Cyclist killed in Cabra

Snapper1

RIP. Stay safe out there

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0423/rta.html


Cyclist dead in Cabra collision
Wednesday, 23 April 2008 13:27

A woman has been killed in a road accident in Cabra in Dublin.

She was a cyclist and died following a collision on the Nephin Road at about midday.

The road is closed from the N3/Navan Road to the Boogeys Road. Delays should be expected.

tunney

Thoughts with her family of course.

But I don't think we need this sort of thread on here.

Ghost Rider

Why on earth not?

tunney wrote: »

But I don't think we need this sort of thread on here.

unionman

Sad news indeed.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0423/breaking20.htm

Entirely appropriate to post on this issue here, marking both respect and solidarity.

bunnygreen

hear hear

niceonetom

very sad.

Ghost Rider wrote: »

Why on earth not?

maybe because there would be quite a few of them, and it would be too depressing.

Bicyclegadabout

unionman wrote: »

Sad news indeed.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0423/breaking20.htm

Entirely appropriate to post on this issue here, marking both respect and solidarity.

seconded.

Sad indeed.

daymobrew

I cycle Nephin Road twice a day but I don't know where the Boogeys Road is, possibly the part I don't use.
BTW, Cabra Garda station is on the north east corner of Nephin road and Navan Road.

Ghost Rider

Well said. Nothing to be gained by sweeping these things under the carpet.

unionman wrote: »

Sad news indeed.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0423/breaking20.htm

Entirely appropriate to post on this issue here, marking both respect and solidarity.

Money Shot

daymobrew wrote: »

I cycle Nephin Road twice a day but I don't know where the Boogeys Road is, possibly the part I don't use.
BTW, Cabra Garda station is on the north east corner of Nephin road and Navan Road.

There is a park in Cabra near the Nephin road known locally as the Boogeys ... not sure why, but I assume that's what it means. If you know Cabra, the park is between the humpback bridge and the roundabout.

daymobrew

Money Shot wrote: »

There is a park in Cabra near the Nephin road known locally as the Boogeys ... not sure why, but I assume that's what it means. If you know Cabra, the park is between the humpback bridge and the roundabout.

The bridge at Broombridge train station? Or on Ratoath Road?
I know the park opposite St Declan's School but I don't know any others off Nephin Road.
I'm sure I'll see some flowers when I pass by tomorrow morning.

unionman wrote:

Entirely appropriate to post on this issue here, marking both respect and solidarity.

I wish there was a way to know what happened so that we could all learn from it.

preilly79

long time lurker, first time posting.

i've just passed the scene in the last 20 minutes and it's a shocking sight. it looks like the driver of the truck was taking a left at the garda station but didn't notice the cyclist on his left. the bike was bent beyond belief ... I don't want to imagine what happened to the cyclist.

my condolences to the family.

as an occasional cyclist, and the husband of a girl who cycles to work I confirmed the reason I worry every time my wife takes to the road.

stay safe people!

studiorat

I saw a woman being hit by a Taxi beside Harcourt street this morning too.
Thankfully she was ok.

Sympathies to her family and friends.

VickBack

I didn't even know it had happened until I got a text just now about it, and it happens to be the mother of one of my friends.

I am so sorry for him and the rest of his family.

studiorat

Sad story. My sympathy to her family.

studiorat wrote: »

I saw a woman being hit by a Taxi beside Harcourt street this morning too.
Thankfully she was ok.

Sympathies to her family and friends.

Hit how - by an opening door or was the taxi turning into her?

Traumadoc

Another female cyclist killed by a truck turning left, the coroner has several times asked for blindspot mirrors to be mandated for HGVs. I read recently in london there was real concern for the number of female cyclists being killed by left turning vehicles. Men tend to jump the lights and areas a result more visable to trucks.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1695668.ece

daymobrew

preilly79 wrote: »

i've just passed the scene in the last 20 minutes and it's a shocking sight. it looks like the driver of the truck was taking a left at the garda station but didn't notice the cyclist on his left. the bike was bent beyond belief ... I don't want to imagine what happened to the cyclist.

my condolences to the family.

as an occasional cyclist, and the husband of a girl who cycles to work I confirmed the reason I worry every time my wife takes to the road.

My condolences too.
This scenario is covered in the new Rules of the Road, page 158. I wish that the woman was aware of the advice.
Self education is very, very important for us all. Yesterday an experienced cyclist here recommended the CycleCraft book. There is a copy in Blanchardstown library.

ROTR Cycle Safety wrote:

Do not take up a position on the "inside" of a large vehicle out of view of the driver. Instead, stay behind if the large vehicle has stopped at a junction with the intention of turning left.

These types of incidents always sadden me. I'm really stuck for words.

Boggins127

Very very sad news blindspots should be manditory........Unbelivable what i've heard about this accident:( my father works with this womans husband I am lost for words

Ryder

Very sad news. I'm sure all of our thoughts are with her family.

Someone made the point that it was a shame that she had'nt read the hihjway code. It is. Getting squeezed by left turning vehicles, hit by cycling too close to cars is a real danger and one that may not be appreciated by the occasional cyclist.

I think a fitting response to this tragedy, and the one last month in Clontarf would be to have a seperate sticky thread with a distillation of road advice. Obviously would be interactive and I think that even those of us who cycle everywhere would benefit

DirkVoodoo

Was out cycling yesterday and my friend nearly got taken out by someone trying to undertake via the cycle lane. People really need to be aware of cyclists and stop taking stupid risks.

Condolences to the family.

oobydooby

Very sad news. Our thoughts are with the lady and all her friends and family. Ar dheis Dé go raibh sí.

kona

i really think somthing should be done about making cyclists aware of stuff like this, maybe shops giving out booklets with each bike sold , somthing like this.
its madness people cycling dublins streets with no experience,ill equiped, granted HGVs have a sign saying dont pass on the left:o
(not saying this is the story with this poor woman.)
terrible what happened all the same.

estebancambias

I have no idea of the actual details of what happens, but I do know that people should try cycle on *paths* as much as possible, and there needs to be a massive effort into making dublin bike friendly.


I'm a casual cyclist, as in I have no care for it, but I enjoy getting out for long cycles and after all its my form of transport...this is purely my decision, I don't feel safe on roads.

kona

estebancambias wrote: »

I have no idea of the actual details of what happens, but I do know that people should try cycle on paths as much as possible, and there needs to be a massive effort into making dublin bike friendly.

no way is cycling on paths better, the only thing less unpredictable that traffic is pedestrians:eek:

but yes the government seriously needs to cop on!

estebancambias

Do you seriously not get intimidated when a roaring lorry is speeding behind you?

kona

estebancambias wrote: »

Do you seriously not get intimidated when a roaring lorry is speeding behind you?

nope, because i know its there and i know how to deal with it... i.e i dont cycle too close to the kerb, i always have room to move if i need it.

tbh if you cant handle traffic , you shouldnt be cycling until you get confidence in your control and ability.

sure if a roaring lorry hits you in a car your screwed.
you crash in a car at 60kmph..your screwed, yet even my granny does this:D

cycling on paths is 100% illegal, and it gives cyclists a bad name, IMO pedestrians with their total oblivion to the enviroment around them are 1000000000000000 times more likely to cause you a spill than a car.you try cycle down grafton street at 3pm saturaday and try to predict what people will do , whilst maintaing a steady speed and not stopping once, if you can do this you can deal with ANYTHING imo.

the more you cycle the more you get used to stuff, and know what and what not to do, and have the confidence to take control of traffic and situations.
experienced couriers are a good example of this.

Gavin

estebancambias wrote: »

Do you seriously not get intimidated when a roaring lorry is speeding behind you?

Cycling on the path is illegal and dangerous. But that's irrelevant to the thread.

Sincere sympathies to the family, it's very hard to imagine how one would feel hearing that someone from their family died just cycling on their way home/ to work.

Gav

Stark

estebancambias wrote: »

I have no idea of the actual details of what happens, but I do know that people should try cycle on *paths* as much as possible

And then get creamed by people pulling out of driveways. The road is far safer in most instances.

estebancambias wrote: »

Do you seriously not get intimidated when a roaring lorry is speeding behind you?

While it might feel intimidating, you're generally least at risk from traffic coming up behind you as they can clearly see you. You're most at risk from traffic that's alongside you or traffic at junctions as they may not often see you.

Anyway, condolences to the woman and her family. Such a tragic loss of life. I know that road well also, makes me think of all the times I raced down it. Sad to think that all it took was sitting at a traffic light to end it all.

estebancambias

Ok I don't want to sidetrack but I cycle on a path(up hill) every day and not once have I ever been stopped, in fact I never even knew it was illegal.

Call Me Jimmy

And here's me trying to get into cycling Does that rule, "keep some distance between you and the kerb" apply to cycling on all roads or just very busy city centre areas? I would assume that on a normal road with very few turn offs that ye wud stick as close to the kerb as possible to allow people to pass ye easily?

Stark

That would apply on all roads I presume. Like the previous poster said, if you're too close to the kerb, then you've no room for error. There's no harm in making a driver think about having to overtake you. In fact, if the road is too narrow for cars to overtake you safely, then it's often best to cycle in the middle of the lane so that noone tries to force their way past you.

Sean02

Another shocking accident involving a cyclist. My condolences to her family. lets not pre judge the cause at this time, for both people it was a terrible tradegy.

michaelm

How about we ask the Irish Haulage Association to distribute a simple sticker (for the dashboards of trucks) warning drivers to watch out for cyclists when turning left. It would at least be a start.

Caroline_ie

Very Sad. Most people I work with tell me they'd never cycle in Dublin. Maybe they're right. With no adequate cycling facilities, L drivers and SUVs, plus of course scumbags throwing things at you from their cars.

My thoughts go to the family of the victims, of all cycling victims of the roads.

Money Shot

daymobrew wrote: »

The bridge at Broombridge train station? Or on Ratoath Road?
I know the park opposite St Declan's School but I don't know any others off Nephin Road.
I'm sure I'll see some flowers when I pass by tomorrow morning. I wish there was a way to know what happened so that we could all learn from it.

The park along the Ratoath road, not sure what the school is called. It's after broombridge along the ratoath road, before you come to the Nephin Road / Fausaugh road roundabout. There are houses opposite. That park is known as the Boogeys for some reason - I assume either that part of the nephin road or the ratoath road is known locally as the boogeys road ! I've never heard anyone mention a road, but everyone I know in Finglas calls that park the boogeys.

Bicyclegadabout

estebancambias wrote: »

I have no idea of the actual details of what happens, but I do know that people should try cycle on *paths* as much as possible, and there needs to be a massive effort into making dublin bike friendly.

This is indicative of people's lack of knowledge. It saddens me.
It's dangerous out there, you need to know what to do and how do it.


I'll stop now.

bobtjustice

Very sad....how many more people have to die before the government, motorists and cyclists alike start taking safety seriously.:(

proteus

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

And here's me trying to get into cycling Does that rule, "keep some distance between you and the kerb" apply to cycling on all roads or just very busy city centre areas? I would assume that on a normal road with very few turn offs that ye wud stick as close to the kerb as possible to allow people to pass ye easily?

Many Car/Cyclist accidents occur due to this behaviour where cyclists are moving through traffic in a manner different than cars. There is a type of cycling called "vehicular cycling" that analyses this behaviour and has some good recommendations for safer cycling. It generally shows that in traffic light situations it is safer for the cyclist to act like a car and assume a position in the middle of the lane. Motorists who are negotiating a left turn are used to dealing with vehicles that are directly in front of them, its an automatic response while driving while looking into a side mirror to check for a cyclist while turning left is not and in my opinion, will never be practised by the vast majority of motorists.

Link:http://www.bicyclinglife.com/PracticalCycling/VCIntro.htm

dav nagle

Money Shot wrote: »

There is a park in Cabra near the Nephin road known locally as the Bogeys ... not sure why, but I assume that's what it means. If you know Cabra, the park is between the humpback bridge and the roundabout.

My sincere condolences to that poor lady who died so tragically.
The park known as the 'the bogeys' is a place where the children from St.Declans school opposite the park hang out during lunch and after school. All the school kids were not allowed to walk on the Navan Rd after the incident. They were detoured around the back of the bogeys. There is a lovely community centre in the bogeys (5 aside and gym). The bike was was completely destroyed in the unfortunate incident. My taught also go out to the lorry driver who hopefully will not blame himself for this tragedy.

Caroline_ie

independent.ie have a photo of the bike...

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cyclist-killed-as-road-death-toll-rises-to-92-1356869.html

Ruadhrimac1

Money Shot wrote: »

The park along the Ratoath road, not sure what the school is called. It's after broombridge along the ratoath road, before you come to the Nephin Road / Fausaugh road roundabout. There are houses opposite. That park is known as the Boogeys for some reason - I assume either that part of the nephin road or the ratoath road is known locally as the boogeys road ! I've never heard anyone mention a road, but everyone I know in Finglas calls that park the boogeys.

I'm a local type and the history is that once upon a long ago there was a factory based in this park, the formal name is Pope John Paul Park, that used to make low loading trolleys or "bogies" for local firms such as Batchelors. This then became known as the informal name for the area and now the park. There is no Bogey's Road, that's just poor journalism, but having attended St. Declan's I unfortunately had a few run ins at "four o'clock in the Bogeys".

Also, as a cyclist myself, may whoever's up there look after that poor woman's soul.
The government have blood on their hands as they've known about this problem for some time and appear to have done nothing about it.
For shame.

Money Shot

Ruadhrimac1 wrote: »

I'm a local type and the history is that once upon a long ago there was a factory based in this park, the formal name is Pope John Paul Park, that used to make low loading trolleys or "bogies" for local firms such as Batchelors. This then became known as the informal name for the area and now the park. There is no Bogey's Road, that's just poor journalism, but having attended St. Declan's I unfortunately had a few run ins at "four o'clock in the Bogeys".

Thanks for that - always wondered why it was called the Bogies as it was such a strange name. To be honest, I had assumed it was something to do with some historic ghost or murder story and kids would think that's where the bogey man lived.


P.S The goverment (the brilliant bertie) never, ever do anything about anything until they absolutely have to. I pray Cowen is different.

kona

i always tought it was a football thing, when we play there we call it the bogeys, i presumed it was because it was always against bogey teams who are more intrested in a brawl then a match

but this is miles off topic.

daymobrew

Ruadhrimac1 wrote: »

The government have blood on their hands as they've known about this problem for some time and appear to have done nothing about it.

I was reviewing my TrafficWatch reports. Of the 125 calls I've made since September 2006, the Gardai have only contacted me for 46 of them (that's only 36%).
If I had loads of free time then I'd break the inaction by station.

Topical: One of my first reports:

When: Tuesday 26 September 2006 at 8:33am
Where: Eastbound Navan Road at Nephin Road junction
Car details: HIDDEN
Incident: Driver broke red lights during pedestrian sequence as he turned left from Navan Road onto Nephin Road towards Cabra.
TW report: Tuesday 26 Sept 2006, 23:06
Garda followup: NONE

Ghost Rider

That's one for the newspapers, I'd say, Damo.

daymobrew wrote: »

I was reviewing my TrafficWatch reports. Of the 125 calls I've made since September 2006, the Gardai have only contacted me for 46 of them (that's only 36%).
If I had loads of free time then I'd break the inaction by station.

Topical: One of my first reports:

daymobrew

Ghost Rider wrote: »

That's one for the newspapers, I'd say, Daymo.

I do plan to collect all the ones relating to Blanchardstown (the worst station for followup) and go to the Super or Sargent there to ask him to explain why.
Maybe the local free paper, Community Voice, will accept an article from me on the issue. Maybe I could write one on cycling safety, using the advice from this thread.

Ghost Rider

Callous as it may sound, this particular incident may well be "newsworthy" enough for you to get your point about that particular junction into the national papers - at the very least on the letters page - and from there make your broader argument about the dangers facing cyclists (coupled with the relative lack of attention given to them by the authorities).

daymobrew wrote: »

I do plan to collect all the ones relating to Blanchardstown (the worst station for followup) and go to the Super or Sargent there to ask him to explain why.
Maybe the local free paper, Community Voice, will accept an article from me on the issue. Maybe I could write one on cycling safety, using the advice from this thread.

TouchingVirus

Friend of a friend told me how this woman died, a complete horror story altogether.

RIP

Traumadoc

We had to declare a cyclist dead a few years ago, similar story, large truck turning left. It was really upsetting.

BostonB

The problem with the reporting of these accidents (of any kind) is that you never know what actually happened and thus are unable to learn from them and avoid a similar situation. Is it a case that the cyclist went up the inside of the truck, or the truck overtook the cyclist etc. The only lesson I 'm getting is stay as far away from trucks as you can, and at lights take up a whole lane so no one can pull around you.

Traumadoc

The case I was involved with the cyclist had stopped close to the curb. He was in a left turn only lane . A truck overtook him in the lane and then got the signal to turn left. Somehow the cyclist was crushed..

It seems to me that most cyclists are killed by HGVs in Urban areas, the sooner that 4 axel trucks are banned the better.