Ireland after sea level rise.

cgjfinnn76

quick answer to the people that quote the last 10 years of tempreature stability as proof that global warming is not real

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fclauson

No I have no idea if its warming or cooling but lets look at some graphs from various experts

The only certainty is there is uncertainty








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AngryHippie

fclauson wrote: »

No I have no idea if its warming or cooling but lets look at some graphs from various experts

The only certainty is there is uncertainty

Many people get hung up on the word 'warming'

What we need to be cautious of, is climate change.

It doesn't matter whether it is warming, cooling, drying or wetting, if it is significantly different from our current normal climate (35 year trends/patterns) then it could be calamitous for our settlement patterns, food production, energy generation and infrastructure. Full stop.

For example
The Ceide fields in Mayo had a meditteranean climate 5000 years ago, but if there is significant change to our current ocean or prevailing wind currents, it could turn into a polar circle climate.

Take for example the storms of this January, both were 1 in 5 year events, in the same month. (on both wind and rainfall scales)
Now zoom the scale out a little further to compare the last 5 years of the same month, and a little further to include the months of July each year, and include temperature and rainfall elements.

Is the pattern one of change ?

Is it statistically significant on a 35 year or 50 year scale?

If that is the case, then for the Island of Ireland, Climate change is real.

There is no point in looking too closely at models or extrapolated data to 2050 in a serious discussion, because they all have their weaknesses and flaws.

instead, take what does exist, push it to the 95% certainty levels and build something to stand on.

Leave the models and the interpretation for when we can all agree that there is a problem, or at the very least, a statistically significant trend.

Then we can start projecting and taking steps to try and either gain control of the problem, or deal with the consequences.

fclauson

AngryHippie wrote: »

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What we need to be cautious of, is climate change.

It doesn't matter whether it is warming, cooling, drying or wetting, if it is significantly different from our current normal climate (35 year trends/patterns) then it could be calamitous for our settlement patterns, food production, energy generation and infrastructure. Full stop.

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Completely agree - climate change is happening - and humans are one of the causes - and CO2, particulate emissions, clearing of land,moving about - just about anything will have an impact . There are also intergalactic, and subterranean causes too which we have zip control over.

The question is what is the most appropriate action to work with that change ('cause we ain't going to reverse it)

It should be innovation innovation innovation - and Ireland is really good at that.

Fries-With-That

I thought this was interesting,

http://e360.yale.edu/slideshow/nasa_animation_shows_relentless_pace_of_warming_since_1950/264/1/

djpbarry

cgjfinnn76 wrote: »

quick answer to the people that quote the last 10 years of tempreature stability as proof that global warming is not real

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/SkepticsvRealistsv3.gif

On rare occasions, a poster is justified in resurrecting a 6-year-old thread because they have a valuable contribution to make to a still-relevant discussion. The above definitely does not fall into this category.

Secondly, all discussion of climate change goes here - no exceptions.

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