HTC TyTN2 now on 3, Officially, Skype cab please :)

tdkeaveny

Hello all, Just saw that the HTC TyTN2 is now sold by 3.

this should open up an easy way for all us WM users on 3 to get skype going for free has anyone bought it yet? It supports Skype(i know it's really iskoot) so there must be a was to get the cab file and install it on other WM phones. Could anyone help out? thanks

mkennedy

Are you talking about just getting Skype for Windows Mobile/Pocket PC because that's readily downloadable from the Skype site. I tried Skype for WM on the three network and tbh never really got it working properly- the Three speeds weren't great for it.

tdkeaveny

yeah trying to get the 3 version of skype working. I have a treo 750 and its not the most powerful phone do the official skype does not work very well. 3 seem to be using iskoot as opposed to real skype it uses your your normal phone connection so the quality is very good.

GUIGuy

... when its obviously a TyTn 1 they have in the photo... duhhh!

neilled

They also have the wrong picture of the k660i up, the picture is of a prototype unit which are badged SE123, and they've still got the w880i down as an x-series handset which it clearly isn't. Doh.

tigger1962

I admit i was puzzled by the photo also as I'm using a tytn II on three for a while now. Never tried skype via three but it works fine over wireless.. Internet works fine too as does video calling

Mr Velo

tigger1962 wrote: »

I admit i was puzzled by the photo also as I'm using a tytn II on three for a while now. Never tried skype via three but it works fine over wireless.. Internet works fine too as does video calling

Hi Tigger,

How do you find your TyTN II in general use? I've just purchased one on Ebay, should have it tomorrow or Thursday.

GUIGuy

Went in to the Grafton Street shop it is the TyTN II. Wonder who went to all the trouble of doing the 3d view of the old phone.

tdkeaveny

tigger1962 wrote: »

I admit i was puzzled by the photo also as I'm using a tytn II on three for a while now. Never tried skype via three but it works fine over wireless.. Internet works fine too as does video calling

since you are using the tytnII could you help me out with the original question? can you get onto planet3 and download the 3 skype cab?

Rags

I have the tytn II and use it on three, tried to download skype on the my3 link but it says handset not supported yet or something to that effect.

Rags

But at least a lot of my3 seems to be useable now, before when I tried it wouldnt even load the page.

tigger1962

I've had it working on Three (unofficially) for close to a year now. I'm missing some settings still as in My3 but everything else works fine. The tytn 2 is fine but it has a few problems that have been noted elsewhere... one is video playback - I bought coreplayer and this works great with it so obviously thye know something HTC doesn't.. The other big issue is the gps!! On occasion if you use it eg with tomtom and it can't lock to any satelites it can waste your battery in under an hour even when you exit the application! It seems the fix is to do a soft reset! There is also an issue over the touch screen causing memory issues, I can't say I've seen that one... I understand developing for it is a bit of a b*** too due to some nonstandard ui issues - not sure about this as I've only ever done some small c# stuff for it. For what I wanted its great and its great to see Three offer a pda type phone on their network, though I suspect Apple might be the cause of that.. My contract with three is due to expire next month and the impending rumours of the 3g iphone might make me change network depending on whether o2 get some sense.

Oh one thing i did find out today!! the Tytn 2 is not available as an upgrade :eek: only under a new contract, a phone call to three confirmed what I was told in the shop!!

tigger1962

just connected to my3 on tytn and it currently works fine! I got there via
http://mobile.3ireland.ie/hb/Hutchkey

clicked on my3 tab and worked fine!

tigger1962

as earlier mentioned you can't seem to get skype cab from the download page with a message "phone not supported"

Don't seem to be able to use skype using 3 either? settings? I'm using the skype from skype.com It connects via three and even goes online but then disconnects again after a few minutes

Cyrus

tigger1962 wrote: »

I've had it working on Three (unofficially) for close to a year now. I'm missing some settings still as in My3 but everything else works fine. The tytn 2 is fine but it has a few problems that have been noted elsewhere... one is video playback - I bought coreplayer and this works great with it so obviously thye know something HTC doesn't.. The other big issue is the gps!! On occasion if you use it eg with tomtom and it can't lock to any satelites it can waste your battery in under an hour even when you exit the application! It seems the fix is to do a soft reset! There is also an issue over the touch screen causing memory issues, I can't say I've seen that one... I understand developing for it is a bit of a b*** too due to some nonstandard ui issues - not sure about this as I've only ever done some small c# stuff for it. For what I wanted its great and its great to see Three offer a pda type phone on their network, though I suspect Apple might be the cause of that.. My contract with three is due to expire next month and the impending rumours of the 3g iphone might make me change network depending on whether o2 get some sense.

Oh one thing i did find out today!! the Tytn 2 is not available as an upgrade :eek: only under a new contract, a phone call to three confirmed what I was told in the shop!!

no upgrade, thats a load of crap, we'll see what they say when i threaten to go

neilled

tigger1962 wrote: »

I've had it working on Three (unofficially) for close to a year now. I'm missing some settings still as in My3 but everything else works fine. The tytn 2 is fine but it has a few problems that have been noted elsewhere... one is video playback - I bought coreplayer and this works great with it so obviously thye know something HTC doesn't.. The other big issue is the gps!! On occasion if you use it eg with tomtom and it can't lock to any satelites it can waste your battery in under an hour even when you exit the application! It seems the fix is to do a soft reset! There is also an issue over the touch screen causing memory issues, I can't say I've seen that one... I understand developing for it is a bit of a b*** too due to some nonstandard ui issues - not sure about this as I've only ever done some small c# stuff for it. For what I wanted its great and its great to see Three offer a pda type phone on their network, though I suspect Apple might be the cause of that.. My contract with three is due to expire next month and the impending rumours of the 3g iphone might make me change network depending on whether o2 get some sense.

Oh one thing i did find out today!! the Tytn 2 is not available as an upgrade :eek: only under a new contract, a phone call to three confirmed what I was told in the shop!!

Funny, it was available to me online the other day but has been taken back off. I would assume this means three have actually got a bid of demand for the device and only ordered in small quantities and have been caught on the hop. Networks view "new" customers as more valuable than existing ones, hence all the offers for new customers and crappy upgrades as there's still a reluctance to switch networks amongst alot of Irish consumers.

What I imagine 3 have done is ring-fence their presumably small supply of TYTNII's for the more lucrative "new" customers and will introduce it as an upgrade once stock supply is sorted.

tdkeaveny

Rags wrote: »

I have the tytn II and use it on three, tried to download skype on the my3 link but it says handset not supported yet or something to that effect.

tigger1962 wrote: »

as earlier mentioned you can't seem to get skype cab from the download page with a message "phone not supported"

Don't seem to be able to use skype using 3 either? settings? I'm using the skype from skype.com It connects via three and even goes online but then disconnects again after a few minutes

Thanks for trying guys, seems odd that they advetise that it supports skype yet we can't download and install it. might go b the three store and see if i can get a direct link and download it that way.

telecinesk

I have both Skype for this and Fring running. Call quality via Fring is suprisingly better, prob less bloatware.
However a major pain is battery life. I had to order a 2800mA cell and even this is FAIL. I wait in hope of a 4000mA battery some time....

jimmycrackcorm

Cyrus wrote: »

no upgrade, thats a load of crap, we'll see what they say when i threaten to go

It shows up as an upgrade option for me.

Cyrus

yeah me too, hardly an upgrade price tho :mad:

tdkeaveny

ok im almost there guys just need one more bit of help. i could not get the cab file but i found a way to change the user agent on my Tero 750 so that it is identified as a TyTN2 which should let me download the appropriate file.

The only thing i need is the user agent string, could someone using a TyTN2 go to www.useragent.org and post the resulting string?

mkennedy

Lads have any of you had any luck downloading this from my3 yet.
tdkeaveny were you able to find out the Tytn II user-agent?
Should skype be downloadable from my3 once you get this.

I gather though that Three's skype only allows free calls to other skype users and not reduced calls to landlines/phones internationally (like proper skype), is this correct.

Also @ telecinesk do you have the skype from skype.com working ok with fring.
If so i might give that a shot as well.

tdkeaveny

nope no luck yet on the user agent.
i did find the user agent for a LG Shine U970 which lets me download a .jad file for skype but i cant get it to install, but ill keep you updated.

if anyone with the TyTN2 could just download the .jad or .cab file, whichever it is and post it this would be a lot easier

edit: if any one has a 3 branded TyTn2 and has skype working, if you could just go to www.useragent.org on your pocket IE browser and post the result i'll buy you a cookie

mkennedy

tdkeaveny wrote: »

nope no luck yet on the user agent.
i did find the user agent for a LG Shine U970 which lets me download a .jad file for skype but i cant get it to install, but ill keep you updated.

if anyone with the TyTN2 could just download the .jad or .cab file, whichever it is and post it this would be a lot easier

edit: if any one has a 3 branded TyTn2 and has skype working, if you could just go to www.useragent.org on your pocket IE browser and post the result i'll buy you a cookie

I changed the useragent on my Touch-Cruise to the Tytn II useragent (got the details from a UK site where they were having the same problem with three):
HKLM>security>internet explorer>useragent>custombase:
Changed it to HTC_TyTN_II Mozilla/4.0.
This allows greater access to my3 stuff but when you click on the skype icon it says it's not available for that handset yet.

tdkeaveny

yeah i have tried th HTC_TyTN_II Mozilla/4.0 aswell with the same result as you, i think we are looking for a longer one. the user agent for the LG Shine is

LG/U970/v1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 UNTRUSTED/1.0

this gave me the option to download the .jad file but it would not install correctly. anyone have a similer user agent for the TyTN2?

edit: actually now that i think about it if the Skype on the TyTN2 is java maybe I/we could user any java .jar file to get it working, could some one upload here or somewhere else and send me a pm with the link?

tdkeaveny

refering to the end of the last post here's the info in the Skype_1.0.16_SEK530I_IE.jad file i managed to get using a user agent. I can start the installation but it will not download the .jar file highlighted in red bellow. could some one download skype on ANY 3 phone and share the .jar java file with us? whould be great if it worked

BackupServerUrl: http://mobile.3ireland.ie/948
Chat: false
Debug: false
DeviceName: SE/K530I
FamilyRef: SE/W660I
Lang: EN
MIDlet-1: Skype,/SkypeAppIcon.png,impl.MainMIDlet
MIDlet-Icon: /SkypeAppIcon.png
MIDlet-Jar-Size: 224318
MIDlet-Jar-URL: Skype_1.0.16_SEK530I_IE.jar
MIDlet-Name: Skype
MIDlet-Permissions: javax.microedition.io.Connector.http, javax.microedition.io.Connector.https, javax.microedition.io.Connector.ssl
MIDlet-Permissions-Opt: javax.microedition.pim.ContactList.read, javax.microedition.pim.ContactList.write
MIDlet-Vendor: iSkoot
MIDlet-Version: 1.0.16
MicroEdition-Configuration: CLDC-1.0
MicroEdition-Profile: MIDP-2.0
SEMC-PlatformRequestSilentTel: Y
ServerUrl: http://mobile.3ireland.ie/948

mkennedy

tdkeaveny wrote: »

yeah i have tried th HTC_TyTN_II Mozilla/4.0 aswell with the same result as you, i think we are looking for a longer one. the user agent for the LG Shine is LG/U970/v1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 UNTRUSTED/1.0 this gave me the option to download the .jad file but it would not install correctly. anyone have a similer user agent for the TyTN2? edit: actually now that i think about it if the Skype on the TyTN2 is java maybe I/we could user any java .jar file to get it working, could some one upload here or somewhere else and send me a pm with the link?

OK fair enough

tdkeaveny

Found it! got the file by typing in the address and changing the .jad to a .jar installed it on my phone (Palm Treo 750 running WM6.1) and it works like a charm heres the link

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R2H0V9J4

mkennedy

tdkeaveny wrote: »

Found it! got the file by typing in the address and changing the .jad to a .jar installed it on my phone (Palm Treo 750 running WM6.1) and it works like a charm heres the link

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R2H0V9J4

Thanks for that.
But when i try to install it with my midlet manager it stalls at the bit where it asks me to accept or exit.
I can't tap on either accept or exit (they seem to be just images)
And the midlet manager just locks up.

My device is also WM6 so it can't be that different to yours.
Nothing ever works for me :mad:
Any ideas.

What kinda Three settings do you have btw:
is it just 3ireland.ie under myISP and everything else blank (no proxies or passwords etc)- that's what i have anyway.

tdkeaveny

Chin up hmm, it did actually stall on my aswell but it was after the installation had completed and it asked if i wished it run the midlet. but i just closed the task and started it again and it ran fine.

which phone and midelet manager are you using? i used jbed. and i have the same myisp settings, and the connection is just called 3 on mine

mkennedy

tdkeaveny wrote: »

Chin up hmm, it did actually stall on my aswell but it was after the installation had completed and it asked if i wished it run the midlet. but i just closed the task and started it again and it ran fine. which phone and midelet manager are you using? i used jbed. and i have the same myisp settings, and the connection is just called 3 on mine

Appreciate the help. Phone is HTC Touch Cruise WM 6. Midlet manager is Esmertec Jbed Build 20071112.1.1. So almost exactly identical to your setup- except you're using WM 6.1. I get the accept/exit splash screen but can't get past that because tapping the "accept" or "exit" buttons just doesn't work (they're just images it seems).
Are you getting that screen at all?

tdkeaveny

yeah i got it while installing, are you useing the harware buttons or the soft buttons on screen? i used the hardware buttons as the file is for a none touch screen phone. prob a dumb question but i thought id ask.

mkennedy

tdkeaveny wrote: »

yeah i got it while installing, are you useing the harware buttons or the soft buttons on screen? i used the hardware buttons as the file is for a none touch screen phone. prob a dumb question but i thought id ask.

Yeah i've tried pressing the soft "accept" button on the screen but it won't budge. What hardware button are you pressing? I've also tried pressing my hardware OK button but that just exits the midlet manager. Also tried pretty much every other hardware button as well. To whom does this app allow free calls btw? Is it just other skype-enabled handsets/computers or is it ALSO low-cost calls to national/international landlines? If landlines are included i'll be pi$$ed that i can't get this to work. If not maybe i can live without it though. Also tried skype thru' fring over the Three network btw and it's not great tbh- latency is barely acceptable to make proper calls and call quality is poor-ish. If you've any ideas i'd love to hear them. The puzzling thing is the Touch-Cruise is essentially the same device as the Tytn II (without the keyboard). So If it works on a Treo (a more distant relative of the Tytn II) surely it should work work on a HTC TC. Thanks again.

tdkeaveny

I'm pressing the button directly under the email softkey in the picture. The skype seems only to let you call other skype users, be it phone or pc, with no options to call phone numbers or even chat with txt.

can't really think of anything else but ill have a look and get back to you if i find anything

edit: just saw a picture of the cruse, it's seems they don't have harware buttons so i have no idea what can be done as the TyTN2 also has hardware buttons like the treo

mkennedy

tdkeaveny wrote: »

I'm pressing the button directly under the email softkey in the picture. The skype seems only to let you call other skype users, be it phone or pc, with no options to call phone numbers or even chat with txt. can't really think of anything else but ill have a look and get back to you if i find anything edit: just saw a picture of the cruse, it's seems they don't have harware buttons so i have no idea what can be done as the TyTN2 also has hardware buttons like the treo

OK fair enough. Incidentally the accept and exit buttons on-screen are nowhere near the bottom of my device's screen (even if i did have those hardware keys) so i dunno what the story is. If it's just free calls to skype enabled devices i'll probably just forget about it. Still kinda head-wrecking though (not unlike a lot of stuff when it comes to mobile technology) The skype via fring also allows calls to mobiles/landline numbers afaik so atleast theoretically that's an option (latency problems aside). Anyway thanks.

han68

Although 3 is advertising that Skype should work on the TyTN2:

http://www.three.ie/handsets_new/postpay-mobiles-htc-tytn2-features.htm
(note, this links shows the Skype logo etc as per this moment, it could be that they will be changing the page soon...)

it is not ....

Asking for clarification from customer service confirmed this, I am now waiting for an answer why they advertise something they do not deliver ....:(

Spipov

i have a 3 skypephone and i like the skype feature and use it very often. however,id like to get that working on my htc phone and was wondering if anybody has finally managed to get a skype client for windows mobile that uses the free skype calls and free skype messages and not use the data (ie pay per kb) ? im unclear whether the file at megaupload achieves that purpose?

thanks for helping!

Spipov

for those interested to know: point to this address:

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/1036441.html


however, does anybody have the gateway number and host address for 3 ireland iskoot client?thanks for helping anyone, would appreciate it.

im looking for the irish values...

the aussie numbers are :


[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\iSkoot\Skype\Device]
"CallNumber"="+61430005332"


[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\iSkoot\Skype\Device]
"BackupHost"="http://three.net.au/skype"
"BaseUrl"="http://three.net.au/skype"
"CallUrl"="http://three.net.au/skype"
"DefaultSkHost"="http://three.net.au/skype"
"PushHost"="http://three.net.au/skype"