Indiana Jones KOTCS

Matt Santos

Saw this today and I had to post about it.
I could not believe how aged Harrison Ford is in this! I know that he is in his middle sixties but he is really struggling to pull this one off.
The start was a little weak and when our hero first talks it sounds a little "over acted". It is slow enough to get moving but then it takes off and travels at a pretty good pace.
I think Shia LeBeouf steals a lot of scenes and really is super star stuff now.
I will say no more till a few have seen it and have commented also.

kaimera

**** Matt, overall is it good? Better than tLC ?
I've to wait another god damn week to get home to see it.

TinCool

I'm off to a midnight showing at my local VUE tonight. Can't wait. Anyone else going this evening ?

TC

jd83

cant wait to see this hope it lives up to the previous films

robby^5

It wont.

Nothing can top raiders.

Sad Professor

If it's as good as the two sequels I'll be happy.

SP

Red Hand

TinCool wrote: »

I'm off to a midnight showing at my local VUE tonight. Can't wait. Anyone else going this evening ?

TC

You lucky devil!

What's a VUE?

Sad Professor

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

What's a VUE?

A cinema. Afaik the only one in Ireland is in Liffey Valley, Dublin. Loads in the UK though.

SP

johnny_ultimate

Four midnight showings in Cineworld Parnell Street too.
Not for me though. I'll be hitting up the 10.10 showing in the morning instead. Can't wait.

Sanjuro

1.30pm tomorrow, screen 1, The Savoy. I'm surprisingly calm about it... for now!

TinCool

I saw it last night. There's some great sequences in it particularly in the first half but it just didn't feel like an Indiana Jones movie. It lacked atmosphere and the chemistry between the characters was simply not there.

I've put spoilers in. I haven't given away any of the story or described any sequences. Read if you will.

John Williams music

just seemed to go through the motions, all the themes from Raiders and a couple from Last Crusade were all there but I felt it didn't gel as you associate them with the previous movies. However,

Harrison is great in it and still looks the part.

Karen Allen was, to be honest pretty dire and the jokes were very strained at times.

There was one particular action sequence with Mutt which was

blatantly CG (think of Matrix and Neo fighting all the Mr Smiths) and detracted from the movie

.

The actual story line

was rather far fetched even for an Indiana Jones flick. It just wasn't potentially believable.

The sets were fantastic and there was no expense spared.

May be I'm being overly critical. It was a really good action flick and I'm off to see it again tonight without any pre-conceptions so I can sit back and enjoy it for what it is.

Raiders is still the best.

Cheers,
TC

faceman

7:15 for me. i will let you know its crap and save you going to the midnight showing!!

Matt Santos

Ok I will concede that point. It is a progression of the Indiana character and they do bow to the fact that he is indeed older and obviously less active than in past excursions.
Did you think that the start was a little dis-jointed? It seemed to be going one way and then swung another. I still think that Indys first words seem funny in terms of accent or something.
I agree also that Lucas has had way too much influence in the way the story was portrayed and belief is REALLY suspended in some points.

tylerdurden94

I feel so let down Im a big Shia LeBeouf fan but i just thought he was awful in this, as for Georg Lucas he should take a very long walk off a very short cliff.

MooseJam

just back from watching it myself, ah it's passable entertainment but doesn't hold a candle to the other Indiana flics, like someone else said didn't have the atmosphere and it was way too far fetched, could of done with being a bit more serious too, it gave me the impression of being a light hearted play.

~Marky~

Wtf that was one of the worst films I have ever seen in my life :mad: I wish I could get a refund.

arcade1

awful, just awful, george lucas must be smoking crack or something, i cant belive after 19 years that was the best they could do. so many things wrong with it.

Roar

i really, really enjoyed it. had to suspend disbelief almost from the get go, but it was a small price to pay for the most fun i've had at a film in ages. the plot is nonsense, but every time i heard the main theme i got gooesebumps and i felt like a kid again. i had a big dopey grin on my face for the whole thing.

and i think that was the whole point of it. to enjoy it, to have fun, and to realise that it's just a movie

johnny_ultimate

I thought it was fantastic fun. Its an Indy film, and even though it is ridiculous, thats the point. Loved pretty much every minute, despite concerns. Like the Anti-Episode 1.

doubledown

I came out of this film tonight in a daze.

I didn't like it but now that I'm home I have changed my mind - I HATED IT.

Sorry Steven but this is one of your worst films. The whole thing felt very sloppy and uneven. The action was flat and uninspired.

George, you have completely lost all reason. I will defend Star Wars movies until I'm blue in the face but is this really the best you cold come up with after 19 years!!!???!!!

Harrison, I felt sorry for you. You tried but the magic just was not there.

Awful plot, terrible script, weird pacing, over use of CGI, uninteresting characters.

Embarrassing, unengaging and worst of all - unnecessary.

The Indiana Jones movies will always be a trilogy to me.

Sorry guys and gals, but despite a few brief moments, this is a bad film.

Oh well.

JangoFett

I really liked it, ok, the storyline with the

aliens

was a bit far fetched but if you think about it there are so many theories that

aliens

did help with the building of early human civilisation so I actually liked that this is the angle they took on this one.

I thought Ford was brilliant, playing the Older Indy but I think he still had the magic, the quips, the fighting, the whip...the hating tof the reds

His first line..."Russians"...in the same disdain he said "Nazis" in previous films!!

The action was great, the comedy was excellent and the ending was actually good!

Only thing was the amount of CGI...but considering the storyline I guess they were gonna use it anyway

I'm totally gonna be buying the 4 movie boxset...I didn't buy the trilogy cuz I knew a 4th was coming

faceman

Well im restrained from commenting in this last night and waited till i had a level head today.

For me the film didnt capture the magic. Maybe our expectations were high, but its just didnt wash.

Harrison did his best as Indy and tbh i cant really knock him. The script he had was dire. It lacked the witty comedy of the previous films with many of the jokes nods to previous films rather than something.

The plot was barmy.

aliens, wtf?

Many of the set pieces were poor imitations of the previous films.

The effects were poor, CGI the whole way.

The film is a bit of fun but depending on how much you cherish the previous films will determine your entertainment level. To many of us, Indy is an icon of our generation.

however if i take my indy fanboy hat off and view it as a standalone film how does it rate? Well its still a bit of fun. But it will be soon forgotten in the same vane as The mummy returns.

BlitzKrieg

But it will be soon forgotten in the same vane as The mummy returns.

speaking of the mummy

http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/themummytombofthedragonemperor/


meh.


Holding off watching Indy until I can with my mum, she's a big fan of the series.

Cactus Col

I really enjoyed it. I think people are being far too harsh on the plot the

aliens

are no more far fetched then the Ark of the Covenant, or the Holy Grail.

I think you have to go in with a good amount of good will to really enjoy the film. There is a sequence with Mutt that was a bit too cgi for my tastes. But overall I really did enjoy the film.

Also

It too me a moment to realise that Mutt had taken the name of a dog just like his father! Thought that was a nice touch.

I do think some people are being overly critical and are not judging it fairly, even when they compare it to the old indy films they forget that they first saw those through the eyes of a child.

johnny_ultimate

Cactus Col wrote: »

I really enjoyed it. I think people are being far too harsh on the plot the

aliens

are no more far fetched then the Ark of the Covenant, or the Holy Grail.

Thats my view on the plot too. It may be a step up in terms of nutiness, but I think people forget how supernatural the older ones were.

I still think that the alien or 'inter-dimensional beings' aspect was highly apt: its set in the 50s, and space race concerns were at the forefront of society, so I think the crystal skull a very relevant MacGuffin indeed

. I'm not denying that is ludicrous to the extreme, but I myself don't really consider it a problem.

And we all know Spielberg is obsessed with aliens: we could probably criticise Close Encounters and ET for the same reasons

JangoFett

Totally agree, AND ancient civilisations are laden with references to "those things"

Fizman

This was shockingly bad. I went with 5 mates and they all agreed. Some of the acting is genuinely cringeworthy (particularly that of the woman who is Indys love interest/former fiance). The plot, without trying to be overly-critical, was utter horsesh1te. I thought there were very few genuinely funny moments in it (something that normally rescues a thin plot) and those that existed barely merited a giggle!

I can't say I have seen all the previous films in their entirity so I was fairly open minded and optimistic going to this, going merely as a result of the hype/indy culture that seemed to capture so many imaginations in the past. I can only imagine how genuine fans must feel after this! George Lucas, time to hang up you space boots I think!

Jesus its been a bad film week for me, having sat through Southland Tales on monday night! (Avoid at all costs).

MooseJam

guess it's a love it or hate it so

The Real B-man

Started off ok then just got very far fetched near the end some of the cgi is ridiculous

Basq

Might be wrong here but did I read somewhere that Frank Darabont also wrote a draft of a script for Indy IV? And while Spielberg loved it, Lucas hated it and they went with a rewrite by someone else.

Darabont's script might have been interesting!

faceman

Fizman wrote: »

This was shockingly bad. I went with 5 mates and they all agreed. Some of the acting is genuinely cringeworthy (particularly that of the woman who is Indys love interest/former fiance). The plot, without trying to be overly-critical, was utter horsesh1te. I thought there were very few genuinely funny moments in it (something that normally rescues a thin plot) and those that existed barely merited a giggle!

That's Karen Allen and she was in Raiders. IMO she was the best of all the female characters in the original 3 films.

TinCool

faceman wrote: »

That's Karen Allen and she was in Raiders. IMO she was the best of all the female characters in the original 3 films.

She certainly was the best from the original 3 but she was positively muck in this one.

basquille

basquille wrote: »

Might be wrong here but did I read somewhere that Frank Darabont also wrote a draft of a script for Indy IV? And while Spielberg loved it, Lucas hated it and they went with a rewrite by someone else.

Darabont's script might have been interesting!

The story is that Darabont's script was too good. Spielberg called it one of the finest screenplays he'd ever read and the everyone involved loved it except for Lucas. In it Indy had a brother whom was going to be played by Kevin Costner and rather than rely on one liners Darabont's script relied on dialogue.

Lucas, like Paul W Anderson, Guy Ritchie and John Carpenter should not be allowed to write their own films. They're directors not writers and should remember that.

I went last night and took two of my younger brothers and while I enjoyed it, it's not a patch on any of the other films. My youngest brother said that while Iron Man flew by, KotCS dragged.

BlitzKrieg

Lucas, like Paul W Anderson, Guy Ritchie and John Carpenter should not be allowed to write their own films. They're directors not writers and should remember that.

Lucas is not even a director! He's good at one thing and thats producing, he should stick to it, the world would be alot better if he produced more films, but didnt write or direct them. Not sure about the rest, Guy Richie I agree should stick away from writing, but I dont know whats John Carpenter's problem really. I dont know which Paul Anderson you are talking about.

BlitzKrieg

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

Lucas is not even a director! He's good at one thing and thats producing, he should stick to it, the world would be alot better if he produced more films, but didnt write or direct them. Not sure about the rest, Guy Richie I agree should stick away from writing, but I dont know whats John Carpenter's problem really. I dont know which Paul Anderson you are talking about.

The Paul Anderson I refer to is the man whom gave us Resident Evil and Aliens Vs Predator, not P.T. Anderson whom ranks as one of the greatest living film makers of our time. I like him as a director but the man is not a writer. Look at Death Race, early screenings are all positive with many genre sites really liking it and comparing it to the excellent Event Horizon, neither of which he wrote. As for Carpenter I think he just realised that his name was a brand and that merely attaching it to a film was enough.

BlitzKrieg

Paul W.S Anderson has a talent...that talent is that a studio will hand him a piece of intellectual property and he will get it produced underbudget and within the allocated time and to the standard they request (see: PG13).

he was made to be a producer.

problem is, part of his corner cutting includes multi-tasking a few roles (such as writing and directing) and also he tends to give what the studio wants not the viewer.

I'd love to have him as my producer, but I wouldnt for the love of a deity let him near a script or camera.

krudler

SPOILERS

i dont get the big deal about why having

aliens

in it? its a movie set during the 50s, like the originals were set in the 30s and based on republic serials, this focussed on

the reds, ufos and nuclear testing

and how is that more implausible than a box with the power of god in it, magic rocks and cup that makes you immortal?

johnny_ultimate

Deleted User wrote: »

Lucas, like Paul W Anderson, Guy Ritchie and John Carpenter should not be allowed to write their own films. They're directors not writers and should remember that.

I'd agree with Blitzkrieg that he's more of a producer than a director: I think Indiana I-IV are his finest hours (yeah, better than Star Wars), and he produced them rather than directed, leaving it in the hands of Spielberg who has proven himself on many occasions indeed. I think people tend to forget that he didn't even direct Empire and Jedi: hence, since his early glory days he hasn't made a single film of note. Episode III was OK and a big improvememnt of the first two, but hardly mindblowing. I'd go as far as saying that the man has this mythical persona that came from somewhere, but since he hasn't proven himself in the best part of three decades, people should really stop expecting him to direct something decent.

johnny_ultimate

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I'd agree with Blitzkrieg that he's more of a producer than a director: I think Indiana I-IV are his finest hours (yeah, better than Star Wars), and he produced them rather than directed, leaving it in the hands of Spielberg who has proven himself on many occasions indeed. I think people tend to forget that he didn't even direct Empire and Jedi: hence, since his early glory days he hasn't made a single film of note. Episode III was OK and a big improvememnt of the first two, but hardly mindblowing. I'd go as far as saying that the man has this mythical persona that came from somewhere, but since he hasn't proven himself in the best part of three decades, people should really stop expecting him to direct something decent.

It was when watching THX1138 the other night that I thought Lucas really is a competent and entertaining director. Of the Star Wars films, Empire is the best and given Lucas's lack of involvement really makes one question his ability. He is a great producer but I can't help wonder what he could do if given a decent script which he wasn't allowed to alter to suit his own whims.

johnny_ultimate

Deleted User wrote: »

It was when watching THX1138 the other night that I thought Lucas really is a competent and entertaining director. Of the Star Wars films, Empire is the best and given Lucas's lack of involvement really makes one question his ability. He is a great producer but I can't help wonder what he could do if given a decent script which he wasn't allowed to alter to suit his own whims.

He reminds me of contemporary Woody Allen. Everyone keeps yelling stop, leave our memories alone!

But no, they just keep going.

MooseJam

what was lucas' role in this film, why is everyone going on about him

johnny_ultimate

MooseJam wrote: »

what was lucas' role in this film, why is everyone going on about him

He's the producer. He produced things and so forth. And also vetoed an earlier script, as Basquille pointed out.

johnny_ultimate

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

He reminds me of contemporary Woody Allen. Everyone keeps yelling stop, leave our memories alone!

But no, they just keep going.

At least Allen hasn't constantly re-edited his films in a bid to make more money. After Allen's death everything he made after the 80s should be deleted for prosperity.

MooseJam wrote: »

what was lucas' role in this film, why is everyone going on about him

Lucas produced and was one of two parties involved in writing the script. He also threw out Frank Darabont's screenplay which was acknowledged by many as being a fantastic piece of work.

Sanjuro

I have posted my, somewhat long-winded review on my website. Too much to type in here. But when it comes to a new Indiana Jones film, you cant be anything but meticulous.

Sad Professor

Yeah I'd love to read Darabont's script. In subsequent interviews he seemed pretty damn pissed at Lucas for vetoing it. And they used to be friends. Darabont's scripts can be a bit too talky which probably explains why Lucas didn't like it. But anything would be better than the CGI-set-piece-fest that was KOTCS.

Why the hell does Spielberg keep hiring David Koepp? The guy's a hack! I mean, okay, stringing together disparate set-pieces must be pretty challenging but beyond that I don't see a lot of talent there. His character writing is piss poor. Yet Spielberg praises him.

Where is Larry Kasdan when you need him?

SP

Sad Professor

Sad Professor wrote: »

Where is Larry Kasdan when you need him?

Working on Clash of the Titans for Stephen Norrington.

magick

any scene from the old Indiana Jones movies > this entire monkey swinging blingy skull Space ship CGI infested f*ckity f*ck

Mr E

I dug up a big long definition of "Jumping the Shark" for the TV Awards this year. After today, I think I'll shorten it to "See Indiana Jones KOTCS"

That fridge scene near the start, and the tarzan bit in the middle were so ridiculous they were unbelievable. The fridge was lead-lined, but did it have airbags too? Jesus Christ....

Mildly entertaining overall, but the magic is definitely gone.

CuLT

It was entertaining enough, but most of the film was just references to previous films. I went to see a new Indiana Jones film, not a tribute to the old ones. A lot of very obvious, unnecessary CG, cringe inducing script and a poorly delivered MacGuffin.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the alien aspect really, but it was handled so tragically poorly that there was no atmosphere

. The Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail are iconic,

a crystal alien skull is not.

Full of nods and winks and elbows and not a lot else. A George Lucas film by the numbers.

irishthump

I don't think I have ever been more disappointed in movie in my life!
Even though I had talked myself into not expecting too much from Indy 4, it still fell woefully short of the mark.

One scene in particular, no need for spoiler alerts anyone who has scene the movie will know which one I'm talking about, actually had me shouting "No, no, no!" at the screen. I sh*t you not, my wife actually turned and laughed at me! If it was'nt for the fact that my 3 kids were also with us I probably would have walked out of the theatre.

L31mr0d

I actually really liked this movie.

I think the point some here are missing is that this movie doesn't seem to of been made for the original Indie generation, but for the generation that never experienced Indiana Jones.

Recently I've been trying to rewatch movies from my childhood which in my mind where some of the best movies ever made, movies like the Goonies, labyrinth, flight of the navigator, the never ending story... etc. What I'm realizing is time is no healer and watching them again now with my older critical eye, nostalgia aside, they really aren't that good. So I've stopped lest I ruin all the movies from my childhood.

15 years from now, the 12 year olds that watched this Indiana Jones movie will be talking about it with fondness like we do about the fantasy movies from our childhoods.

IMO, this Indiana Jones movie is a welcome addition to the series. It continued on with the sense of adventure, mystery and the discovery of great treasures that has made all of us, as children, love Indiana Jones.