Kidney appointed!

shoutman

Sky sports is reporting that Declan Kidney is the new man at the helm of the Irish team.

Hardly a surprise.

Blured

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/?c=rugby&jp=mhgbausnmhcw

No real surprise, wonder how they feel about this in Munster

dc69

expected but what a load of **********,stupid decision for Ireland and Munster.


On a side note,the only reason he ist going to coach the tour is because we are gona get such a hammering.Plenty of time

is_that_so

Obvious choice. He deserves a shot at it for his service but it still does not address the failings of the paymasters themselves. We might get some decent results out of him but will Irish rugby all round be better off in 4 years as a result? Not 100% sure about that.

ozt9vdujny3srf

Whatever you think about his style of coaching, his CV is pretty impressive. I think along with a good backroom staff this could be quite a good appointment.

Blured

Michael Bradley to Munster now?

marco_polo

Blured wrote: »

Michael Bradley to Munster now?

If it was soley up the IRFU probably, I assume that the Munster Branch will have a big say in it, so who knows.

Personally I hope not.

quagmire69

hope it works out as he does deserve job. Hopefully not eddie lite.

davyjose

From one idiot to the next. I now officially don't give a f**k anymore. The IRFU aren't worth the stress.

Diamondmaker

Not sure how I feel about this. Good on paper but maybe not so in reality.

However one would have to assume that some players were consulted in one way or another and I dont think his leaving Leinster could really be held against him too much ( in a rational mind).

Most players / coaches would have taken a similar opportunity to go home to coach / play for a promising team...

Ginger

Also on the munster site

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/19_8175.php

dc69

Diamondmaker wrote: »

Not sure how I feel about this. Good on paper but maybe not so in reality.

However one would have to assume that some players were consulted in one way or another and I dont think his leaving Leinster could really be held against him too much ( in a rational mind).

Most players / coaches would have taken a similar opportunity to go home to coach / play for a promising team...

If thats the case,that munster were a promising team and he felt Leinster werent up for it and ditched them.Doesnt say much for Ireland chances on an international stage!

Amz

Really not sure how I feel about his appointment. For the team's sake I hope he's good. I'll wait and see before making any judgements.

Diamondmaker

Thats some excuse, he is coaching a game in a week and therefore cannot take the tour in just under 2 months.

Hes been given a holiday as part of his negotiations they were so desperate to give him the job.
Its a waste of a tour sending them without the incumbent coach, regardless of who it was......a Joke !

DarkJager

Munster are heading to the Heineken Cup Final...again. Thats all that needs to be said about Declans abilities as a coach.

Diamondmaker

dc69 wrote: »

If thats the case,that munster were a promising team and he felt Leinster werent up for it and ditched them.Doesnt say much for Ireland chances on an international stage!

Thats not what I meant...of any 2 promising teams ...its not unfair to pick the team that allows you go home with and to family..

Diamondmaker

DarkJager wrote: »

Munster are heading to the Heineken Cup Final...again. Thats all that needs to be said about Declans abilities as a coach.

I dont think many would question that, but more his suitability to coach ireland right now is in question and take us forward.

Of course he is a good coach and any one who says other wise has got to be talking sh1t regardless of allegiences. As has been said look at his record.

Jigsaw

He is clearly a very accomplished coach. I think the best thing to do now is to get behind him and give him as much support as possible and have a bit less of the cranky auld scepticism that is seen all too often round here. If he f**ks up the bring out the riot act but until then give the poor bugger a chance!!!

dc69

Jigsaw wrote: »

If he f**ks up the bring out the riot act but until then give the poor bugger a chance!!!

no!

LostinBlanch

Good luck to him, hope he does well.

Crash

Aye was and guess still am opposed to him being made coach, but decisions made, so all I can do is get behind it I suppose. The appointments of the backroom staff will be of huge interest, to see what kind of setup we'll have going into the autumns.

I would be interested to find out how long his contract is for though.

Eoin

Jigsaw wrote: »

I think the best thing to do now is to get behind him and give him as much support as possible and have a bit less of the cranky auld scepticism that is seen all too often round here. If he f**ks up the bring out the riot act but until then give the poor bugger a chance!!!

I have to agree - the decision's made, so hopefully those of us who didn't agree with it will be proven wrong. I think it's going to have to get worse before it gets better though, so hopefully he will get a bit of grace.

çrash_000 wrote: »

I would be interested to find out how long his contract is for though.

I think it said up to and including the 2011 RWC

Crash

Yeah it is, just saw that on the breakingnews article.

Trojan

I hope they put some clauses in to kick to touch if he doesn't get results. We don't need another EOS contract fiasco.

Size=everything

Kidney = EOS minus the backline.


No new ideas. Nothing.


More of the same it would seem.

Very disappointed.

thehighground

dc69 wrote: »

If thats the case,that munster were a promising team and he felt Leinster werent up for it and ditched them.Doesnt say much for Ireland chances on an international stage!

What are you talking about - Kidney went back to Munster to be near his dying mother (who died 6 months later) - nothing to do with how good Leinster were. Leinster did win all their pool HCup games with him coaching, you know! Don't think Munster have ever done that.

thehighground

Diamondmaker wrote: »

Thats some excuse, he is coaching a game in a week and therefore cannot take the tour in just under 2 months.

Hes been given a holiday as part of his negotiations they were so desperate to give him the job.
Its a waste of a tour sending them without the incumbent coach, regardless of who it was......a Joke !

He is presently coaching a team that is playing a European Cup Final 3 days before Ireland are due to play the Baa Baas (which none of the Munster players will be available for).

I'm pretty sure the players concerned would like to know if they are going to NZ/Oz or to the Churchill Cup as well.

Of course, he could just select the Munster team and bring along a few others as spares such as BOD, Shaggy & Luuke, I suppose as he won't be able to have a look at anyone else other than Munster players and Toulouse tabes in the next couple of weeks.

Sherifu

Good luck to him.

Blured

thehighground wrote: »

Of course, he could just select the Munster team and bring along a few others as spares such as BOD, Shaggy & Luuke, I suppose as he won't be able to have a look at anyone else other than Munster players and Toulouse tabes in the next couple of weeks.

Are you suggesting that Kidney has no previous knowledge of Irish rugby players not currently playing in Munster? Has he not watched any Leinster/Ulster/Connaught games? Did he not watch the RWC or the Six Nations?

ven0m

What a sham & a disappointment ... they appoint someone who has no interest in developing Irish back-play & who's first instinct is to go for Kiwi players .......

Kidney is the wrong man for the job - yet again the nitwits in Lansdowne get it arseways ........ they needed someone from outside the IRFU circle to shake things up, & to instill some sense of discpline into our national team, cos christknows they need it!

It is right up there with england appointing Martin johnson in terms of idiocy.



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marco_polo

davyjose wrote: »

From one idiot to the next. I now officially don't give a f**k anymore. The IRFU aren't worth the stress.

Declan Kidney is an idiot? :rolleyes:

You are entitled to have reservations about the appointment. But his record at club level speaks for itself and he certainly deserves far better than to be called an idiot by the likes of you.

wixfjord

The new smilie :rolleyes: just doesnt do justice to the stupidity involved in calling declan kidney an idiot! I call for a banning! :eek:

Tim Robbins

wixfjord wrote: »

The new smilie :rolleyes: just doesnt do justice to the stupidity involved in calling declan kidney an idiot! I call for a banning! :eek:

Kidney's big thing is playing to all this chip on the shoulder pyschology. It works in Munster, but I can't see it working with the x - pats, the Ulster or Leinster players. In fact in Leinster, he was a disaster as a coach. Not one player improved, in fact several left, he made major tactical errors and had Contemponi on the bench for most of the season.

A few Irish players are at the end of their careers. Most noticeably ROG. I think Kidney will really struggle without a field kicker in his team.

thehighground

ven0m wrote: »

What a sham & a disappointment ... they appoint someone who has no interest in developing Irish back-play & who's first instinct is to go for Kiwi players .......

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Very delayed first instinct I would think - DK first started coaching Munster in '98. Christian Cullen was brought into Munster by Alan Gaffney; Mafi is here 2 years Tipoki & Howlett less than 6 months! Don't let the facts get in the way of a good whinge there.

Now, tell me who has coached Ireland's Nos 9 & 10 since they were playing for the under 8s? And coached Leinster born players (Hurley & Dowling) to be more than likely playing in a HCup final in a couple of weeks?

Size=everything

thehighground wrote: »

Of course, he could just select the Munster team and bring along a few others as spares such as BOD, Shaggy & Luuke, I suppose as he won't be able to have a look at anyone else other than Munster players and Toulouse tabes in the next couple of weeks.

I would like to think Kidney has at least some notion of what is going on outside of Munster because there are a lot of players outside of Munster that deserve their place in the Irish set up ahead of a lot of the Munster team

Size=everything

thehighground wrote: »

Very delayed first instinct I would think - DK first started coaching Munster in '98. Christian Cullen was brought into Munster by Alan Gaffney; Mafi is here 2 years Tipoki & Howlett less than 6 months! Don't let the facts get in the way of a good whinge there.

Now, tell me who has coached Ireland's Nos 9 & 10 since they were playing for the under 8s? And coached Leinster born players (Hurley & Dowling) to be more than likely playing in a HCup final in a couple of weeks?

and who left two promising talents in Murphy and Lewis to rot

Worrytahs

RickyHatton wrote: »

and who left two promising talents in Murphy and Lewis to rot

Murphy has been plagued by injury and is actually injured again.
Lewis is behind in the pecking order for a centre spot. Such is life.

Some fairly strange views indeed on Declan Kidney's appointment here in these threads.........

Podge_irl

Diamondmaker wrote: »

However one would have to assume that some players were consulted in one way or another and I dont think his leaving Leinster could really be held against him too much ( in a rational mind).

I don't think anyone had an issue with him going home to Munster, however how he did it left an awful lot to be desired.



I genuinely don't think Kidney is going to favour Munster players in general, but he certainly does seem to have his favourites. He is fairly similar to EOS in squad and team selections, so those who had a problem with them before are probably not going to be more impressed with Kidney.

Amazotheamazing

While Kidney has his faults, he is the best Irish candidate for the job. Four HEC finals with Munster, there's no-one else from Ireland with his record.

That being said, he isn't all sweetness and light, he does tend to favour players and if he doesn't like you as a player, you're finished.

Btw, people who still slate him for leaving Leinster should put themselves in his position, his mother was dying and he was needed by her side.

the fnj

This is the right decision, he is the second most successful coach in Heineken Cup history, (behind Guy Noves). How anyone can suggest he doesn't deserve a shot is beyond comprehension.
What would it say about the IRFU if they appointed anybody else? Declan Kidney is an outstanding domestic based candidate, he has to be given the job. What incentive would there be to other Irish coaches if they watched him passed up for this. Would you prefer the job to be handed to a second rate Southern Hemisphere coach? I'd love to hear better suggestions?

Bad coaches don't consistently take teams into the knock out stages of the Heineken Cup,
Bad coaches don't have almost perfect home records.
Bad coaches don't motivate teams time and time again to pull out the big performances when they're really needed.

Everyone talks about the Munster/ Thomond park factor as if there's some mythical fairy dust floating in the air and even Steve Staunton could get a performance out of the players. Unfortunately this idea was formulated by someone very high on fairy dust.
The Munster mentality starts from the coaches and filters down through the players. Sure the fans contribute a lot home and away but it takes a good coach to make the players understand and feed off that that. Look at how Munster's imports have bought into the entire mentality down there, make no mistake about it that starts with Declan Kidney.

I really hope he does well as it will be a fantastic testament to the development of rugby in Ireland if he succeeds.

jaykay74

I'm amazed anyone is questioning this. It was the obvious decison to make. :cool:

jaykay74

ven0m wrote: »

It is right up there with england appointing Martin johnson in terms of idiocy.


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I hope this is a wind up (poor one at that) as logically your statement makes no sense.

thehighground

RickyHatton wrote: »

I would like to think Kidney has at least some notion of what is going on outside of Munster because there are a lot of players outside of Munster that deserve their place in the Irish set up ahead of a lot of the Munster team

I'm sure he would know all about the Magners League players - but because of his commitments to Munster who are in a HCup final later this month, he will be unable to see Leicester, London Irish, Wasps and Quinns where there are a few Irish players. The man is obviously a professional, unlike a few around here who seem to think he should have a bit of an idea.

thehighground

RickyHatton wrote: »

and who left two promising talents in Murphy and Lewis to rot

maybe they are late developers like Bernard Jackman

thehighground

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Kidney's big thing is playing to all this chip on the shoulder pyschology. It works in Munster, but I can't see it working with the x - pats, the Ulster or Leinster players. In fact in Leinster, he was a disaster as a coach. Not one player improved, in fact several left, he made major tactical errors and had Contemponi on the bench for most of the season.

A few Irish players are at the end of their careers. Most noticeably ROG. I think Kidney will really struggle without a field kicker in his team.

How do you explain Jim Williams, Shaun Payne, the Kiwis ect. being able to buy into what you think is 'chip on the shoulder'. More fool you if you think that is all it is.

As for Leinster players - Howell who was/is a 10, got in before Contemponi. Most people including his national team manager think Contepomi is a 12. Most people say he is playing his best rugby now at 12 for Leinster. With Contempomi on the bench, he still won ALL his HCup pool games.

Oh, and all managers struggle without a field kicker in their teams! Hopefully Sexton will fullfill his potential.

Having watched the 6Ns, I think some of the players who might have complained about not improving their skills back in 2005 should stay very quite.

zAbbo

Lets judge him on performances, and best of luck to him.

Stev_o

Worst kept secret ever in the IRFU maybe... possibly they wanted to out do the RFU in the whole prolonging thing. Anyways Kidneys CV some people will say its one of the greatest in Europe others will say it just reflects that he underachieves how many finals have Munster been in and won? Yeah just the one.... The comparison to the All Blacks is there :P


What will he do with the Irish squad? Havent a clue could make it into the best one yet for all i know. He could also do very little and we continue to stagnate. All depends on his policy of selection i suppose. Lets hope its based on form regardless of where the player is based and no based on the players name

KELTICKNIGHTT

best of luck to declan,he has good track record
maybe he what the irish squad needs the way the played in world cup an 6 nations,was so poor ,was bored watching them,time to shake up the mondonnas in the squad

The Mighty Ken

Nearly fell asleep trying to read through all the stupidity being spewed on this thread. Good luck to Kidney; best man for the job.

wixfjord

Anyone who thinks the Lenister thing should be/was/will be a factor in Kidneys apponitment/success/failiure is deluded. People can criticitse all they want about leaving Leinster in the lurch, not improving skills etc. but the simple fact is he is the right man for the job at this moment in time. Players like O Driscoll, who indirectly criticised Declan in his book should look at their own performances over the last couple of years if they think Kidney is below them. I also dont agree with this thinking that Kidney has only got Munster where they are by "chip on shoulder" GAA club mentality. Sure that may have been true for the first few years but these are intelligent professional sportsmen at the peak of their game, do you really think this is the case? I really find it amazing that people are against this appointment. Where is the viable alternative? In all honesty Jake White was never coming near us, Bradley has done badly at Connacht in my opinion, Elwood is still at the beginning of his managerial career and as for guys like Meyer, had many of you guys slating Kidney ever heard of him before or watched South African rugby? Lets get behind the man and give him a chance before we slate him. I, as a die-hard Leinster fan with a somewhat anti-Munster bias will be.

Size=everything

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

best of luck to declan,he has good track record
maybe he what the irish squad needs the way the played in world cup an 6 nations,was so poor ,was bored watching them,time to shake up the mondonnas in the squad

If you thought EOS was boring what till you see Kidney..... absolutely no backline play. Use only the forwards and kick away possession.