Poker Investor 50K, closing thread

pokerplayer

Why is that thread closed.
A lot of people were interested in it and may benefit from it.
Just because i give out about some stupid posts, a mod decides to close it without asking anybody.
I had lots of questions to ask of people like 5Star, luckylloyd, nicnic, connie143 etc.
This is an interesting topic for a lot of people, no matter if they have 50k or 500 hundred euros.
Thank you

TheBlackThing

I'd imagine it was closed because you failed to give any info despite being asked numerous times. It's hard for anybody to give any usefull advice because of this and it made the thread a waste of time.

pokerplayer

well the point really is what would you do in this situation.
how would you approach it.

Ste05

TheBlackThing wrote: »

I'd imagine it was closed because you failed to give any info despite being asked numerous times. It's hard for anybody to give any usefull advice because of this and it made the thread a waste of time.

Yep.

And this one will go the same way probably. Unless you provide some answers so we don't waste our time providing proper replies to a possible troll (search wikipedia or urbandictionary, if you've never heard this term)

pokerplayer wrote:

Just because i give out about some stupid posts, a mod decides to close it without asking anybody.

I don't need to ask anyone to lock a thread and it wasn't locked because you gave out about some stupid posts. I explained why I locked it if you read my post. But I'll repeat myself, it was locked because as with every serious reply in that thread, (i.e. the ones asking you questions and seeking clarification) was ignored. If you actually want real advice you need to give us something to work with. The advice you get is only ever as good as the information you provide. In the last thread you gave no information and you actually didn't get any serious replies.

Here are just 2 of the posts that asked for more info, feel free to take the time to answer them, if you expect people to take the time to answer your questions.

Lao Lao wrote: »

I'm sure this is a wind up but I am curious never the less

Can you please advise (as some have already asked)

1) How long have you been playing poker?
2) Do you mainly play on-line or live?
3) Do you mainlyplay cash / tourney?
4) How many tourney's have you pled roughly?
5) What's the biggest win you've had so far?

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

If you are serious (which I kinda doubt) don't come on here and expect serious advice if you fail to detail:

- who you are;
- how long you have been playing;
- what games you play;
- what your winrate / expected winrate is in those games;
- what your educational / professional background is;
- what age you are;
- how much time you have to invest in the project;

Do all of that and someone might sit you down and give you a good response.

Ste05

AdMMM

Why are you asking us what we'd do with the 50k? It seems pretty pointless given that you're the one with the money and your own strengths and weaknesses.

Any hypothetical approach that I'd take would be irrelevant for you because I'd base my decision on my own strengths and weaknesses as a player.

coillcam

pokerplayer wrote: »

Why is that thread closed.
A lot of people were interested in it and may benefit from it.
Just because i give out about some stupid posts, a mod decides to close it without asking anybody.
I had lots of questions to ask of people like 5Star, luckylloyd, nicnic, connie143 etc.
This is an interesting topic for a lot of people, no matter if they have 50k or 500 hundred euros.
Thank you

Welcome to the forum pokerplayer.

Basically the thread was pants, with people not bothered in doing anything for you as your posts seem genuine albeit they are quite vague and can be considered to be Troll-feed.

Until you give us some more information you will get no suitable advice IMO here. You need to give some feedback otherwise there is no benefit to you or anyone looking at this thread in a potentially similar scenario down the line.

So as before:

How long have you played poker for?
Online: What Limits do you play? Do you play PL Omaha
Live: As per Above?
You play tournaments----> What is your regular level of Buy Im ?
Less than €50, €50-€100, €100-€200, €200-€500, €500-€1500, €1500+?
What's your biggest Tourney score and Cash Session?
What's your current Poker situation, Fully Pro, Semi-Pro, Recreational?
Have you every been staked before?
What are your thoughts on Bankroll management?
What are your thoughts on Variance/Downswings?
What are your thoughts on gut-shot draws?

etc, etc......

If you would so kind as to take even 5 mins to answer some of these questions or similar you will get a satisfactory response.

pokerplayer

well so lock it so, if you feel it is of no benefit to anybody else.
i found it great.
thank you very much.

Ste05

pokerplayer wrote: »

well the point really is what would you do in this situation.
how would you approach it.

Another question. What exactly are you talking about?

Some rich guy gives any of us 50k to play Poker and so what would we do with it??

I'll answer for about 99% of serious Poker players for you. We would play whatever we are best at, be that cash or Tournaments, Live or on-line, etc. etc.

You're effectively asking us how long is a piece of string, because what we may or may not do, could and probably is completely irrelevant to what your strengths and weaknesses are.

With those 2 posts I've spent as much time on this thread as I'm going to without you providing info, the thread is also on a very tight rope for locking, as I have a feeling you will just completely ignore my posts or give some throw away answer, or very non-specific answers.

Ste05

TheBlackThing

pokerplayer wrote: »

well so lock it so, if you feel it is of no benefit to anybody else.
i found it great.
thank you very much.

If you are genuine about this why don't you just answer the questions and you probably will get some good advice on how to go about it?

Ste05

TheBlackThing wrote: »

If you are genuine about this why don't you just answer the questions and you probably will get some good advice on how to go about it?

I'm getting the feeling it was actually just a hypothetical situation now, and I suppose some people might enjoy a thread about what they'd do if some mental old millionaire gave them 50k to play Poker with and who doesn't care if you blow it all.

pokerplayer

was just trying to find out had anybody any useful suggestions for this project,
basing the advice on what you would do personally in this siuation.
thats all.

pokerplayer

it is 100% true

pokerplayer

its not that he does not care if i blow it,
he would like it to work and if it fails, ok no problem,
we wont be doing it again.

Killme00

Would you be interested in doing a session down the well?

zuutroy

pokerplayer

coillcam wrote: »

Welcome to the forum pokerplayer.

Basically the thread was pants, with people not bothered in doing anything for you as your posts seem genuine albeit they are quite vague and can be considered to be Troll-feed.

Until you give us some more information you will get no suitable advice IMO here. You need to give some feedback otherwise there is no benefit to you or anyone looking at this thread in a potentially similar scenario down the line.

So as before:

How long have you played poker for?
25 years
Online: What Limits do you play? Do you play PL Omaha
above 100, no
Live: As per Above?
You play tournaments----> What is your regular level of Buy Im ?
above 100
Less than €50, €50-€100, €100-€200, €200-€500, €500-€1500, €1500+?
What's your biggest Tourney score and Cash Session?
tournaments steady, cash dont play much
What's your current Poker situation, Fully Pro, Semi-Pro, Recreational? semi pro like a lot of people in poker i think
Have you every been staked before?
no
What are your thoughts on Bankroll management?
tight dont lose a lot of bank role
What are your thoughts on Variance/Downswings?
you must think about the next hand
What are your thoughts on gut-shot draws?
fold

etc, etc......

If you would so kind as to take even 5 mins to answer some of these questions or similar you will get a satisfactory response.

.

luckylucky

If I was approached in this manner. I'd give my backer a number of choices.

I would be confident(as in I do )I could could beat any of the sngs on ipoker and up to 5/10 plo cash games on iPoker. So based on that I would tell my potential backer that I could

1. Play the $200-$1K sngs on iPoker
2. Play up to $5-$10 plo, with the option to move up to $10-$20 if the arrangement was working well.
3. If the backer wanted a more high risk/high reward punt I would say I'd give the $25-$50 plo cash games a go on iPoker - but I would make it clear that this was high risk.

pokerplayer

thank you luckylucky thats a good help.

sproodles

Why are you deliberately avoiding these questions pokerplayer? If you cannot understand why information on the stakes you play, your skill level and preferred game types are valid then I strognly suggest you buy 50,000 scratch cards, empty out your purse and a packet of elastoplast for a chance of winning anything at all.

pokerplayer

sproodle can you put yourself, you, in this position and tell me your plan

5starpool

Why won't you give us more information?

If for example 10 people replied all saying play cash games or Omaha tournies or duece to seven lowball etc this might be of no relevance to you as you might be a tourney only player. If you are someone who has only ever played online then people would give you different advice to someone who has played loads live as well. If you are someone who has never won a tourney then people would tell you something different than if you are a regular tourney winner with some results.

Thi thread is idiotic and pointless without knowing this. As far as we are concerned you are some random punter who might have played a few pub games and done ok who has a rich mate. On the other hand you could be a very successful online player. We can't tell, but due to your previous posts it is easy to see why people are leaning towards the first type.

YULETIRED

[SIZE=+0]Personally I'd follow roundtowers advice and enter Vegas donkaments.....[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]Now what would YOU do pokerplayer ? [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]The backer wouldn't be yourself would it? Are you Brian McFadden? If so don't play poker, OR SING....[/SIZE]

belgo27

sproodles wrote: »

Why are you deliberately avoiding these questions pokerplayer? If you cannot understand why information on the stakes you play, your skill level and preferred game types are valid then I strognly suggest you buy 50,000 scratch cards, empty out your purse and a packet of elastoplast for a chance of winning anything at all.

I was going to say 50000 cans of hollandia

pokerplayer

YULETIRED wrote: »

[SIZE=+0]Personally I'd follow roundtowers advice and enter Vegas donkaments.....[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0]Now what would YOU do pokerplayer ? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0]The backer wouldn't be yourself would it? Are you Brian McFadden? If so don't play poker, OR SING....[/SIZE]

yes like that advice from roundtower, but not sure about the structure of tournaments in vegas, i heard a lot of 1k to 3k tournaments are very badly structured regarding time and starting chips.

RedJoker

If it was me I'd definitely go to vegas. I'd spend a few K on coaching first of all. Then I'd play a good few tournies and grind cash games the rest of the time.

"What's your biggest Tourney score and Cash Session?"

You didn't answer this question properly, he was asking what the most money you've ever won in a tournament and the most you've ever won in a cash game was.

"What are your thoughts on gut-shot draws?
fold"

Sorry, the correct answer was, of course, to shove.

sproodles

There is no point in me putting myself in YOUR position. YOU are not ME. So doing this is irrelevent. For someone with allegedly 25 years experience you would think you would know how to BR yourself.

Deliberately vague.

Unsubscribe.

pokerplayer

5starpool wrote: »

Why won't you give us more information?

If for example 10 people replied all saying play cash games or Omaha tournies or duece to seven lowball etc this might be of no relevance to you as you might be a tourney only player. If you are someone who has only ever played online then people would give you different advice to someone who has played loads live as well. If you are someone who has never won a tourney then people would tell you something different than if you are a regular tourney winner with some results.

Thi thread is idiotic and pointless without knowing this. As far as we are concerned you are some random punter who might have played a few pub games and done ok who has a rich mate. On the other hand you could be a very successful online player. We can't tell, but due to your previous posts it is easy to see why people are leaning towards the first type.

thank you for your earlier advice.
ye its mostly tournaments online and some live
with fair to good results.

RedJoker

pokerplayer wrote: »

yes like that advice from roundtower, but not sure about the structure of tournaments in vegas, i heard a lot of 1k to 3k tournaments are very badly structured regarding time and starting chips.

Afawk this would be beneficial to you.

strewelpeter

pokerplayer wrote: »

How long have you played poker for?
25 years
Online: What Limits do you play? Do you play PL Omaha
above 100, no
Live: As per Above?
You play tournaments----> What is your regular level of Buy Im ?
above 100
Less than €50, €50-€100, €100-€200, €200-€500, €500-€1500, €1500+?
What's your biggest Tourney score and Cash Session?
tournaments steady, cash dont play much
What's your current Poker situation, Fully Pro, Semi-Pro, Recreational? semi pro like a lot of people in poker i think
Have you every been staked before?
no
What are your thoughts on Bankroll management?
tight dont lose a lot of bank role
What are your thoughts on Variance/Downswings?
you must think about the next hand
What are your thoughts on gut-shot draws?
fold

FYP

5starpool

pokerplayer wrote: »

thank you for your earlier advice.
ye its mostly tournaments online and some live
with fair to good results.

Fair to good when compared to who? Phil Ivey? Me? Some random degen? Someone who has never played? Why should we answer your questions when you won't answer ours?

pokerplayer

strewelpeter wrote: »

FYP

what does FYP mean

jbravado

Beat thead ever. One minute of my life I can never get back.

Ste05

5starpool wrote: »

Fair to good when compared to who? Phil Ivey? Me? Some random degen? Someone who has never played? Why should we answer your questions when you won't answer ours?

So glad you took over this one Dom...

pokerplayer

5starpool wrote: »

Fair to good when compared to who? Phil Ivey? Me? Some random degen? Someone who has never played? Why should we answer your questions when you won't answer ours?

ok as i said if you do not think that this is beneficial to anybody else, and that nobody will find themselves in a similar situation in the future, as poker grows and maybe more people with lots of money will see it as an investment like any other investment.
then close the thread.

RedJoker

pokerplayer wrote: »

what does FYP mean

FYP = fixed your post.

If you were wondering, afawk stands for "as far as we know".

pokerplayer

RedJoker wrote: »

FYP = fixed your post.

If you were wondering, afawk stands for "as far as we know".

thank you very much

LuckyLloyd

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pokerplayer

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Yes they are, but they are also filled with the highest amount of the worst players for any tournament with that type of prizepool. Plus, if you are a tournament player with 25 years of experience, your edge should be derived from the fact that you play a situation with average stacks of 10 - 30BBs very well.

While there is no doubt that the $1500 - $3000 WSOP events have huge variance, if you could play enough of them a good player would surely be expected to profit greatly from them.

If someone gave me $50k and instructed me to go out and gamble up for a big score. I'd take $5k for travel / accommodation. I'd take $10k for the WSOP ME. Then I'd be in Vegas for the duration of the WSOP and would aim to play every $1.5k WSOP event and spend the rest of the money on as many of the $1k Venetian deepstack tournaments as I could manage (they have a decent structure and still boast good prizepools).

If at the end of the series I had cashed here and there but had not seen a profit, I'd enter the $10k WPT Bellagio cup event which begins towards the end of the WSOP ME and try and give me a final shot at a big spin. Then home. Because after that long in Vegas you would be exhausted and probably sick to death of the place.

Thats what I would do as a limited player who's best strength is live tournaments. At the end of the day, if your investor happens to have $50k to ivest in you - then he probably would be able to put it somewhere else with a higher expectation of a positive return. It would be entirely possible to play $50k worth of tournaments in Vegas during the world series; play every hand of everyone optimally; and still lose the lot. The variance in tournament poker is extreme. That said, if I got a freeroll like that, I'd be hopeful I could play well enough / run well enough to click a score over the duration of the series. But I tend to be very optimistic like most gamblers.

If you head over to Vegas make sure to sort out your tax form / make arrangements to move money to the rio before you go (you can't carry more than $9,999 undeclared).

very good
thats excellent advice, thank you very much luckylloyd

belgo27

Unrelated interest question, but if you won a large cash prize in one of the wsop's , how would you go about accessing it from home?. Would you just leave it in one of the casino cages?

smurph

Okay, it took while but I think I have you sussed,

Your from clondalkin, long time lurker, 1st time poster.

Your family just won 15 million in the lotto

Your going to give the best reply to your questions the €50K bankroll and let them on their merry way.

Now im off to try on my size 14 jeans and they will actually zip up.

You are the weakest link, GOODBYE

cardshark202

This is such a gimmick. Still can't think who it could be though.

Blip

pokerplayer wrote: »

very good
thats excellent advice, thank you very much luckylloyd

100% agree, that is excellent advice and so too is all the other good advice given to this guy, unfortunitly a waste of good advice and time imo.

IBL

RedJoker

smurph wrote: »

Okay, it took while but I think I have you sussed,

Your from clondalkin, long time lurker, 1st time poster.

Your family just won 15 million in the lotto

Your going to give the best reply to your questions the €50K bankroll and let them on their merry way.

Now im off to try on my size 12 jeans and they will actually zip up.

You are the weakest link, GOODBYE

You'd have gotten much better replies if you went with this line at the start OP.

careca

Has to be Bertie Ahern. He has dodged every question so far, reiterating the same answer "No, what would you do".

Was the €50K in a brown paper bag?

CHD

Lock this up and ban him hes full of it

pokerplayer

cardshark202 wrote: »

This is such a gimmick. Still can't think who it could be though.

it is 100% true, why dont you just put yourself in this position and give some helpful advice

pokerplayer

chdpoker wrote: »

Lock this up and ban him hes full of it

could you please tell me why would i bother writing into this forum, i have better things to do, just asking your advice.
is one off the reasons for a forum to give advice.

califano

I wonder who could the shrewd investor be.

Mr.Plough

nicnicnic

probably terry ramsden

sproodles

Originally Posted by pokerplayer
How long have you played poker for?
25 years

Yes and I have been a molecular scientist working as a double agent for the former Yugoslavian republic of Macedonia for 50 years while still maintaining my persona as an Irish out of work Brickie.

You play tournaments----> What is your regular level of Buy Im ?
above 100

How much above? what is your range 100-200? 100-5 gazillion?? MTT or STT? Its pretty simple really if you work off the basis of 25 buyins for STT and 100 buyins for MTT you have your answer.


Less than €50, €50-€100, €100-€200, €200-€500, €500-€1500, €1500+?
What's your biggest Tourney score and Cash Session?

tournaments steady, cash dont play much

This is not an answer to the question. The questions was what is your BIGGEST tourney score. Ok at least now we know you cant play cash.

What's your current Poker situation, Fully Pro, Semi-Pro, Recreational?

semi pro like a lot of people in poker i think

Actually I think you will find that most people who play poker are losing amateurs like about 90% of them...


What are your thoughts on Bankroll management?
tight dont lose a lot of bank role

Ok this is where the 25 years experience starts smelling like cow dung.

What are your thoughts on Variance/Downswings?

you must think about the next hand

So you really have just played about an hour of play money online poker and read a couple of posts right?

What are your thoughts on gut-shot draws?
fold
What if it was checked to you... or the bet priced you into the hand... aroma increasing exponentially