Plan to make Dublin city centre car free

Run_to_da_hills

Reading that a plan is being proposed to close off much of Dublin city centre to public traffic permanently and only allowing taxis and busses access. Will this work? How will couriers and those delivering supplies during the day? residents in the city center that need to move about will suffer. They also plan to introduce another 350 extra buses belching out diesel fumes every ten minutes. The plan could be on the cards by April next year. :eek:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0505/dublin.html

kaizersoze1980

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Reading that a plan is being proposed to close off much of Dublin city centre to public traffic permanently and only allowing taxis and busses access. Will this work? How will couriers and those delivering supplies during the day? residents in the city center that need to move about will suffer. They also plan to introduce another 350 extra buses belching out diesel fumes every ten minutes. The plan could be on the cards by April next year. :eek:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0505/dublin.html

about time. ban all cars from the city centre,

Predhead

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Reading that a plan is being proposed to close off much of Dublin city centre to public traffic permanently and only allowing taxis and busses access. Will this work? How will couriers and those delivering supplies during the day? residents in the city center that need to move about will suffer. They also plan to introduce another 350 extra buses belching out diesel fumes every ten minutes. The plan could be on the cards by April next year. :eek:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0505/dublin.html

Typical Ireland, just ban everyone. Forget about implementing any sort of plan at all. Although having said that, not sure what exactly could be done. Suppose it's a 'green' measure as well.

Run_to_da_hills

Predhead wrote: »

Typical Ireland, just ban everyone. Forget about implementing any sort of plan at all. Although having said that, not sure what exactly could be done. Suppose it's a 'green' measure as well.

I cannot understand why they call removing cars from the city a "green issue" particularly if they are going to replace them with filthy diesel fuming busses. There is only one way to run a green city effectively and that is to cut down on the number of diesel busses and have trams and metros run on energy from nuclear / hydro/ wind power stations.

invincibleirish

Got to make big decisions some time, sadly the past few years have shown a distinct lack of foresight, a Car Ban or an imminent threat of it will make National & Local government and CIE think long and hard about what they need to do. It has to happen some day folks!

invincibleirish

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I cannot understand why they call removing cars from the city a "green issue" particularly if they are going to replace them with filthy diesel fuming busses. There is only one way to run a green city effectively and that is to cut down on the number of diesel busses and have trams and metros run on energy from nuclear / hydro/ wind power stations.

What and ignore cars? its all the cars in cities that cause congestion, public transport in anyform has to take priority.

Run_to_da_hills

invincibleirish wrote: »

What and ignore cars? its all the cars in cities that cause congestion, public transport in anyform has to take priority.

Yea but busses are not exactly the most enviornmentally friendly form of transport, ever pass collage green during the day and get the fumes from all the busses ticking over.

spurious

It's not about banning cars or removing them from the city, it's about re-routing them through the city centre on more than one route instead of sending them all down Westmoreland Street/O'Connell Street as it is at the moment.
Makes sense to me.

We are long overdue legislation to make deliveries happen early in the morning, like they do in more forward-thinking cities.

invincibleirish

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Yea but busses are not exactly the most enviornmentally friendly form of transport, ever pass collage green during the day and get the fumes from all the busses ticking over.

Very true but whilst waiting for LUAS, Metro & DART upgrades to come on stream putting more buses into a city whilst banning cars from it is more Green no?

Boardsbud

Why are such nonsense announcements made on Morning Ireland on a Bank Holiday morning ? Slip it in under the radar with no debate (or significant audience) of any kind. It'll disappear into thin air shortly again though so no need to worry.

astrofool

Only if people use the buses, unfortunately, no business in the world would put any reliance on what Dublin bus is able to deliver.

Once the metro and luas have been built AND buses have been changed over to a gps tracked system with smart cards, and zones, this might be kind of feasible, and even then, via a congestion charge rather than outright banning.

MadsL

Dare we mention integrated ticketing...??

/gets me coat

AlekSmart

As if by magic a voice from above responds to Astrofool :


Dublin: init wins first contract in Ireland

Karlsruhe, May 5, 2008. init innovation in traffic systems AG scored in yet another key strategic move in European business: Dublin Bus, one of the largest Irish transportation providers, has now opted for the introduction of a telematics system from init. Under the recently signed contract, init will provide Dublin Bus with an intermodal transport control system (ITCS) for its bus network and equip around 1200 busses with COPILOTpc on-board computers, WLANrouters and the operating unit PRESSit.

Also part of the contract is a multi operator real time passenger information system including around 1000 PIDstation passenger information displays. The contract, as the first for init in Ireland, also includes the integrated statistical analysis software MOBILEstatistics, the reporting software MOBILEreports and an intranet solution which allows roadside inspectors to display real-time data on portable units. This contract with Dublin Bus is another large-scale project for an European capital.

The project starts at first with a specification phase. Then Dublin Bus will approve the further roll-out of the complete bus fleet. Dublin Bus intends to use the init solution to optimize its operations, improve the efficiency of vehicle management, and reduce its operational costs. With the passenger information system the citizens and visitors of Dublin shall be served with reliable real-time information at the bus stops. Services of Dublin Bus are used by around 146 million passengers each year.


For further information contact:


Alexandra Weiß
init innovation intraffic systems AG
Kaeppelestraße 4-6
76131 Karlsruhe
Tel.: 0721/6100-102
Fax: 0721/6100-399
ir@initag.de

So for those who still persist with the notion of "fumes from buses ticking-over on College St" which WAS a problem in the 1980`s and early 90`s,here is some concrete evidence of progress.......even if "Integrated Ticketing" will take a bit longer and not be REALLY integrated at all .......No Germans involved here Y`see...

Also note well the wording here: " Also part of the contract is a MULTI OPERATOR real time passenger information system"

Remember too that these innovations are coming from Dublin Bus itself and have had to suffer endless delays due to Departmental chin-stroking and worrying about appearing to favour the travelling public above the poor motorist.....!

dubhthach

Option 1 for the Luas Line to Lucan (Line F) involves running the tramline down Dame Street. Only way that could be implemented would be to reduce amount of traffic on the street. Likewise BX will run up through College Green and onto O'Connell Street.

Nice pdf of proposed routes (including metro):
http://www.rpa.ie/upload/documents/Luas%20Line%20F%20Route%20Options%20Detailed%20Drawing.pdf

Carawaystick

So when cars are banned from Dublin city, everyone who want's to go somewhere else at 23:31 can get NO transport into the city.... cos god forbid anyone would be traveling that late. or anyone would want to get into Dublin before nine on a Sunday or public holiday. and obviously the corpo will close their car park first to show they mean business.

And it's not like there are't gaps in pubic transport in the city centre as it is.
take O'Connell st, Abbey st, Church st, Constitution hill, Western Way, granby row, Parnell square. No public transport serves inside this area, leaving a 1km by 0.9km area in the city centre completely unserved by public transport.

invincibleirish

Carawaystick wrote: »

So when cars are banned from Dublin city, everyone who want's to go somewhere else at 23:31 can get NO transport into the city.... cos god forbid anyone would be traveling that late. or anyone would want to get into Dublin before nine on a Sunday or public holiday. and obviously the corpo will close their car park first to show they mean business.

Introduce 24 hour public transport

Run_to_da_hills

invincibleirish wrote: »

Introduce 24 hour public transport

That's what taxis are for.

L1011

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

That's what taxis are for.

Not everyone can afford taxis; and they don't take social welfare passes either.

We must have one of the earliest closing public transport networks in Europe...

invincibleirish

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

That's what taxis are for.

Oh right, guess Berlin has the wrong idea then.

Run_to_da_hills

MYOB wrote: »

Not everyone can afford taxis; and they don't take social welfare passes either.

We must have one of the earliest closing public transport networks in Europe...

Try getting from South Dublin or any suburb into the City Ctr after midnight and the nightlink is as useless as giving a fish a bicycle. Dublin Bus must realise that people do live in the city Ctr and do work or travel from suberbs at night.

L1011

You can get back in from Maynooth.... on the return Bus Eireann Nightrider services. Thats about it...

Tails142

Lads calm down, they're only talking about closing down Dame Street through to Westmoreland Street and up to O'Connell Street.

You'll still be able to go up and down the quay, and round by Christchurch, Dorset street etc, etc.

I would guess that 75-80% of the traffic on those three streets are buses and taxis anyway due to turn restrictions and such so its really a storm in a tea cup.

paulm17781

Tails142 wrote: »

so its really a storm in a tea cup.

Of course it is. That's what this country does "Something is changing rabble rabble rabble." Next the NIMBYs will be out to say how the road is a part of our heritage and should be driven on more.

Run_to_da_hills

MYOB wrote: »

You can get back in from Maynooth.... on the return Bus Eireann Nightrider services. Thats about it...

Thats fine if you are living in Maynooth but try getting on this thing If you are waiting at a bus stop in Lucan.

penexpers

MYOB wrote: »

Not everyone can afford taxis; and they don't take social welfare passes either.

We must have one of the earliest closing public transport networks in Europe...

Actually, in alot of places on the continent, public transport starts winding down around 8pm.

shltter

Carawaystick wrote: »

So when cars are banned from Dublin city, everyone who want's to go somewhere else at 23:31 can get NO transport into the city.... cos god forbid anyone would be traveling that late. or anyone would want to get into Dublin before nine on a Sunday or public holiday. and obviously the corpo will close their car park first to show they mean business.

And it's not like there are't gaps in pubic transport in the city centre as it is.
take O'Connell st, Abbey st, Church st, Constitution hill, Western Way, granby row, Parnell square. No public transport serves inside this area, leaving a 1km by 0.9km area in the city centre completely unserved by public transport.

Absolute nonsense they are not banning cars from the city they have a plan which may or may not ever happen to close a couple of streets and open a couple of alternative routes.

And as for the the last part that is even worse what particular streets with this area would you like buses or trams on. Buses and trams traverse this whole area you could never be more than 500 metres from public transport. If your argument is that Dublin Bus or the LUAS does not go up and down every narrow one way cul de sac in the city as an excuse for not making improvements in public transport you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Lastly like or lump it people in large enough numbers to make it economically viable do not want to travel into the city after 11:30 if they did you would have seen a plethora of private operators rushing in to fill the need. They haven't because the demand is not there. Even in a city like London which has ten times the population of this city the night buses run largely empty and cost the TFL a huge money to keep running.

Since the deregulation of the taxi industry even the current limited Nitelink service has gradually been reduced as the demand is not there.

paulm17781

Who (that dislikes this plan) remember when traffic ran up Grafton st.? Do you also propose un-pedestrianizing that too?

Please people change happens in cities, nearly always for the public good. Stop whining at every little change before you even know any details on it.

trellheim

we've known for a while this needs to happen; this was published a couple of months ago in a transport committee meeting

BX and F both need this if they are going overground in the centre

Next step = charging past the canals

Colm R

To be honest, I would be in favour of closing the streets to private cars. Westmoreland St. is a bus hub now largely by accident. It now needs to become more organised and a whole lot safer.

Also a pedestrian friendly spine from the top of O'Connell Street to St. Stephens Green will do so much for Dublin.

As for travesing Dublin, there are other ways. The new Macken Street bridge will be one of these, which will give access to the North Circular Road from the South East.

Also, this proposal is one of the simple measures which has to be implemented. Other cheap simple measures need to be done too like P&R, wider bus lanes, reorganising some routes

de breeze

Curious this was floated by one F Fahey who is not even a Minister, just a committee chair. The 'plan' is linked to DTO without any mention of DTA which now has a board and a Chair - Tom Mulcahy.

Why not forget all this until DTA is fully operational AND we have an elected mayor who's accountable. Ken and Boris, love them or hate them at least Londoners had a choice.

Quiz: Name Dublin's current mayor...says it all really

L1011

de breeze wrote: »

Quiz: Name Dublin's current mayor...says it all really

Paddy Burke, but only know this as I had to look it up a few days ago when someone else asked and I thought it was still Catherine Byrne...

Flukey

I think it is a ridiculous idea, and I don't even drive. They should be using positive measures to ease traffic congestion, not negative ones. All this will do is shift the bottleneck. They should be trying to encourage people not to use their cars, not discourage them. If they put in the proper public transport, people wouldn't be bringing in their cars as much. Before any if you say it, it could be done without having to ban cars first. You don't have to do one before the other. A bit of regional development, so that not as many people need to go into Dublin at all, would also help.

Something like those measures rather than car bans and congestion charges, would be far better. No matter what is done there will always be a lot of people needing to bring in their cars and go through that part of the city for various reasons, so public transport isn't always practical for them. This idea will do nothing to help them either, just inconvenience them. We need positive measures, not negative ones to get people to change while also leaving the freedom for others who need to use their cars to still be able to do so, on any main street.

If this idea is so brilliant, why not ban cars from every single road in the country? We'd wipe out traffic jams, road deaths, drink driving and lots of other problems all in one go. Genius!

monument

Let's look at some of the facts reported by the Irish Times, the Sunday Business Post and RTE...

- There is no city centre car ban planned, there are restrictions planned

- This was not "floated" by one TD

- The plans hinges on 350 extra buses being provided

- Central to the plan is improving bus traffic flows, giving buses priority

- This grew out of what was "initially intended to be for the duration of construction works for the Metro"... remember, the areas cover what will be construction areas for the Metro North, and possibly two Luas lines

- It also has the support of the Minister for the Environment John Gormley, and the Dublin Chamber of Commerce

- These proposals were actual first reported by the Times earlier this year in March and on Sunday (in at least the Sunday Business Post) -- the radio and newspaper reports on Monday and Sunday were pretty much repeating details.

Flukey wrote: »

...They should be using positive measures to ease traffic congestion, not negative ones....

Depending on you viewpoint anything can be positive or negative.

But can you really say that this is not positive for public transport users, pedestrians and cyclists?

And here's some more from the Sunday Business Post...

The bus strategy, which was passed by the 15-member committee last Thursday, will be finalised next week, before it is presented to transport minister Noel Dempsey. Other proposals in the report include:

* increasing cash fares to encourage use of a smartcard, which Dublin Bus said it could introduce by December

* extending Railway Order legislation to include Quality Bus Corridors (QBCs)

* allowing buses and taxis to use the port tunnel at a reduced rate

* converting some motorway hard shoulders to QBCs.

jman0

It's a brilliant idea and one that is long overdue.
City centres really come to life once you get the cars out of way.
It's like giving the city back to people, rather than the motorists.

LFCFan

Can someone answer me this. Why are there not more Park & Ride facilities on the outskirts of Dublin? Surely if there were massive car parks on the N3, N2, N4 etc etc with very frequent bus/rail/tram services in and out of the city, it would reduce private car use in the city by a massive amount? All these new Motorways and improved roads in and out of Dublin are great but what's the point if you just hit a bottlenext 3 or 4 miles from your destination!

KC61

This plan is coming from the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, and not from Frank Fahey. It has yet to be finalised I understand.

It has not come about overnight, but after 6 months of hearings in which the Committee has held hearings on how to improve the bus transport operation in Dublin, taking submissions from bus operators (both CIE and private), bus unions, bus users (written submissions were invited in national newspapers earlier this year), Department of Transport, RPA, DTO, local authorities, and various others.

This arose from the fact that the Committee took the view (rightly in my opinion) that the bus network was one area that could be improved reasonably quickly, whereas most other projects are medium-long term. They then sought to understand how it operated and how it could be improved.

By seeking submissions from bus users, this was the first time that individuals got a chance to put their views to an official body.

Details of all the hearings can be followed at:

http://garaiste.yuku.com/forums/27/t/Joint-Oireachtas-Committee-on-Transport-Debates-Bus-Services.html

trellheim

kc61 : the committee has no power to make regulations, the Minister does that. I've been mystified why they've been doing this because it doesn't seem to have a point.


As for the

Why are there not more Park & Ride facilities on the outskirts of Dublin? Surely if there were massive car parks on the N3, N2, N4 etc etc with very frequent bus/rail/tram services in and out of the city, it would reduce private car use in the city by a massive amount? All these new Motorways and improved roads in and out of Dublin are great but what's the point if you just hit a bottlenext 3 or 4 miles from your destination!

issue, didn't

ABP just [ couple months ago ] refuse FPP for a huge P&R in Lucan ?


See
http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=TRJ20080130.xml&Node=H2#H2

AlekSmart

The manner in which this committee has addressed its brief should be held as model for future deliberations.

The benefits of several differing political strands being able to set-aside their various ideologies and LISTEN to the evidence being put before them was something to consider for future times.

The key to the success of this committee`s work lies in the initial decision to focus on what improvements could be achieved in the Short-Term and at low cost by investing in targeted improvements to existing Bus infrastructure.

This of itself excluded the usual hungry bands of Grandes Projet merchants with their vastly expensive schemes requiring Billions to even set in train (!)

I was particularly impressed with the Chairman`s ability to brush aside the PR based waffle which some of the delegates came armed with.

The Local Authority delegation were somewhat miffed when they were repeatedly pressed on what plans they had for Bus Based Park & Ride schemes.

In spite of constantly attempting to drone on about their arrangements with Iarnrod Eireann for RAIL based P&R it rapidly emerged that these hugely important professional planners and administrators had not even recognized the existance of the Bus as a viable contributor to Public Transport.

Full marks to the Committe Members for deciding to force the pace on their chosen route rather than waste precious time listening to the many and various Grande Plans being trotted out yet again for the media to rehash ....yet again on a slow news day.

The Committee also heard from Departmental Officials and drew some very interesting facts out of the murky Civil Service corridors such as the Departments total lack of knowledge as to how many unlicenced bus operators are out there.

The sight and sound of a senior Dept of Transport official having to admit to their total ignorance of this important statistic was surely a defining moment and the Official`s waffle about the Road Safety Authority having a Hotline for the general public to report these things to sounded ever more in the realms of P45 land.

Let us hope that the success of this committee`s work does not frighten the established Civil Service and its Political paymasters too much so that they decide to shut it down !!!!

KC61

trellheim wrote: »

kc61 : the committee has no power to make regulations, the Minister does that. I've been mystified why they've been doing this because it doesn't seem to have a point.


As for the


issue, didn't

ABP just [ couple months ago ] refuse FPP for a huge P&R in Lucan ?


See
http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=TRJ20080130.xml&Node=H2#H2

I am fully aware that it cannot make regulations. However, the Committee can make recommendations, and that is what the Minister for Transport asked it to do.

This plan is exactly that - a recommendation from the Committee following months of hearings on the subject from all of the interested parties.

Ham'nd'egger

3 pages into this thread and I am surprised that this was never mentioned already in any detail, but here goes....

The area proposed as being traffic restricted already is subject to car/vans restrictions on a 24 7 basis from a number of feeder points to this area. These are

• North Frederick Street, no entry for cars from Dorset Street. This links onto the no car access at O'Connell Street at the Parnell Square End.
• No right turn from Georges Street onto Dame Street.
• No left turn from Dawson Street onto Nassau Street and hence onto College Green.
• No entry for cars at Pearse Street at the Garda Station save for access.

As it stands, these are policed to varying levels of success in order to regulate traffic flow in and around the city centre; Georges Street and Nassua Street are quite well enforced; the Parnell Square end is a joke. Were they rigidly enforced, this area would be largely car free given the lack of access points for cars/vans and this action would be nowhere near drastic.

jman0

suppose i should wait before applauding the plan.
If they won't pedestrianize these places, then i'd go with turning them into Living Steets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_street

armada104

Flukey wrote: »

All this will do is shift the bottleneck.

Exactly. To make room for the buses. Noone is claiming otherwise.

lostexpectation

any maps of the area?

Bee

kaizersoze1980 wrote: »

about time. ban all cars from the city centre,

With the extra 350 buses all forms of public transport into Dublin will cater for approx 20% (Dept figures) of car travelling commuters.

Only a total Duckwit is capable of coming up with a non solution for Dublin like this one.

Sack the idiots that dreamt up that one

Lets have an election soon!

Bee

invincibleirish wrote: »

What and ignore cars? its all the cars in cities that cause congestion, public transport in anyform has to take priority.

Nope, it's total traffic mismanagement by DCC, public transport is part of the solution an integrated transport plan with the various agencies and most importantley car driving commuters must be brought into place.

Civil servants, TD's the poor and the unemployed and other social welfare recipients need public transport.

Removing car driving commuters will just create total congestion by buses in the city centre, have you seen the mess that O'Connell St is since buses have been prioritised? Its a total polluted traffic mess with buses and lunatic cyclists.

Bee

AlekSmart wrote: »

As if by magic a voice from above responds to Astrofool :


Dublin: init wins first contract in Ireland

Karlsruhe, May 5, 2008. init innovation in traffic systems AG scored in yet another key strategic move in European business: Dublin Bus, one of the largest Irish transportation providers, has now opted for the introduction of a telematics system from init. Under the recently signed contract, init will provide Dublin Bus with an intermodal transport control system (ITCS) for its bus network and equip around 1200 busses with COPILOTpc on-board computers, WLANrouters and the operating unit PRESSit.

Also part of the contract is a multi operator real time passenger information system including around 1000 PIDstation passenger information displays. The contract, as the first for init in Ireland, also includes the integrated statistical analysis software MOBILEstatistics, the reporting software MOBILEreports and an intranet solution which allows roadside inspectors to display real-time data on portable units. This contract with Dublin Bus is another large-scale project for an European capital.

The project starts at first with a specification phase. Then Dublin Bus will approve the further roll-out of the complete bus fleet. Dublin Bus intends to use the init solution to optimize its operations, improve the efficiency of vehicle management, and reduce its operational costs. With the passenger information system the citizens and visitors of Dublin shall be served with reliable real-time information at the bus stops. Services of Dublin Bus are used by around 146 million passengers each year.


For further information contact:


Alexandra Weiß
init innovation intraffic systems AG
Kaeppelestraße 4-6
76131 Karlsruhe
Tel.: 0721/6100-102
Fax: 0721/6100-399
ir@initag.de

So for those who still persist with the notion of "fumes from buses ticking-over on College St" which WAS a problem in the 1980`s and early 90`s,here is some concrete evidence of progress.......even if "Integrated Ticketing" will take a bit longer and not be REALLY integrated at all .......No Germans involved here Y`see...

Also note well the wording here: " Also part of the contract is a MULTI OPERATOR real time passenger information system"

Remember too that these innovations are coming from Dublin Bus itself and have had to suffer endless delays due to Departmental chin-stroking and worrying about appearing to favour the travelling public above the poor motorist.....!

You have totally missed the point! Hoo Haa for Dublin bus! But as you obviously do not know, Irish Rail, the Luas etc are pursuing their own agenda and *** WILL NOT*** agree to integrate with that system!:eek:

Bee

Tails142 wrote: »

Lads calm down, they're only talking about closing down Dame Street through to Westmoreland Street and up to O'Connell Street.

You'll still be able to go up and down the quay, and round by Christchurch, Dorset street etc, etc.

I would guess that 75-80% of the traffic on those three streets are buses and taxis anyway due to turn restrictions and such so its really a storm in a tea cup.

Good point, you highlight a good reason why traffic congestion is so bad due to inept traffic enginerring by the fools in DCC!

Bee

jman0 wrote: »

It's a brilliant idea and one that is long overdue.
City centres really come to life once you get the cars out of way.
It's like giving the city back to people, rather than the motorists.

Oh dear you really have the wrong end of the stick....

Street violence, especially against women, has increased along e.g. Abbey street to Capel st, basically where the Luas track runs due to a lack of cars flowing along in the evening.

Less fear of being seen by passing motorists has led to more anti social behaviour, have a word with Store St GArda station

trellheim

My Ass.

Street violence, especially against women, has increased along e.g. Abbey street to Capel st, basically where the Luas track runs due to a lack of cars flowing along in the evening.

Links or it didn't happen, that's outside my window.


What >is< true is that Jervis LUAS stop has become an extremely busy stop, and because it is hemmed in on both sides unlike SSG it's probably busiest station of them all

Because of this one gets a high proportion of nasties plying the crowd for alms etc etc you know yourself.

RedPlanet

Bee wrote: »

Civil servants, TD's the poor and the unemployed and other social welfare recipients need public transport.

What a ridiculous attitude.

mickoneill30

Bee wrote: »

With the extra 350 buses all forms of public transport into Dublin will cater for approx 20% (Dept figures) of car travelling commuters.

I heard a statistic quoted by a transport official last year that the buses (I don't think it was just Dublin Bus) already serve 50% of commuters into Dublin. So taking 20% of cars off the road would bump that up to something like 60% of total commuters.

Bee wrote: »

Removing car driving commuters will just create total congestion by buses in the city centre, have you seen the mess that O'Connell St is since buses have been prioritised? Its a total polluted traffic mess with buses and lunatic cyclists.

I walk along O'Connell St every morning. Is it really prioritised for buses? At least 50% of vehicles are cars (not taxis).
http://195.218.114.214/living_in_the_city/getting_around/traffic_cameras/

And what's with the constant references to buses being polluting monsters. They are, obviously, but what are the stats. 1 bus creates the same amount of pollution as how many cars? Then 1 bus during a day carries how many commuters?