Spin - Offs

Steve_o

Was listening to show on the radio last night, and they were going on about Spin-Offs.... basically, can you name some spin offs that you know of...

They were goin on about:

The Tracy Ullman Show - The Simpsons
Cheers - Frasier
Happy Days - Mork and Mindy
Friends - Joey
Star Trek - All the other Star Treks

and so on...

Xavi6

Gays Anatomy has one AFAIK

Sherifu

Xavi6 wrote: »

Gays Anatomy has one AFAIK

Will have with the yummy redhead.
Stargate SG1 - Stargate Atlantis
Prison break has one in the pipeline.

neacy69

Xavi6 wrote: »

Gays Anatomy has one AFAIK

Its called Private practice....I seen one episode and it wasn't that bad

http://www.tv.com/private-practice/show/72805/summary.html?q=private%20practice&tag=search_results;title;1

Xavi6

Sherifu wrote: »

Will have with the yummy redhead.

There's already been a few episodes shown last year. Missus watches it :mad:

Karoma

Moved.

chopperbyrne

Steve_o wrote: »

Was listening to show on the radio last night, and they were going on about Spin-Offs.... basically, can you name some spin offs that you know of...

They were goin on about:

The Tracy Ullman Show - The Simpsons
Cheers - Frasier
Happy Days - Mork and Mindy
Friends - Joey
Star Trek - All the other Star Treks

and so on...

Happy Days had Joanie and Chachie (spelling?) too.

Eek the Cat - The Terrible Thunderlizards!
Animaniacs - Pinky & The Brain

humanji

Steve_o wrote: »

Happy Days - Mork and Mindy

Mork and Mindy wasn't a spin-off, they just had some cross over episodes since they were two really popular shows at the time (which makes me wonder about it, since they're both set in different timezones...).

The US Office has a spin-off coming out soon, I think. And Baywatch had Baywatch Nights and Baywatch Hawaii (not that I watched either...ahem...)

Steve_o

Joanie and Chachie was awful from what i've heard, never seen it mind you...

neacy69

Isn't Angel a spin-off of buffy?

Also CSI:Miami, CSI: New York are all spin offs of the original CSI or are they called a franchise nowadays

Same with all the Law and Order's (criminal intent, SVU)

Mr E

Was Wings a spinoff of Cheers?

elshambo

The Simpsons:

The Love-matic Grampa
The Simpson Family Smile-Time Variety Hour
and my fav: Chief Wiggum, P.I.

User45701

elshambo wrote: »

The Simpsons:

The Love-matic Grampa
The Simpson Family Smile-Time Variety Hour
and my fav: Chief Wiggum, P.I.

Those arnt spin off's - where they not just stand alone episodes?

Cleaveland show is a family guy spin off thats being worked on.

i cant think of any more

Not The Real Scarecrow

wings was written by the same team as cheers.
New family guy spin off on the way about Cleaveland and prequel to the new Battlestar Gallactica. Rumours that a spin off to Lost is in development as well but not much has been confirmed on this, don't watch Lost so can't really comment on if it would be viable.

ronnie3585

Lest we forget; Saved by the Bell - The College Years.

ixoy

Beverley Hills 90210 - Melrose Place and the new Beverley Hills 90210 series

The X-Files - The Lone Gunmen

Hercules: The Legendary Journeys - Xena: Warrior Princess and Young Hercules

Stargate:SG-1 - Stargate: Atlantis, Stargate: Infinity, and maybe Stargate: Universe

Doctor Who - K-9 and Company, Torchwood, The Sarah Jane Adventures, the new K9 animated series

Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers - Power Rangers Zeo, Power Rangers Turbo, Power Rangers in Space, Power Rangers Lost Galaxy, Power Rangers Lightspeed Rescue, Power Rangers Time Force, Power Rangers Wild Force, Power Rangers Ninja Storm, Power Rangers DinoThunder, Power Rangers S.P.D., Power Rangers Mystic Force, Power Rangers Operation Overdrive

Morgans

Not sure how many above are actual spin offs but

There was an awful thing with Boycie from only fools and horses on every so often. Green Green Grass or something like that. Truly disgraceful stuff.

Rhoda - Lou Grant were spin offs from Mary Tyler Moore Show from well before my time.

Sherifu

Xavi6 wrote: »

There's already been a few episodes shown last year. Missus watches it :mad:

Damn it, didn't know it was out. Cheers for the heads up.

Stark

That 70s show - That 80s show
The Brady Bunch - The Brady Brides
The Six Million Dollar Man - The Bionic woman
Good morning miss bliss - Saved by the bell
Bracken - Glenroe
Babylon 5 - Crusade
Life On Mars - Ashes to Ashes
The Oprah Winfrey Show - Dr. Phil

Steve_o

ixoy wrote: »

Stargate:SG-1 - Stargate: Atlantis, Stargate: Infinity, and maybe Stargate: Universe

Overdrive

Stargate SG-1 was itself a spin off from the movie Stargate.

afatbollix

simpons - ren and stimpy...


it was the itchy and scratchy show but then got its own show...

Newaglish

Heartbeat and the Royal

and Casualty and Holby City? I think they're the same

Zaph

Porridge - Going Straight

ixoy

Newaglish wrote: »

and Casualty and Holby City? I think they're the same

You can add 'Holby Blue' now too.

Photi

Boards.ie - Boards.tv

Steve_o

The Den - Den TV - 2Phat - Podge and Rodge

elshambo

User45701 wrote: »

Originally Posted by elshambo
The Simpsons:

The Love-matic Grampa
The Simpson Family Smile-Time Variety Hour
and my fav: Chief Wiggum, P.I.


Those arnt spin off's - where they not just stand alone episodes?

Cleaveland show is a family guy spin off thats being worked on.

i cant think of any more

Er um, it was a joke, the show in question was introducing the new spin off shows

Pigman II

The Simpsons - Family Guy

Steve_o

Pigman II wrote: »

The Simpsons - Family Guy

Not a spin off.... Maybe The Simpsons - Futurama..... but not family guy, completely different writers/characters etc...

Morgans

Again, I cant see how Futurama is a spin off from The Simpsons.

Jackass had a few spin offs. Viva La Bam etc.

Dodge

ixoy wrote: »

Beverley Hills 90210 - Melrose Place

That was just the same creator, and same "type" of US soap. MP wasn't created from charachters that had appeared in 90210. Similarly that none of the "adult" cartoons are spin offs. Imitators and "inspired by" certainly, but not spin offs

The new "franchise" methos of TV blurs it a little, and I'd probably consider the CSIs, Law & orders etc as spin offs too

Steve_o

Morgans wrote: »

Again, I cant see how Futurama is a spin off from The Simpsons.

Jackass had a few spin offs. Viva La Bam etc.

Simpsons characters have appeared (although for very short periods of time) in Futurama and Vice versa, its got alot of the same voice actors and the same creator, it wouldn't exist only for the simpsons, so maybe in that respect it could be considered a spin-off...maybe!

Morgans

Dodge wrote: »

That was just the same creator, and same "type" of US soap. MP wasn't created from charachters that had appeared in 90210. Similarly that none of the "adult" cartoons are spin offs. Imitators and "inspired by" certainly, but not spin offs

The new "franchise" methos of TV blurs it a little, and I'd probably consider the CSIs, Law & orders etc as spin offs too

I think the jennie garth character was in both Melrose Place and Beverly Hills 90210. I could be corrected.

Knots Landing was a spin off of something back in the day. Dynasty I think had The Colbys.

Stark

Same actors/creators doesn't make something a spinoff. It has to be set in the same universe. I know there have been flashes of characters from each show in the other, but then again, so have characters from many other completely unrelated shows.

Dodge

Stark wrote: »

Same actors/creators doesn't make something a spinoff. It has to be set in the same universe. I know there have been flashes of characters from each show in the other, but then again, so have characters from many other completely unrelated shows.

Even the same universe wouldn't count IMO. Lots of crossover episodes these days. Det. John Munch anyone?

gazzer

I think the jennie garth character was in both Melrose Place and Beverly Hills 90210. I could be corrected.

Yeah you are correct. She followed one of the characters to Melrose. I think Tori Spellings character was in it with her as well.

elshambo

Steve_o wrote: »

Simpsons characters have appeared (although for very short periods of time) in Futurama and Vice versa,

Na there called Jokes

sweetie

glenroe was a spin-off of bracken

Steve_o

elshambo wrote: »

Na there called Jokes

Oh i know that, i was merely pointing out that they have been seen...i could be wrong, i'm just tryin to figure out what the exact criteria is for something to be called a spin-off..

Morgans

South Park had an episode where they were taking the piss out of Peter Griffin and family guy. Not a spin off.

Some shows would be marketed as spin offs to get the viewers - Melrose place was classed as a spin off to Beverly Hills 90210 with token efforts to follow the lives of one or two character(s), as they moved to a different set/up program. Even if the character has a very minor role to play in the new show.

Some programs like Joey, Frasier are outright spin offs with the one character from one program carrying the new show.

rovers_runner

Seinfeld - Will and Grace

Both terrible attempts at humour.

Dodge

rovers_runner wrote: »

Seinfeld - Will and Grace

Both terrible attempts at humour.

:rolleyes: not often you see those too lumped together :eek:

Anywhoo...

As above, there are loads of US shows that have been launched off the back of succesful shows (melrose place on the back of 90210 is a great example). I wouldn't call these spin offs. Anybody see the episode of the Simpsons where they "launched" The Critic?

There are tons of crossover shows obviously driven by networks hoping to keep fans of one show on their network. One of the weirdest I ever saw was an episode of Las vegas where charachters from Crossing jordan were involved. I didn't really watch eithe show (just watched las vegas for the eye candy) but they were totally different "types" of show.

The true definition of spin offs IMO wouild the Joey, Frasier type of programme. Where charachters firmly established in one show, branch off into a new one (whether its at the end of one show, or whethers its during the first shows running doesn't matter to me)

monkeyfudge

anto-t wrote: »

simpons - ren and stimpy...


it was the itchy and scratchy show but then got its own show...

Where on Earth are you getting that from? Both Itchy & Scratchy and Ren & Stimpy are pastiches on the Dog and Cat cartoon, but that's about it. They're not connected in anyway other than the Simpsons taking the piss out of Ren and Stimpy's production delays in one episode.

Steve_o wrote: »

Oh i know that, i was merely pointing out that they have been seen...i could be wrong, i'm just tryin to figure out what the exact criteria is for something to be called a spin-off..

I believe Groening once said that Futurama exists in a universe where the Simpsons is shown on the telly.


Is anyone familiar with the The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis?

In the final episode of St. Elsewhere it is indicated that the entire series may have been purely in the imagination of an autistic kid called Tommy Westphall. Now due to the amount of crossover episodes during St. Elsewhere's run, and then spin offs and other crossovers from those shows, a huge amount of television can be attributed to existing purely in the imagination of Tommy Westphall.

Here's a diagram showing how all the shows are linked and it does give a good indication how much cross over there is in TV.

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/crossovers(full).jpg

sweetie

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Where on Earth are you getting that from? Both Itchy & Scratchy and Ren & Stimpy are pastiches on the Dog and Cat cartoon, but that's about it. They're not connected in anyway other than the Simpsons taking the piss out of Ren and Stimpy's production delays in one episode.



I believe Groening once said that Futurama exists in a universe where the Simpsons is shown on the telly.


Is anyone familiar with the The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis?

In the final episode of St. Elsewhere it is indicated that the entire series may have been purely in the imagination of an autistic kid called Tommy Westphall. Now due to the amount of crossover episodes during St. Elsewhere's run, and then spin offs and other crossovers from those shows, a huge amount of television can be attributed to existing purely in the imagination of Tommy Westphall.

Here's a diagram showing how all the shows are linked and it does give a good indication how much cross over there is in TV.

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/crossovers(full).jpg

cool diagram but angel linked to red dwarf, i don't think so. They are both fantasy shows but that's about it

monkeyfudge

sweetie wrote: »

cool diagram but angel linked to red dwarf, i don't think so. They are both fantasy shows but that's about it

There only needs to be a reference made in an episode for this graph to work.

For instance... I don't know the connection between Angel and Battlestar Galactica, but I do know the link between Battlestar Galactica and Firefly as the ship from Firefly was seen in the background of the fleet of Battlestar Galactica in one episode.

With a show like Angel which has a huge amount of pop culture references I'm sure a lot of other shows have been referenced.

Actually... I think I do remember a reference to Lorne Green now that I think of it.

Steve_o

monkeyfudge wrote: »

I believe Groening once said that Futurama exists in a universe where the Simpsons is shown on the telly.

Oh right... that clears that up then...

ixoy

Dodge wrote: »

:The true definition of spin offs IMO wouild the Joey, Frasier type of programme. Where charachters firmly established in one show, branch off into a new one (whether its at the end of one show, or whethers its during the first shows running doesn't matter to me)

Tough definition - Angel would then count as a spinoff at least. What about Hercules/Xena? Xena was introduced for a final 3-episode run but worked so well she got a spinoff. There were a few crossover episodes then with many charactrers flitting between the two shows at various points.

grumpytrousers

Boston Legal is a spin-off from The Practise.

Dodge

ixoy wrote: »

Tough definition - Angel would then count as a spinoff at least. What about Hercules/Xena? Xena was introduced for a final 3-episode run but worked so well she got a spinoff. There were a few crossover episodes then with many charactrers flitting between the two shows at various points.

Angel is definitely a spin off. Couldn't imagine any way it wouldn't be. Didn't watch hercules/xena but it sounds like a franchise to me. I'm not trying to make myself final ruler on these thins either.


As I posted earlier, the whole franchise thing has muddied the water. although nothing like my "definition" I couldn't argue that CSI Miami wasn't a spin off from CSI (LV).

But I'd stand by comments that some of the others (the david E. Kelley legal stuff, the MP/90210/central Park West types, the animated sitcoms) aren't spin offs.

grumpytrousers

i think the test would be something along the lines of

"has the show which you wonder is a spin-off got charactar(s) who *previously* appeared in another series?" (It doesn't matter if the 'previous series was set in the past or not)

"Do these character(s) relate, in the new series, to each other and to new characters in the way they would have done in the old series"

"Are there references (even fleeting, even occasional) to the 'other series')?

"Are they inhabiting the same 'universe'?"

There's also got to be something about the nature of the characters 'centrality' to the original series in here. Angel wasn't the star of Buffy the Vampire Slayer anymore than, say, Willow was. Frasier wasn't the star of Cheers anymore than, say, Norm was.

On the other hand, Gene Hunt was as prominent in Ashes to Ashes as he was in Life on Mars so in a sense it's more a sequel than a spin-off, if you know what i mean.

CAMEO APPEARANCES DO NOT COUNT.

Ponster

I'm surprised that some people here get the idea of a 'spin-off' confused.

Wiki makes it easy declaring that a franchise is a type of spin-off.

So the pure spin-off is of the 'Fraiser' type while the Star Trek series are all franchises but also spin-offs of the original (or each other).