Petrol/ Diesel Protests in England

Ay Cee

Just caught this on Sky News this morning. Loads of truckers heading into London.

Do you think anything will happen here? Would it make a difference?

140.9 for diesel in what is normally the cheapest garage in Kildare last night :mad:

bbam

I can't see it making a difference here... We've been getting cheap fuel for a while now... Look at the historical prices on the contenent, I dont know what they are at the moment but they were usually up in the 1.40+ per litre for the last number of years..

Boots09

I wouldnt be surprised if it happens but cant see it making a difference the way things are going!! :mad:

Westwood

everyone in ireland should stop going to work for a couple of days in protest. that would cost the state millions. look at the train drivers..they want extra pay they dont go to work..they usually get what they want. same goes for motorists, they should protest and protest hard. english people usually do tho, irish people are as soft as ****e.

Ay Cee

Everything in Ireland is going up, except wages. Something has to give

niceirishfella

About time someone took a stand........

The road hauliers association here talk, and talk, and talk, and might go on a go slow.

But its blocking up every big City in the country and taking the government to task over the fuel crisis that would open debate and discussion.

Ay Cee

The AA wanted to know why the diesel prices were going up so fast. Yeah that'll get it sorted :rolleyes:

Padraig Mor

More pain on the way - Maxol diesel now 153.94 a litre wholesale!
http://www.maxol.ie/schedule_sheets/maxol_price_schedule_331.html

spockety

What is a protest supposed to achieve?

Petrol/Diesel are not going up as a result of tax increases, and protesting against private companies due to their pricing policy is pointless. If you don't like the price of something then don't buy it, that's the best form of protest. Of course, we've become so dependant as a species on oil, that there is no chance of enough people refusing to buy it to make any difference whatsoever.

The people who own the oil are charging more, and more, and more, and there ain't nothing you can do about it. A litre of petrol will probably be 2 euro within 3 years, and that's nowhere near the end of the increases.

Ay Cee

Litre of Diesel will be €2 before the end of the year at this rate.

Westwood

abolish excise duty immediately or the country will go belly up, bottom line. so the goverment are making 45 cent per litre of petrol and 37 cent per litre diesel LOL, its an absolute disgrace

spockety

Westwood wrote: »

abolish excise duty immediately or the country will go belly up, bottom line. so the goverment are making 45 cent per litre of petrol and 37 cent per litre diesel LOL, its an absolute disgrace

If they abolish duty on petrol/diesel, they will have to make up the tax take somewhere else. You will still be hit in the pocket, will the fact that it's not from buying petrol/diesel make you feel any better?

Ay Cee

It certainly needs to be cut, no chance of it being abolished. What ever about filling a car, can't imagine what it costs to fill a truck!

NinjaTruncs

Is fuel duty a % of the price or a set amount per litre, so if petrol goes to 2 euro a litre will the tax intake still be the same of will it increase proportionatly. Anyone know?

Westwood

spockety wrote: »

If they abolish duty on petrol/diesel, they will have to make up the tax take somewhere else. You will still be hit in the pocket, will the fact that it's not from buying petrol/diesel make you feel any better?

It will not make me feel any better, as I personally don’t use my car much. but the people who rely on cars, trucks, vans buses, taxi's.. to earn a living do. This is their livelihood there only source of income and increasing oil prices astronomically will only lead them to hike up and pass on new prices to the consumer. so nobody wins its a vicious circle that the government needs to address and removing excise duty on oil is the only way forward. I feel. as they cant stop the prices at source.

spockety

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

Is fuel duty a % of the price or a set amount per litre, so if petrol goes to 2 euro a litre will the tax intake still be the same of will it increase proportionatly. Anyone know?

It is a set amount.. about 42 cent a litre.

But VAT is charged on the petrol after that has been added, so it will increase the tax take proportionally to the base price + duty.

spockety

Westwood wrote: »

It will not make me feel any better, as I personally don’t use my car much. but the people who rely on cars, trucks, vans buses, taxi's.. to earn a living do. This is their livelihood there only source of income and increasing oil prices astronomically will only lead them to hike up and pass on new prices to the consumer. so nobody wins its a vicious circle that the government needs to address and removing excise duty on oil is the only way forward. I feel. as they cant stop the prices at source.

But they will have to make up the tax take somewhere, you will still get hit in the pocket.

I agree with you that yes, people who's business depends on oil will have to pass on the cost of that fuel to the customer, there is no other way around it.

The world is going to have to get used to the idea that things are going to change over the next few decades. Things like imported food will not be standard buys any more.. we are going to have to rely more and more on local produce in order for the things we take for granted today to remain affordable.

niceirishfella

Ay Cee wrote: »

The AA wanted to know why the diesel prices were going up so fast. Yeah that'll get it sorted :rolleyes:

+1

yeah, the posh nonce Conor Faulkner will go air talking shioteee for ages on any station.......but nothing ever happends cfrom the AA but lobbying here and send a letter there.........useless organisation.

Ay Cee

Westwood is right. Your hit at the pump for your car. Then as it affects the hauliers, they have to put up their prices and ultimately you end up being hit again in the long run.

spockety

niceirishfella wrote: »

+1

yeah, the posh nonce Conor Faulkner will go air talking shioteee for ages on any station.......but nothing ever happends cfrom the AA but lobbying here and send a letter there.........useless organisation.

"OURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR members tell us..."

Ay Cee

I've nothing against the AA, but I've never heard of them ever achieving anything.
All it is, is a soap box for Conor Faulkner. They have all these questions/ issues. But what ever happens as a result.

tw0nk

French are demanding VAT cuts for petrol prices:

http://www.breakingnews.ie/text/world/mhgbmhgbojau/

ambro25

I'd be interested to find out what kind of take-home € figure for the GVT we're looking at, in any given period (day/week/month)? Must be some '0s even per day, at a SWAG.

[troll]And people thought the VRT was a scam![/troll] :pac:

JHMEG

Padraig Mor wrote: »

More pain on the way - Maxol diesel now 153.94 a litre wholesale!
http://www.maxol.ie/schedule_sheets/maxol_price_schedule_331.html

Assuming a 10c markup, does that mean €1.65 for diesel and €1.47 for unleaded? Holee crap.

cancan

Ay Cee wrote: »

I've nothing against the AA, but I've never heard of them ever achieving anything.
All it is, is a soap box for Conor Faulkner. They have all these questions/ issues. But what ever happens as a result.

The AA is a private organization - they are out for their own interests and not that of the motorist.

There is no motorist lobby group in ireland - hence the never ending taxes lumped on them. Without an motoring organization, is it any wonder things are the way they are...

mike65

The only thing that could work (but not at a political level) is to refund some of the VAT, after all the government makes more as prices rise. But I'd say there are two chances of this happening and one of them is fat.

Mike.

mondeo

By the end of the year I bet my life petrol and diesal will both be over 1.85 per litre which for me means an absolute abolishment of my car and getting that Aprilia motorcycle I always wanted.

Dodge

So people are claiming rip off ireland, even though our petrol is considerably cheaper than most of europe's (including the UK)?

"gas" prices up about 300-400% in the Us over the last 18 months. Now thats criminal...

mike65

No thats karma!

Mike.

ambro25

Dodge wrote: »

So people are claiming rip off ireland

Are they? I thought 'people were claiming rip off' GVT levy on fuel everywhere :pac:

I believe the main issue is somewhat similar to VRT (in principle, please do not start on/about VRT): since VAT is a % and is calculated on fuel € plus levy €, the (% x levy €) portion in effect constitutes a double taxation, which still rises in proportion to fuel € increases.

EDIT - LOL @ Mike65's

Lord Nikon

Maybe we should all just use public transport...

po0k

Yes.
And a policy to support hybrid/electric/multifuel cars and conversions.
As part of the NCT, the owner should be told what fuel/powerplant options are open.

A industry-led standardisation of car-parts/mountings/interfaces to some degree would help facilitate modularisation.

neuromancer

neuromancer wrote: »

Maybe we should all just use public transport...

Yeah I think so. Pity buses have to run on diesel too. Me thinks CIE will have the begging bowl out to the government to ask the gov to increase fares.

andreas_220D

mondeo wrote: »

By the end of the year I bet my life petrol and diesal will both be over 1.85 per litre which for me means an absolute abolishment of my car and getting that Aprilia motorcycle I always wanted.

Wouldn't bet my life (a 10er maybe:p), but i'm afraid it'll be at least 2 per litre

andreas_220D

neuromancer wrote: »

Maybe we should all just use public transport...

is there any one could use?:rolleyes:

What kind of fuel economy do you get from a bike?

Alun

Deleted User wrote: »

What kind of fuel economy do you get from a bike?

10 km per breakfast roll? (I'm assuming you mean pedal bike )

Scottie99

They should be reducing VAT on all fuel. It seems though that the Greens want to increase duty on fuel as agreed when forming the coalition government:mad:

Who is going to put pressure on this government? Irish consumers won't say boo and will just bend over again!:eek:

bazzachazza

I heard 64% or there abouts mentioned on the radio as the governments cut from fuel prices.

Ay Cee

Yeah I think that's back to what one poster said. 40 something per litre and then the VAT.

bazzachazza

So based on that the Gov are getting off roughly a litre costing €1.40 90c.

That is disgusting. Worse even than the bloody guys from the Gulf and what there making out of it.

So yeah keep shouting about wage restraint while you force the country into recession.

parsi

Interesting suggestions there lads.:rolleyes:

Ye're saying that he gov should cut their take from the litre of fuel. However the Arabs and the oil companies can continue to take their increasing takes from the litre of fuel.

So will the Arabs go and make up the revenue shortfall or will they just spend it on themselves ? Will Maxol go and give us all a few bob ?

I doubt it. Remember the time the Government dropped VAT from 21 to 20% ? Remember how few retailers bothered to pass on the rate cut ?

bazzachazza

parsi wrote: »

Interesting suggestions there lads.:rolleyes:

Ye're saying that he gov should cut their take from the litre of fuel. However the Arabs and the oil companies can continue to take their increasing takes from the litre of fuel.

So will the Arabs go and make up the revenue shortfall or will they just spend it on themselves ? Will Maxol go and give us all a few bob ?

I doubt it. Remember the time the Government dropped VAT from 21 to 20% ? Remember how few retailers bothered to pass on the rate cut ?

So your saying we shouldn't force our own Government as they are the only ones who will listen not the Arabs to lower there tax cut.

So it's not a good idea then and your against it ?

DublinWriter

Ay Cee wrote: »

The AA wanted to know why the diesel prices were going up so fast. Yeah that'll get it sorted :rolleyes:

The Chinese are buying up huge amounts of Diesel commodities and futures on the world energy markets in order to to get their Olympics Stadia in place.

Ban the Olympics I say; It's about as relevant as a Eurovision Song Contest with tracksuits to most of us.

We're already paying 70%+ duty to the government for road diesel. That's enough of a buffer to allow us to be cut some slack.

towel401

The people over here aren't really into protest. they are not really into democracy either, they would rather have someone else organise everything for them.

Especially in Dublin, people would much rather pay the 80 euro to have their clamp removed, sit in their car, maybe complain to Joe Duffy who will say "ah, look thats terrible I feel so sorry for you" and then continue to pay the new inflated prices.


@alun - you can get more than 10km per breakfast roll. maybe 20 on one breakfast roll and a litre of tap water which thankfully still costs nothing. but the Dubs waste too much water so us culchies will probably have to pay for it in a few years

mikemac

I’ve only scanned through this thread.
The government could abolish the customs duty they are charging for every litre as that’d be a massive shortfall. And let’s face it, the petrol station and wholesale suppliers would up their price to take advantage.

Price is up and private motorists will just have to deal with it.
Would a tax rebate to hauliers, commercial drivers, farmers, etc be possible? I’d imagine it’d be easy enough to implement and they can wait until December to get any rebates organized.

I don’t know what the price of fuel is in France, but the French sure know how to protest!

E92

The Government has to find money somewhere. Perhaps if they didn't let striking train drivers away with blue murder we might be able to afford tax cuts.

And the Greens want a Carbon levy = more tax on fuel.

FF don't seem to have a problem with it either...IIRC our resident FFer ninty9er staunchly defended the idea here before.

As noted earlier the Government taxes diesel by 6 cent less per litre than they tax petrol, so that isn't going to last for too much longer with the changes to VRT from July.

I drove through Douglas in Cork today. The Shell Garage(opposite Douglas shopping centre) was displaying 131.9 for a litre of petrol and 143.9 for a litre of diesel.

astraboy

E92 wrote: »

And the Greens want a Carbon levy = more tax on fuel.

As if oil at $135 per barrel was'nt incentive enough for people to use less fuel. Slapping on another tax will just add to peoples pain and not have much of an effect. I hate the greenies. Red communists in disguise, they smite anyone that dares question how dangerous all this carbon is. Load of crap.

If fuel rates keep rising the Gov should consider cutting the VAT rate on fuel, as its a percentage and so they get more the higher the price....

bazzachazza

$130 a barrel today as the dollar is climbing again slightly.

E92

I'd be amazed if it didn't hit $200 a barrel by the end of the year tbh.

Americans are ditching their SUVs and buying "small"(small for them of course) cars.

This is very bad news for the big three in Detroit because they lose money on their small cars and have to rely on their SUVs to make them money, while European and Japanese manufacturers are able to make money on their small cars.

People do use their cars when it really isn't necessary. There's no need to use your car to drop kids to school half a mile away. Same goes for going to the shop a few minutes up the road.

Besides that it's very bad for cars to be driving them for short journeys.

Of course if we had a punctual, frequent and reliable public transport service I would also add if you're going somewhere that's well served by public transport that you should use that more often too.

vectra

E92 wrote: »

People do use their cars when it really isn't necessary. There's no need to use your car to drop kids to school half a mile away. Same goes for going to the shop a few minutes up the road.

Besides that it's very bad for cars to be driving them for short journeys.

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Not picking or anything now but some of us simply have no choice but to use their cars for those short journeys