaccount

jmayo wrote: »

I think workaccount you may have over romanticised view of being a pilot.
Do you mind me asking what age bracket you are in?

I would guess flying 777 or A380, etc is better paid probably becuase you have more experience under your wings and been in the game that much longer, you have risen through the ranks, you do have more responsibility (a big difference between flying 350 plus passengers across an ocean and flying a bunch of 50 guys 20 miles off shore), you are most likely doing long hual flights that often involves time differences etc and thus it is not likely you are not returning to base every night.
Probably some of the reasons.

I have met pilots such as Air Tanker pilots, bush pilots, heli logging, air sea rescue, that are sometimes doing reasonaly long hours of very intensive flying, in very diffilcult weather conditions and they get paid shag all in comparison to BA 747 captain that has co-pilot and the aircraft probably on autopilot for lot of flight. The guys continue to do because it may be stepping stone or more often because they just love it.
By rights some of these guys should be paid a lot more becuase of the danger but this world is not always fair.

BTW AFAIK there is no commerical aircraft flying with 800 people on board, unless you manage to pack load of people onto C5 or An124. Jeeze could be O'Leary's next bright idea for long haul :rolleyes:

Quoted from wikipedia "The new Airbus is sold in two models. The A380-800 was originally designed to carry 555 passengers in a three-class configuration[49] or 853 passengers (538 on the main deck and 315 on the upper deck) in a single-class economy configuration."



How have you drawn the conclusion that I have an over romanticized view?

jmayo

workaccount wrote: »

Quoted from wikipedia "The new Airbus is sold in two models. The A380-800 was originally designed to carry 555 passengers in a three-class configuration[49] or 853 passengers (538 on the main deck and 315 on the upper deck) in a single-class economy configuration."

Is the big one in service yet, which one is Singapore using ?
Have to say I do not want to be in aircraft with 800 odd (and someof them really are odd ) people :mad:
Imagine getting all those people off and then reloaded if delays.
What is the air quality like ?
It is bad enough stuffed into bloody 747. (yes they look great from outside but they are just another wide body piece of cr**inside).

workaccount wrote: »

How have you drawn the conclusion that I have an over romanticized view?

I may be totally wrong but I just get the feeling from your posts that you may believe it is some fantastic job with a fantastic salary and lifestyle.
Yes it is absolutely great to fly, especially IMHO in the non totally controlled world of airline jets, but it is a long very expensive process to get even on the bottom rungs of the airline industry ladder never mind to the stage where you are captain of a heavy long haul type.
I think you stumbled on something a while back when you asked about helis.
From my own limited flying hours in one, they are more fun to fly and they offer some very varied and challenging careers.
But, there is always a but, there are not the opportunities in this neck of the woods and they will never offer the salary the big airline jobs do.

workaccount

jmayo wrote: »

I may be totally wrong but I just get the feeling from your posts that you may believe it is some fantastic job with a fantastic salary and lifestyle.
Yes it is absolutely great to fly, especially IMHO in the non totally controlled world of airline jets, but it is a long very expensive process to get even on the bottom rungs of the airline industry ladder never mind to the stage where you are captain of a heavy long haul type.
I think you stumbled on something a while back when you asked about helis.
From my own limited flying hours in one, they are more fun to fly and they offer some very varied and challenging careers.
But, there is always a but, there are not the opportunities in this neck of the woods and they will never offer the salary the big airline jobs do.

I'm afraid I can't answer your questions regarding the A380.

You may be right though about an over romanticized view. It's hard to have a realistic take on something so different than what you have done before.

All I cans say is that I have always been fascinated by such things as long as I can remember....planes, helicopters, cars etc.

I worked as a mechanic for a while a few years ago and because of it I lost interest in cars for a few years. I'm a feckin' complicated person so it's very difficult for me to make such a decision like this. As I person I need to enjoy my work and see myself as making a difference or doing something directly important. I'm going to get a few lessons in a helicopter in the next few months. I'd doubt I'll still get a realistic take on it as a career from this though.

All I know is that I hate working in an office. I need something constantly happening around me to maintain interest in what I'm doing. I think a helicopter would provide this as if you lose concentration then your most likely dead!

I'm young so I would not mind the idea of travelling and working abroad either so that would not be an issue for me. As regards money....what good is a high paying job if you hate it?

Regarding money....I have been looking over the bristow training academy and it seems that you can get your UK CAA CPL(H) for 55 thousand dollars. That's only 35k including ppl. Where's the catch?????

http://www.heli.com/prospective-student/2-tuition-and-fees-JAA.php

electric69

schools gone ****.too many students, not enough aircraft,level of instruction for the jaa is gone ****. the 55k price doesnt include the cost of exams,licence skill test,ppl checkride,radio telephony test,etc. then the cost of living,car,etc etc.then if you want to fly off shore you will need to get the JAA IR which costs about 28k Sterling (36k euro) alone, that has to be done in a JAA state. And if you dont want to fly off-shore they arent the most advice friendly people either. they want students for their offshore flying in Aberdeen and if your not interested you can go jump as far as they are concerned. *rant over*

workaccount

electric69 wrote: »

schools gone ****.too many students, not enough aircraft,level of instruction for the jaa is gone ****. the 55k price doesnt include the cost of exams,licence skill test,ppl checkride,radio telephony test,etc. then the cost of living,car,etc etc.then if you want to fly off shore you will need to get the JAA IR which costs about 28k Sterling (36k euro) alone, that has to be done in a JAA state. And if you dont want to fly off-shore they arent the most advice friendly people either. they want students for their offshore flying in Aberdeen and if your not interested you can go jump as far as they are concerned. *rant over*

What are the total costs then including living expenses?
Would an offshore job in Aberdeen not be a great starting opportunity?

I wonder would it be possible to get a job flying for a while before you get your instrument rating?

cp251

I agree with jmayo. I think you have an over-romantised view of being a pilot. You are not unique in this. I too had an over-romantised view of being a pilot, and I suspect even jmayo might admit that too. But with one difference. I only ever wanted to fly. I spent a lot of time in the boring office job, it was purgatory. So naturally from all my reading of aviation books and as I learned to fly. I had a hopelessly romantic view of what it would be like when I finally got 'the job'. Now I do fly and it's great but it's just work and it gets routine, although sometimes, sweaty and scary. But routinely so! The pay is terrible and hours awful.

But all I ever wanted to do was fly, not be a pilot, just fly. I spoke to a former airline pilot recently, who does a lot of training, admin and sim work now. He told me how he got fed up with all the pressures and just took out a Cessna one eveing and flitted about the locality sightseeing at low level. He said he needed to remind himself sometimes that it was that the flying was reason he got into this in the first place.

So you need to look at your motives for wanting to be a pilot. Do you want to fly or just be a pilot? Because when the excitement wears off, all you'll have is the flying to enjoy. But if you were never motivated by that in the first place. You won't even have that.

Before you spend a fortune on training. Go and take a few lessons. Not one, a few. Get a feel for it. Do you really like it? I would suggest that to anyone considering learning to fly. Take a few lessons. I knew a girl once, who decided to learn to fly. She had a big build up to it. Got the money together, made great plans. Started off. Took a few lessons. But walked away. It just wasn't to her liking. Simple as that.

You don't have to be one of those idiots (me). Who wanted to fly since I was old enough to say 'airpane' to make a successful career as a pilot. Plenty of pilots did it because it seemed like a good career choice. There are plenty of Doctors like that too. But who would you prefer to go to? The Doctor who wanted to help cure people or the Doctor who wanted a career that would pay for his nice house, golf club fees and sometimes his aeroplane?

workaccount

cp251 wrote: »

I agree with jmayo. I think you have an over-romantised view of being a pilot. You are not unique in this. I too had an over-romantised view of being a pilot, and I suspect even jmayo might admit that too. But with one difference. I only ever wanted to fly. I spent a lot of time in the boring office job, it was purgatory. So naturally from all my reading of aviation books and as I learned to fly. I had a hopelessly romantic view of what it would be like when I finally got 'the job'. Now I do fly and it's great but it's just work and it gets routine, although sometimes, sweaty and scary. But routinely so! The pay is terrible and hours awful.

But all I ever wanted to do was fly, not be a pilot, just fly. I spoke to a former airline pilot recently, who does a lot of training, admin and sim work now. He told me how he got fed up with all the pressures and just took out a Cessna one eveing and flitted about the locality sightseeing at low level. He said he needed to remind himself sometimes that it was that the flying was reason he got into this in the first place.

So you need to look at your motives for wanting to be a pilot. Do you want to fly or just be a pilot? Because when the excitement wears off, all you'll have is the flying to enjoy. But if you were never motivated by that in the first place. You won't even have that.

Before you spend a fortune on training. Go and take a few lessons. Not one, a few. Get a feel for it. Do you really like it? I would suggest that to anyone considering learning to fly. Take a few lessons. I knew a girl once, who decided to learn to fly. She had a big build up to it. Got the money together, made great plans. Started off. Took a few lessons. But walked away. It just wasn't to her liking. Simple as that.

You don't have to be one of those idiots (me). Who wanted to fly since I was old enough to say 'airpane' to make a successful career as a pilot. Plenty of pilots did it because it seemed like a good career choice. There are plenty of Doctors like that too. But who would you prefer to go to? The Doctor who wanted to help cure people or the Doctor who wanted a career that would pay for his nice house, golf club fees and sometimes his aeroplane?

I don't really know if I want to fly tbh. I think at the moment I want to be a pilot. I don't really think that is a bad motivation though.

A digger doesn't necessarily dig because he loves digging. He may love the machine.

I'll be taking some lessons anyway and I'd hope I'd have a better idea then.

Aren't you a fixed wing pilot though? Can you really compare a helicopter pilot to fixed wing? (with all due respect this is a genuine question)

I have been reading over pprune forums today and yesterday and came across a guy who bought an R22 and rented it to a flight school. There was 800 hours before the overhaul or so. He sold it when there was only about 200 hours left and did not lose alot of money. The rental of the heli paid the insurance.

He reckons he flew about 150 hours in it which cost him 7k all in all. What a story!

cp251

A digger doesn't necessarily dig because he loves digging. He may love the machine.

Most I suspect just like the wages. Not a particularly apt comparsion.

Aren't you a fixed wing pilot though? Can you really compare a helicopter pilot to fixed wing? (with all due respect this is a genuine question)

It's all flying. Take a few flying lessons. You will have an entirely different perspective then. You might take a fonder view of your office job then when the realities become apparent.

workaccount

cp251 wrote: »

Most I suspect just like the wages. Not a particularly apt comparsion.



It's all flying. Take a few flying lessons. You will have an entirely different perspective then. You might take a fonder view of your office job then when the realities become apparent.

Ok I think I see what your saying. I'm probably just a little over enthusiastic. It's just a job at the end of the day and is much like any other job...sometimes you just don't want to be there....dealing with pressure...boring etc....dealing with people you don't like after so much enthusiasm.

It's probably just a case of weighing up the pro's and con's against an office job.

If I went in with all this enthusiasm I would probably end up ruining it for myself even if otherwise I could have stood a chance. I say this because there's probably no way a job could live up to all this enthusiasm. There's nothing there but a let down...a depression.

I did this with the current job I'm in I think. Instead of thinking about the realities. The grass always seems greener.

Flying a helicopter just seems like a dream life that's all.

jmayo

You are right cp251 to a degree. I always thought flying was cool but I have tried all sorts of stuff like gliding, ballooning, helis, paragliders, hanggliders, floatplanes etc.
I figured out years ago that I would never make it as a commerical airline pilot so stopped after doing ppl.
Also I had family reasons for not being able to travel so that ruled out going for the only types of flying jobs that would really interest me.
Also by the time I had the money to spend on flying I had grown accustomed to having that money and didn't fancy going back to being broke.

Workaround, your statement "I want to be a pilot" says a lot.
Have you flown in small aircraft at all ?
Try it out and see if you wouldn't mind spending hours and hours maybe flying in an ould cessna 152 or even a fidgity R22 doing your hour building.

Yes I think helis are cool, so are 172s on floats, but like cp251 says anything can become boring and just another job.
I have met guys flying smoke jumpers and bush pilots that fly in all sorts of crap weather that small aircraft pilots here would not throw the dog out in.
Some of them look at it as just a job while their customers often look at them as glorified pedantic (about weather and landing sites) bus drivers.
To me it is the most fantastic type of flying but it ain't all that glamourous flying into mining camp or inuit settlements in crap weather, dropping off supplies and picking up grumpy passengers who want to get to civilisation to get laid. You won't be driving a BMW or pulling too many gorgeous women when you smell of salmon or moosemeat, but your flying will beat the sh** out of the route between Dublin and Stanstead anyday.

Anyway try it, it might just make a great if somewhat expensive hobby.

electric69

workaccount wrote: »

What are the total costs then including living expenses?
Would an offshore job in Aberdeen not be a great starting opportunity?

I wonder would it be possible to get a job flying for a while before you get your instrument rating?

honestly i dont know how much and i dont really want to know. its a case of if u have to ask you cant afford it. its a lot! If you call looking at clouds and flying in terrible weather all day everyday fun then by all means go for it( i have no interest in flying offshore so im prob not the best person to ask about it!). the biggest difference between flying helicopters and fixed wing commercially is that helicopter pilots actually fly the aircraft as apposed to autopilot for 95% of the trip.it still does get repetitive but even more so if all you do everyday is look at a blank sky and endless water for 5 years! onshore flying in Ireland is pretty much impossible to get into at the moment with the way the market has gone is recent months. Far too many cowboys flying around with FAA ppl's and the likes. Cant wait for E.A.S.A to come in and kick them out!:pac:
That being said there are lots of jobs available all over the world.Its a case of building up contacts and knowing people who are already well established in the industry.There are amazing opportunities to travel all over the world and you are going to be paid enough to live comfortably.its not all doom and gloom but take one step at a time. your next target should be getting a lesson done.then the next target should be getting your PPL done and dont look any further than that. People rush into things to quickly and spend thousands top equipment and all the fancy things they can get their hands on when they dont even have a licence.its gonna cost you a lot so dont by unnecessary equipment until you are 100% sure its the job for u (ie dont buy a headset,gps,uniform,etc until you have at least a PPL)

When you get all 14 ATPL (H) exams you have 3years from the date of your final exam in which to complete you IR or else you will need to sit 4 of your ATPL exams again. You then have 7 years from when u recieve your IR to reach the minimum requirements for the ATPl (usually takes 2/3 years if your working fulltime). Unlike the fixed wing ATPL's the helicopter exams never actually run out so in 20 years down the line you decide to take the IR, you still only have to take the 4 exams.
Most people do their IR straight away after sitting the ATPL's as there is a huge demand for pilots offshore and they have an excellent chance of getting a job with only 200 hours.The lack of onshore jobs is also a contributing factor.
Feel free to pm me if you have any questions

workaccount

electric69 wrote: »

honestly i dont know how much and i dont really want to know. its a case of if u have to ask you cant afford it. its a lot! If you call looking at clouds and flying in terrible weather all day everyday fun then by all means go for it( i have no interest in flying offshore so im prob not the best person to ask about it!). the biggest difference between flying helicopters and fixed wing commercially is that helicopter pilots actually fly the aircraft as apposed to autopilot for 95% of the trip.it still does get repetitive but even more so if all you do everyday is look at a blank sky and endless water for 5 years! onshore flying in Ireland is pretty much impossible to get into at the moment with the way the market has gone is recent months. Far too many cowboys flying around with FAA ppl's and the likes. Cant wait for E.A.S.A to come in and kick them out!:pac:
That being said there are lots of jobs available all over the world.Its a case of building up contacts and knowing people who are already well established in the industry.There are amazing opportunities to travel all over the world and you are going to be paid enough to live comfortably.its not all doom and gloom but take one step at a time. your next target should be getting a lesson done.then the next target should be getting your PPL done and dont look any further than that. People rush into things to quickly and spend thousands top equipment and all the fancy things they can get their hands on when they dont even have a licence.its gonna cost you a lot so dont by unnecessary equipment until you are 100% sure its the job for u (ie dont buy a headset,gps,uniform,etc until you have at least a PPL)

When you get all 14 ATPL (H) exams you have 3years from the date of your final exam in which to complete you IR or else you will need to sit 4 of your ATPL exams again. You then have 7 years from when u recieve your IR to reach the minimum requirements for the ATPl (usually takes 2/3 years if your working fulltime). Unlike the fixed wing ATPL's the helicopter exams never actually run out so in 20 years down the line you decide to take the IR, you still only have to take the 4 exams.
Most people do their IR straight away after sitting the ATPL's as there is a huge demand for pilots offshore and they have an excellent chance of getting a job with only 200 hours.The lack of onshore jobs is also a contributing factor.
Feel free to pm me if you have any questions

Cheers for painting the picture to me the way you see it. May I ask how you got interested in flying?

electric69

its what i always wanted to do. I used to live to go to airshows and always wanted to buy and R.C helicopter when i was younger.Ive just always had a passion for flying and when i took an intro flight i got hooked! booked my PPL 4weeks later and had my licence within 5months of my intro flight.My intro flight was in Ireland and i did my PPL in the states.

workaccount

electric69 wrote: »

its what i always wanted to do. I used to live to go to airshows and always wanted to buy and R.C helicopter when i was younger.Ive just always had a passion for flying and when i took an intro flight i got hooked! booked my PPL 4weeks later and had my licence within 5months of my intro flight.My intro flight was in Ireland and i did my PPL in the states.

Ok and what would put you off an offshore job?

electric69

Too boring and im too young to be stuck in a 5 year contract really. I have contacts in places from Dubai to Camberra so it would be much more interesting for me to work onshore in places like these and get to see more than clouds and water all day! You get to meet some very interesting people flying onshore, not that im saying 15 scottish men who work on the platforms arent interesting!:p;)

tracker-man

jmayo wrote: »

I figured out years ago that I would never make it as a commerical airline pilot so stopped after doing ppl.

So were you doing it rather for the Airline Pilot job than the love of flying? I would imagine the love of aviation should come first, and the ambition to be an airline pilot second...?

Oilrig

"You may change your domocile, ie move to the Bahamas, however you do not lose your 'resident' status in this country. You will be chargable to Irish tax on your world wide income when you are ordinarily resident in this jurisdiction. In order to lose this ordinarily resident status you need to be non resident for three consecutive tax years."

Sorry Ronnie, have to disagree here.

You can establish out of state residency after one year, following that, you need min 184 days a year off shore to retain tax free status. There is a three year exile criteria but it can be achieved sooner

Domicile is loosely defined by Revenue as where you wish to be buried. Thus, you can be a non resident for tax purposes for decades yet still be deemed to be domiciled here. Proverbial can of worms...

Thats my advisor's speel anyway, no probs yet 10 yrs on.

As for the salary, supply & demand. They'll offer the minimum they have to in order to fill their seats, the amount will vary depending on location, type, contract conditions (six on - six off vs six on - three off etc) hard to compare like with like TBH.

giddyup

Going back to the original post - given what I'm guessing would be a lower overall cost of living in T&T the money seems decent enough for Heli pilots

Coincidentally I've been looking into this lately - the cost of acquiring a commercial heli licence is lower than that for fixed-wing so I guess that would go some way to explaining why heli pilots are paid less in general (duly noting that there are plenty of other reasons also and plenty of exceptions). Instruction in my neck of the woods is about $30k.

From the little bit of research I've done my conclusion was that flying helis would have to be something you were going to do primarily for the love of the job and not for making big bucks. You could make a decent living with enough experience behind you but won't be paying cash for the Porsche.

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giddyup wrote: »

Going back to the original post - given what I'm guessing would be a lower overall cost of living in T&T the money seems decent enough for Heli pilots

Coincidentally I've been looking into this lately - the cost of acquiring a commercial heli licence is lower than that for fixed-wing so I guess that would go some way to explaining why heli pilots are paid less in general (duly noting that there are plenty of other reasons also and plenty of exceptions). Instruction in my neck of the woods is about $30k.

From the little bit of research I've done my conclusion was that flying helis would have to be something you were going to do primarily for the love of the job and not for making big bucks. You could make a decent living with enough experience behind you but won't be paying cash for the Porsche.

As per another post. Yes...around 30K but without an instrument rating which you would need for alot of jobs. (I think). Is the IR just for flying at night?

Seriously though guys if you got yourself into a position of earning 60K a year that's great money and i'd imagine the cost of living somewhere like T&T would be tiny compared to rip off Ireland.

Most people don't earn anywhere near that I wouldn't have thought in Ireland. People are just comparing it to fixed wing.

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electric69 wrote: »

there is a huge demand for pilots offshore and they have an excellent chance of getting a job with only 200 hours.

Seriously? Can anyone else confirm this?

electric69

workaccount wrote: »

As per another post. Yes...around 30K but without an instrument rating which you would need for alot of jobs. (I think). Is the IR just for flying at night?

Seriously though guys if you got yourself into a position of earning 60K a year that's great money and i'd imagine the cost of living somewhere like T&T would be tiny compared to rip off Ireland.

no, you need the IR (instrument rating) to fly in instrument meteorogical conditions (IMC), all jobs such as offshore,search and rescue,etc require that you have an IR. and you dont need an IR to fly at night.
The starting off wage for flying off shore in Aberdeen is approx 48k sterling basic (64k euro).and it only goes higher and higher. lots of opportunities to earn extra cash if u have a parttime job for your days off.

And about the 200 hours yes thats a fact. i personally know a guy who had less than 200 hours when he started flying off shore with Bristow in Aberdeen last year, and that is not uncommon with the way things are at the moment.

jmayo

tracker-man wrote: »

So were you doing it rather for the Airline Pilot job than the love of flying? I would imagine the love of aviation should come first, and the ambition to be an airline pilot second...?

I love flying and have always loved aircraft, but I realised i did not want to be airline pilot but that does not mean I would not like to be comerical pilot of different sort. I have flown all sorts of things. I started in fixed wing then did gliders, some ballooning, tried hanggliders and paragliders (which is one of the cooloest ways of flying) and then after ppl did floats and helis.

If I was to be commerical pilot I would ideally like to work in Canada and then try to eventuially get a job with guys doing the firefighting work.
It is hard to get into requiring lots and lots of experience, but damm what other job, apart from military, allows you to do bombing runs.
One guy I know spends Canada springs/summers working as air tanker pilot trying to stop forest fires and then spends the winters flying honeymooners on floats down in Sychelles.
Now that is a real flying career.

As electric69 says people should try it out first and see if they really like it.
Then do the ppl and after that see if you want to continue and if your circumstances allow it.
When he says offshore he might mean the Gulf rather than the North Sea ?

Electric69 are you based at HAI by any chance ?

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electric69 wrote: »

The starting off wage for flying off shore in Aberdeen is approx 48k sterling basic (64k euro).and it only goes higher and higher. lots of opportunities to earn extra cash if u have a parttime job for your days off.

And about the 200 hours yes thats a fact. i personally know a guy who had less than 200 hours when he started flying off shore with Bristow in Aberdeen last year, and that is not uncommon with the way things are at the moment.

If this is the case I wonder why so many people over on pprune say that flying helicopters is poorly paid.
I'm sure it is some places but they seem to be ignoring the facts that it's not always the case.


Lucky guy that got into Aberdeen. I'd imagine there can't be all that many openings and competition would be high??
What kind of heli is he flying? Did he graduate from bristow academy? By the way I wonder how what's going to happen to all the heli jobs given the situation with oil at the moment.


Salary is from 32K euro + here. http://www.bristowgroup.com/careers/helicopter_pilot.pdf
That's not great. (You wouldn't starve either though - cost of living would be much much cheaper there too)
Are they just looking for someone with low hours or something?

electric69

The offshore i am refering to is the North sea. You dont need as many hours when you have a JAA licence from Bristow as the level of training is recognised as being of a very high standard. If you want to fly in the gulf, you do need 1000 hours, but then u dont have to worry about spending 28k sterling on an IR rating. I dont think its fair to compare the pay from the gulf with pay on the North sea.You have to take into consideration the cost of living in the states compared to Ireland and the Uk.So really the pay scale that you posted in the link is pretty nice to be starting at considering its taken you less than 1 year to get all your licences and jump straight into a job. I certainly dont know of any other professions that allow you to earn that much money annually after only 1 year of training?

They are looking for about 70 pilots in Bristow alone in Aberdeen (that was the accurate figure in April) and the demand for pilots certainly isnt going to decrease. The guy with the <200 hours was a Bristow graduate and i know that there have been another 3guys who also got jobs there last month with <200 hours, all Bristow graduates.

Oilrig

Electric, you say you don't need an IR to fly at night, can you elaborate on that? Surely darkness is IMC?

As for the poster that reckoned six months water bombing and six months in the Carrib. was a good life... try it with a house, wife & family.

AIDS... Aviation Induced Divorce Syndrome.

BostonB

There are many jobs with are poorly paid with poor conditions until you've a good many years under your belt. I don't see why aviation is any different. Why not be poorly paid in a job you like then a job you don't like. Being a pilot has more potential in the long run to leave you better off. Ok fair enough its a particular lifestyle, but you either like that or you don't. So are many jobs that are not 9-5. As someone with a good few commercial pilots as friends I think they complain a lot about very little, they'd have more to complain about in a 9-5 job. I know a couple of them who have looked at leaving because they thought they'd be better off out of aviation. After a few interviews I think they've realised how good they have it.

Thats not to say its a not gamble starting out. You could end up spending a large fortune only to wash out, fail a medical, or never get a command or a Airline job. But there's risk in doing anything. Not that flying for an airline is the be all of everything. But that's what this thread is about.

jmayo

Oilrig wrote: »

Electric, you say you don't need an IR to fly at night, can you elaborate on that? Surely darkness is IMC?

As for the poster that reckoned six months water bombing and six months in the Carrib. was a good life... try it with a house, wife & family.

AIDS... Aviation Induced Divorce Syndrome.

You could fly at night over build up areas (as a lot of pilots with basic night rating on ppl do over the major cities). The problem arises when they fly out over countryside or over sea.

BTW the Seychelles are not in the Carribean, they are in the Indian Ocean.
His marriage was over and his kids were grown up.
Next time I talk to him i will ask him if it was AIDS

Did I ever say that life would be suitable for married guy with kids ? NO

rav1410

Interesting thread.

Its over a year ago now since you started this thread, so did you go for it workaccount?

workaccount

rav1410 wrote: »

Interesting thread.

Its over a year ago now since you started this thread, so did you go for it workaccount?

afraid this thread is only a few weeks old. About 3 or 4 weeks only.

rav1410

workaccount wrote: »

afraid this thread is only a few weeks old. About 3 or 4 weeks only.

:o

Im sorry I dont know what I was looking at when I posted that

Sizzler

So does anybody have any idea what Irish airlines generally offer for 1st officers & captains? Just curious

cp251

http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com

There are salary scales for all the Irish Airlines.

*Kol*

Sizzler wrote: »

So does anybody have any idea what Irish airlines generally offer for 1st officers & captains? Just curious

Look in the back of Flight International. As far as i remember Ryanair were looking for pilots and were offering €100k plus. That's more like it. (experience required obviously)

cp251

Don't get carried away with that idea Kol. While there are Captains who earn 100k. Not everyone does and there is pressure on those salaries. Plus many pilots are on 'Brookfield' contracts where they are paid by the hour. They are in effect self employed.

skybus

I believe the starting sarlary for a new pilot year 1 in Aer Lingus is a basic of just over 60k. With sector pay, performance pay and pension contributions it would bring your renumeration up to 90k+ in your first year. The figures given on the website ppjn.com are accurate.

Top end for captains, i.e in the company 25 years is a basic of nearly 210k. Pension contributions and sector, performance pay give a normal line captain a renumeration of over around 292k per annum.

Obvioulsy if you are involved in training etc this is higher.

From a salary perspective they are still one of the best paying airlines in Europe. Whether it will last or not is a different matter. The opening of a new base in Belfast was the first attack on these salaries. The benefits and pay are not the same as those based in Dublin or Cork. With the opening of new bases in the future you will not see these types of salaries being paid to new joiners.

Aviation is changing. For people getting into training, the costs are now higher. The days when some were fortunate to have their training sponsored by an airline are well and truly gone. People joining many airlines now have to pay for type rating costs. Salaries are being driven down. It takes a lot of personal investment to get yourself a decent paid job and to put it in perspective Aer Lingus have only recruited just over 100 pilots in the past 10 years. I have no doubt that the number of jobs versus the number of applicants for example in British Airways would be in the region of maybe 60 -1.

At the present time I think people would be mad to start training. There will be a collapse of some airlines over the next couple of years and what that will bring is a surplus of qualified experienced pilots onto the market. From a training point of view these will be snapped up by the remaining airlines as it will immediately reduce their annual training budget. It leaves the newly qualified person by the wayside.

However aviation like every other business has it's ups and downs. It will come good again, it's said that it's usually in 7 years cycles. It will get worse before it gets better.

BostonB

What other jobs would pay on a similar scale?

*Kol*

cp251 wrote: »

Don't get carried away with that idea Kol. While there are Captains who earn 100k. Not everyone does and there is pressure on those salaries. Plus many pilots are on 'Brookfield' contracts where they are paid by the hour. They are in effect self employed.

Carried away? I am just said that they were advertising for experienced captains and first officers for that money.

Sizzler

BostonB wrote: »

What other jobs would pay on a similar scale?

Accountancy / Sales / Legal Profession / Vet / Medicine / Stockbroking.

BostonB

Sizzler wrote: »

Accountancy / Sales / Legal Profession / Vet / Medicine / Stockbroking.

I was thinking it was starting salary for first officers starting out.