definition of E92 E46 or whatever???

jon1981

hey,

i notice alot of people refer to bmw's in here as Exx rather than 320d 318 ...etc etc..where can i get a definitive list of all these?

ninty9er

I don't normally recommend the website for reliable info, but wikipedia seems to have a fairly good grasp.

BTW a 318 can be both an E46 and E90, but not an E92(yet anyway), they refer to build model (i.e E46=3 series 99-2004, E90=2004- E92=coupe E90)

Steve

jon1981 wrote: »

hey,

i notice alot of people refer to bmw's in here as Exx rather than 320d 318 ...etc etc..where can i get a definitive list of all these?

It's a secret club that only Bavaria Motor Werks owners know about... never fancied it myself, it involves getting a speech centre installed in your rectum.

Sorry kb, my bad, it's only opinion - please don't ban me

Loobz

Im having the same trouble, finding it hard to navigate wikipedia.
For example, what E-model is 2004 BMW 320D?
All a bit confusing, especially trying to get a VRT figure.

Eoin

Loobz wrote: »

Im having the same trouble, finding it hard to navigate wikipedia.
For example, what E-model is 2004 BMW 320D?
All a bit confusing, especially trying to get a VRT figure.

It's an E46. As ninty9er said, check wikipedia - here's a page on the 3 series.

stevec wrote: »

It's a secret club that only Bavaria Motor Werks owners know about... never fancied it myself, it involves getting a speech centre installed in your rectum.

Sorry kb, my bad, it's only opinion - please don't ban me

What a load of ****. It's no different to saying a Mark 4 Golf etc. A 320 spans 3 or 4 generations of the car, so it makes sense to call it an e46 or whatever.

Steve

eoin_s wrote: »

It's an E46. As ninty9er said, check wikipedia - here's a page on the 3 series.



What a load of ****. It's no different to saying a Mark 4 Golf etc. A 320 spans 3 or 4 generations of the car, so it makes sense to call it an e46 or whatever.

Point taken, unless you speak bmw it is meaningless though.

The tax man

eoin_s wrote: »

What a load of ****. It's no different to saying a Mark 4 Golf etc. A 320 spans 3 or 4 generations of the car, so it makes sense to call it an e46 or whatever.

Sorry but it is a load of **** to people that aren't up to speed with the BMW way of doing things. Mark 1..2..3..4..etc is a normal way to indicate newer models. WTF are all these E numbers?? They have no direct meaning to BMW outsiders. E46 is a 320. Please expand on how 320=E46.Why don't they stick to mark numbers like most other marques.

Ask anyone what's a mark 3 Golf and they'll answer it's a Volkswagen golf,of some sort. Ask them what's an E90 and they'll say it's something in your food.

Eoin

The tax man wrote: »

Sorry but it is a load of **** to people that aren't up to speed with the BMW way of doing things. Mark 1..2..3..4..etc is a normal way to indicate newer models. WTF are all these E numbers?? They have no direct meaning to BMW outsiders. E46 is a 320. Please expand on how 320=E46.Why don't they stick to mark numbers like most other marques.

Check the link I posted - it's only a couple of posts up. Someone asked what a 2004 320 would be, and I answered it is an e46 because it's a 2004 model and a 320.

The tax man wrote: »

Ask anyone what's a mark 3 Golf and they'll answer it's a Volkswagen golf,of some sort. Ask them what's an E90 and they'll say it's something in your food.

And ask someone what an "E90 3 series" is and they'll probably guess it's a 3 series. They didn't use Mark 1,2,3,4 whatever, they used letters instead. Big deal. I presume you have the same issue with Mercedes using W designations? Or the Nissan Primera that uses P. Or say, the Toyota Corolla which uses (shock horror) E as well.

Jesus, between this and the windshield clutter thread, I can see why the likes of the Octane regulars think this place is a joke.

DublinDilbert

The tax man wrote: »

Sorry but it is a load of **** to people that aren't up to speed with the BMW way of doing things. Mark 1..2..3..4..etc is a normal way to indicate newer models. WTF are all these E numbers??

You'll actually find that nearly every car company in the world will name it's various models with a letter + numbers, which will identify the platform which the car is built.

For Example:-
Merc W192
Volvo P2
BMW E46
VW B5

Cyrus

The tax man wrote: »

Sorry but it is a load of **** to people that aren't up to speed with the BMW way of doing things. Mark 1..2..3..4..etc is a normal way to indicate newer models. WTF are all these E numbers?? They have no direct meaning to BMW outsiders. E46 is a 320. Please expand on how 320=E46.Why don't they stick to mark numbers like most other marques.

Ask anyone what's a mark 3 Golf and they'll answer it's a Volkswagen golf,of some sort. Ask them what's an E90 and they'll say it's something in your food.

Grrr it isnt that difficult e36 covers all bmw 3 series from 316 to m3 evo from a period of around 7 years endding 98/99 e46 ditto from a period of 7 or so years to 2005.

e90 is the new shape saloon and e92 is the new shape coupe.

So e46 is to Mkiv golf as e90 is to Mkv golf, not that hard.

All manuf do this

Victor_M

The tax man wrote: »

Sorry but it is a load of **** to people that aren't up to speed with the BMW way of doing things. Mark 1..2..3..4..etc is a normal way to indicate newer models. WTF are all these E numbers?? They have no direct meaning to BMW outsiders. E46 is a 320. Please expand on how 320=E46.Why don't they stick to mark numbers like most other marques.

Ask anyone what's a mark 3 Golf and they'll answer it's a Volkswagen golf,of some sort. Ask them what's an E90 and they'll say it's something in your food.

We'll dumb it down just for you then, from now on no one is allowed to mention ITR's, 993's, W220's, E85, B4's/B7's, E39's or any manufacturers code or commonly referred to TLA.

That is what google is for, look it up if you are interested, if not just ignore it, don't whinge.

finbarrk

Cyrus wrote: »

Grrr it isnt that difficult e36 covers all bmw 3 series from 316 to m3 evo from a period of around 7 years endding 98/99 e46 ditto from a period of 7 or so years to 2005.

e90 is the new shape saloon and e92 is the new shape coupe.

So e46 is to Mkiv golf as e90 is to Mkv golf, not that hard.

All manuf do this

Good man Cyrus, thats it explained to me nice and simple. I was also confused but hadn't the patience to study it to perfection on Wikipedia or wherever.

Seth Brundle

stevec wrote: »

It's a secret club that only Bavaria Motor Werks owners know about... never fancied it myself, it involves getting a speech centre installed in your rectum.

Sorry kb, my bad, it's only opinion - please don't ban me

:mad: banned!

jon1981

looking at a 3 series, cant go over a 2litre sized engine, is petrol or diesel the way to go? i do about 12,000-15,000 miles a year. would i notice any significant savings on a diesel with that mileage?

Cyrus

why cant you go over 2 litre?

what year are you looking for?

whether its worth your while going for diesel over petrol depends on the initial cost of the car and the type of mileage.

kinda has to be a 320d from what you are saying tho?

E92

A 320i with that delightful straight 6 is also a possibility for someone who isn't doing too many miles!

As for BMW E numbers(soon to be F numbers, the last E number was this year's E71 X6, all future BMWs will begin with F starting with the F01/F02 7 series later on this year), Merc have W, T, C, S and R numbers and 3 rather than 2 digits, so if you think BMW are bad then you haven't gone near Merc obviously!

Then we have Honda with their EG, EP, EJ, EK Civic and a number afterwards to distinguish between the bodystyles, model e.g. SiR or standard model, and even generation, the DA6/DC2/DC5 Integra(3 different types of 'Teg), Toyota with E numbers as well, not to mention VAG with B4/C5 etc depending on model.

The reason why BMWs have E or F numbers is because that's what the company refers to their cars internally(E is an abbreviation for Entwicklung, which is German for development).

Cyrus

E92 wrote: »

A 320i with that delightful straight 6 is also a possibility for someone who isn't doing too many miles!

As for BMW E numbers(soon to be F numbers, the last E number was this year's E71 X6, all future BMWs will begin with F starting with the F01/F02 7 series later on this year), Merc have W, T, C, S and R numbers and 3 rather than 2 digits, so if you think BMW are bad then you haven't gone near Merc obviously!

Then we have Honda with their EG, EP, EJ, EK Civic and a number afterwards to distinguish between the bodystyles, model e.g. SiR or standard model, and even generation, the DA6/DC2/DC5 Integra(3 different types of 'Teg), Toyota with E numbers as well, not to mention VAG with B4/C5 etc depending on model.

The reason why BMWs have E or F numbers is because that's what the company refers to their cars internally(E is an abbreviation for Entwicklung, which is German for development).

320i (in e46 guise ) is a 2.2 tho and the e90 320 is a 4cyl

Anyway a 320i 2.2 6cyl isnt a whole lot more economical than a 325/330 and doesnt cost any less to run either so..........................

buy a 330

E92

Cyrus wrote: »

320i (in e46 guise ) is a 2.2 tho and the e90 320 is a 4cyl

Anyway a 320i 2.2 6cyl isnt a whole lot more economical than a 325/330 and doesnt cost any less to run either so..........................

buy a 330

They did a 320i with the 2.0 straight 6 for a while too in the E46(rare as hen's teeth though cause they only sold it here and not in the UK);)!

Cyrus

E92 wrote: »

They did a 320i with the 2.0 straight 6 for a while too in the E46(rare as hen's teeth though cause they only sold it here and not in the UK);)!

ah so they did, the M52TUB20

i couldnt imagine you were wrong but id never heard of it still, who'd want it

Eoin

Cyrus wrote: »

ah so they did, the M52TUB20

i couldnt imagine you were wrong but id never heard of it still, who'd want it

Sounds like a technical update engine - perhaps for the NIKASIL issue on the M52s?

@jon1981 - the 320d isn't bad at all, not great sound off it, but good bit of poke.

jon1981

yeah the 320d seems to get the thumbs up from what i can see on this forum. the reason i dont want to go above a 2litre is purely down to insurance reasons. i think i would like a 3 series coupe, but now it comes down to petrol or deisel. i know diesel is now an average of 5cent more a litre than petrol. but with me doing 12k-15k a year most days its about 15 miles, weekends and days off i might do more. would i see the savings in a diesel?

dare i say it, there is always the saab 9-3 1.9tdi vector sport 150 bhp, pick a 05 up across the water with loads of extras for ~18 (including VRT)


also im coming from a 1l engine lol so its big jump!

Elessar

Posting to show my favour towards the e46 320ci. It's not cos I own one I swear!

Seriously a 2.2 isn't so bad economically compared to a 2.0l.

Phaetonman

Only the sad bmw losers ever refer to them as exx. I have friends with bmw's and they never refer to them as e.

Eoin

jon1981 wrote: »

yeah the 320d seems to get the thumbs up from what i can see on this forum. the reason i dont want to go above a 2litre is purely down to insurance reasons. i think i would like a 3 series coupe, but now it comes down to petrol or deisel. i know diesel is now an average of 5cent more a litre than petrol. but with me doing 12k-15k a year most days its about 15 miles, weekends and days off i might do more. would i see the savings in a diesel?

You may find that a larger saloon may be easier to insure than a smaller engine coupe, so make sure you ring around and get quotes on both. I'd go for a 323 saloon over a 318 coupe.

Phaetonman wrote: »

Only the sad bmw losers ever refer to them as exx. I have friends with bmw's and they never refer to them as e.

Good for them.

Cyrus

jon1981 wrote: »

yeah the 320d seems to get the thumbs up from what i can see on this forum. the reason i dont want to go above a 2litre is purely down to insurance reasons. i think i would like a 3 series coupe, but now it comes down to petrol or deisel. i know diesel is now an average of 5cent more a litre than petrol. but with me doing 12k-15k a year most days its about 15 miles, weekends and days off i might do more. would i see the savings in a diesel?

dare i say it, there is always the saab 9-3 1.9tdi vector sport 150 bhp, pick a 05 up across the water with loads of extras for ~18 (including VRT)


also im coming from a 1l engine lol so its big jump!

saab wouldnt be a bad one imo, decent engine and great value in the uk!

id check insurance quotes before you worry about engine sizes, ive found large engined bmws cheap to insure personally

Cyrus

Phaetonman wrote: »

Only the sad bmw losers ever refer to them as exx. I have friends with bmw's and they never refer to them as e.

really so if i said i had say a bmw 325 how would you know if it was an e30/e36/e46, you wouldnt, would you.

i dont have any friends that own phaetons

Phaetonman

Cyrus wrote: »

really so if i said i had say a bmw 325 how would you know if it was an e30/e36/e46, you wouldnt, would you.

i dont have any friends that own phaetons

Who gives a **** really? They are just updated versions of the same car. Its not the sort of thing that would come up in a conversation between normal people. You hardly ever hear people refer to B5 and B6 Passats either.

Eoin

Phaetonman wrote: »

Who gives a **** really? They are just updated versions of the same car. Its not the sort of thing that would come up in a conversation between normal people. You hardly ever hear people refer to B5 and B6 Passats either.

I don't know why I'm humouring your little rant, but in my experience people use the version number to make the distinction between the models when it's appropriate to do so. Bear in mind that this is, in fact, the motors forum; so being more specific about the version shouldn't be a huge shock to the system.

peasant

eoin_s wrote: »

Bear in mind that this is, in fact, the motors forum; so being more specific about the version shouldn't be a huge shock to the system.

+1

(even though I have to admit, I don't know which one's which either)

Cyrus

Phaetonman wrote: »

Who gives a **** really? They are just updated versions of the same car. Its not the sort of thing that would come up in a conversation between normal people. You hardly ever hear people refer to B5 and B6 Passats either.

who spends time talking about passats

ninty9er

Phaetonman wrote: »

Only the sad bmw losers ever refer to them as exx. I have friends with bmw's and they never refer to them as e.

I'd imagine that's because they don't know such a description of the car exists....who's the loser now:p

Victor_M

Phaetonman wrote: »

Only the sad bmw losers ever refer to them as exx. I have friends with bmw's and they never refer to them as e.

Pretty much every one of your 'contributions' to the motoring section other than posting photo's of your own car has been useless, why do you even bother

Seth Brundle

Phaetonman wrote: »

Only the sad bmw losers ever refer to them as exx. I have friends with bmw's and they never refer to them as e.

Maybe they bought the car for the badge and with no consideration for anything else! Assuming thats the case (quite likely) then they really are the loser!

eoin_s wrote: »

Good for them.

I couldn't put it better myself!

Phaetonman

When have I ever posted photos of my own car?

I don't need you to judge the validtiy of my comments ok.

Eoin

Phaetonman wrote: »

Only the sad bmw losers ever refer to them as exx. I have friends with bmw's and they never refer to them as e.

Phaetonman wrote: »

Who gives a **** really? They are just updated versions of the same car. Its not the sort of thing that would come up in a conversation between normal people. You hardly ever hear people refer to B5 and B6 Passats either.

Phaetonman wrote: »

When have I ever posted photos of my own car?

I don't need you to judge the validtiy of my comments ok.

Can you not see why people may pull you up on your negative and just plain shìt-stirring posts?

Victor_M

Phaetonman wrote: »

When have I ever posted photos of my own car?

I don't need you to judge the validtiy of my comments ok.

Apologies, I saw a photo of a Phaeton a few months ago in the here's what I drive section, presumed it was you, obviously there are 2 Phaetons in Ireland, not 1 as I previously thought. Still stand by the rest of my comment though.

We are all (well most of us I think) motoring enthusiasts here, and as such you are going to get contributors going into a little more detail then they would in a non motoring environment, if you don't like it, you know where to go!

r3nu4l

Jayz, ya didn't really ban stevec did ya kb? I thought that was funny :pac:

Good info on this thread though...especially for someone like me who has difficulty with the concept of MarkI-MarkIV Golf, nevermind E-numbers.

I deal in the year the car was made and that does me...probably goes a long way to explaining why I currently drive a Stilo though* :pac:

*although, I do like my Stilo!

peasant

You should go onto a Merc W124 (that's the old E class , the one with the square lights:D) forum once ...they talk about MOPF I and MOPF II all the time

(MOPF stands for MOdellPFlege, or facelift to you and me)

Seth Brundle

r3nu4l wrote: »

Jayz, ya didn't really ban stevec did ya kb? I thought that was funny :pac:

Am I really that bad?

L1011

Admittedly, its only because the codes are commonly used that anyone knows what they are!

I drive a "Models 169", anyone care to figure that out? Without looking at my posting history!

E92

MYOB wrote: »

Admittedly, its only because the codes are commonly used that anyone knows what they are!

I drive a "Models 169", anyone care to figure that out? Without looking at my posting history!

You drive a Fiat Panda I'm guessing:p?

That was a good one cause if you typed in "Models 169" into google you get absolutely nothing car related(by comparison Exx gets whatever BMW it is straight away even though "nobody":rolleyes: uses the E numbers for BMW, even HonestJohn gives BMWs their E number so as to distinguish them these days) but throw in car as well and you'll get the answer eventually;)!

L1011

Bingo. Its whats used in the parts DB, on the ID plate, etc - only says Panda on the rear basically. However nobodies ever really used them to name them... possible as 169 doesn't sound as cool as E-whatever

unkel

stevec wrote: »

unless you speak bmw it is meaningless though.

Most car enthusiasts are multilingual that way

Anyway, if you're involved in a thread here and someone mentions a type code for any make or model of car, your dictionary (google) will quickly explain exactly what car they are on about.

Steve

unkel wrote: »

Most car enthusiasts are multilingual that way

Anyway, if you're involved in a thread here and someone mentions a type code for any make or model of car, your dictionary (google) will quickly explain exactly what car they are on about.

I agree, motors is more of a general motoring forum though and not everyone here is a petrolhead or a BMW owner.

I would agree with posts that most BMW owners in this country would goldfish if you asked them which E number they had.

I just think its a tad elitist to expect everyone to know what an E36 is (besides a food colouring) and it hampers the enjoyment of the forum. It's not as if you're being asked to spell some obscure make like misterb mistubihs mixtibih some japanese ones, it's only 3 letters.:p

Eoin

stevec wrote: »

I agree, motors is more of a general motoring forum though and not everyone here is a petrolhead or a BMW owner.

I would agree with posts that most BMW owners in this country would goldfish if you asked them which E number they had.

I just think its a tad elitist to expect everyone to know what an E36 is (besides a food colouring) and it hampers the enjoyment of the forum. It's not as if you're being asked to spell some obscure make like misterb mistubihs mixtibih some japanese ones, it's only 3 letters.:p

It's no more elitist than saying a Mark 3 Golf, but Golf owners don't attract the same vitriol as BMW owners do.

If someone says "I'm looking at an e36 325, any opinions?" then I dare say that opinions from someone who knows what an e36 is are probably given a bit more credence.

People who post these questions aren't expecting everyone to know what it is, but I can imagine that they are hoping that those who do know what it means will help out, and those who don't know what it means won't post petty sniping comments.

Would you post the same type of remarks about Honda owners talking about their ITRs, VTEC / whatever?

While I am sure it bores some people when actual motor questions are asked, and people dare use the full idenfication of their car; it makes a nice change from some of the Joe Duffy threads you see here.

Steve

eoin_s wrote: »

If someone says "I'm looking at an e35 325, any opinions?" then I dare say that opinions from someone who knows what an e36 is are probably given a bit more credence.

People who post these questions aren't expecting everyone to know what it is, but I can imagine that they are hoping that those who do know what it means will help out, and those who don't know what it means won't post petty sniping comments.

I know I posted a smart comment at the start of this thread - rest assured it was in jest, it was not sniping.:)

I'm looking at an e35 325

They don't though. If they used terms like 325 / 320i / M3 / M5 etc then I think most people would recognise what they are talking about, as would using the terms Avensis, Corolla, A3, A4, Mondeo, Model 'T' etc. The original question in this thread was WTF is an E36?? not WTF is an E36 318i.

If I started a thread "what rear plugs are best for my DE3A" I doubt I'd get many replies - you're right though and I take your point, I'd be more interested in replies from people who recognised the question.

While I am sure it bores some people when actual motor questions are asked, and people dare use the full idenfication of their car; it makes a nice change from some of the Joe Duffy threads you see here.

Yes but I think that in the spirit of boards, motors will always be that way - it will always have the 'joe duffy' questions.

What's the answer? I don't know.
I don't think a petrolhead subfourm where users are banned for asking how to change a wheel or where their tax disc should be is the answer. I like motors the way is is (despite all the E numbers ).

Eoin

stevec wrote: »

They don't though. If they used terms like 325 / 320i / M3 / M5 etc then I think most people would recognise what they are talking about, as would using the terms Avensis, Corolla, A3, A4, Mondeo, Model 'T' etc. The original question in this thread was WTF is an E36?? not WTF is an E36 318i.

But my point is that saying a 325 could refer to at least 3 different generations of 3 series, so the next question in the thread would be "what type of 325?"

Steve

eoin_s wrote: »

But my point is that saying a 325 could refer to at least 3 different generations of 3 series, so the next question in the thread would be "what type of 325?"

I accept your point.

As you said earlier, if someone says "I'm looking at an e35 325, any opinions?" then its obvious that it's to do with a BMW 325 - happily read on knowing what the thread is about.

If someone asks "I'm looking at an e35, any opinions?" then it's not obvious to most, it could be a 318 / 325 / whatever.

unkel wrote: »

your dictionary (google) will quickly explain exactly what car they are on about.

For shits 'n' giggles, I googled "e35" and came up with the following: (amongst other stuff)

> "Geomesh watch e35 grid watch with LED display"......(a watch)
> "ASTM International Technical Committee E35".....(????)
> "MPEC 2005-E35 : COMET C/2005 E1 (TUBBIOLO)"......(A small planet)
> "Sole E35 Review: Powered by ConsumerGuide and HowStuffWorks".....(a treadmill)
> "Pentax Optio E35 - Review, Price, Photo and Video on Wikio"....(a camera)
> "Sony MZ-E35 and MZ-E2 Comparison Review".....(a DVD player)
> "HMS E35 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"......(a submarine)
> "Elan Power E35 Motor Boat - Elan Power 35 Yacht by Elan Yachts"....(a boat)
> "Free downloads bmw wiring: BMW Electrical Troubleshooting Manual"......

at last, 4 pages / 35 hits later...... normally I wouldn't even read page 2 of a google search.

It seems the mighty google doesn't speak BMW either;)

Cyrus

yeah, guess why

its e36, try google that

Steve

Cyrus wrote: »

yeah, guess why

its e36, try google that

That makes more sense, thanks - I picked up on E35 from eoins post.

rant over.

Eoin

stevec wrote: »

That makes more sense, thanks - I picked up on E35 from eoins post.

rant over.

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