[US/IRL] 4X09 - "The Shape Of Things To Come" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME" -

Episode Title: "The Shape Of Things To Come"
Airdate: April 24th 2008

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Jack tries to discover the identity of a body that has washed ashore. Meanwhile, Locke's camp is attacked by Ben's adversaries.

Next New Episode: 4X10 -

Something Nice Back Home

- May 1st 2008

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ABC (US) - April 24th 2008
RTÉ (IRL) - April 28th 2008

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Basq

8

Wahey.. those 5 weeks went FAAAAAAAAR too slow!

Enjoy all!

** unsubscribes from thread and the prospect of viewing Sad Professor's spoilers **

Sad Professor

9

Fear not, basq. As big a night-owl as I am I don't think I'll see this tonight. Due to DST and the new time-slot this ep doesn't end till 4 our time, about two hours later than before the hiatus. I think I'll wait and watch it tomorrow evening along with everyone else.

I feel sorry for the Sky viewers in the UK though, they have to wait until Sunday week. Ouch.

eddiehead

9

Sunday week? ooh, i wouldnt like dat. Hopefully ill have seen it a.s.a.p(like 6am tomorrow) or i have to wait til saturday, and i wont be able to avoid the spoilers til then.....lets hope i wake up early enough, lol:rolleyes:

Basq

8

Have been hearing absolutely AMAZING things about this episode.. widely regarded as one of the best in recent years!

Fecking work! :mad:

spockpower

wow:eek::eek:


that was a great great episode

loved the flashforwards- ben is one bad muthafu**er:cool::cool:

the smoke monster was huge today.... kicked sum freighter arse but what was ben doing letting alex die:(:(
oh well at least now we can see an angry ben at war:p:p

Also Starring LeVar Burton

6

I expected more for some reason. No major jaw-dropping moments apart from

Alex being killed

. Couldn't give a monkey's about Nadia and Sayid and as for the final scene, just because Ben says he'll do it - doesn't mean he'll get the chance, so who cares? Here's hoping next week will be better.

Requiem4adream

8

I thought it was a great ep...... the end scene for me is a lot deeper in terms of it once again throws into question whether ben is one of the good guys or not. there's definite scope for role reversal with Widmore being the good guy. Also

the desmond and penny storyline always been my favourite, if ben kills penny i'll be gutted!

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Few points of interest - gives the date in Tunisia, shows how Sayid came to work for Ben (again a lot different than one might think). Some great scenes with Ben in the desert, also some great 1 liners from Sawyer. Good to see more of Bernard in the beach scenes, always seems to get some decent cameos. Alan Dale is another actor who commands the small screen extremely well. More please.

THE talking point for me is the references to "changing the rules". What rules and what was changed? Also, why is Hurley needed to reach Jacob?

A few slight negatives/peeves were : Claire being underused as always.

and

Where the hell do they find these bit-part actors for the english/scottish parts? Check out the accent on the hotel porter. Jesus. Really off putting coming up to the last scene. /rant.

abelard

9

Fantastic episode, well written, timed, acted, everything.

The hostage scene was done brilliantly, Ben thought he was in total control but ended up devastated. I haven't gasped like that at lost since Michael shot Libby. It was so incredibly callous the way it happened - just like that Alex is dead! I felt sorry for the poor background characters who got shot at the start too, they weren't given much of a chance by the main characters to save themselves. Oh well!

I'm a bit confused as of now as to what Daniel, Charlotte and Miles are actually doing on the island. They don't seem to have the same agenda as the mercenaries at all. And from the flashforwards it doesn't look like they get off the island, so I wonder what their deal will be? Or will it just be a nother case of cull-the-new-characters-before-developing-them again at the end of the season? The telegraph between Daniel and the boat is a bit mind-fcuking too, simplest answer I guess is that the freighter crew are telling lies.

Other questions; also wondering what is meant by "changing the rules"?, what did Ben do in his little room?, why was he unconscious in the Sahara desert?, what is ailing Jack?

I wonder what exactly the relationship is between Widmore and Ben; it kind of sounds like they were once friends or associates or something, or like they had a contract or agreement. Widmore claims to own the island but can't find it, but it sounds like Ben was at one stage working on his behalf? Probably wrong, but there's something more to their relationship.

Anyway, like I said, great episode, hope they continue this momentum for the rest of the season

Xyo

8

Did Ben not summon smokey when he went into that room, and that was his idea of changing the rules or whatever?

Sherifu

9

Fantastic episode.

Kept me gripped right through, from the doctor washing up to smokey showing up it was just top notch stuff.

So my own feeling from watching the episode;
The doctor is still alive on the boat could be true as time is relative as Jack was told when he asked how long the chopper guys had been gone. So the island could be slightly out of sync time wise.

Ben teleported or time travelled to Tunisia. He asked the girl at the hotel what date it was and I would guess the polar bear got there the same way.

I am interested in what rules Ben was talking about. And that room he controls smokey from.

I hope we get to see Jacob next week.

10/10

oleras

8

Wow, that was Good !

I can only assume Ben ended up in the desert the same way the polar bear did, after all he was not exactly dressed for the desert ! As to how that happens....time travel ? Why he asked the date, and more importantly, the year at reception ?

Looks like a giant game of "tag" going on between charles and ben as to who rules the island.

Lost at its best imo, 10 questions to every 1 answer.

Neo#

9

Absolutely brilliant episode!

I think Ben controlls everything from that little room. Its a time travel portal. it looks like he can travel anywhere at any time. Its a bit strange how Widmore once owned the island and now he cant find it. Very strange. Its a brilliant episode which sets the rest of the season up!

Sad Professor

9

Wow, fantastic episode. Didn't the see the end coming at all. Looks like next season will focus on the war in the real world for the island.

I think everyone is reading too much into the "rules". Ben considers himself a soldier in a war and as such follows the warrior code not to kill innocents. He says as much to Michael in 4x08. However Widmore has now proven his bad guy credentials by not caring about such things. He'll kill anyone to get what he wants. As a result Ben decides to take the gloves off and play dirty too. But the fact that Ben had such a code to being with is what sets him apart from Widmore. That was my interpretation anyway. However I expect the next time Ben talks to Michael he's going to tell him to blow all those f**kers to hell.

Sort of looks like Penny might be "the economist", doesn't it?

Goodshape

9

Savage. Best episode of Lost in a long, long time.

Creamy Goodness

Hurley is needed because he was the last person to see the cabin, if i'm correct.

eddiehead

9

......*jaw drops*:eek:............Il be more descriptive when i have time;), what a great ep

tvnutz

8

That was the best episode of Lost in a good while. Action packed and some jaw dropping moments.

Poor Alex getting killed,didn't see that coming at all. Ben obviously didn't think they would kill her based on whatever rules he is talking about.

Welcome back to the smoke monster,about time too. We didn't even see it kill most of the boat people but it was still a brilliant scene. And somehow Ben can summon it,but perhaps not control it. Also interesting how he ended up in the desert,like the polar bear...teleportation?time travel?

We also see how Sayid came to work for Ben,after all his backstory with Nadia she is bumped off but the question is why? Why would Widemore want Nadia dead?

And that end scene between Ben and Charles was great,teasing things out as usual but definatly a step forward in perhaps telling us what is going on.

Locke,Ben and Hurley off to see Jacob which should be interesting. I would think the Doc is not dead on the boat yet due to the time delays etc. Also looks like Jack's appendix is about to burst but I don't really care. He is promoted as the main character and I can't stand him.

Great episode 9/10

anotherlostie

9

Wow! I jumped off the sofa several time during that. Alex's death was not unexpected, given Keamey's credentials, but you still expected Ben to turn it around, as he always has done. There has been some death count in the last two eps, and I think we can safely assume Rousseau is toast.

I too am intrigued as to why Widmore would have wanted Nadia dead - kidnapping her to find out from Sayid where the Island was (and that there were others still there, as Matthew Abbadon wanted to know from Hurley) would have seemed more sensible. From where it currently stands.

I think the scientific duo may lose out in the reduction in total episodes. Rebecca Mader in particular gets nothing to do except scowl at everyone. And I don't understand how the doc could not be dead on the boat, but maybe I need a course in quantum physics to grasp it.

So much going on, lots of plot development and setup for future episodes, so looks like we'll have a good wrap up to Season 4.

ghouldaddy07

9

best episode since the constant really cant fault it after an episode like that id say it will be a week or two before jacob comes into play.

Macker1

Have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed the episode.:):):):) No let up from start to finish and really wets the appetite for the remainder of this season. Its just a pity that there are only four episodes left.

L31mr0d

8

well that ending confirms that

widmore is dharma

it was already speculted a few seasons back due to the food drop and a viral website that was set up.

Also the episode also moves along the confirmation that smokey is

Kerberos: The islands security system

it also confirms that smokey can in fact be called in behind the barrier.

I believe the morse code message wasn't a lie. We already know there is a time difference between the island and the rest of the world. Also the fact that the dead doctor could actually float to the island confirms slightly another theory that

what limits you from leaving and entering the island is your consciousness, it also explains why babies can't be born on the island as their consciousness has to exist before they can enter the island which it doesn't

Requiem4adream

8

Cremo wrote: »

Hurley is needed because he was the last person to see the cabin, if i'm correct.

Would Ben not know himself where the cabin is or how to contact Jacob?

anotherlostie wrote: »

Wow! I jumped off the sofa several time during that. Alex's death was not unexpected, given Keamey's credentials, but you still expected Ben to turn it around, as he always has done. There has been some death count in the last two eps, and I think we can safely assume Rousseau is toast.

I too am intrigued as to why Widmore would have wanted Nadia dead - kidnapping her to find out from Sayid where the Island was (and that there were others still there, as Matthew Abbadon wanted to know from Hurley) would have seemed more sensible. From where it currently stands.

I think the scientific duo may lose out in the reduction in total episodes. Rebecca Mader in particular gets nothing to do except scowl at everyone. And I don't understand how the doc could not be dead on the boat, but maybe I need a course in quantum physics to grasp it.

So much going on, lots of plot development and setup for future episodes, so looks like we'll have a good wrap up to Season 4.

It'd be a shame if they got rid of Faraday in particular, his acting has been quality and i had hoped he'd play a bigger role over the coming season(s) (not just saying that because of The Constant either)

Sherifu wrote: »

Fantastic episode.

Kept me gripped right through, from the doctor washing up to smokey showing up it was just top notch stuff.

So my own feeling from watching the episode;
The doctor is still alive on the boat could be true as time is relative as Jack was told when he asked how long the chopper guys had been gone. So the island could be slightly out of sync time wise.

Ben teleported or time travelled to Tunisia. He asked the girl at the hotel what date it was and I would guess the polar bear got there the same way.

I am interested in what rules Ben was talking about. And that room he controls smokey from.

I hope we get to see Jacob next week.

10/10

When Sayid asked how he got there he said he used the boat then chartered a flight but that's obviously a dubious claim. I'm not sure i'm too keen on introducing the idea of teleportation but whatever the explanation, Lost is definitely going more down the road of sci-fi than a regular drama. There's always been the sci-fi element of course but the bulk of the 4 seasons has been character driven drama based on a plane crash on a mysterious island.

My problem with teleportation and even time-travel is that both issues are extremely hard to handle and easy to mess up from a writing perspective. The Constant was magnificent though so maybe i shouldnt be too concerned!

tvnutz

8

On another note I thought it was hilarious how they killed off several of the 815 survivior extras that had went with Locke,basically so they wouldn't be following the main cast around the island.

Unearthly

I thought it was an excellent episode and took me by surprise. Didn't expect so much action.

One thing that annoyed me though, did anyone think the bit with Sawyer going to get Claire was horribly done? Was like watching a cheesy action film from the 80's when the guys with guns suddenly can't hit anything.

Snake Plisken

9

fantastic episode, Alex getting killed was a shock, why the hell didn't saywer take out the shooter when he shot Alex? I can see what is motivating Ben to take out Widmore, although I'm not sure that Widmore had anything to do with Sayid's Missus, as the sly smile on Ben's face as he walked away from Sayid in Iraq, says to me he might have been behind the death to get Sayid working with him. Also the Doc dead is something to do with the time being wrong between the island and the boat, I wonder is that Sayid's handy work? Whats up with Jack he looked really sick and was holding his side?

All in All have to say it was classic lost! Its great that its back!

oleras

8

Quick thought.

If the doc is dead on the island and alive on the boat, would that mean time travels faster on the island and not slower as most people assume, i assume that most people assume the same assumptions as me

L31mr0d

8

Requiem4adream wrote: »

Would Ben not know himself where the cabin is or how to contact Jacob?

the cabin has moved from where ben previously knew it was

Sad Professor

9

Macker1 wrote: »

Its just a pity that there are only four episodes left.

It's really 5 though. The 2nd part of the finale is two hours.

Unearthly wrote:

One thing that annoyed me though, did anyone think the bit with Sawyer going to get Claire was horribly done? Was like watching a cheesy action film from the 80's when the guys with guns suddenly can't hit anything.

I dunno, they didn't have any trouble hitting Alex, Danielle, Red Shirt #1, Red Shirt #2, Red Shirt #3, etc. Maybe the island doesn't want Sawyer to die, lol.

Requiem4adream wrote:

Would Ben not know himself where the cabin is or how to contact Jacob?

He said last season that one had to be summoned to see Jacob. And when Hurley saw the cabin the door opened, almost as if he was being invited in. So perhaps Jacob wants a chat with the big guy.

Plus the cabin moves, so maybe Jacob just forgot to give Ben a forwarding address.

There's always been the sci-fi element of course but the bulk of the 4 seasons has been character driven drama based on a plane crash on a mysterious island.

Agreed but I would argue that it still is. We're just reaching a fairly pivotal point in the story so a lot of stuff is being revealed. However the more character driven episodes tend to get dismissed by the fans as filler so the writers can't win.

L31mr0d wrote:

well that ending confirms that Spoiler: widmore is dharma it was already speculted a few seasons back due to the food drop and a viral website that was set up.

I'm not so sure. Connected to Dharma certainly but I don't believe his claim to ownership of the island. If he was Dharma surely he'd know how to find the island and wouldn't be researching the Black Rock, etc. I believe Hanso/Dharma are long gone, wiped out by Ben and Widmore who are now fighting each other over the scraps.

Sherifu

9

oleras wrote: »

Quick thought.

If the doc is dead on the island and alive on the boat, would that mean time travels faster on the island and not slower as most people assume, i assume that most people assume the same assumptions as me

I think it just means a time shift, time is travelling the same speed but is out of sync.

Also meant to say what L31mr0d posted; widmore is dharma and ben cut him off from the island when he killed all his home boys.

L31mr0d

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Sad Professor wrote: »

I'm not so sure. Connected to Dharma certainly but I don't believe his claim to ownership of the island. If he was Dharma surely he'd know how to find the island and wouldn't be researching the Black Rock, etc. I believe Hanso/Dharma are long gone, wiped out by Ben and Widmore who are now fighting each other over the scraps.

Well when I say Widmore is Dharma I mean he owned Dharma and funded its research. The viral website was basically set up to show Widmore had a company that packaged the food into the Dharma boxes for the island. Plus I don't think finding the island is that easy, I think it has more to do with when the island is not where.

Also, did you notice that Ben was lying in the sand with a winter jacket on and there was no footsteps around him. The people on horse back seemed to notice this also as they where pointing at the ground around him. Also in this episode Ben did some jumping around between Tunisia, Iraq and London. I think they are hinting that Ben has some ability from the island to teleport.

oleras

8

L31mr0d wrote: »

Also, did you notice that Ben was lying in the sand with a winter jacket on and there was no footsteps around him. The people on horse back seemed to notice this also as they where pointing at the ground around him. Also in this episode Ben did some jumping around between Tunisia, Iraq and London. I think they are hinting that Ben has some ability from the island to teleport.

I agree 100% with your observations.

Didnt the makers of lost say since day 1 , everything can be explained ?

cooker3

9

Wow, what an episode. I can't believe it was only 42 minutes long. It felt like a double episode. So much action. More like 24 then lost.
I was as shocked as Ben looked when they shot Alex. As someone said above she was shot so callously.
I loved the final conversation between ben and Charles, it really sets up a big showdown over next 2 seasons. Who would have thought on the season 2 finale when we seen Henry Gale and Pennys dad that it would lead to what is happening now.
It's interesting that Ben said to Charles he will never find the island in 05 despite the freighter finding it. How come he did not find out at that point.
I will probably think of loads of those questions over next few days, so much to take in.

I don't often give 10/10 but this episode gets it

jor el

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Mr.S wrote: »

So its a "race" to see who gets the Island? sets up the other seasons i suppose.

The race is between Ben finding Penny and Widmore finding the island.

Mr.S wrote: »

And what is the point of Myles, Daniel and the girl? i mean, they dont seem to be doing anything at all...? was it just to check out the place first to see if Ben/people where there?

That's confusing me too. They seem to be doing their own thing, particularly Daniel.

L31mr0d wrote: »

it also confirms that smokey can in fact be called in behind the barrier.

The barrier was down, Alex switched it off and I'm guessing they wouldn't have bothered turning it back on once they were through.

L31mr0d wrote: »

I believe the morse code message wasn't a lie. We already know there is a time difference between the island and the rest of the world.

There is no time difference between Island and outside. Time on the island is the same as it is on the outside. I'm guessing that there's some other time travel or teleportation device or ability that has yet to be revealed. Might explain how a polar bear with a Dharma tag ended up in the past, and the desert, and also how Ben seemed to appear in the desert too. Also could help to explain why the doc is dead in the water while still being on the boat.

I actually wasn't that surprised by Alex's execution. It seemed fairly obvious to me that she was a goner as soon as she got captured. I had thought that Ben might call up the smoke when Alex was being held outside. He said he had everything under control and that was the only thing I could think of. Seemed a bit funny that he was expecting some "rules" to keep her safe.

Not too bad an episode, not 10/10 material, maybe 7 or 8 for me. Bit pissed that they still haven't shown anything about Michael on the boat, being given up by Sayid and all.

Basq

8

Wow.. can't really fault this episode... tremendous stuff from start to finish!

Alex's execution was brillantly played - it was the typical Ben response to try and pawn off Alex as a child he stole (and he was convincing) but his expression when Alex was shot said it all.

Not sure what to think of the doctor washing up on the shore.. I don't think the morse code message was lies, but it's that time-shift affecting the timeline. Loved Daniel's face dropping when Bernard had the real message. Faraday is, by far, the best of the new characters - instantly likeable and very fun to watch.

Locke, Ben and Hurley on a trip to the cabin, eh? That should be very exciting to get a better insight and look at Jacob.

Ben confronting Charles was fantastic... and the stakes are really high now. When I was watching that scene, I had the sneaking suspicion that the season will have some big BIG casualties!

Could Jack be the next sufferer from "The Sickness"? Oh, and I think they may have revealed a bit too much of "Smokey" but was impressive nonetheless.

Roll on episode 10.

This season has been a corker.. and the momentum doesn't look like it's gonna ease up anytime soon.

L31mr0d

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jor el wrote: »

There is no time difference between Island and outside.

really? then explain how the package faraday had shot onto the island took so long to arrive, or how Sayid and Desmond left in the helicoptor for the boat and then rang the island when they landed, a few hours later, but over 2 days had passed on the island in this time?

AlmightyCushion

9

I think the doctor died in the future was thrown off the boat then floated towards the island. He eventually hit the wierd time field thingey that surrounds the island (the storm that syaid and desmond hit in the helicopter). This caused him to go back in time a day or so and float on to the island.

Mr.Nice Guy

9

Well time to dish out my first ten of the season!

Absolutely fantastic episode. I thought many of the scenes were top notch. Alex's execution was gripping stuff. Really didn't expect that to happen. I also really enjoyed the final scene with Widmore and Ben. Loved the dialogue between the two.

"You creep into my room at night like a rat."

I'm not as big a fan of Ben as others seem to be but I thought he was excellent in this episode. Many layers to the character.

I like the way things are set up and it seems Desmond will play a big part in future episodes. He'll be forced to protect Penny from Ben.

For what the episode was supposed to deliver I thought it delivered it in spades. It's all shaping up very nicely.

Gingervitis

few random thoughts/crazy theories:
Ben not killing Widmore may be down to Widmore being Ben's Constant, because there isn't anything else that would stop him. He's even going after Penelope, so the notion of rules is out. he said "we both know I can't do that"...
I'm gonna go along with the doctor being alive on the boat/dead on the island, just not sure how...

What I'm really interested about is Ben appearing in the Sahara. Wearing a parka may indicate he didn't know where he was going to end up. The Beduoin guys said there were no tracks around him, it was like he fell out of the sky. Also, there was steam rising off him as well? (not to mention a clicking sound, which may have been the music...)
Crazy/obscure theory goes as follows (doesn't explain anything much though): Ben vomits orange stuff just after he gets up. Now. Before Juliet came to the Island, she was given orange juice with tranquilisers. Fair enough, coincidence? Just before the plane crases in the first episode, both Jack and Kate are seen drinking orange juice...hmmm....
Ok, I know it explains nothing about everyone else on the island, but why was the vomit orange? I would love it if this tied in somehow, even though my head tells me I'm 80% wrong. Ah well, sure that's part of the fun of Lost!
You know we're gonna see some ridiculous climax in the finale with Ben looking dramatic and jumping into a teleporter/time machine/stupid plot contrivance!

oh yeah, that run to the house by Sawyer during the attack looks worse everytime I see it again! The three red shirts reminded me of Hot Shots Part Deux when Charlie Sheen's "killing" everyone!

Sad Professor

9

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I think the doctor died in the future was thrown off the boat then floated towards the island. He eventually hit the wierd time field thingey that surrounds the island (the storm that syaid and desmond hit in the helicopter). This caused him to go back in time a day or so and float on to the island.

+1

That's exactly what I think as well. Time on both sides is moving at the same rate, there's simply an unpredictable fluctuation should you leave/enter on the wrong bearing.

Another interesting thing about Ben's "teleportation" is that the Dharma parka he's wearing has the name Halliwax on it which was the alias Marvin Candle used in the Orchid video. It also has a new Dharma logo assumedly belonging to the Orchid.

I wonder if the reason Ben was wearing the parka may be connected to the listening station in Siberia. Hurley was drawing a picture reminiscent of it in 4x01.

So perhaps the island has several entry portals or gates spread around the globe, kinda of like Vile Vortices. One is in Tunisia, another in Siberia, the South Pacific and other places. Would explain how the Nigerian smugglers plane ended up there and why the island is so hard to find.

Mr.Nice Guy

9

I must say I did find it funny how the three people got shot whilst Sawyer was shouting for everyone to stay inside.

Sawyer: "Stay inside!"

Man #1: "Hey did someone hear gunshots?"

BANG

Sawyer: "Damn it, I said stay inside!"

Girl #1: "Hey I could have sworn I heard a noise."

BANG

Sawyer: "Damn it just stay inside will you?!"

Man #2: "What's that Sawyer? Did you call me?"

BANG

(*May not be actual dialogue)

Requiem4adream

8

Hurley - "we're all gonna die"
Sawyer - "calm down Chicken Little the sky aint falling just yet!"

lol

This next one i wonder if it has a deeper subtext or dual meaning. Wouldnt be surprised.


Hurley - "I cant believe you've just given him Australia. Australia is the key to the whole game"

Sawyer - "Says you"

cooker3

9

Anyone have thoughts on what Ben meant when he said to Charles he couldn't kill him. Why not?

Also, right when it switched to Ben, it looked like he was having epilectic fit for a split second and there was smoke coming from him. I must say, I quite enjoyed Indiana Jones Ben. I loved how he goes to horseman oh so you do speak english before smacking him, seems there is nothing Michael Emerson can't do.

jor el

7

L31mr0d wrote: »

really? then explain how the package faraday had shot onto the island took so long to arrive, or how Sayid and Desmond left in the helicoptor for the boat and then rang the island when they landed, a few hours later, but over 2 days had passed on the island in this time?

As has been clarified many times, there seems to be a time dilation field surrounding the island, but the time on the island and that outside it are in sync. If they weren't, then real-time communication by radio wouldn't be possible. Also, when Des and Sayid got on the boat, the date, Dec 24th 2004, was correct. No difference in island and outside time.

I also think AlmightyCushion's theory is probably right. Doc gets killed in the future and the time dilation field sends him back in time somehow.

abelard

9

Couldn't the boat people just be lying though? They didn't know it was Dan they were talking to.

Besides, no matter how much the time dilation field messes witht hings that pass through it, it can't possibly make a man who is alive on the ship appear dead on the island.

L31mr0d

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jor el wrote: »

As has been clarified many times, there seems to be a time dilation field surrounding the island, but the time on the island and that outside it are in sync. If they weren't, then real-time communication by radio wouldn't be possible. Also, when Des and Sayid got on the boat, the date, Dec 24th 2004, was correct. No difference in island and outside time.

I also think AlmightyCushion's theory is probably right. Doc gets killed in the future and the time dilation field sends him back in time somehow.

yeah you're probably right. But in saying that, couldn't the island then warn the boat that the doctor is going to get killed?

What was wrong with Ben's arm? It looked like he got shot.

If he does control Smokey, does that mean that he had summoned it to kill Ecko? I have to say that I like the idea of Widmore being Ben's Constant. If Widmore dies, Ben surely will too.

The cabin moved, as far as I can remember. Hurley is the only person to know where it is, but what I found strange is it seems like Ben knows where it is. He asked them to follow him. Also, does anyone remember that there were two people in the cabin when Hurley looked in. Jakob in the chair and another pair of eyes peering out.

Doesn't the helicopter pilot escape from the island too? There was a scene with him previously saying how the pilot of the plane they found wasn't that of Oceanic 815. I think it was a flash forward.

Kiith

Deleted User wrote: »

The cabin moved, as far as I can remember. Hurley is the only person to know where it is, but what I found strange is it seems like Ben knows where it is. He asked them to follow him. Also, does anyone remember that there were two people in the cabin when Hurley looked in. Jakob in the chair and another pair of eyes peering out.

It wasnt Ben in the chair, it was Christian, iirc. I think it was Jacob who popped up and frightened Hurley.

jor el

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abelard wrote: »

Couldn't the boat people just be lying though? They didn't know it was Dan they were talking to.

They could be lying, yes. Especially if the person who killed the doc is answering the message. However, remember that we last saw the doc in episode 7, where he introduced Michael to Sayid and Des. I'd reckon this was only a day ago, at most, and I don't believe his body would have come ashore so quickly.

Besides, no matter how much the time dilation field messes witht hings that pass through it, it can't possibly make a man who is alive on the ship appear dead on the island.

Who knows. If the doc dies in the future sometime, then his body is thrown overboard, maybe it somehow gets thrown back in time when it enters the field. We've already seen a Dharma Polar bear in the Tunisian desert, and it had been there for quite a while.

L31mr0d wrote: »

yeah you're probably right. But in saying that, couldn't the island then warn the boat that the doctor is going to get killed?

Probably could, but this being Lost, I'd say the docs time is limited and he'll probably be dead before they make another call. Daniel also said in a previous episode, that you can't change the future. So even if they do warn him, maybe it'll make no difference. Relativity's a bitch.

I'd also guess the Daniel knows more, or has a theory, on what's happened. Whether he'll share that information with anyone or not is another thing. Information sharing being what it is in Lost.

jor el

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Deleted User wrote: »

Doesn't the helicopter pilot escape from the island too? There was a scene with him previously saying how the pilot of the plane they found wasn't that of Oceanic 815. I think it was a flash forward.

That was a flash back, it's the reason that Widmore's people picked him to go on the mission. Remember Naomi had doubts about bringing him in on it?

The cabin moved, as far as I can remember. Hurley is the only person to know where it is, but what I found strange is it seems like Ben knows where it is. He asked them to follow him.

I think the cabin moves, that's why Locke couldn't find it and it's probably why Ben knows he won't be able to find it either. But I think it must stay in some general location (possibly confined within that sand/ash we've seen), which is why he knows what direction to go in.

Hugh_C

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Gingervitis wrote: »

What I'm really interested about is Ben appearing in the Sahara. Wearing a parka may indicate he didn't know where he was going to end up.

Maybe, maybe not, I think it gets extremely cold in the desert at night time, so maybe he knew where he was "going" but just didn't know when or what time he'd arrive. If he arrived during the night in Island clothes he'd freeze! Or maybe the mode of travel involves cold, which would explain the steam.