How helpful do you find the strategy forum?

NickyOD

What the title says. It's an anonymous poll but If you vote please give your reasoning.

KevIRL

invisible poll?

[nicK]

i'm all for it..
i find there's only very few people i would listen to anyway so it doesn't have much of an effect on how i would play a hand differently but it's always nice to know how other people think about hands..

[edit] voted: It's a pretty poor forum. Most of the posters here give bad advice except for a small minority.

but again, it doesn't matter for me.. it's good to know how bad players think about hands.. oh noez..

NickyOD

KevIRL wrote: »

invisible poll?

The post went up before I could edit the poll. It just takes a few minutes more.

BTW. option 5 is the new Atari Jaguar.

Seems more and more to be a way to feel better about a hand after you have played it. Every once in a while a very good thread comes up (NFR's recent thread v John O'Shea I thought was good) but they are rare enough.

It would improve vastly if people properly explained their thinking rather than just "I ship it here" or "snap fold". Those comments are fine if they are backed up by an explanation.

RoundTower

I voted for somewhat helpful.

I think it's pretty useful for good players who want responses to a specific question or hand, people who can quickly skim over the bad responses. Not so good for a newbie or weaker player who may take all the advice at face value, because the wonderful thing about a forum like this is how easy it is for the village idiot to get airtime.

RedJoker

There's some parts I'd agree with and other parts I wouldn't in the different options.

Overall my game has improved immensely, but like most things you get out of it what you put in.

Ste05

RoundTower wrote: »

I voted for somewhat helpful.

I think it's pretty useful for good players who want responses to a specific question or hand, people who can quickly skim over the bad responses. Not so good for a newbie or weaker player who may take all the advice at face value, because the wonderful thing about a forum like this is how easy it is for the village idiot to get airtime.

Pretty much my opinion too, there's not so many advanced topics lately, but if I have a query I think there are good posters with whom to get an opinion, the problem is getting to a point when you are able to realise who are talking sh1te and who you should listen to. Getting to that point is what is difficult for newbies.

Lazare

There's no poll option that represents how I feel.

It's very rare that a thread pops up where I feel I've really learnt something new or groundbreaking. In my mind that's a positive thing obv.
When I started posting here two years ago, I hadn't a clue what I was at, I've learnt an awful lot since then and my game has improved immeasurably thanks to this forum, but I feel it's kind've plateued in terms of what I can get from it. I've started reading MSNL on 2+2 for my knowledge fix.

This is all imo obv, I don't feel the forum has gotten worse, just that I feel I've gotten better, therefore I think it's an invaluable resource for someone learning the fundamentals of the game.

Kannon

i find it very helpful, although i echo what kayroo says about it being nicer when people give an explanation/reason for specific actions, rather than a few word answers which leave you thinking 'ok maybe i should have folded, but i'm not sure why'.
personally i give more weight to the opinions of those who offer explanations of why they would choose a particular action.
overall though its one of my favourite and definitely my most viewed forums on boards.

Marq

atari jaguar.

dvdfan

Since until lately this forum was the only one i posted on ive learned a great deal by posting on this forum. Ive also learned probably just as much reading other peoples posts and replying to them, however as Kayroo said there is too much ship it/fold one word answers which dont usually lead to any great discussion.

I think if more people just made 1 sentence replies why they say ship or fold people would learn alot more and more discussions would develop. But i think the same few posters put the effort in time after time.

I guess its because theyre around so long theyve seen the same questions again and again which is fair enough but when someone is puzzled by a hand ship or fold dosent help in any way at all because even if 100 people say ship it unless he knows the reason why hes shipping then hell make the same mistake again and come back and post it so a response like "Hed always 3bet AK preflop so i think your AQ is good here on that A high flop" is much more helpful because otherwise he might think always call all in with AQ on A high etc if you get the point im trying to say!

Lucky there is a good few posters here that do put some effort into replying because otherwise the people looking to learn wouldnt stay around and these people who learned from the old timers are the same people who will be helping the next bunch of newbies. Also there is a huge amount to be learnt in replying to other peoples posts as your going through thought processes, assessing images and defining ranges which is good practice for the real thing and improves your game.

Of course there is the occassional post that really dosent need to know why he should or shouldnt fold and generally gives a good description of images, ranges etc and just wants opinions of other posters he respects which is also fine. Typically these posts seem to get more responses simply because they decision is so close and people naturally like nothing more than to disagree with someone else which they dont get the chance to in most HH where the opinions are very 1 sided:D

Cue the endless Ship It and Fold and Move Up Levels posts:p

davidgti

RoundTower wrote: »

I voted for somewhat helpful.

I think it's pretty useful for good players who want responses to a specific question or hand, people who can quickly skim over the bad responses. Not so good for a newbie or weaker player who may take all the advice at face value, because the wonderful thing about a forum like this is how easy it is for the village idiot to get airtime.

+1 same as above,ty roundtower save's me typing;)

dvdfan

Ste05 wrote: »

the problem is getting to a point when you are able to realise who are talking sh1te and who you should listen to. Getting to that point is what is difficult for newbies.

This is one of the main reasons i chose here over 2+2 because theres just so many idiots and its hard to know whos talking crap or not especially when your learning and especially at the lower stakes.

HoLLLLLaments

i think its good. valor Hj etc. reg good strat posters really keep it going imo. i think there is some pretty bad advice given also tho.

davidgti

dvdfan wrote: »

This is one of the main reasons i chose here over 2+2 because theres just so many idiots and its hard to know whos talking crap or not especially when your learning and especially at the lower stakes.

yes well said bud and also easier to communicate & find out things:cool:

phantom_lord

I used to get a lot from it, and it's where I learned most of what I know about poker. But like what Lazare said it's kinda gotten a bit boring now, repetitive, and it's rare i get a lot out of a thread, definitely get more from reading msnl now. But, it's great having a few posters like valor/cs/hj etc, who's advice you can read and pretty much take as being the right answer, even if occasionally you have to go away and think about why it is.

zuutroy

The one thing I'd add is that we should implement a system similar to 2p2 where people are encouraged to reply with a decent answer instead of two words. It can be very frustrating when a really good player replies with something like:

1. Call
2. Fold
3. Meh, all-in

Theresalwaysone

To all the posters who say that there is bad advice given.

WHEN YOU SPOT IT!!! LET EVERYONE ELSE KNOW AND WHY IT IS BAD ADVICE!!!

kthnx

phantom_lord

zuutroy wrote: »

The one thing I'd add is that we should implement a system similar to 2p2 where people are encouraged to reply with a decent answer instead of two words. It can be very frustrating when a really good player replies with something like:

1. Call
2. Fold
3. Meh, all-in

idk, do threads like this one really need a paragraph of an answer?


tbf valor's couple of letters/words are usually worth more than a few sentances from most people.

Theresalwaysone

phantom_lord wrote: »

tbf valor's couple of letters/words are usually worth more than a few sentances from most people.

Not true. If thought processes or explainations were given it would help a lot more people in a much better way and it really doesnt take as much time.

Your guilty of it yourself shane and I dont know if it is cos of precedent or because your just a lazy know it all:p

cooker3

I'd rather a good player give a 3 word response then none at all

Theresalwaysone

cooker3 wrote: »

I'd rather a good player give a 3 word response then none at all

Yeah but you suck balls.

I wouldnt. I think it defeats the purpose of asking for advice. All they are getting is an answer, no method and no learning.

I know the argument that if they are given the answer then they will got and look for the why and the reasoning but they won't. In fact, posting it on this forum is their attempt at finding the why and the reasoning.

phantom_lord

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

Not true. If thought processes or explainations were given it would help a lot more people in a much better way and it really doesnt take as much time.

Your guilty of it yourself shane and I dont know if it is cos of precedent or because your just a lazy know it all:p

worse still, I'm a lazy ignoramus!

Mr.Plough

cooker3 wrote: »

I'd rather a good player give a 3 word response then none at all

+1

And I'm pretty sure any of the good players who give short answers would explain if you asked them why.

You can't expect someone to explain in every thread why 3betting an utg raise with aj is bad

RoundTower

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

Not true. If thought processes or explainations were given it would help a lot more people in a much better way and it really doesnt take as much time.

how can it not take as much time to write out an explanation as to write fold, call or raise?

you should be grateful to get advice from good players rather than moaning that they don't take you under their wing and guide you through your thought process in every hand.

Theresalwaysone

Mr.Plough wrote: »

+1

And I'm pretty sure any of the good players who give short answers would explain if you asked them why.

You can't expect someone to explain in every thread why 3betting an utg raise with aj is bad

You know what I mean. I mean if someone is posting a tricky spot and dont know the answer. well "call" imo isnt a sufficient answer even if it is right.

davidgti

RoundTower wrote: »

how can it not take as much time to write out an explanation as to write fold, call or raise?

you should be grateful to get advice from good players rather than moaning that they don't take you under their wing and guide you through your thought process in every hand.

+1 Very Well Said.....

Theresalwaysone

RoundTower wrote: »

how can it not take as much time to write out an explanation as to write fold, call or raise?

you should be grateful to get advice from good players rather than moaning that they don't take you under their wing and guide you through your thought process in every hand.

I should be grateful? What a load of ****. When someone asks me for help or advice because they need it I dont auto assume that person should be grateful. **** it, it didnt affect me in any way, it didnt cause me any hurt/money/any real time.

Stop sensationalising it. I wasn't asking to be taken under a wing. I am saying in general a little more in the way of explaination can only be a good thing for this forum. If its repetitive so what, repetition helps learning as much as understanding does.

cardshark202

People who moan about everything not being spoonfed to them don't deserve any advice at all. We've been through this before. When someone posts a one word answer like 'check/fold' or something, spend a moment yourself and think why they would say that. If you can't think for yourself you won't learn a thing.

cardshark202

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

If its repetitive so what, repetition helps learning as much as understanding does.

So you want someone to repeat themselves over and over again because you're too lazy to think for yourself?