S4E08. Sine Qua Non. (the one where Baltar dies). Opinions?

DeVore

Ok, sorry about the title but its 1.30pm and I'm in a funny mood (obviously I'm lying out my ass for comic effect... )













Anyway, What did you all think?
I'll give my opinion in detail below but I thought it was an ok, necessary episode, though I felt a bit like they knew they have everyone on edge after the basestar jumped away and this episode was designed to stretch that out for another week....

DeV.

ceejay

So, do we need to add head-cat to the list of head-Baltar and head-6?

I thought this wasn't as good as the previous episode (just watched them back to back), and it was clear early on (to me anyway) who would end up as president.

Adama & Tigh's fight was pretty well done, and I laughed out loud at Tigh's reaction to Adama's comments as he was handing over the reins - "you're not the man you used to be" LOL I wonder what Tigh's going to do next? He seems pretty determined to ensure that the Deanas aren't unboxed - but he'd need to find them first.

I have to say the scenes with Caprica 6 in the brig where she turns into Ellen freak me out, and Doc Cottle's revelation about her was totally out of left field! Has Baltar spent any time with her alone?

I have to say I miss head-6, and I think Baltar has become less interesting now he's found God. I think he no longer sees her because he has accepted what he is - God's instrument. He actually is a believer now, and doesn't need her to tell him what to do. As far as I can remember the last time we saw her was when he was making the speech about everyone being perfect, and she was standing beside Tori, and then she looked over at Tori - not sure why or what it means.

I think there's a theme about self-acceptance running through some of the episodes, like how Tori has accepted who and what she is, while the other three are still coming to terms with it. Tyrrel and Anders seem to be making some progress, while Tigh, well his acceptance is maybe more to do with the whole pain thing with Caprica 6 in the brig maybe? I dunno

Anyway, roll on next week!

Ciarán.

Goodshape

Three cheers for SkyOne airing first. I don't own a TV, but this 350mb version is much much better than usual (and it's usually not too bad at all).

I'll be back in 40mins with my thoughts

btw - who said "previously, on BSG" this week? didn't recognise the voice.

DeVore

If Brig-6 is pregnant, and Tigh is the only one who has been near her since she was captured, then doesnt that mean Tigh *CANT* be a cylon and thus not one of the last 4 (as I've been saying ).

Also, there was a time when the human/cylon hybrid baby was special, now we have what... three of them?? Seems like anyone can knock up a cylon

I thought Lee was so obvious for Prez that I actually thought Romo was joking when he suggested a list...

In any other series an episode where Adama gives up command, a cylon gets pregnant, and Lee becomes prez would be a "wtf, zomg!?" episode but this did feel like they were trying to get through the storyline as quickly as possible and get on to the cool stuff that is coming (I hope). That said, I liked the way they tied up things I just feel like they knew we were all waiting for the basestar story and so spun that anticipation out for another week...


DeV.

Goodshape

ceejay wrote: »

So, do we need to add head-cat to the list of head-Baltar and head-6?

I read that line before watching the episode and I thought you meant this Kat. Thank the Lords of Kobol I was wrong

I enjoyed this episode.. but... was it just me, or did it seem awfully paced and just generally and uncharacteristically badly put together?

Adama and Teigh's little scuffle was thoroughly unconvincing -- punches that didn't come close to connecting and proper head-down / "I'm not a stunt double, promise!" sort of stuff. Just badly directed and shot scene. Much like the rest of the episode. Noticed more than a couple of out-of-sync cuts, like someone smirking one moment then frowning the next.

Don't think I've ever had to complain about production values on BSG before :-/

And as much as I enjoyed Lampkin last season, they brought him back here for what? So they could drag out a totally forgone conclusion for 40minutes? Ugh.

It's a pity because I usually like the character driven episodes - and interesting things certainly did happen this week - but it just felt like a sub-par production.

Still though... 'Husker' out on his own, President Lee Adama, Teigh in charge of Galactica, Six carrying his child, Roslin, Baltar and the rest out there 'somewhere'... all makes for interesting times (so why the frack waste an episode on Lampkin?!).



Only two episodes left before the break?

Johnny Storm

IMHO quite a disappointing ep. I was always impressed with the way BSG characters behaved in a consistent believeable way. But either the writers have given up on this or I am just not getting it anymore. Having paid close attention to the show I still have zero idea why Rollo pulled a gun on Lee. (And BTW could Lee get any more smarmy?). Also Adama Snr giving up his position for any reason short of being dead is WAY out of character, IMHO.

Maybe the Cylons have discovered parenthogenesis? I mean does anyone really think he and Six did the business in the prison cell (:()?

Anyway lets see Tigh kickin' ass in the next few eps. And if Tigh really is a Cylon then I may have to reconsider my allegiance to the so-called human race.

RAIN

Lampkin blows goats,seriously i hate the guy ! The whole Lee being president thing could have been wrapped up in 5 mins instead they are making lee into one of the most unlikable Charecters in the series.Hes a pretentious little do gooder !Pain cus i really liked him in the first 2 seasons.

It was a great ending to the episode but it was like the writers said ''ok this is whats going to happen in the 10th episode ,we need to move the pieces into place'' and then shoe horned all the pieces into place. It didnt really make sense that Lee has ended up where he is i mean the president is only gone a few days !!! A little unconvincing for an episode of battlestar but was saved by ''Husker'' and Teigh.

Khannie

Dude....I hope that thread title's not a spoiler.

edit: I haven't read any of the rest of the thread.

kevmy

Johnny Storm wrote: »

IMHO quite a disappointing ep. I was always impressed with the way BSG characters behaved in a consistent believeable way. But either the writers have given up on this or I am just not getting it anymore. Having paid close attention to the show I still have zero idea why Rollo pulled a gun on Lee. (And BTW could Lee get any more smarmy?). Also Adama Snr giving up his position for any reason short of being dead is WAY out of character, IMHO.

Ok so i've been thinking about this one since last night when I posted on the other thread. In that I said wtf was with Lampkin, then somebody else suggested that he pulled the gun to convince Lee to do the job. Which would be much more in line with Lampkin and his stunts, as Lee seemed totally against taking the job earlier on despite as Lampkin himself says the obviousness of it all.
As for Adama Sr. he was acting out of character in abandoning the fleet a season ago he would have given up the Basestar for dead and moved on. But the problem is he's fallen in love and now feels obliged to wait for Roslin.

Johnny Storm wrote: »

Maybe the Cylons have discovered parenthogenesis? I mean does anyone really think he and Six did the business in the prison cell (:()?

Anyway lets see Tigh kickin' ass in the next few eps. And if Tigh really is a Cylon then I may have to reconsider my allegiance to the so-called human race.

As for Tigh knocking up 6. Well I don't know about that it seems a little unlikely to say the least. But here's something that just popped into my head what if the point of the 5 is to get the humans and Cylons to come tigether through reproducing. We've already seen Tyrol have a kid and what if maybe, just maybe, Helo is the Final Cylon and Hera is a bit more than half Cylon.

RAIN wrote: »

Lampkin blows goats,seriously i hate the guy ! The whole Lee being president thing could have been wrapped up in 5 mins instead they are making lee into one of the most unlikable Charecters in the series.Hes a pretentious little do gooder !Pain cus i really liked him in the first 2 seasons.

It was a great ending to the episode but it was like the writers said ''ok this is whats going to happen in the 10th episode ,we need to move the pieces into place'' and then shoe horned all the pieces into place. It didnt really make sense that Lee has ended up where he is i mean the president is only gone a few days !!! A little unconvincing for an episode of battlestar but was saved by ''Husker'' and Teigh.

Yeah I thought the pacing in this episode was definitely off. As regards Lee he's always been the moral compass of the show. He will almost always do what is morally right instead of what has to be done. It's not today or yesterday his character done this. If you think about it Baltar's trial, the attempted mutiny by Adama sr., helping to legitimise Roslin as President in the miniseries etc.
Also it was mentioned that the Quorum has the power to install a interim President. I presume if Roslin returns she will get back the Presidency, if she doesn't come back before election time then she's gone.

ceejay

DeVore wrote: »

If Brig-6 is pregnant, and Tigh is the only one who has been near her since she was captured, then doesnt that mean Tigh *CANT* be a cylon and thus not one of the last 4 (as I've been saying ).

Has it been stated previously that the Cylons can't reproduce between themselves? Also, even if that were true for the regular skinjobs, maybe it doesn't apply to the final five - Tyrrel had a child too.

On a different note, it struck me that Zarek could be the final cylon because the actor was in the original series, and "all this has happened before"

Ciarán.

Stark

Their previous attempts to breed with humans failed because for some reason, they needed humans to have sex with them voluntarily. Forced breeding didn't work. Following from that, it may be the case that if the regular skinjobs could fall for each other, then they could interbreed. The only candidates for this would be Boomer and that Cavil as every other skinjob is operating according to their original programmings so if they haven't felt like shacking up so far, they're not going to now. Of course, the Final Five are also different cylons, so perhaps the breeding restrictions don't apply to them. Another reason for the 7 skinjobs to be anxious to find them.

Sherifu

I was ready to lynch the thread starter...

I'll watch it this evening hopefully. Hurray for Sky one.

Stark

What's the betting that dog ends up in little pieces inside a suitcase?

Gambler

I was talking about the Cylon on Cylon breeding last night and I see no reason why they can't (it's never been said that they tried and failed to breed with each other)

What I think is more likely is that they've never bothered to try\wanted to. If they want another cylon they just make one, no need to bump uglys for that.

bus77

Gambler wrote: »

I was talking about the Cylon on Cylon breeding last night and I see no reason why they can't (it's never been said that they tried and failed to breed with each other)

Maybe it was just frowned upon by the base-star models because they liked the idea of living forever better.

Stark wrote: »

What's the betting that dog ends up in little pieces inside a suitcase?

I really wouldn't have given him that dog. Come to think of it, some sort of psychologist/counselor is badly, badly needed on that fleet.

jasonbourme.cs

maybe the final five aren't fully cylon but actually human cylon hybrids similar to hera , it could explain why the other rejected them ?

deciaeon

Good episode, I was hoping for a big space battle as I like the spacey ones.

Stark

jasonbourme.cs wrote: »

maybe the final five aren't fully cylon but actually human cylon hybrids similar to hera , it could explain why the other rejected them ?

They are "fundamentally different models" according to RDM. However, I don't think they're hybrids, as that goes against the concept of 12 and only 12 models. If hybrids could be included in the cylon model count, then Hera and Nicholas Tyrol would bring the total number of cylon models up to 14. (Or 15 with Tighe's/Caprica Six's baby).

nhughes100

It was ok, I don't buy that Lee was the only acceptable candidate for President, talk about only being in the job a wet week. The fight with Tigh was good, I was actually annoyed that they broke Adama's ship ;-). A decent filler episode that advanced a few things nicely.

Reverend Paul

Does anyone know if Tigh has been promoted to Admiral in Adama's absence? He removed his rank insignia thingies and gave them to Tigh before he left.

Also, Dee is presumably the new XO in Helo's absence. I'll give them two weeks before they fall apart!!

Stark

By rights, he should only be promoted to Commander. Adama only got the promotion to Admiral because he took Pegasus under his command.

Dr. Baltar

Very interesting episode. Like the OP said, there wasn't a lot of action, but the episode was very necessary. I love Col. Tigh. In fact, he's one of my favourite characters. "Admiral Saul Tigh" just has a lovely ring to it.

Also, I have to agree: I loved Tigh's reaction to the "you've learned things about yourself" line.

Now, for me, the big question is this: How the frak is six preggers if Tigh is a cylon?

Perhaps:

a) Someone else fracked her
b) She was pregnant before arriving
c) Tigh is not a cylon
d) The final five are half-cylons or something like that

The next episode is entitled "The Hub" which means we are guaranteed some action. I can't wait!

Stark

Sir Baralot wrote: »

Perhaps:

a) Someone else fracked her
b) She was pregnant before arriving
c) Tigh is not a cylon
d) The final five are half-cylons or something like that

RDM has stated that the final five are "fundamentally different cylons".

kevmy

nhughes100 wrote: »

It was ok, I don't buy that Lee was the only acceptable candidate for President, talk about only being in the job a wet week.

Well I think it was more to do with personalities and politics rather than qualified or acceptable candidates. There was 47 people on the list but obviously either the military or the Quorum wouldn't accept any of them without an election. I would say if there was an election it would be a different matter.

Sir Baralot wrote: »

Now, for me, the big question is this: How the frak is six preggers if Tigh is a cylon?

Perhaps:

a) Someone else fracked her
b) She was pregnant before arriving
c) Tigh is not a cylon
d) The final five are half-cylons or something like that

The next episode is entitled "The Hub" which means we are guaranteed some action. I can't wait!

I would say of those 4 options a and d are likely and b is very unlikely as Doc Cottle said he did another check up on the prisoner I would assume he wouldn't have missed something like that earlier.

tvnutz

Perhaps it was because this was my first time watching an episode of BSG on tv with ads,but I thought it was the worst episode of the show I have seen. after last week's nail biting stuff this was just boring. I know everything doesn't have to be action scenes and space battles,but there can be a balance of it and character driven arcs. Not all of the one. That was the problem with a lof of season 3.

Ill watch it again when I get the non-ads version,because its possible the ads just fragmented it for me and made it feel so slow and boring. I hate Lampkin for a start,there was so need to bring him back,and the thing with his cat was ridiculous. Lee has become a far less interesting character since he went into politics,so I don't care about anything involving him.

Tigh knocking up the 6 (we assume anyway),that was probably the only interesting thing of the episode.

Ill watch it again but after watching it last night I felt it was the worst episode of the show I have seen,even more so since I have been rewatching seasons 1 and 2 over the past week.

TerrorFirmer

Terrible episode, made even worse by the fact the preceding two were so good. Very disappointed. Was pissed when I read the thread title on the front page though.

ixoy

Very poor and lacked any real tension - was there surprise whatsover when Apollo get elected? I'm surprised nobody objected on the grounds that:

1) It put the whole power of the bloody fleet in the hands of the Adams - and they thought it was like a dictatorship before?
2) More important - Lee is boring

And Ghost Cat? Bah! We could have condensed this whole episode into a ten minute scene instead of the tedium we did get.

microgirl

Gambler wrote: »

I was talking about the Cylon on Cylon breeding last night and I see no reason why they can't (it's never been said that they tried and failed to breed with each other)

What I think is more likely is that they've never bothered to try\wanted to. If they want another cylon they just make one, no need to bump uglys for that.

It was kind of strongly implied in Revealed (or whatever it was called). Or at least it was said outright that they were trying to breed with the humans and to do that they needed humans to love them, but accidentally discovered the danger of that is that they then end up loving them.

So basically, interacting with the humans taught them to love, and love is necessary for breeding (or something)

The Four have been interacting with and as humans forever, so are already capable of love, so therefore capable of breeding.

Or that's how it seems to me.

Praetorian

ixoy wrote: »

Very poor and lacked any real tension - was there surprise whatsover when Apollo get elected? I'm surprised nobody objected on the grounds that:

1) It put the whole power of the bloody fleet in the hands of the Adams - and they thought it was like a dictatorship before?
2) More important - Lee is boring

And Ghost Cat? Bah! We could have condensed this whole episode into a ten minute scene instead of the tedium we did get.

For lack of any original thoughts of my own, I completely agree with Ixoy. :pac:

fguihen

microgirl...I really like your theory! there are a few holes, but this could have a chance of being played out.

Great episode. totally necessary.you want explosions, big guns, robots and all that Arnold Schwarzenegger stuff watch terminator or get a video game. This episode delivered some great charachter development.

What Adama (Bill) did showed a huge change in the charachter, but one that we were expecting, and it was great to see it finally happen.

Lampkin is always welcome in an episode, he adds something, i dont know what. he almost knows too much at times.

Saul is stepping up, he seems to have grown as an individual adn its the place for him. also as far as we know, the fleet is now Commanded by a Cylon!

I admit, the Lee storyline was totally expected, but they had to play it out sometime, and this was a good episode to do so.

And, the prophecies say that they will be led to earth by a dying leader. who's to say that Lee wont succum to some nasty fate or gets shot just in sight of earth or something. Roslin is an obvious target of this prophecy but theres every chance it wont be her.

I dont know how two cylons can have a kid, and we really need more info on what exactly the final 5 actually are before i can theorise on this. all my current ideas are mere speculation.

Who thinks the leader 6 ressurected? hasnt the bright flash before a cylons eyes been seen before ( im not sure in which episode so i need help here)?



Next week i just1 thing cleared up for me to be happy though:
1. Anders was on a basestar, why didnt he bump into a centurion(as they are everywhere on baseship's) and shouldnt the centurion recognise him for what he is as the raider did? remember raiders and centurions are on the same side.

Khannie

Most boring episode I've seen in ages. Really hated that desperately contrived bulls**t with the oirish leprechaun about making Lee president. Horrific. Honestly, I haven't seen a worse episode since that poxy "black market" one. The only thing that saved it were the side stories.

Stark

fguihen wrote:

Great episode. totally necessary.you want explosions, big guns, robots and all that Arnold Schwarzenegger stuff watch terminator or get a video game. This episode delivered some great charachter development.

What a pity it couldn't do so in an interesting manner.

fguihen wrote:

Lampkin is always welcome in an episode, he adds something, i dont know what.

The luck o' the Oirish? The gift of the gab?

fguihen wrote:

I admit, the Lee storyline was totally expected, but they had to play it out sometime, and this was a good episode to do so.

No they didn't. There's absolutely no reason whatsover to make Lee the President. It's a contrived plot piece and totally unnatural character development. It's like some fanboy had a flash of "hey, wouldn't it be cool if?" and then threw sense to the wind in making it happen.

fguihen wrote:

And, the prophecies say that they will be led to earth by a dying leader. who's to say that Lee wont succum to some nasty fate or gets shot just in sight of earth or something. Roslin is an obvious target of this prophecy but theres every chance it wont be her.

And throw away 3 years of development with Roslin and Kara in favour of Lee taking a look out a window and shouting "Hey,it's over here!"?

fguihen

Stark, so you didnt enjoy the episode. I did. im not going to disect your post. these are all opinions, not facts. lighten up. if it bothers you that much you really shouldnt watch the show. go chill out.

Stark

You gave your opinion, I gave mine.

fguihen wrote:

if it bothers you that much you really shouldnt watch the show.

It's perfectly normal for people not to enjoy every single episode of their favourite shows. Just because I disliked a few episodes doesn't mean I'm going to give up on the entire season. Although I wish I knew how the latter half of Season 3 was going to be before I wasted time watching it

fguihen

i didnt criticize yours.

Stark

It's a discussion forum. People are as much entitled to disagree with your opinion as you are to post it.

fguihen

cool, great:, in that case

Stark wrote: »

What a pity it couldn't do so in an interesting manner.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fguihen

Great episode. totally necessary.you want explosions, big guns, robots and all that Arnold Schwarzenegger stuff watch terminator or get a video game. This episode delivered some great charachter development.

What a pity it couldn't do so in an interesting manner.

Um...yes they did do it in an interesting manner. I found it immesurably interesting. cant you see changes in Tigh, Adama and the captured 6 to name but a few charachters. its great to see some development here. sure i like shiny ships and big explosions but only to help move the story on, not to be the highlight of a series. the main aspect besides the story of a series should be the charachters.

The luck o' the Oirish? The gift of the gab?

this guy is an expert on people, behavior. he can figure someone or groups out very quickly. he was the best choice to help find a replacement and nothing he does is fluke. he knew, even if subconsciously that lee was the correct man. the scene with the gun to convince Lee was terriffic, especially when he basically tells by saying "swear it" , that he contrived the idea of getting lee at gunpoint just to get his honest answer. and he is totally right about lee. Lee weather hes awre of it or not, takes the difficult road always and always to put him in a place to make a difference. the challenge now is not to let his ego get the better of him. let democracy reign and not become a bit of a dictator like Roslin.

And throw away 3 years of development with Roslin and Kara in favour of Lee taking a look out a window and shouting "Hey,it's over here!"?

sure when you say it like that it sounds terrible, but i never said to throw away any development, i just said it was an idea. anyway, there is no way they will hope we forget all that charachter and story development. its not that kind of tv show


what do you want?? 5 episodes where we learn the charachters names, we learn one guys a hard ass, one guys like the daddy, one guys the renegade, one guys the hero and they have battles with shiny robots and find earth and celebrate...the end?? yea, great show. you should totally write for this series. it would be much better.

Praetorian

Keep it civil people.

DeVore

Sir Baralot wrote: »

Very interesting episode. Like the OP said, there wasn't a lot of action, but the episode was very necessary. I love Col. Tigh. In fact, he's one of my favourite characters. "Admiral Saul Tigh" just has a lovely ring to it.

Also, I have to agree: I loved Tigh's reaction to the "you've learned things about yourself" line.

Now, for me, the big question is this: How the frak is six preggers if Tigh is a cylon?

Perhaps:

a) Someone else fracked her
b) She was pregnant before arriving
c) Tigh is not a cylon
d) The final five are half-cylons or something like that

The next episode is entitled "The Hub" which means we are guaranteed some action. I can't wait!

Tigh obviously has been "popping the toast in the toaster" so to speak.

I dont think Cottle would have missed it before and I dont think the final 5 can have kids with humans, or else we would have tons of hybrids running around (given that Saul Tigh at his age is still randy enough to hop a robot, I'd say he's been around the block with a few other ladies!)

So, I'm still plugging the "Tigh isnt one of the 4" line.

I'd also like to point out that the opening credits say "7 are known, 4 live in secret, 1 will be revealed". Thats a pretty non-committal line to be fair!

DeV.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

to be fair to tigh, it's not that he's so randy it's that the robot is ****ing with his head. well something is anyway, if he wasn't seeing and hearing ellen talking when he was with six, he wouldn't have done it.. or at the very least would have worn a condom.

Talisman

"Saul, do you love me?"

DeVore

To be honest (and blunt) I'd be more likely to "do" her if she STOPPED turning into Ellen. She's a bit GMILFtastic for my liking ...

6 on the other hand.... I could do unspeakable things to her!

DeV.

duridian

DeVore wrote: »

Tigh obviously has been "popping the toast in the toaster" so to speak.

I dont think Cottle would have missed it before and I dont think the final 5 can have kids with humans, or else we would have tons of hybrids running around (given that Saul Tigh at his age is still randy enough to hop a robot, I'd say he's been around the block with a few other ladies!)

So, I'm still plugging the "Tigh isnt one of the 4" line.

I'd also like to point out that the opening credits say "7 are known, 4 live in secret, 1 will be revealed". Thats a pretty non-committal line to be fair!

DeV.

I dunno Dev, the thing where Tigh keeps seeing Ellen when he looks at the Six in the brig looks suspiciously like that "projecting" thing we know cylons can do.
Also, I think maybe to remind us of this, near the start they showed us that the fatally wounded Natalie Six was projecting in her final moment. Just very briefly after Cottle took her hand, her point of view shows she is looking at the operating theatre as a green forest canopy. The cylon psyche can mould what they see into what they wish to see. Natalie obviously didn't want to spend her last moment in the sickbay of a Battlestar, Tigh it seems pines for Ellen, so they project accordingly.
I may be wrong but I can't remember cylon projection being brought up in this way since the idea was first introduced around the 6th episode of season 3, while Baltar was a pariah in the aftermath of New Caprica and living among the cylons.

mewso

When I read threads about episodes of tv shows there will always be silly musings about various things. The idea that Lee might be the dying leader? Seriously think about it. I'm no writer but I'm willing to put a big wad of cash up right now that Roslin will be back. Anyone think she won't. Where do these speculations come from?

Lampkin - I think his dialogue is excellent and I like the character but unfortunately it was serving little purpose. I really thought the gun thing was contrived by him to convince Lee but it didn't make it clear either way. Lee giving him the dog suggests his "act" of suffering was genuine. The whole big reveal of what he had written on the board. Never saw that coming - yeah right. I sometimes think RDM has got Shymalayan syndrome. i.e. the wow factor of the season 1 cliffhanger has convinced him they have to produce surprise wow moments on a regular basis even when I could have had the "Lee Adama for President" t-shirts printed yesterday.

On who is or isn't a Cylon skinjob. The intro now declares these 4 characters as being Cylons and I just can't believe thats not true. My question about skinjobs is more what makes any of them not human? There are no circuits in there or Baltar wouldn't have spent 50 episodes working on a detector and when he did it was some kind of subtle difference in the blood if I recall correctly. So is that it? As far as I can tell they are humans who believe they are Cylons.

The upshot of this episode for me was, as many have already said, that it seemed very rushed. Like they were looking for a new pres 10 seconds after the base ship jumped. Baltar didn't die but hey maybe the whole human fleet is someones head fleet.

Stark

musician wrote:

There are no circuits in there or Baltar wouldn't have spent 50 episodes working on a detector and when he did it some kind of difference in the blood if I recall correctly. So is that it.

Well the 7 original cylons did have "silica pathways" (whatever those were) and various bits of circuitry in their arms and hands for interfacing with computers. Baltar probably didn't experiment with this because they didn't want to be cutting up humans to test if they were cylons or not. As far as I recall, Baltar used what they knew of the cylons' reactions to radiation on that station in the miniseries to build the detector, hence the use of the plutonium. It was the only thing they knew about the cylons at the time, so the most obvious place to start.

mewso

Stark wrote: »

Well the 7 original cylons did have "silica pathways" (whatever those were) and various bits of circuitry in their arms and hands for interfacing with computers. Baltar probably didn't experiment with this because they didn't want to be cutting up humans to test if they were cylons or not. As far as I recall, Baltar used what they knew of the cylons' reactions to radiation on that station in the miniseries to build the detector, hence the use of the plutonium. It was the only thing they knew about the cylons at the time, so the most obvious place to start.

Pretty sure it was their blood's reaction to radiation but I could be wrong. Are we to believe a silica pathway (as you say whatever they are) or a circuit in the arm won't show up in a scan. Now Baltar could have been bull****ting them about his method but if he was I think he'd have come up with something that took less time than 11 hours.

Stark

The cylons were masters of organic technology, so the circuitry was probably disguised as normal nerve tissue or whatever. They have to have something in them as well to allow their memories to be downloaded when they die.

mewso

Stark wrote: »

The cylons were masters of organic technology, so the circuitry was probably disguised as normal nerve tissue or whatever. They have to have something in them as well to allow their memories to be downloaded when they die.

Fair enough but I think it's a fine line especially when one of them can side with the humans.

DeVore

I have been wondering that too Muso (not to mention the big glowing red spine when they "frack" as seen in the pilot!)

But as for the credits at the start, it says "4 live in secret" but I dunno.... still wiggle room there!

And speculating is half the fun of these shows (in fact, imho its why people get annoyed when they dont get answers or more specifically, they get answer that are so cockamamy as to have been non-predictable.

Its like reading a who-dunnit novel and having an unknown character arrive on the last page, go "actually it was me, I can walk through time you see". The End.

DeV.

Kiith

Kiith wrote: »

Future President of the Colonies, Lee Adama.

Posted over a month ago in the Final Cylon? Bragging rights thread....boo ya! (doesnt matter if everyone else knew it too)

Anyway, I really enjoyed the episode. It was a slower, more personnel episode, but thats not necessarily a bad thing. Next week will be great though, as we'll get to see the battle between the basestar and the resurection hub (hopefully). The Bill/Tgh fight was brilliant. "I'll kill you...ahh, you broke my ship".

mewso

DeVore wrote: »

But as for the credits at the start, it says "4 live in secret" but I dunno.... still wiggle room there!

Ah yeah but it shows the 4 in question while saying it. Slightly less wiggle room

DeVore wrote: »

And speculating is half the fun of these shows

I know but I'm just amazed sometimes at how zany the speculation can get.