Herbal Smoke ?

jjedge

Herbal smoke what the Feck?

Does it work?
How Long Does it Last?
How is it legal?
Whats in it?

Overheal

like what Salvia?

tried it once. hated it. Half my body went completely numb and I had a panic attack so Ill stick to weed thanks.

jjedge

What about that spice gold stuf

Sherifu

Hello good sir, welcome to the internets :pac:

jjedge

Hard Times, Desperate Measures

JC 2K3

Salvia wouldn't qualify in this category. It's a strong, shortlived psychedelic, not a drug you'd use for chilling out with friends.

There are 2 main ones OP, Spice Gold and "Smoke".

A lot of people like Spice Gold, I didn't personally. It gives a lot of similar effects to weed. You definitely feel stoned, but I felt a lot more into myself and a lot more paranoid than from weed. It makes you quite sleepy too. I can see how some people might like it though.

I like Smoke. It's trippy. Makes you a lot more sedated and less sociable than weed if you overdo it, and it's very easy to overdo. I find it really good for sitting around watching a trippy movie with friends. Nothing overtly intense, but really interesting.

Try Trip-E pills also, another legal high which I feel is worthwhile. Nice, relaxed, happy feeling. Takes a while(1-3 hours) to come up though.

jjedge

Good Day young sir, thank you for your gracious welcome.

jjedge

How is this legal?

AlmightyCushion

There was a thread on this type of stuff before. It was locked. I'll leave this open but I'd just like to remind people about the rules:

Charter wrote:

Drug Talk
- Discussion of drugs is allowed. Telling people where to buy or requesting that information isn't allowed. Magic Mushrooms, Salvia, DMT etc. are covered by this. Why? Because the admins do not want to be held responsible for posts telling people where to get drugs of any kind. Simple. You can argue about the legality all you want as long as you understand the restrictions on such topics. There might be a forum on legal highs created soon so such things can be discussed in a controlled manner.

EDIT: Magic Mushrooms have now been made illegal. Again, talking about them will not get you banned. Giving advice about how to take, grow, store or process them will get you banned. Mature discussion is allowed and encouraged.

JC 2K3

We just can't mention where to buy legal highs, right?

(I wasn't 100% positive exactly why that last thread was locked, btw. There was one post with a link to a website which sold legal highs, which was against the charter, fair enough, but why that one post simply wasn't deleted as opposed to locking the entire thread I don't know. I PMed Terry asking why and never got a response.)

jjedge

Why If they are Legal and the Info can be found everywhere?

yummycake

JC 2K3 wrote: »

(I wasn't 100% positive exactly why that last thread was locked, btw. There was one post with a link to a website which sold legal highs, which was against the charter, fair enough, but why that one post simply wasn't deleted as opposed to locking the entire thread I don't know. I PMed Terry asking why and never got a response.)

I know ya I wondering why aswell :cool:

JC 2K3

jjedge wrote: »

Why If they are Legal and the Info can be found everywhere?

Say, hypothetically, legal highs got blamed for a death/injury and the persons/person's relatives said they found out where to get them on boards.ie. The admins reckon this would be bad press from boards.ie and therefore do not allow it.

Personally, I find it a bit silly, but meh, it's not like they're hard to find.

sdanseo

jjedge wrote: »

Why If they are Legal and the Info can be found everywhere?

You clearly need to re-read AC's post.

Why? Because the admins do not want to be held responsible for posts telling people where to get drugs of any kind. Simple.

AlmightyCushion

JC 2K3 wrote: »

We just can't mention where to buy legal highs, right?

Go by this line:

Giving advice about how to take, grow, store or process them will get you banned.

Talk about these things, which one is crap, what you think of them, whatever but just don't discuss the above.

jjedge wrote: »

Why If they are Legal and the Info can be found everywhere?

You can find porno everywhere yet it's still not allowed to be posted here. The reason is because it's dodgy territory and the admins will be held responsible. Simple as.

JC 2K3

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Giving advice about how to take, grow, store or process them will get you banned.

Talk about these things, which one is crap, what you think of them, whatever but just don't discuss the above.

The charter needs to be amended then, perhaps with this quote, if that really is boards.ie's policy.

I've seen many posts in AH giving advice on how to take drugs, and no action was taken, and it's not like there weren't mods around.

jjedge

Do they work? Anyone know whats in them?

Sea Sharp

there is something called spice-gold can be bought. It's worth trying IMO. It's a similar high to weed, only obviously not the same at all. Kind of tastes spicey. And salvia, it's too hard to describe. Everybody I know who's tried it said different things. For me the only way i can describe it is it felt like my whole body turned to into wood. The effects wear off very fast though. Only like 5 minutes

flanum

magic dust!

Kimbot

Spice gold is crap from what I remember.

Didn't bother trying any other legal highs. Remember the lad that ended up in Mullingar a few weeks after Katie French's death?? Well he was hospitalised because of these "legal" drugs. I know him well enough and he won't go near them at all now.

Tha Gopher

jonny24ie wrote: »

Spice gold is crap from what I remember.

Didn't bother trying any other legal highs. Remember the lad that ended up in Mullingar a few weeks after Katie French's death?? Well he was hospitalised because of these "legal" drugs. I know him well enough and he won't go near them at all now.

BZP I presume?

Horrible awful stuff. Did them with a mate once. The comedown involved him litreally holding me hostage in his house because he was terrified of being left alone. I could see he was starting to get paranoid before I was so for a laugh I started winding him up a bit, but it hit me soon enough. He agreed to let me kip in his bed while he stayed downstairs, the next hour was like the cold turkey scene from Trainspotting, shadows dancing on the ceiling, hearing voices, the lot. All the while he was downstairs calling random people he hadnt spoken to in years. Anyway, comes up the stairs, enters the room, Im paro he is coming to kill me. Spends the next 15 mins ranting and raving about various "bastards" backstabbers and general imginary vendettas, and thinking the IRA are after him.

Then his leg muscles froze up and he was convinced he would be paralysed. Not to mention the fact neither of us could piss even though we needed to go badly. He ended up in hospital in case the amt of time his leg was largely inactive could have caused a clot, doctor told him they were seeing more cases of this stuff by the month.


All in all a gas story to recall to people now Was fcuking horrible at the time though. Got up at maybe 11pm the morning before I took them, didnt sleep again until about 10:30 the Sunday night, and even at that I didnt get a proper sleep until the following Tuesday night.

unclebill98

Well i was not sure about Spice gold until i tried it.

Its nice stuff, as mentioned it does give you a high feeling.

Its not nice when over done or over used tbh.

Mr. CooL ICE

The "smoke" stuff is weird, and I can't say I'm a fan. It hits you like a train and is great for the first 30-45 mins, but after that it just goes downhill. I only tried it twice, and got a tremendous headache both times. Once I came up and down on it, that was it. I couldn't get high off it afterwards.

JC 2K3

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Also, due to the way it is something most people try once and never again (usually during a drought- there is a reason legal highs werent heard of before the Morrocans clamped down on the drug industry, giving the knock on affect that hash isnt nearly as easy to get hold of as years ago), it is so boring and unenjoyable banning it would be a waste of time due to the low rate of repeat use.

Would you ever get over the fact that you tried Spice Gold and BZP, found one boring and sleep inducing and the other to be overwhelmingly intense, extremely uncomfortable and scary, and realise that A)You've only done 2(maybe more, I only know of you mentioning the above 2) legal highs out of the dozens that exist. That other people have had positive experiences with these drugs, perhaps at lower dosages or perhaps just reacting to them differently. And C)If people only bought legal highs during cannabis droughts and everyone who tried a legal high hated it and never bought any others, head shops would have no business.

jonny24ie wrote: »

Spice gold is crap from what I remember.

Didn't bother trying any other legal highs. Remember the lad that ended up in Mullingar a few weeks after Katie French's death?? Well he was hospitalised because of these "legal" drugs. I know him well enough and he won't go near them at all now.

Why the quotation marks around legal?

Also, you do realise that legal highs contain a vast range of substances, ranging from research chemicals to plants and plant extracts? If you do your research on them, like you should with any drug, you'll know the risks you're taking, the correct dosage and the correct method of consumption. To say not to bother trying any legal highs because someone got hospitalised after taking one such drug (probably took too much and did no research on it), is utterly rubbish.

I might as well post a list of legal highs I've found to be worthwhile:
Clear Shot
Good for going on a night out dancing. It's an energy drink, but far, far beyond any normal energy drink. Red Bull doesn't even come close. This is because it contains Geranamine. Doesn't seem to increase heartrate or cause side effects like too much caffeine can induce such as the "jitters"(although there is caffeine in it). Combines very well with a small to moderate amount of alcohol and reduces the desire to drink excessively on a night out. Beware of a crash, similar to a very heavy caffeine crash (the caffeine in it is partly to blame) about 3-5 hours after taking it. Pricey unless bought online.

Trip-E
As the name might suggest, it's trippy. Come up takes between1 and 3 hours. Colours become brighter and more vibrant. Time seems to slow down a bit. Generally induces a sense of wellbeing and happiness. Not good in loud places with a lot of people. Best enjoyed in quiet, either alone or when chilling with a couple of friends. Can cause one to become quite introspective. Can cause slight stomach discomfort or nausea, but that generally passes quickly. The effects are primarily caused by LSA alkaloids in the Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds extract they contain, which are chemically related to LSD, but induce a much milder trip.

Smoke
A nice "herbal" smoking mixture. Trippy yet sedating. Best not to overdo it, less is more with this stuff. Good for chilling with friends. The nice thing about it is its short duration. The trippy effects only last for 45 mins to an hour and a half and the sedating effects wear off after about 3 hours.

Salvia
Contains Salvinorin A, the most potent naturally occurring psychoactive drug known to man. Very short acting, usually 5-10 minutes, but sometimes up to 30 mins. Plunges you into a totally alternate reality, leaves you incapacitated, sometimes uncontrollably laughing for the duration of the trip, though some people do wander around a bit. It is highly recommended that someone supervises you whilst tripping, though it is unlikely that you would be capable of harming yourself in that state.

Poppers
Lol, sorta **** while sober, but it's the ultimate drug enhancer. Interesting to use when you're on almost any other drug, especially strong on weed. What's said about it being only for gays is a load of crap.

Kimbot

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Also, you do realise that legal highs contain a vast range of substances, ranging from research chemicals to plants and plant extracts? If you do your research on them, like you should with any drug, you'll know the risks you're taking, the correct dosage and the correct method of consumption. To say not to bother trying any legal highs because someone got hospitalised after taking one such drug (probably took too much and did no research on it), is utterly rubbish.

Quotes were put there because I believe the government are trying to make them illegal soon??

I didn't sat don't bother, I just said I didn't bother with other ones. Just giving a story of how bad they can be for you tho.

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontpage/2007/1211/1197321592952.html

They ran with the whole cocaine issue but it was because if Legal pills he ended up in the hospital in critical condition and was touch and go for a few days.

invincibleirish

I find that when i sample the legal herbal products it just makes me really want the real thing.

Like drinking crappy fake coke and wanting the real deal.

In the end i always get the real coke.

ModeSkeletor

Is talking about salvia/etc on here might aswell be the same as talking about alcohol? Both are legal drugs, alcohol probably more dangerous. What is the difference?

invincibleirish

ModeSkeletor wrote: »

Is talking about salvia/etc on here might aswell be the same as talking about alcohol? Both are legal drugs, alcohol probably more dangerous. What is the difference?

if only we had a forum where we could talk about these things...oh wait i know.....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055202432

PS Dark side of the sun -great tune

ModeSkeletor

invincibleirish wrote: »

PS Dark side of the sun -great tune

That's ModeSelektor. I am ModeSkeletor

invincibleirish

ModeSkeletor wrote: »

That's ModeSelektor. I am ModeSkeletor

I just assumed...

Terry

Tha Gopher banned for two weeks for encouraging the use of illegal drugs.
Let that be a warning to the rest of you.

rubadub

jjedge wrote: »

How is this legal?

Because they have not been made illegal yet, simple as. Prohibition of drugs is a fairly recent thing compared to how long they have been in use. The more interesting question is why are the illegal ones illegal.

jonny24ie wrote: »

Remember the lad that ended up in Mullingar a few weeks after Katie French's death?? Well he was hospitalised because of these "legal" drugs. I know him well enough and he won't go near them at all now.

The vast majority of people who are hospitalised because of drugs are using legal drugs, nothing new or shocking about that.

ModeSkeletor wrote: »

Both are legal drugs, alcohol probably more dangerous. What is the difference?

Because mammy, bertie and the local sergeant use one of those drugs for non-medicinal/recreational reasons, so it is more socially acceptable because of that.

Top 20 most dangerous drugs as listed in the peer reviewed medical journal The Lancet

1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbiturates
4. Street methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines
8. Amphetamine
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate
16. Anabolic steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl nitrates
20. Khat

slipss

quick, quick everyone, use illegal drugs, they are fun.

DarkJager

The best of them has to be "Smoke". Spice Gold is just too heavy and its impossible to drink for a night while smoking it as you will very quickly find yourself asleep. With Smoke, as long as you don't hold it for too long it works a treat. Each to their own though....

nobodythere

Smoke is the only one worth getting - it is a bit like the real thing but makes your brain go numb. With the real thing you're off in your own thoughts but with this it's just staring at a wall.

As was said above, hard times, desperate measures

invincibleirish

grasshopa wrote: »

With the real thing you're off in your own thoughts but with this it's just staring at a wall.

As was said above, hard times, desperate measures

You need a widescreen, PES and an excellent selection of music to amplify the experience!

JC 2K3

I found smoke to be a lot more trippy than weed.

Watching Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas on it was deadly!

DarkJager

I've heard loads of people saying its trippy but I've never really experienced more than a slight soft focus while smoking it! What exactly constitutes as trippy?? (in terms of "Smoke")

invincibleirish

I find essentially with Smoke that you buy, build, light then smoke and as you inhale the first few times you get the sensation as if you are going to get stoned, but you stay on that sensation, patiently waiting.

Meanwhile the whole *spliff* is smoked and then you reach for the phone....

DarkJager

The taste of Smoke threw me off a bit the first time...can't quite place it but it tastes like cinnamon??? Still, that dawning realisation that you are actually stoned out of your face on something legal is always decent

Kold

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

You can find porno everywhere yet it's still not allowed to be posted here.

/Googles porn. HE'S RIGHT! HOLY F*CK!

JC 2K3

DarkJager wrote: »

I've heard loads of people saying its trippy but I've never really experienced more than a slight soft focus while smoking it! What exactly constitutes as trippy?? (in terms of "Smoke")

Hard to describe. A load of random images popping into my head, everything around me seeming really surreal, a feeling that I was sinking into the couch, the TV looking like a cardboard cutout....

TPD

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Hard to describe. A load of random images popping into my head, everything around me seeming really surreal, a feeling that I was sinking into the couch, the TV looking like a cardboard cutout....

I'm fairly fecked on Smoke at the minute. Had a bit to drink too, so I'm not completely accurate. In that kinda woozy-wavey-head-motion phaze at the minute. Quite an intense stonedness after taking a pass. Reading back, I read 'piss'. Yeah.

Anyway, good stuff.

MCTarakan

Hi! Can anyone give list of legal and illegal hights? Or give me link where I can find it. Is it similar to UK ones or we have some diffirinicies?

Thanks

Prof.Badass

Here's a crude list. Research them fully on erowid.org

alcohol (gaba agonist)
caffeine (stimulant)
nicotine (stimulant) btw, don't ever inhale a "reward system" drug. If you wanna do nicotine do the gum, otherwise you'll get addicted.
codeine (opiate-you have to do a cold water extraction or you will die!)
DXM (dissociative - check the other ingredients or you could **** up badly)
kratom (opiate)
bzp (dopamergenic stimulant)
tfmpp, meopp, mcpp (serotonin agonists)
"smoke", "zohai sx", "skunk"; (synthetic cannabinoid)
mescaline containing cactii; (psychedelic)
DMAA (dopamergenic stimulant)
Nitrous oxide (dissociative)
kava kava (gaba agonist) (not sure if these 2 are leagal)
betel nut (stimulant)
LSA containg seeds (psychedelic)

and loads of grey area drugs inside "party pills"

is methylone legal here?

Tak3n

For all those noobs who suggested spice gold and salvia, it is muck and cannot be compared to weed in the slightest...

The best legal highs I.E the ones that get you ****ed are:

"Smoke" - EXACT same effect as marijuana only with a slightly shorter half-life. You wont be able to find the ingredients anywhere on the net as they are trying to keep it quiet but is available to buy in most hemp shops.

Also the legal ecstasy tablets "XXX" but i would stay clear of them... really not worth taking unless you like not being able to sleep for 3 days and having hot/cold rushes and pupils the size of saucers. Think this one contains BZP which is illegal everywhere except europe and will soon be banned here too. Nasty stuff altogether...

Dragan

vinylmesh wrote: »

is methylone legal here?

As far as i am aware it won't be too long before that makes the banned list.

Methedrone should follow it shortly.

Kold

Tak3n wrote: »

For all those noobs who suggested spice gold and salvia, it is muck and cannot be compared to weed in the slightest...

Who was comparing salvia with weed?

Tak3n

Kold wrote: »

Who was comparing salvia with weed?

Dunno

Nehaxak

Is it against the rules to show (maybe through google maps?) the best fields in the Dublin mountains, near Johnny Foxes, to the left or straight ahead at the crossroads with Foxes on your right, turning left into what seems like a cul-de-sac and continuing around to the left until you get to a small forest with fields around it - to use for picking natural magic mushrooms ?

Natural annual growing season has started btw, best times are roughly 6.30am for the most intense little smurf villages to be picked...

Oh and Killiney Golf course lands are sprayed btw so don't pick them there :eek:

Captain Ginger

A while ago I bought stuff called "Smoke", was 35 euro for 3 grams so I was hoping it would be good, and jesus, stuff was insane. Only one place sells it so it's hard to get time to go in just to get it but it's really really good.

A decent amount will keep me going for almost two hours, although I tend to pack a lot in.