This happened tonight ... a few kids could easily have been killed ...

Gandalf23

About 6pm this evening I was kicking football with my 7 year old nephew outside my Mum and Dads house. They live in a mature housing estate ... mostly old(ish) folks who have been living there for the last 30 odd years and one or two young families moved in recently. It was a nice evening and there were lots of young kids on bikes, scooters, playing running around the place and pushing dolls in prams etc.

Everyone drives fairly sensibly because they know there are usually lots of kids/grandkids about the place. I just happened to look up and saw a souped up silver hatchback ripping around the corner of the estate at high speed. Some souped up boy racer piece of crap going very fast. It was driven by a local young lad ... about 17/18 ... you know the type with baseball cap and huge silver chain etc, and some young one in the passenger seat with big hoopy earrings and 3 solid inches of make up.

He must have missed at least 5 kids by inches. He slammed on the brakes and stuck the car to the road. One of the guys in the estate ... an army guy, fairly hard and not to be messed with ... ran over (his own son was playing on the road) and dragged the guy literaly through the car window and held him by the throat and told him if he ever saw him around this place again he would kill him. And he meant it. I almost cheered, and would have done the same myself if I was quicker. The guy drove off slowly and then sped out of the estate.

It all happened in a matter of seconds. A few kids could easily have been killed tonight.

I was sorta shaken by the whole incident and wanted to post it here. Not looking for comment or anything ... just wanted to tell the story.

G23

gman2k

Three Cheers for the army guy! I f***ing hate boy racer cretins. They are like young children with a loud rattle, except it's their exhaust pipe.

bazz26

I'm afraid this is a common thing these days, stupid little boys and their toys until someone gets hurt.

I'd buy that army guy a pint though.

Boots09

Fair play to the army guy I say!!

mike65

Here here! A few boy racers beaten senseless would go along way.

Mike.

Gandalf23

Yeah, hes a good guy. I've known him for 30 years or so ... hes a hard bastrad, the kinda guy who you'd want beside you in a fight because he knows how to handle himself. You would NOT mess with him. And he meant that threat to the boy racer.

It'll be interesting to see if he ever speeds around the estate again.

Its absolutely shocking that assholes like this young lad do stuff like this. We need more people to stand up to this, and use the only language these boyracers understand.

-Chris-

As much as they frustrate me, speedbumps are a great solution to this kind of thing.

Speed bumps and hard-ass army guys. +1 on the "ex-army guy is great" comments.

mike65

Hate speed bumps with a passion but everytime something like this happens they are vindicated

Mike.

E92

Well as long as they were under the 50 km/h speed limit it was all ok, sure it's only when you go just 0.1 km/h over the limit that all hell breaks loose:rolleyes:.

+1 to the Army Guy. Some people will just never learn. The retards in the souped up car give us young drivers and those in the modified car community a very bad name though, which is unfortunate for the 99% of people who are reasonable people on the roads.

gman2k

Gandalf23 wrote: »

Yeah, hes a good guy. I've known him for 30 years or so ... hes a hard bastrad, the kinda guy who you'd want beside you in a fight because he knows how to handle himself. You would NOT mess with him. And he meant that threat to the boy racer.

It'll be interesting to see if he ever speeds around the estate again.

Its absolutely shocking that assholes like this young lad do stuff like this. We need more people to stand up to this, and use the only language these boyracers understand.

Well, let's not encourage violence here!
Dunno if it's been listed before, but here's what I do when there are boy racers about;
They are coming at you, usually bootin along with the front fogs on-
If there are no Guards back up the road, flash your lights like mad to pretend there is!!! Great looking back in the rear view mirror to see the brake lights on!! Bonus points if they stop and turn around
If there is Guards back up the road, never flash, cos I love to see them pulled over!

If they are coming up behind you, getting tight on your bumper, backing off and then rocketing up again - just clean your front windscreen, some of the spray will get on the bonnet of their freshly polished **** mobile and piss them off no end. They've spent all morning out there with the chamois...

Of course, if you see someone acting dangerously on the roads these days, just call Traffic Watch on 1890 205805. I find the Guards very interested in getting hold of these **** for brains and cautioning them.
Don't forget, getting into a road rage incident is never ever worth it.

Gandalf23

E92 wrote: »

Some people will just never learn. The retards in the souped up car give us young drivers and those in the modified car community a very bad name though, which is unfortunate for the 99% of people who are reasonable people on the roads.

Agreed. Altho 99% sounds like a very "optomistic" estimate of those who are reasonable on the road ...

I hope that boy racer learned a lesson tonight. However, I doubt it.

Gandalf23

gman2k wrote: »

Well, let's not encourage violence here!

No. Lets encourage it.

It seems to be the only language these boyracers understand. If that pr1ck gets a good kicking and he learns a lesson (and maybe the life of an innocent child is saved next time) then I'm all for violence. Extreme violence.

And the reason I say this is because the threat seemed to work ... the guy knew he was in serious risk of a beating. I could imagine if one of the older folks in the estate had said something to him. He would have spit in their face and him and his tarty young one with the hoopy earrings would have sped off even faster.

Steve

Shock horror - how iresponsible of you - what if your nephews football had gone astray and damaged the - obviously genuine - motor entheusiasts car that he'd obviously spent his hard earned wages for the past ten years on artistic bose window stickers and exhaust amplifiers.
How could you live with yourself....:eek:





+100 karma to army guy.:)

Cmar-Ireland

These knobheads flaunt the law and authority so you have to stoop to their level to knock sense into them.
The army guy (hero) should have put his boot through the car window, then dragged the scrote out for a couple of thumps.

:mad:

Esel

Gandalf23 wrote: »

One of the guys in the estate ... an army guy, fairly hard and not to be messed with ... ran over (his own son was playing on the road) and dragged the guy literaly through the car window and held him by the throat and told him if he ever saw him around this place again he would kill him.

Mairt, chill out ffs!

craichoe

Gandalf23 wrote: »

No. Lets encourage it.

It seems to be the only language these boyracers understand. If that pr1ck gets a good kicking and he learns a lesson (and maybe the life of an innocent child is saved next time) then I'm all for violence. Extreme violence.

And the reason I say this is because the threat seemed to work ... the guy knew he was in serious risk of a beating. I could imagine if one of the older folks in the estate had said something to him. He would have spit in their face and him and his tarty young one with the hoopy earrings would have sped off even faster.

Violence with violence never works, those boy racer pr*cks always hang around in gangs. Fair enough, he's a big army guy, but its where he lives and its easy to terrorise anyone in their own home ! Drawing that kind of crowd on you isn't what you want. You should get into the council to install speed bumps and report the incident.

joolsveer

I have lived in my estate for 17 years (since it was built) and we don't have much of a problem with boy racers. We have some residents who like to drive at 50km+ though and I am surprised that kids are not knocked down.

What is even more surprising is that parents allow their kids to play in the middle of the road and I regularly see adults walk down the roads ignoring the footpaths.

We have a number of large green spaces but kids still prefer to play football on the roads. When I was a child the guards used prosecute us for this.

Rob C

Fair play to the Army guy. Only way you can possible deal with this kind of thing nowadays I'm afraid...

I drive a very fast car but I literally crawl when entering my estate, load of kids playing in it and a football is never far away from the road, you just have to be so careful. Same through towns, you never know when somebody is just going to step out from the kerb without looking.

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joolsveer wrote: »

What is even more surprising is that parents allow their kids to play in the middle of the road

+1

This is what I've been thinking through the thread. I live in a small housing estate, and it's natural that kids will play in the road etc. but I see kids as young as 3/4 out playing on the road. It is straight off a main road and they are playing directly at the entrance, where IMO they are at most risk, as the motorists are just adjusting to the housing estate driving conditions.

It's not unusual for 5 or 6 3 to 4 year olds to be playing directly in the path of incoming traffic with absolutely no supervision.

cpoh1

How many kids die in housing estates every year in ireland as a result of car accidents?

My guess would be a big fat zero...

Seriously if people have a problem with fellas driving too fast through residential areas they need to (a) get speed bumps put in place and/or (b) have a chat with your local TD about getting a reduced speed limit implemented for the area because 50kph is too fast.

That "hard" army fella was pathetic in my opinion. If he tried that on me he would have gotten a fair old shock...literally!

Evil_Clown

cpoh1 wrote: »

Seriously if people have a problem with fellas driving too fast through residential areas they need to (a) get speed bumps put in place and/or (b) have a chat with your local TD about getting a reduced speed limit implemented for the area because 50kph is too fast.

That "hard" army fella was pathetic in my opinion. If he tried that on me he would have gotten a fair old shock...literally!

Yea and if people are sick of shootings in their area they should call the guards
If a boy racer breaks a 50 kp/h speed limit surely they will break a 30 kp/h one ?????????????????
Do you carry a stun gun in your car or is it a cattle prod you legend !!!!!

cabrwab

Well you see the clever army guy, used his own shock tactic of just grabing your man unaware. Fair play to him, but this moment of anger and frustration may cost him a gang of boy racers hanging around.

I hate hate speed bumps but in housing estates like this they are the best tactic. I personally know of one child killed last year in a housing estate playing out on the road. Don't think it made the papers or anything.

Maybe people coming into an estate they don't live in is the problem.

So whos is the pathetic hard man writing something like "of he tried that on me he would of got a fair old shock...literally"

B00MSTICK

cpoh wrote:

That "hard" army fella was pathetic in my opinion. If he tried that on me he would have gotten a fair old shock...literally!

If some scumbag (not saying all people who drive too fast in residential areas are scumbags though) sped threw your estate in a POS, bad taste, shopping list Punto and barely missed your kid would you not do the same? Or at least want to?

You sound "hard" too mate.

Alun

We live in a quiet cul-de-sac like that too, and the residents, on the whole, literally crawl around it because of all the small kids that can appear around the next corner unexpectedly. We had a case a few years ago when a young lad down the road started getting one of his mates calling round for him in his skangermobile (tinted windows so dark he probably couldn't see a damn thing), speeding along the road oblivious to the kids playing on the street. It went on for a week or so, and then one summer's evening he came rocketing down the street as usual to find a Garda car parked in his next door neighbour's drive. Unbeknown to him, but known to the rest of the street, was that a close relative of theirs was a Garda. That immediately put a stop to that one!

However, of late, we've been having a problem with another new resident, not a boy-racer this time, but a taxi driver. A quick anonymous call to his (prominently displayed) employer soon put a stop to that one too

Moral to the story? Don't meet this kind of muppetry with violence, there are far more satisfying, legal and most important, effective ways of dealing with it.

arybvtcw0eolkf

esel wrote: »

Mairt, chill out ffs!

Wasn't me, but fair dues to the soldier.

Gandalf23

cpoh1 wrote: »

Seriously if people have a problem with fellas driving too fast through residential areas they need to (a) get speed bumps put in place and/or (b) have a chat with your local TD about getting a reduced speed limit implemented for the area because 50kph is too fast.

This was a fairly isolated incident. Its a very mature quiet estate. However, speed bumps are on the way, and the local TD is on our side.

cpoh1 wrote: »

That "hard" army fella was pathetic in my opinion. If he tried that on me he would have gotten a fair old shock...literally!

Be honest here ... are you a boy racer with a baseball cap, souped up POS, and a hoopy earringed girlfriend? If so, you are welcome to come over to the estate anytime ... we'd love to meet you and tell you our opinions on speeding in residential areas in a responsible (but firm) way.

arybvtcw0eolkf

cpoh1 wrote: »

How many kids die in housing estates every year in ireland as a result of car accidents?

My guess would be a big fat zero...

Seriously if people have a problem with fellas driving too fast through residential areas they need to (a) get speed bumps put in place and/or (b) have a chat with your local TD about getting a reduced speed limit implemented for the area because 50kph is too fast.

That "hard" army fella was pathetic in my opinion. If he tried that on me he would have gotten a fair old shock...literally!

My son was knocked down in our estate, luckly enough he escaped with a broken leg.

I also remember when I was working on the door of a bar in town (Dublin) and a ladies handbag was stolen. No biggie, happens all the time. But she was inconsolable - she sister explained the situation to me.

It was the girls first time out since her son had been knocked down and killed in her estate in Tallaght (my guess is this was about 7 or 8 years ago). Her son was only 3 yrs old, killed by a boy racer.

But before going out that night she insisted on taking his photos with her, including a lock of his hair as she wouldn't be parted from him. She lost it all - to a scumbag boy racer and handbag thief.

cpoh1 wrote: »

That "hard" army fella was pathetic in my opinion. If he tried that on me he would have gotten a fair old shock...literally!

If your saying you drive like the examples given in this thread you might just be in for a shock yourself kid.

Gandalf23

Alun wrote: »

We live in a quiet cul-de-sac like that too, and the residents, on the whole, literally crawl around it because of all the small kids that can appear around the next corner unexpectedly. We had a case a few years ago when a young lad down the road started getting one of his mates calling round for him in his skangermobile (tinted windows so dark he probably couldn't see a damn thing), speeding along the road oblivious to the kids playing on the street. It went on for a week or so, and then one summer's evening he came rocketing down the street as usual to find a Garda car parked in his next door neighbour's drive. Unbeknown to him, but known to the rest of the street, was that a close relative of theirs was a Garda. That immediately put a stop to that one!

However, of late, we've been having a problem with another new resident, not a boy-racer this time, but a taxi driver. A quick anonymous call to his (prominently displayed) employer soon put a stop to that one too

Moral to the story? Don't meet this kind of muppetry with violence, there are far more satisfying, legal and most important, effective ways of dealing with it.

Yeah, to be honest I agree with you. We're working the head as well as threatening our fists on this one.

It was just one of those "I wanted to cheer" moments when he grabbed the little wank3r. And it'll be interesting to see if he ever comes speeding back again.

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Mairt wrote: »

to a scumbag boy racer and handbag thief.

Hold on a second now, are you referring to the chap that killed the little boy when you say boy racer, or are you saying that the guy who robbed the handbag was a scumbag boy racer?

michelleans

Saw some kids run out in front of a car in the estate here yesterday... Guy was going slowly and braked and stopped dead straight away. The kids barely noticed and it took them a good minute or two to actually get out of his way! If that had been one of the MANY boy racers around here those two kids would have been killed.

I don't know which is worse - the boy racers that speed through the estates or the parents that let their 3 year old kids play on the road.

arybvtcw0eolkf

elviscostello wrote: »

Hold on a second now, are you referring to the chap that killed the little boy when you say boy racer, or are you saying that the guy who robbed the handbag was a scumbag boy racer?

Your confusing me

Both are scumbags. One murdered the ladies child, one stole her memories of the child.


That chap 'cpoh1' posted "How many kids die in housing estates every year in ireland as a result of car accidents?

My guess would be a big fat zero..."

There are many, many accounts of children being killed in this way year in year out.

And I say it again 'fair dues to the soldier who came out and gave this little wanker the fright of his life'.

_feedback_

Mairt wrote: »

Your confusing me

Both are scumbags. One murdered the ladies child, one stole her memories of the child.

The first time I read it, I thought you were saying that the guy who stole her bag was a boy racer too, but i picked it up wrong I think!!

Move along now, nothing to see here ... :rolleyes:

Rowley Birkin QC

+1 for the guy standing up to this idiot in his souped up shopping trolley.

Too many people these days are "afraid" to get involved in a situation even though it is plainly wrong.

I was walking home from coppers one night and two lads laid a girl out on the ground outside the Central Bank, maybe 8 onlookers stood by and did nothing. I ran up and knocked the guys to the ground and in fairness then the others got involved but not until I made the first move.

Couldn't believe it, everyone has mothers, sisters, grannies and they were willing to see this girl being assaulted in plain view. Delighted to see the toerags carted away in a paddywagon.

skyhighflyer

Fair play to the army guy, nice to see some community justice. Far more effective for anti-social behaviour, and better for all concerned.

Think about it - boy racer gets the fright of his life and certainly won't speed there again. He also doesn't lose his licence for dangerous driving as he probably would have done had a Guard witnessed the incident. Hopfully he'll cop the **** on in the future - I'll admit that I drove like an idiot on occasion when I as 17 and a shock like that was probably what was required.

One question though: My parents live in a similar estate - mature, no speed bumps, fairly quiet, but with a fair few young families. More often than not I see these same 'mature' individuals travelling at 50km/h+ on roads parallel to the green where kids play soccer, along which there is often a line of cars parked, making it even more dangerous should a child run out from behind one to retrieve a ball.

I've found that young drivers are often more careful in these circumstances; another thing is that boy racer cars with loud exhausts are often percieved as going faster than they are; whereas an exec could whoosh by at the same speed in his 5 series and simply not be as ostentatious, but it's still going to injure a child just as musch either way.

AntiVirus

Gandalf23 wrote: »

an army guy, fairly hard and not to be messed with ... ran over

Not hard enough to punch him! :pac:

Beta Ray Bill

theres a very simeple answer to boy racers that should be implemented...

take their cars off them for good. IE never give them back.

It would stop then one way or the other. them little sh*ts are the reason Im paying €2118.87 for insurance! and I never speed... ever!

and while were on the topic... there seems to be alot more little girl racers than boy racers about these days... prob because they can get cheaper insurance. in my area the ratio is about 5:2 in favour of little girl racers. And they are even worse.

Last year one knocked me down in her yellow MG and didnt even stop... I was ok. only a klip but it stil really hurt. little b*tch was doing laps of Raheny...

I called the garda twice with teh reg plate... no action.

Shocking.

cpoh1

Some of the generalisations on here crack me up!

Just a couple of my opinions on this matter before I leave this stupid debate:

There have been no children killed in Irish housing estates this year due to car collisions.

The 50kph speed limit is too high for a residential area and needs to be reduced.

Speed bumps should be in place in all residential areas to reduce EVERYONES speed

Nobody should ever lay a hand on somebody else EVER unless in self defence. I carry a stun gun in my car for such occasions and would gladly have used it on said hard man gi joe (i had a cutoff bat before that).

A lot of people might think that the actions of the army guy were noble/tough/correct. I just thought it was the actions of someone without the IQ to take a step back and report the car through official channels rather than lowering themselves to the level of a thug, no better or worse.

arybvtcw0eolkf

grahambo wrote: »

theres a very simeple answer to boy racers that should be implemented...

take their cars off them for good. IE never give them back.

It would stop then one way or the other. them little sh*ts are the reason Im paying €2118.87 for insurance! and I never speed... ever!

and while were on the topic... there seems to be alot more little girl racers than boy racers about these days... prob because they can get cheaper insurance. in my area the ratio is about 5:2 in favour of little girl racers. And they are even worse.

Last year one knocked me down in her yellow MG and didnt even stop... I was ok. only a klip but it stil really hurt. little b*tch was doing laps of Raheny...

I called the garda twice with teh reg plate... no action.

Shocking.

Maybe their not girl racers, but sissy looking boy-racers

I don't live too far from you, and we're scrourged here with the little fvckers too.

As for garda action, forget about it.

arybvtcw0eolkf

cpoh1 wrote: »

. I carry a stun gun in my car for such occasions and would gladly have used it on said hard man gi joe (i had a cutoff bat before that).

.

Ah now your just talking sh*t.

:rolleyes:

Beta Ray Bill

Isnt it disgraceful though?

I mean its shocking like!

I rang the garda and told them she was doing laps of raheny the backup through harmonstown (she had done 3 at this stage, and went on to do another 4 or 5 on top of that)
I told them the reg and the type of car and this thing really stood out... canary yellow.

and they did nothing. i seen her then a few hours later driving down toward donaghmede.. still booting it.

why wont they do anything?

cpoh1

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JimmyCrackCorn!

Agreed calmd down and deleted post.

Could you remove the quote as its unhelpful and iv gone to make Tea

Gandalf23

cpoh1 wrote: »

There have been no children killed in Irish housing estates this year due to car collisions.

How do you know this? Can you provide backup to that claim n the form of a link etc???

cpoh1 wrote: »

Nobody should ever lay a hand on somebody else EVER unless in self defence. I carry a stun gun in my car for such occasions and would gladly have used it on said hard man gi joe (i had a cutoff bat before that). A lot of people might think that the actions of the army guy were noble/tough/correct. I just thought it was the actions of someone without the IQ to take a step back and report the car through official channels rather than lowering themselves to the level of a thug, no better or worse.

I think the actions of boy/girl racers are the actions of people with no IQ.

I admire what the army guy did. Reporting to the "official channels" was also done, but the guy got the fright of his life and some instant justice, and it was worth it if it makes him think twice about speeding near kids again.

Also interesting how you oppose the "violence" of the army guy and yet carry a stun gun. Are you sure your not a little girl racer with girly make up and hoopy earrings? Maybe you like the thoughts of a big though army man roughing you up

gman2k

cpoh1 wrote: »

Some of the generalisations on here crack me up!

Just a couple of my opinions on this matter before I leave this stupid debate:

There have been no children killed in Irish housing estates this year due to car collisions.

The 50kph speed limit is too high for a residential area and needs to be reduced.

Speed bumps should be in place in all residential areas to reduce EVERYONES speed

Nobody should ever lay a hand on somebody else EVER unless in self defence. I carry a stun gun in my car for such occasions and would gladly have used it on said hard man gi joe (i had a cutoff bat before that).

A lot of people might think that the actions of the army guy were noble/tough/correct. I just thought it was the actions of someone without the IQ to take a step back and report the car through official channels rather than lowering themselves to the level of a thug, no better or worse.

I was of the understanding that stun guns are illegal in Ireland, and the law will throw the book at you if you are found with one. Wasn't there a lad recently found with one hidden in his steering column? I think he got jailtime?

craichoe

gman2k wrote: »

I was of the understanding that stun guns are illegal in Ireland, and the law will throw the book at you if you are found with one. Wasn't there a lad recently found with one hidden in his steering column? I think he got jailtime?

ANYTHING you have on your person or in your car that could be used as a weapon is illegal. Unless you have a valid purpose for it.

Hurley, Baseball bat, knife ... or indeed a stun gun, it will get you up in court.

gman2k

craichoe wrote: »

ANYTHING you have on your person or in your car that could be used as a weapon is illegal. Unless you have a valid purpose for it.

Hurley, Baseball bat, knife ... or indeed a stun gun, it will get you up in court.

Lots of things can be used as a weapon, and having them on your person without due cause is an offence, but are stun guns prohibited in totality in Ireland?

craichoe

gman2k wrote: »

Lots of things can be used as a weapon, and having them on your person without due cause is an offence, but are stun guns prohibited in totality in Ireland?

Of course, but not under the firearms offences act, they have no other purpose but to inflict bodily harm.

cancan

While the guy was in the wrong, people with kids should realise that letting their little angels play on a road with traffic is probably not the best place for them to be honest. (Estate or no Estate)
Hence they invented parks for people, and roads for cars...

Many a kid has ran out onto a road and it didn't take a speeding driver to knock them down...
There is responsibility on both sides here...

Victor_M

cpoh1 wrote: »

Some of the generalisations on here crack me up!

Just a couple of my opinions on this matter before I leave this stupid debate:

There have been no children killed in Irish housing estates this year due to car collisions.

The 50kph speed limit is too high for a residential area and needs to be reduced.

Speed bumps should be in place in all residential areas to reduce EVERYONES speed

Nobody should ever lay a hand on somebody else EVER unless in self defence. I carry a stun gun in my car for such occasions and would gladly have used it on said hard man gi joe (i had a cutoff bat before that).

A lot of people might think that the actions of the army guy were noble/tough/correct. I just thought it was the actions of someone without the IQ to take a step back and report the car through official channels rather than lowering themselves to the level of a thug, no better or worse.

Well done army guy

@COPH1 The fact that you need feel the need to carry a Stun Gun/baseball bat/ some sort of weapon to make yourself feel hard says a lot about you in the first place, obviously us boardsies aren't the only people who think you are a muppet if you need to carry protection with you in the car there must be people who know you that don't like you too!

Army guy acted perfectly IMHO, took him out of the car, sufficiently scared him without actually harming him.

craichoe

Victor_M wrote: »

Army guy acted perfectly IMHO, took him out of the car, sufficiently scared him without actually harming him.

I am of the firm belief that you should never physically grab, push or pull someone in any instance. Wayne O’Donoghue, that guy that was done for manslaughter was only trying to scare that kid too and look how it turned out.

So much can happen when tempers are high.

arybvtcw0eolkf

craichoe wrote: »

I am of the firm belief that you should never physically grab, push or pull someone in any instance. Wayne O’Donoghue, that guy that was done for manslaughter was only trying to scare that kid too and look how it turned out.

So much can happen when tempers are high.

Yeaaaaaa right, thats all WoD was up to, indeed!.