Traveller Encampment At The Carrickphierish Road

Freddie59

Since this new road opened it has been widely abused by travllers camping illegaly. A Halting Site ("social housing scheme") has been provided next to the new Blackberry Fields City Council Estate. This appears to act as a magnet to others, who think nothing of appearing along in new vans and jeeps and setting up shop, adjacent to a new estate where young couples are paying huge mortgages.

This road is quickly descending into another Lacken Road and action needs to be taken now by the City Council, who, as usual, appear to pay lip service to the situation. How is there one law for travellers and another for the rest of us? It's ludicrous.

Cabaal

Only way to show the situation up as a joke is get a camper van or something and heade out on some road and setup shop, do what some Traveller's do and leave it go all the way top the court and then move

Sully

I recall reading somewhere that its not the councils fault. They cant force them out. Each time they have to go to court and get eviction notices and if that fails they have to try going to court again to remove them. Something to that affect anyway.

Cabaal

I don't think wishing they were wiped out is not the way to go, at the end of the day its their way of life and certain aspects of that have to be respected,

I have to agree that when they break the law they should be dealt with thje same as anybody else but wishing they were all wiped out is not the way to go.

KevIRL

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Wow sweeping generalisation there.

Have you anything to back up how the travelling community 'offer nothing' to society and 'annoy anybody that they come with a mile of'

If anyone from any background breaks the law of the land they deserve to be dealt with accordingly, but making unfounded allegations against one section of the community is unfair.

KevIRL

Cabaal wrote: »

I don't think wishing they were wiped out is not the way to go, at the end of the day its their way of life and certain aspects of that have to be respected,

I have to agree that when they break the law they should be dealt with thje same as anybody else but wishing they were all wiped out is not the way to go.

Well said Cabaal.

dazftw

I live in blackberry fields and even though I hate them being there so so much, I walk past everyday going to town and they dont say a word to me at all. At 1st the little kids did but I dont see them anymore.. I cant see them from my house either and its right at the front of the estate.

The only time ive seen them be a nuisance, was when some traveller pulled up in a van giving out to some other lad about money saying he'll have it tomorrow! I mean screaming the head of eachother

Other than that there only an eye sore and leave there rubbish there.. when there gone. I would like to see them moved but it seems they leave and come back at either end of the road.

longshanks

Cabaal wrote: »

I don't think wishing they were wiped out is not the way to go.

so you think wiping them out is the way to go?? thats an interesting one

Sully

This isnt a thread to bash travellers, call them names or anything else like that.

Topic Cleaned.

daftdave

im not traveller bashing and i did not call them any names, i gave my personal viewpoint on what i think of them, and im sure 95% of people here would agree with what i said, lets just agree on saying that they are a pain in the ass !

longshanks

the final solution, only applied to the pavee's. now there's a thought

Sully

daftdave wrote: »

im not traveller bashing and i did not call them any names, i gave my personal viewpoint on what i think of them, and im sure 95% of people here would agree with what i said, lets just agree on saying that they are a pain in the ass !

Sweeping generalisations are unfair. As I said, please refrain from doing so.

Sully

longshanks wrote: »

the final solution, only applied to the pavee's. now there's a thought

What ya mean?

Jumpy

Sully wrote: »

What ya mean?

Google Hitler and "Final Solution"

He was suggesting ethnic cleansing.

Freddie59

daftdave wrote: »

im not traveller bashing and i did not call them any names, i gave my personal viewpoint on what i think of them, and im sure 95% of people here would agree with what i said, lets just agree on saying that they are a pain in the ass !

Precisely. This is the 21st Century. And you still have these abandoning vehicles in an area not designed for them. But the PC brigade will try to convince you it's a minority. Of course it is.:rolleyes:

What separates them from you and me is quite simple. An address. You and I can be prosecuted and held to account on the basis of it. They can't - because they don't have one.

My solution? Find somewhere to locate them in the Country where they can practice their 'traditions' (what are these traditions BTW?) - keep them there -and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

Sully

Freddie59 wrote: »

Precisely. This is the 21st Century. And you still have these abandoning vehicles in an area not designed for them. But the PC brigade will try to convince you it's a minority. Of course it is.:rolleyes:

I gather you know something I dont. Can you provide me any statistics or whatever that shows the majority of travellers are not law abiding citizens?

What separates them from you and me is quite simple. An address. You and I can be prosecuted and held to account on the basis of it. They can't - because they don't have one.

Ah for god sake, are you suggesting that anybody who doesn't have a fixed location are not law abiding citizens? You can still be prosecuted if your on the go, hence the "No Fixed Address" you often see in the press referring to cases.

My solution? Find somewhere to locate them in the Country where they can practice their 'traditions' (what are these traditions BTW?) - keep them there -and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

The real solution is to give them a different spot to accommodate them in each county. If they abuse it, they should be removed and prosecuted. At the moment, there is **** all space for them and a lot of it is abused. Nobody does anything and the Guards don't want to get involved.

kinkstr

Sully wrote: »

I gather you know something I dont. Can you provide me any statistics or whatever that shows the majority of travellers are not law abiding citizens?

Why dont you provide a statistic that the minority of travellers are the ones that break certain laws. But then again, its hard to gather information and stasticis on a group of people that dont have an address, or those poor ones that have always seem to have just lost the social welfare cards:eek:

daftdave

if they abuse it you say remove them, to where, the carrickpherish road perhaps ?? or somewhere else that they are not wanted but dont care what people think. just because these people i.e the travellers that break the law by parking themselves wherever they feel like,

"i have to explain myself thoroughly in everything i say here as i was given an official boards warning for expressing my personal viewpoint in one of my previous posts on this issue",

back to what i was saying, just because these people have no morals or pride in the area that they live, should we be dragged down to their level of destroying the area around them and then moving on to the next area, thus leaving people who pay huge mortages having their homes devalued and the area they live in defaced.

all the time the government stick to the same laws which do not protect the very people that bump up their coffers by paying our taxes and trying to live like honest people and have a clean area for our childeren to grow in and feel safe........ rant over

Marcus.Aurelius

Its probably time for the PC brigade to grow up and actually make a decision. All this nonsense about "minority rights" etc., just lets people have an avenue to escape important issues in life.

If you have an opinion, you might be forced to do something about it.

Wouldn't want that, would we?

:eek:

Grow up is all I can say TBH.

Travellers cause havoc wherever they go, everybody knows it. Every busybody denies it in case they might have to act on it.

Sully

kinkstr wrote: »

Why dont you provide a statistic that the minority of travellers are the ones that break certain laws. But then again, its hard to gather information and stasticis on a group of people that dont have an address, or those poor ones that have always seem to have just lost the social welfare cards:eek:

There are plenty of court cases if you look around about travellers being in trouble in court. There are no statement to say that EVERY traveller acts like this. Lets be fair!

daftdave wrote: »

if they abuse it you say remove them, to where, the carrickpherish road perhaps ?? or somewhere else that they are not wanted but dont care what people think. just because these people i.e the travellers that break the law by parking themselves wherever they feel like

Away from parking illegally. If there were stronger laws and fines, they wouldn't do it. Saying that, before we do that, they need to be given proper facilities. Its their way of living and we have to respect that.

"i have to explain myself thoroughly in everything i say here as i was given an official boards warning for expressing my personal viewpoint in one of my previous posts on this issue",

You were warned not to generalise.

back to what i was saying, just because these people have no morals or pride in the area that they live, should we be dragged down to their level of destroying the area around them and then moving on to the next area, thus leaving people who pay huge mortages having their homes devalued and the area they live in defaced.

Blame the laws and lack of space for them.

all the time the government stick to the same laws which do not protect the very people that bump up their coffers by paying our taxes and trying to live like honest people and have a clean area for our childeren to grow in and feel safe........ rant over

Yes well its Ireland. All our laws are ****ed. They need to be fixed, and stat.

maoleary wrote: »

Its probably time for the PC brigade to grow up and actually make a decision. All this nonsense about "minority rights" etc., just lets people have an avenue to escape important issues in life.

If you have an opinion, you might be forced to do something about it.

Wouldn't want that, would we?

:eek:

Grow up is all I can say TBH.

Everybody has a right to protection. Including you. If you were black, would you like to be referred to as a "ni**er" all the time? Thats what PC is.

Travellers cause havoc wherever they go, everybody knows it. Every busybody denies it in case they might have to act on it.

Do they though? They have in Waterford (tho I dont think its all of them) but is it the same eveywhere?

Dac51

To the PC brigade on this thread, all I can say is this:

I have lived in Ballybeg for the past 30 odd years and unless you live near a traveller encampment then you have no idea what you are talking about.

Travellers (the majority of them) have destroyed the Ballybeg Link Road which was only built a few years ago. The childrens park on the Ballybeg Link Road has been left unused for the past year as traveller children are intimidating others. Rubbish is simply thrown in the adjacent field which the council are left to clean up. Caravans are parked on the footpath leaving pedestrians to walk on the road. Bonfires are lit on the footpaths causing serious risk to traffic and smoke damage to nearby houses.

And I can tell you that is not the minority that is doing this. It is the MAJORITY of travellers. Ask a traveller where they dump their sewerage. Ask them where they dump their rubbish (I haven't seen any wheelie bins on the link road!). Ask them how they can afford a 08 Lexus if they have no means of income other than social welfare. Ask them why they dump dead horses in adjacent fields.

Tell you what. Let's move them from Carrickphierish and Ballybeg to your area. You'll soon change your tune.

Psychedelic

Cabaal wrote: »

at the end of the day its their way of life and certain aspects of that have to be respected

please explain why we should automatically and without question respect their way of life?

their way of life is basically a big two-fingered salute to our way of life. they don't pay taxes, don't work, don't contribute to community and culture, they have no respect for the law, they destroy our green areas and so on.

now before anyone says this is generalising all travellers, and asks for something to back this up, ask yourself do you have anything to back up that the majority of travellers are in fact good, law abiding citizens who work, pay taxes and so on? ask yourself, are the majority of the travellers you've met, encountered, saw, read or heard about really good people?

KevIRL wrote: »

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Have you anything to back up how the travelling community 'offer nothing' to society

do you have anything to back up that the travelling community do indeed offer our society? coz i sure as hell don't know what they contribute.

Woodgate

daftdave wrote: »

"i have to explain myself thoroughly in everything i say here as i was given an official boards warning for expressing my personal viewpoint in one of my previous posts on this issue"

Me too.

KevIRL

This thread seems to have gone down the same road as many others beforehand. The crux is that people state their opinion to be fact. I have no problem with people having the opinion that the majority of travellers are troublemakers, (although my opinion would be different).

The problem that I have, is when posters state matters to be FACTUAL without any facts to back this up

And I can tell you that is not the minority that is doing this. It is the MAJORITY of travellers.

they don't pay taxes, don't work, don't contribute to community and culture, they have no respect for the law, they destroy our green areas and so on.

Travellers cause havoc wherever they go, everybody knows it.

Those are just some examples from this thread of posters making statements as if they were fact with nothing to back it up. This is discrimination and making generalisations.

Now people may throw back to me "well you provide us facts as to why travellers are good people/dont break the law etc", but I dont need to. Why? Because I am not accusing anyone of anything. I am not arguing whether travellers are 'good' or 'bad' but I will argue to the hilt that in our society individuals and groups deserve to be free from discrimination and stereotyping based on sex/colour/race/nationality/ethnic background/culture.

I fervently believe that individuals should not be allowed to flout the laws of the land, and if they do so, then they should face the full consequence of the law.

Just last week there was a similar thread on this forum and the same sort of sweeping generalisations were made. It wasnt right then, and it isnt right now

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055296792

In summary. Saying something like 'I believe all travellers habitually break the law' is a statement of opinion, granted this opinion may be challenged by others. Whereas saying something like 'all travellers habitually break the law' is a statement of fact and as such such should be backed up with facts to prove it.

BBM77

Psychedelic wrote: »

please explain why we should automatically and without question respect their way of life?

their way of life is basically a big two-fingered salute to our way of life. they don't pay taxes, don't work, don't contribute to community and culture, they have no respect for the law, they destroy our green areas and so on.

now before anyone says this is generalising all travellers, and asks for something to back this up, ask yourself do you have anything to back up that the majority of travellers are in fact good, law abiding citizens who work, pay taxes and so on? ask yourself, are the majority of the travellers you've met, encountered, saw, read or heard about really good people?



do you have anything to back up that the travelling community do indeed offer our society? coz i sure as hell don't know what they contribute.

Well said Psychedelic. It drives me mad when I see these “Traveller” spokespeople on the TV; they are a million miles away from the Travellers people in the real world have to deal with. There are far to many excuses made for the criminal and anti social behaviour which is the way of life of 99% of Travellers.

longshanks

KevIRL wrote: »

This thread seems to have gone down the same road as many others beforehand. The crux is that people state their opinion to be fact. I have no problem with people having the opinion that the majority of travellers are troublemakers, (although my opinion would be different).

The problem that I have, is when posters state matters to be FACTUAL without any facts to back this up


Those are just some examples from this thread of posters making statements as if they were fact with nothing to back it up. This is discrimination and making generalisations.

Now people may throw back to me "well you provide us facts as to why travellers are good people/dont break the law etc", but I dont need to. Why? Because I am not accusing anyone of anything. I am not arguing whether travellers are 'good' or 'bad' but I will argue to the hilt that in our society individuals and groups deserve to be free from discrimination and stereotyping based on sex/colour/race/nationality/ethnic background/culture.

I fervently believe that individuals should not be allowed to flout the laws of the land, and if they do so, then they should face the full consequence of the law.

Just last week there was a similar thread on this forum and the same sort of sweeping generalisations were made. It wasnt right then, and it isnt right now

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055296792

In summary. Saying something like 'I believe all travellers habitually break the law' is a statement of opinion, granted this opinion may be challenged by others. Whereas saying something like 'all travellers habitually break the law' is a statement of fact and as such such should be backed up with facts to prove it.

and you just stated that people who claim the pavee's to be trouble (even though they have first hand experience of the said trouble) are making sweeping generalisations. the pot and the kettle, no?
and then some tripe about 'defending to the hilt' freedom of expression etc. from behind a computer screen. ooh aren't you the big che guevara. go defender, go go!!

KevIRL

longshanks wrote: »

and you just stated that people who claim the pavee's to be trouble (even though they have first hand experience of the said trouble) are making sweeping generalisations. the pot and the kettle, no?
and then some tripe about 'defending to the hilt' freedom of expression etc. from behind a computer screen. ooh aren't you the big che guevara. go defender, go go!!

Nope I said that people who claim 'all' travellers or 'the majority' of travellers without facts to back the claim up are making sweeping generalisations. If someone has had a bad experience with one traveller or a number of travellers it still does not mean that 'all' or the 'majority' can be labelled thus. As I said, its fine for someone to have this opinion (althought I would dispute the opinion)

LOL fair enough perhaps I got a bit carried away with the defending to the hilt comment, but those are my beliefs and I stand by them.

Cabaal

Psychedelic wrote: »

please explain why we should automatically and without question respect their way of life?

Why should I respect your life?

their way of life is basically a big two-fingered salute to our way of life. they don't pay taxes, don't work, don't contribute to community and culture, they have no respect for the law, they destroy our green areas and so on.

Ah good good, lets generalizing again...nice one
Since your generalizing I'm not even going to bother

now before anyone says this is generalising all travellers, and asks for something to back this up, ask yourself do you have anything to back up that the majority of travellers are in fact good, law abiding citizens who work, pay taxes and so on? ask yourself, are the majority of the travellers you've met, encountered, saw, read or heard about really good people?

If your going to generalize then your have to back it up its as simple as that,. anyone else here is saying that generalizing is unfair as not all travellers are like this....this is plain to see from life experiences.

As such if your going to generalize then back up this generalization with actual facts.

do you have anything to back up that the travelling community do indeed offer our society? coz i sure as hell don't know what they contribute.

sigh...sweeping statements again, I'm sure the Nazi's thought the same about the jews :rolleyes:

Psychedelic

Cabaal wrote: »

Why should I respect your life?

i never said you should respect my way of life. i asked why we should respect their way of life, when they clearly do not respect ours.

Cabaal wrote: »

If your going to generalize then your have to back it up its as simple as that,. anyone else here is saying that generalizing is unfair as not all travellers are like this....this is plain to see from life experiences.

As such if your going to generalize then back up this generalization with actual facts.

sigh...sweeping statements again, I'm sure the Nazi's thought the same about the jews :rolleyes:

fair enough, i'm generalising to a degree, but please answer me this:

- are the majority of the travellers you've met, encountered, saw, read or heard about really good people?

- what do the travelling community contribute to our society? i'm serious here, i honestly don't know, but if you think they do contribute, please offer some examples.

- the actual facts you look for are stated by people's first hand experiences in this and other threads. go for a drive around our city and you'll see the facts too.

sunnyse

Cabaal wrote: »

sigh...sweeping statements again, I'm sure the Nazi's thought the same about the jews :rolleyes:

I can't believe you're bringing up nazis and jews in a discussion about travellers. It is such a lazy way to put a point across. Do you really think there is any correlation between hitlers final solution and waterford peoples dislike of the habits of travellers.:rolleyes:

Cabaal

sunnyse wrote: »

I can't believe you're bringing up nazis and jews in a discussion about travellers. It is such a lazy way to put a point across. Do you really think there is any correlation between hitlers final solution and waterford peoples dislike of the habits of travellers.:rolleyes:

Sorry I apologize, let me reword some things
"yes I'm sure thats how the Nazi's viewed gypsie's"

I believe gypsie's is a fairer comparison to travelers perhaps?

Is that better, just because you don't like a race of people and personally see them as unhelpful to society doesn't mean they should be all stuck in one place or wiped out.

sunnyse

Lets look at this argument from a different prospective. Take another section of our society who live outside the norms.
For example how about litter louts.
I would like to state here I hate litter louts. There may be a minority of litter louts who live happy and productive lives but generally I think they are a boil on the arse of humanity.
So, does that make me racist, does it mean that I generalise.
I don't think so. I detest people who throw their rubbish about or dump their black bags by the side of the road.
I think they should be forced to live within the rules and regulations set by society.
I feel the same way about travellers, they are a boil on the arse of Irish society. I grew up in a council estate of 6 houses, 3 of them had travellers living in them.
The drunken fights and general lawlessness was bad enough but then they brought all their caravan dwelling cousins and relatives to live with them. I can't tell what that was like to grow up with. No-one will ever convince me that travellers"way of life" is worth saving or "protecting"
Mind you that probably puts me up there with Hitler:D:D:D:D:D

sunnyse

Cabaal wrote: »

Sorry I apologize, let me reword some things
"yes I'm sure thats how the Nazi's viewed gypsie's"

I believe gypsie's is a fairer comparison to travelers perhaps?

Is that better, just because you don't like a race of people and personally see them as unhelpful to society doesn't mean they should be all stuck in one place or wiped out.

There is no correlation between gypsies and travellers. Travellers are not a race they are a section of our own society who are unwilling to remain within the laws of that society.

Cabaal

sunnyse wrote: »

Lets look at this argument from a different prospective. Take another section of our society who live outside the norms.
For example how about litter louts.
I would like to state here I hate litter louts. There may be a minority of litter louts who live happy and productive lives but generally I think they are a boil on the arse of humanity.
So, does that make me racist, does it mean that I generalise.

Travellers are almost there own society with Language & customs etc, people that litter are not so thats hardly comparing like with like

I think they should be forced to live within the rules and regulations set by society.
I feel the same way about travellers, they are a boil on the arse of Irish society. I grew up in a council estate of 6 houses, 3 of them had travellers living in them.
The drunken fights and general lawlessness was bad enough but then they brought all their caravan dwelling cousins and relatives to live with them. I can't tell what that was like to grow up with. No-one will ever convince me that travellers"way of life" is worth saving or "protecting"

Yes and I'm sure many people on boards can say they lived or knew people that were non-travellers and lived in council houses and were complete scum, but that would be unfair to all the other people that are not scum that just happen to live in council houses.

At no point did I say all travellers were saints or all keep within the law but at the same time its wrong to label them all as the same when they are clearly not.

The majority of negative comments towards travellers here have been directed towards all travellers

sunnyse

Travellers are almost there own society with Language & customs etc, people that litter are not so thats hardly comparing like with like

I don't think they are ALMOST their own society. They don't have their own language, they have a dirivation of English called 'Cant' that is spoken in places like Tuam or Ballinasloe. It is simply a type of slang that has been created over the years.
As for their traditions, please please fill me in on the traditions of travellers that make them stand out as another society.

at the same time its wrong to label them all as the same when they are clearly not.

What do you mean by "when they are clearly not", I haven't seen any examples of their value to our society. What do you feel we should take from this valuable "society" that would improve our own??

jimmytheman

hi -- are the travellers a probelm there --- i looking at buying an appartment in crraigpharish ---- im worried because they are cheap! 147k

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makes me fel there is something dodgy ---- any advice????

longshanks

for all those who are saying the pavee's are not criminals, how do ye all feel about people who turn a blind eye to crime? everyone, at this stage must face up to the fact that at least some are criminal, and fairly blatant about it too. they get away with this because they have the backing of all the others on their sites, stretch of road, whatever. they dont ever help the garda shickaloney with any of their enquiries into traveller related crimes.
the world was horrified at the church's cover up of child abuse, brutality etc. people are equally dismissive of parents who claim they didnt know their kids were drug dealers, despite them being umemployed and driving new cars etc.
not the same i know, but folks always seem willing to back up the pikeys. why this is, is beyond me, but for all the posters on this thread backing them up here is a question to ask yourself... would you be happy if your daughter was going out with one?

KevIRL

longshanks wrote: »

for all those who are saying the pavee's are not criminals, how do ye all feel about people who turn a blind eye to crime? everyone, at this stage must face up to the fact that at least some are criminal, and fairly blatant about it too. they get away with this because they have the backing of all the others on their sites, stretch of road, whatever. they dont ever help the garda shickaloney with any of their enquiries into traveller related crimes.
the world was horrified at the church's cover up of child abuse, brutality etc. people are equally dismissive of parents who claim they didnt know their kids were drug dealers, despite them being umemployed and driving new cars etc.
not the same i know, but folks always seem willing to back up the pikeys. why this is, is beyond me, but for all the posters on this thread backing them up here is a question to ask yourself... would you be happy if your daughter was going out with one?

I'm sure some travellers do commit crimes. Just as I'm sure some lawyers/teachers/doctors/priests/unemployed people etc also commit crimes. I feel that anyone breaking the law should be punished if tried and convicted.

However I do believe it is unfair to generalise and say that all travellers or the majority of travellers commit crimes, without having some evidence to back this statement up

longshanks

KevIRL wrote: »

I'm sure some travellers do commit crimes. Just as I'm sure some lawyers/teachers/doctors/priests/unemployed people etc also commit crimes. I feel that anyone breaking the law should be punished if tried and convicted.

However I do believe it is unfair to generalise and say that all travellers or the majority of travellers commit crimes, without having some evidence to back this statement up

its not unfair, not one little bit. (i'm starting to think you just like the word generalise). an example? a friend of mine and his neighbour have dogs for hunting. the neighbour came home a couple of days ago and all his dogs were gone. it was known the pavee's were lurking in the area so my mate and a couple of his friends went to the halting site to ask questions. they were told ' nobody here will say anything but we might know someone who knows something. 200 euros.' the money was paid and my mates neighbour has his dogs back.
that shhit goes on at every halting site/encampment in the country, ask any garda that. it happens with machinery, factory or building equiptment, pets, motorbikes, outboard motors, anything they can get their hands on. why do you think they all drive vans??
by the way, my mates neighbour was lucky to get his dogs back. they often steal small dogs, cats etc, to blood hunting and fighting dogs. the ispca or the gadrdai will tell you that. its pretty well known that when they set up camp on roadsides the local pet population gets decimated.
its about time you grew a pair and admitted some shockingly obvious truths to yourself.
it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck... must be a goose, dont want to generalise

Fajitas!

Is this a thread on the travellers on the Carrickphierish Rd, or a debate on travelling communities on the whole?

Freddie59

I think the statement by Dac51, who has lived alongside the chaos that is the Lacken Road, is adequate proof for everyone here. Here is a person who has endured this - AT FIRST HAND - and yet people still cry 'prove it'.

His statement has been ignored by the PCers on this thread, always first to jump to the defence of these people. I wonder why? I would ask this of the PC brigade - how many of you have lived next to an encampment for thirty years (like Dac51) - and seen the effect on the neighbouring community? Well? Sully?

Freddie59

longshanks wrote: »

its not unfair, not one little bit. (i'm starting to think you just like the word generalise). an example? a friend of mine and his neighbour have dogs for hunting. the neighbour came home a couple of days ago and all his dogs were gone. it was known the pavee's were lurking in the area so my mate and a couple of his friends went to the halting site to ask questions. they were told ' nobody here will say anything but we might know someone who knows something. 200 euros.' the money was paid and my mates neighbour has his dogs back.
that shhit goes on at every halting site/encampment in the country, ask any garda that. it happens with machinery, factory or building equiptment, pets, motorbikes, outboard motors, anything they can get their hands on. why do you think they all drive vans??
by the way, my mates neighbour was lucky to get his dogs back. they often steal small dogs, cats etc, to blood hunting and fighting dogs. the ispca or the gadrdai will tell you that. its pretty well known that when they set up camp on roadsides the local pet population gets decimated.
its about time you grew a pair and admitted some shockingly obvious truths to yourself.
it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck... must be a goose, dont want to generalise

That just about covers it. Reality.

Cabaal

Freddie59 wrote: »

I think the statement by Dac51, who has lived alongside the chaos that is the Lacken Road, is adequate proof for everyone here. Here is a person who has endured this - AT FIRST HAND - and yet people still cry 'prove it'.

His statement has been ignored by the PCers on this thread, always first to jump to the defence of these people. I wonder why? I would ask this of the PC brigade - how many of you have lived next to an encampment for thirty years (like Dac51) - and seen the effect on the neighbouring community? Well? Sully?

Hang on their, my family ran a pub and shop for years and we had awful trouble anytime travellers came to town and took over the local car park and made an awful mess....however there are about two traveller familys that setup shop just outside the town and they don't bother anyone.

They still have there vans and there dogs but they keep the place tidy and infact they;ve even helped out setting and watering plants near where they live, anyone that tells me that these people deserve to be treated as criminals unless there';s actual proof that they've done anything wrong deserves a kick up the arse.

I've seen the affects of what travellers can do first hand from working in the business but I still wouldn't be so short sighted as to tar all of them with the same brush.

If that was the case I'd think anyone that came from the likes of balleybeg are cheap skates, liars & a scumbag just because over the years I;'ve met such people but on the same side of things I've met some lovely people from such places so I judge each person as I meet them...generalizing is just bloody retarded

Its clear this thread has turned into a debate on travelling communities on the whole and its even more clear that some people within this thread will just continue to be short sighted but sure thats their loss in life so its no bother to me

On a on-topic note, if they are illegal parked on the Carrickphierish Road then they need to be moved on...the same as anyone else, if they;ve littered they need to be fined...the same as anyone else.

dazftw

Fajitas! wrote: »

Is this a thread on the travellers on the Carrickphierish Rd, or a debate on travelling communities on the whole?

Yea I think im the only person on here that has to deal with them living by my house. I really dont like them in general there just a nuisance and they litter, walk up the carrickphierish road and you'll see the crap just down in the grass. Theres good and bad ones like just more so bad ones.

Anyway there gone now, or atleast there gone from that end of the road.. There digging up the road again I think it made them move!

CantGetNoSleep

i think its time for a seperate forum for giving out about the gyppos

And what about a poll: have you ever had a positive experience with a kna*ker?

Choices may as well be a) no b) most certainly f*cking not and c) yes-i'm one of those pavee point types who blindly defends travellers (and roma gypsies now too) for robbing people, breaking litter laws, parking wherever the f*ck they want and many more

Freddie59

Cabaal wrote: »

Hang on their, my family ran a pub and shop for years and we had awful trouble anytime travellers came to town and took over the local car park and made an awful mess....however there are about two traveller familys that setup shop just outside the town and they don't bother anyone.

They still have there vans and there dogs but they keep the place tidy and infact they;ve even helped out setting and watering plants near where they live, anyone that tells me that these people deserve to be treated as criminals unless there';s actual proof that they've done anything wrong deserves a kick up the arse.

I've seen the affects of what travellers can do first hand from working in the business but I still wouldn't be so short sighted as to tar all of them with the same brush.

If that was the case I'd think anyone that came from the likes of balleybeg are cheap skates, liars & a scumbag just because over the years I;'ve met such people but on the same side of things I've met some lovely people from such places so I judge each person as I meet them...generalizing is just bloody retarded

Its clear this thread has turned into a debate on travelling communities on the whole and its even more clear that some people within this thread will just continue to be short sighted but sure thats their loss in life so its no bother to me

On a on-topic note, if they are illegal parked on the Carrickphierish Road then they need to be moved on...the same as anyone else, if they;ve littered they need to be fined...the same as anyone else.

OK Cabaal. I think we're all in agreement that ALL trvellers are not as described. Now it's a case of percentages. In my case my positive experiences would be in low, single figures. Having been threatened with having my head opened with a concrete kerbstone you can probably understand where I'm coming from.;)

The reality is that they dump where they like - when they like. And appear to be answerable to nobody. Amazingly, there never appears to be string of caravans (or even one) parked on the way to the Willamstown Halting site. Is there a reason that bye-laws are enforced here and not on the Carrickphierish Road?

And then an image is painted of an underprivileged people, marginalised by society.:rolleyes: Yeah, of course they are.......

The Halting Site at Kilbarry has been rebuilt (at enormous cost) twice (or is it three) times. Have you been to see it lately. It is like the aftermath of a natural disaster. Then cousin Jimmy and co are strung out along the Ballybeg Link Road - with no-one even botering to ove them on.

And people wonder why the majority of the population have a downer on them?

Cabaal

Freddie59 wrote: »

OK Cabaal. I think we're all in agreement that ALL trvellers are not as described. Now it's a case of percentages. In my case my positive experiences would be in low, single figures. Having been threatened with having my head opened with a concrete kerbstone you can probably understand where I'm coming from.;)

Fair enough, just didn't think it was far to tar them as all the same

The reality is that they dump where they like - when they like. And appear to be answerable to nobody. Amazingly, there never appears to be string of caravans (or even one) parked on the way to the Willamstown Halting site. Is there a reason that bye-laws are enforced here and not on the Carrickphierish Road?

The law should apply to them and the Gardai need to enforce these laws, perhaps its worth getting loads of people to keep ringing the Gardai about the illegal parking/camping thats going on?

And then an image is painted of an underprivileged people, marginalised by society.:rolleyes: Yeah, of course they are.......

Some are and some are not, the one's with the 08 vans and BMW's are clearly not

The Halting Site at Kilbarry has been rebuilt (at enormous cost) twice (or is it three) times. Have you been to see it lately. It is like the aftermath of a natural disaster. Then cousin Jimmy and co are strung out along the Ballybeg Link Road - with no-one even botering to ove them on.

And people wonder why the majority of the population have a downer on them?

Need been out in Kilbarry for a long time I think so coudn't comment on what it looks like, perhaps when they rebuilt the halting site they should have started charging them rent for it to keep it maintained?

Freddie59

Honestly, Cabaal - just take a spin out. Then you'll see why people get so infuriated with them. It's an eye opener.

Dac51

KevIRL wrote: »

This thread seems to have gone down the same road as many others beforehand. The crux is that people state their opinion to be fact. I have no problem with people having the opinion that the majority of travellers are troublemakers, (although my opinion would be different).

The problem that I have, is when posters state matters to be FACTUAL without any facts to back this up







Those are just some examples from this thread of posters making statements as if they were fact with nothing to back it up. This is discrimination and making generalisations.

Now people may throw back to me "well you provide us facts as to why travellers are good people/dont break the law etc", but I dont need to. Why? Because I am not accusing anyone of anything. I am not arguing whether travellers are 'good' or 'bad' but I will argue to the hilt that in our society individuals and groups deserve to be free from discrimination and stereotyping based on sex/colour/race/nationality/ethnic background/culture.

I fervently believe that individuals should not be allowed to flout the laws of the land, and if they do so, then they should face the full consequence of the law.

Just last week there was a similar thread on this forum and the same sort of sweeping generalisations were made. It wasnt right then, and it isnt right now

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055296792

In summary. Saying something like 'I believe all travellers habitually break the law' is a statement of opinion, granted this opinion may be challenged by others. Whereas saying something like 'all travellers habitually break the law' is a statement of fact and as such such should be backed up with facts to prove it.

The first example you gave was a comment I posted. I am insulted that you say my comment is a generalisation. Did you not read my post? I have lived adjacent to travellers for the last 32 years of my life. I can back up every comment I made and state them as fact, not generalisations. I have first hand experience of how these people live. Do you?

Of course I do not label every traveller as a criminal or scumbag. There are decent travellers out there who wouldn't bother anybody but I'm afraid the majority have no regards for the law of the land. I would recommend as others already have, for some of the posters here to drive out to the Ballybeg Link Road and the Kilbarry halting site and have a look at the state of the place. Would this be accepted in any other part of the city (as I have asked some city councillors numerous times)?

smaoifs

jimmytheman wrote: »

hi -- are the travellers a probelm there --- i looking at buying an appartment in crraigpharish ---- im worried because they are cheap! 147k

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makes me fel there is something dodgy ---- any advice????

They're along every couple of weeks, sometimes at the Mount Suir end of the road on either side, less often at the Old Kilmeaden Road end. They're gone (for now) as the road is being dug up and made a mess of again (lost count of how many times this year!). You'll probably find that the bigger nuisance. Seems to be a monthly rotation of digging a hole and sticking traffic lights either side of it to cover a distance that you wouldn't travel overtaking another car.

dazftw

Yea its a nice place to live, you hear/see nothing from the travellers that have the small housing estate thats on the same road. Only thing is its far from town if you have to walk and its a pain coming back all uphill..