So I bought mu "luxobarge" last Thursday.....

MrPudding

.....and this happened on Tuesday...

Max_Damage

Oh dear! The Mondeo came out the worst there!

mike65

You killed a Ford - Good man!

I take it, its all in hand.

Mike.

colm_mcm

I still don't like the rear end!

MrPudding

Hopefully repairable, but there is a lot of damage...

MrP

mike65

What speed roughly?

Mike.

Victor_M

Ah man, that's a pain in the hole! I hope it works out alright for you, lovely motor.

Timmaay

So the brakes work well on you luxobarge then:D! or did the mondeo driver have their head up their ass.

MrPudding

mike65 wrote: »

What speed roughly?

Mike.

Hard to say... I was stationary, reckon she was doing 30 or 40 maybe when she hit me the first time. Not sure what speed the second impact was.

Timmaay wrote: »

So the brakes work well on you luxobarge then:D! or did the mondeo driver have their head up their ass.

The brakes are great, but her head was up her ass...

MrP

stratos

Oh that sucks, that bites, I feel sick looking at it. Beautifull car, will be again.

Steve

Nasty, hope you werent injured MrP (or anyone else for that matter).

stratos

Stevec my god your right, Hope everyone was alright. cars are just metal.

MrPudding

Apart from the usual sore necks and seatbelt bruising, no human injuries. The woman "driving" the mondeo was in shock but otherwise unharmed.

The mondeo and golf are written off, mine is borderline.

MrP

Wishbone Ash

That's a sickner alright MrP.

Were you stopped at a junction/lights or just in traffic?

(I'd love to see her husband's face when she tells him that she rear-ended a 7 series! )

MrPudding

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

That's a sickner alright MrP.

Were you stopped at a junction/lights or just in traffic?

(I'd love to see her husband's face when she tells him that she rear-ended a 7 series! )

Stopped in traffic approaching a roundabout. I think they are in for a shock. In no fault incidents my insurance company provides me with a car of "equal size and status." So they have given me an S class at £450 per day rental. That will be a nice bill...

MrP

Wishbone Ash

MrPudding wrote: »

my insurance company provides me with a car of "equal size and status." So they have given me an S class

You should have held out for an A8!

mike65

Ouch an S-class as compensation, thats awful.

Mike.

MrPudding

mike65 wrote: »

Ouch an S-class as compensation, thats awful.

Mike.

I know. But I am trying to soldier on......

MrP

Fey!

MrPudding wrote: »

I know. But I am trying to soldier on......

It's OK, you'll, be back in a decent car soon!!!

Glad to hear there was noone hurt. A friend of mine had a similar incident several yeas ago in Enfield; he was stopped in traffis between 2 mercs and a guy in a transit wiped them all out! His very nice camry was destroyed!

Is that a 745Li by any chance? Nice looking bus.

Hope all gets sorted out. Bloody Golf drivers! :mad:

MSporty

Just goes to show how strong a 7 series is, the other two cars are in bits. Even from the pic though I can see your wheel arches are deformed so the impact has maybe done unseen damage to the chassis that might make the car a write off. If I were you id try to get an independent engineer in there to give you a report on the damage, the insurance company assessor/engineer might say that the car can be fixed because its borderline.

MrPudding

Fey! wrote: »

Is that a 745Li by any chance? Nice looking bus.

Correct. It was very nice.

MSporty wrote: »

Just goes to show how strong a 7 series is, the other two cars are in bits. Even from the pic though I can see your wheel arches are deformed so the impact has maybe done unseen damage to the chassis that might make the car a write off. If I were you id try to get an independent engineer in there to give you a report on the damage, the insurance company assessor/engineer might say that the car can be fixed because its borderline.

It is borderline al right, there is a serious amount of damage. It is with a BMW dealer for assessment, should have a price on Tuesday. I have to say I am concerned that they go for the repair and I am not happy with the result, time will tell.

MrP

Barr

Holy crap how did the Golf end up underneath the mondeo ....

I'm guessing the second impact was alot harder than the first.

Make sure the repair job is carried out correctly before you sign the satisfaction note ,get it check out by a second independant garage once work completed.

Make sure you negiotate adequate depreciation on your car as well. You are entitled to it once you come to resell your motor

*Tripper*

Christ, hope its ok man. Ha, but I just love the way that it seems like the 7 Series didn't move an inch.

MrPudding

Barr wrote: »

Holy crap how did the Golf end up underneath the mondeo ....

I'm guessing the second impact was alot harder than the first.

Yes, much harder, and unexpected....

Barr wrote: »

Make sure the repair job is carried out correctly before you sign the satisfaction note ,get it check out by a second independant garage once work completed.

I am actually really worried about this. I really don't want the car written off, but I do want it right.

Barr wrote: »

Make sure you negiotate adequate depreciation on your car as well. You are entitled to it once you come to resell your motor

Yes, the insurance company solicitors will take care of that for me. 10% of cost of repairs or something, isn't it?

*Tripper* wrote: »

Christ, hope its ok man. Ha, but I just love the way that it seems like the 7 Series didn't move an inch.

I know, it looks like they hit a wall... In truth it did move. I left my normal gap to the car in front, big enough so you can see it's tyres touch the ground, but I still hit him. THat said, it was a tiny impact with no damage to him or me, I was just a couple of inches too close.

MrP

Volvoboy

Oh bollox! I wouldnt be a happy bunny about that!


Check out the gap with the rear door and the 1/4 panel its almost non exsistant.:eek:



To be honest i'd be looking to get a new ''Barge'' i know if i paid big money for a car i wouldnt want it repaired so soon.

MrPudding

Volvoboy wrote: »

Check out the gap with the rear door and the 1/4 panel its almost non exsistant.:eek:

The rear doors are actually overlapping the 1/4 panels...:eek:

Volvoboy wrote: »

To be honest i'd be looking to get a new ''Barge'' i know if i paid big money for a car i wouldnt want it repaired so soon.

Christ! I didn't buy a new one..... It was an old one, I would not pay £65K+ for a car.

MrP

maidhc

MrPudding wrote: »

I am actually really worried about this. I really don't want the car written off, but I do want it right.

If it was my car I would want it written off to be honest!

Be careful about the solicitors your broker/insurance company give. I think the efforts they make can be a bit wanting, to put it mildly.

You probably also have a Personal Injury claim if you do feel a bit sore. I know some people have qualms about going down this route, but I can assure you the insurance co will have no qualms about trying to pay you less than the car is worth.

promethius

MrP
Glad youre ok that's an awful mess you've been dragged into, the bill is going to be massive of course. i'd be careful about what you say here (im not saying you're not) as from the photo it's a very identifiable incident.
Good luck and tbh i'd say a new car is in order but what do i know

MrPudding

promethius wrote: »

MrP
Glad youre ok that's an awful mess you've been dragged into, the bill is going to be massive of course. i'd be careful about what you say here (im not saying you're not) as from the photo it's a very identifiable incident.
Good luck and tbh i'd say a new car is in order but what do i know

Hopefully OK. Happened in the UK. The other parties are unlikely to frequent boards.

MrP

Barr

Did the airbags in your car go off ..this is usually a good indicator wether a car is going to be written off.

If I were you I would be hoping that the insurance company write the car off as no matter how good the repair job is it will always be a crash / repaired car. It will hit you when you come to trade it in.

It will be interesting to see how the insurers of the other two cars work out percentage liability as they will both have to accept responsibility.

MrPudding

Barr wrote: »

Did the airbags in your car go off ..this is usually a good indicator wether a car is going to be written off.

Funny story about the airbags.... The car was booked into the garage the following morning to investigate an airbag warning light. After the impacts I was helpfully informed by the car that it was sorry, the airbags and the pre-tensioners should have gone off, but did not. There was a distinct smell of cordite, or similar substance, so it seems the charges went off but nothing deployed.

Barr wrote: »

If I were you I would be hoping that the insurance company write the car off as no matter how good the repair job is it will always be a crash / repaired car. It will hit you when you come to trade it in.

I know what you mean, I am really in two minds about it. I have been looking for a similar car around the same money, but there is nothing. I just don't think I will get anything near as good. But then if it is repaired it might never be right. I know this is in the UK, but does anyone know what my rights are regarding satisfaction with a repair? I have heard very good reports about the quality of worked carried out by the outfit that have the car, they are highly regarded.

Barr wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how the insurers of the other two cars work out percentage liability as they will both have to accept responsibility.

My insurance company says this will be the trickiest part of getting a settlement. I think it is fair to say that the second driver driver going faster and braked later, but how do you figure that into percentages?

MrP

Barr

[I know what you mean, I am really in two minds about it. I have been looking for a similar car around the same money, but there is nothing. I just don't think I will get anything near as good. But then if it is repaired it might never be right. I know this is in the UK, but does anyone know what my rights are regarding satisfaction with a repair? I have heard very good reports about the quality of worked carried out by the outfit that have the car, they are highly regarded

Before the garage hands the car back to you , you will be asked to sign a satisfaction note (well thats the way in works in Ireland). This is the time to scrutinize the work done. It would be worth to employ the services of a qualified motor assessor to make sure all is in order. They can do a full report and judge things like alignment , quality of finish etc.

Funny story about the airbags.... The car was booked into the garage the following morning to investigate an airbag warning light. After the impacts I was helpfully informed by the car that it was sorry, the airbags and the pre-tensioners should have gone off, but did not. There was a distinct smell of cordite, or similar substance, so it seems the charges went off but nothing deployed.

The fact the airbags didnt deploy could make a big difference with regard to the repair cost and incidently wether car is written off .

My insurance company says this will be the trickiest part of getting a settlement. I think it is fair to say that the second driver driver going faster and braked later, but how do you figure that into percentages

This would'nt be an exact science , but the insurance assessor could probably tell the speed of imapct of the Golf with the Mondeo. They would take into account your version of event when you say the second bang was much harder . I would guess 70/30 or 80/20 in favour of Mondeo.

ninty9er

Barr wrote: »

Before the garage hands the car back to you , you will be asked to sign a satisfaction note (well thats the way in works in Ireland). This is the time to scrutinize the work done. It would be worth to employ the services of a qualified motor assessor to make sure all is in order. They can do a full report and judge things like alignment , quality of finish etc.



The fact the airbags didnt deploy could make a big difference with regard to the repair cost and incidently wether car is written off .



This would'nt be an exact science , but the insurance assessor could probably tell the speed of imapct of the Golf with the Mondeo. They would take into account your version of event when you say the second bang was much harder . I would guess 70/30 or 80/20 in favour of Mondeo.

Doesn't it normally work that the person the OP hit would claim from the OP, OP would claim from Mondeo covering damages and payout on car in front and the mondeo would claim that cost plus damages to the Mondeo, lumping the Golf with the most of the bill.

MrPudding

ninty9er wrote: »

Doesn't it normally work that the person the OP hit would claim from the OP, OP would claim from Mondeo covering damages and payout on car in front and the mondeo would claim that cost plus damages to the Mondeo, lumping the Golf with the most of the bill.

No one will be claiming from me....:D I did not cause any damage. I think in cases where the front car got hit by a second car and then the second car got hit by the third, but did not hit the first one again, this would be the case.

I think it gets more complicated when the second car hit me twice, but only one time under its own steam. In this case it is conceivable that the insurer of the second car will argue that they are not liable for all the damage to my car, as damage was undoubtedly caused by the second impact, which was nto technically her fault. Equally, the insurer of the third car can argue that they are also not responsible for all the damage as the car was already damaged at the time of the impact caused by their insured.

Interesting times...

MrP

mike65

Mr P you were inconsideratly stationary. Oh yeah don't forget to sue BMW Ireland for the airbag failure.

Mike.

Wishbone Ash

mike65 wrote: »

don't forget to sue BMW Ireland for the airbag failure.

Or BMW UK!

Lauder

Airbag faults are quite common in the 7 series. had an relative who crashed their 7 series because the airbag blew up before any impact. the airbag caused the crash. Court Case pending in that one.

unkel

Very sorry to hear about your troubles

Supreme car, great luxobarge! I'm sure you were just starting to love that car. But if it is a borderline write-off, I would push that agenda. The (repaired) car will never give you the same feeling of safety. You won't be able to sell the car on if someone would ask you the dreaded question. Have it written off. Move on.

ninty9er

unkel wrote: »

Very sorry to hear about your troubles

Supreme car, great luxobarge! I'm sure you were just starting to love that car. But if it is a borderline write-off, I would push that agenda. The (repaired) car will never give you the same feeling of safety. You won't be able to sell the car on if someone would ask you the dreaded question. Have it written off. Move on.

And take a look at unkel's sig...can we interest you in an immaculate, older luxobarge with no reported airbag issues:D:D

I'm surprised you still have it unkel, it's a stunning car.

MrPudding

I like the new shape, and I have to say, in the short time I had it, I grew very very fond of the 4.4 v8 and the space in tghe long wheel base version. Plus, there are some serious bargains over here...

MrP

MrPudding

Got the quote for the repair. £11500. That is for bodywork, but might include aribags etc. Once that is complete it will have to go to the BMW garage for a system check and any further repairs that may come up.

Insurance company is sending an assessor to check the quote and make a decision.

MrP

mike65

Fvck. I'd deffo nudge them towards a write-off and start again.

Mike.

golfpaul

MrPudding wrote: »

Funny story about the airbags.... The car was booked into the garage the following morning to investigate an airbag warning light. After the impacts I was helpfully informed by the car that it was sorry, the airbags and the pre-tensioners should have gone off, but did not. There was a distinct smell of cordite, or similar substance, so it seems the charges went off but nothing deployed.

:eek: glad to hear eyeryone was ok MrP. Hope you get it sorted out soon. Regarding the airbag fault this can be for a number of reasons:
A loose connector
Alarm Installation
Stereo Installation
Seat removal
Seat upgrade
Seat belt replacement
Steering Wheel removal
Steering Wheel upgrade
Fuse Removal
A corroded connector
Unplugged Wiring harness
Body Work
Engine compartment work

Depending on the fault the airbag may or may not activate in an impact. So everyone reading this with an airbag light on please get the fault diagnosed asap, it could save your life!!

workaccount

MrPudding wrote: »

Got the quote for the repair. £11500. That is for bodywork, but might include aribags etc. Once that is complete it will have to go to the BMW garage for a system check and any further repairs that may come up.

Insurance company is sending an assessor to check the quote and make a decision.

MrP

If you go the repair route are you not reducing the value of your car when it comes around the selling it?

unkel

Ouch! :eek:

What's the value of the car roughly, MrPudding? If it isn't that much more than the repair quote, I'll second Mike's suggestion

golfpaul wrote: »

So everyone reading this with an airbag light on please get the fault diagnosed asap, it could save your life!!

+1

Our '01 Rover 75 had an airbag light coming on intermittently. I booked it into Ryan's garage in Blanchardstown (previously a main Rover dealer) within a few days of the light coming up. Was there yesterday and the diagnostics suggested it was a loose sensor on the drivers door. Caused by frequent moving of the drivers seat (both me and Mrs unkel drive it). Sensor fixed. Total bill was just €78. Well worth the piece of mind!

MrPudding

unkel wrote: »

Ouch! :eek:

What's the value of the car roughly, MrPudding? If it isn't that much more than the repair quote, I'll second Mike's suggestion

£19495. I am going to wait to see what the insurance company assessor says tomorrow.

Completely off topic, but I checked on the revenue site to see what the VRT would be on one of these things..... €12000 odd. Fcuking rip off.

MrP

unkel

MrPudding wrote: »

I checked on the revenue site to see what the VRT would be on one of these things..... €12000 odd. Fcuking rip off.

Suggesting an OMSP of €40k here. Seems high to you, but it's not unrealistic imho. The high price is caused by the initial depreciation over here being quite low. The early ones are now 6 years old and still quite pricey. Also it is still the current model. Wait to see what happens to the second hand prices here next year and the year after. Next year the successor to the E65 should be available in RHD and the early cars hit the magic 7 years of age when prices start to crumble!

workaccount

unkel wrote: »

Suggesting an OMSP of €40k here. Seems high to you, but it's not unrealistic imho. The high price is caused by the initial depreciation over here being quite low. The early ones are now 6 years old and still quite pricey. Also it is still the current model. Wait to see what happens to the second hand prices here next year and the year after. Next year the successor to the E65 should be available in RHD and the early cars hit the magic 7 years of age when prices start to crumble!

What's the current successor to the E65 called? Where is it currently available?

When you talk about prices dropping you are referring just to e65 prices right or is the whole market set to come down.

What's this magic 7 years of age??

GavMan

MrPudding wrote: »

£19495. I am going to wait to see what the insurance company assessor says tomorrow.

so its worth 20K and about 12 to repair...its a write off for me every time.
Dont contend with anyless

E92

workaccount wrote: »

What's the current successor to the E65 called?

F01. The E66(the Long Wheelbase one) is being replaced by...the F02. All future BMWs will use F rather than E as the internal code by BMW, the next generation 7 series being the first BMW to be affected by it.

stratos

Am I missing something here, why would the airbags in the bmw go off. The airbags are triggered by an accelerometer, Only a front or side impact will trigger the appropriate bags. A rear end collision would not trigger an airbag deployment.