Is it wrong to use drugs.

ScumLord

Alcohol included.

Is it wrong to enjoy drugs, is it wrong to like getting drunk, stoned, trip?

Some people like one or two drinks but would stop short of getting drunk. Which I think is ludicrous if your taking a drug the main reason is to experience the altered state IMO.

I look at drug use as an experience, it's not wrong to enjoy that experience.

Alanstrainor

yes.

Holsten

Of course not, it's feckin brilliant.

Sherifu

It's wrong to use illegal drugs.

Rb

I don't drink much these days, rarely ever get drunk. Much, much prefer to get stoned and would take weed over alcohol any day of the week.

Canis Lupus

Is it wrong to have an "is it wrong to take drugs" thread in AH.

Someone bound to post an "Is it wrong to smoke weed" thread shortly then it'll loop back tooooo.... knackers possibly then back onto eastern europeans and repeat.

GhostInTheRuins

Medicinal drugs? - No

Alcohol? - No

Illegal drugs? - No

Rb

I hope those voting yes don't touch alcohol.

Or smoke cigarettes.

Red Hand

ScumLord wrote: »

Some people like one or two drinks but would stop short of getting drunk. Which I think is ludicrous if your taking a drug the main reason is to experience the altered state IMO.

Well, that's usually just a social thing. I only drink if in company. Like, why would I want to become drunk? It's never done anything for me-like, I retreat into a shell, and slow down mentally when drunk...Hardly an altered state.

funk-you

Sherifu wrote: »

It's wrong to use illegal drugs.

Why?

-Funk

Rb

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

Well, that's usually just a social thing. I only drink if in company. Like, why would I want to become drunk? It's never done anything for me-like, I retreat into a shell, and slow down mentally when drunk...Hardly an altered state.

You're one of few there, most people in this country seem to drink purely to get drunk.

And a lot of them shouldn't be doing it as being drunk doesn't suit them.

Dudess

No, it's not wrong to use drugs. People can make their own choices and their own choices are their own business thank you very much.
It's wrong to use drugs if their effect causes suffering for others (e.g. if alcohol makes you violent) or if you're really over-doing it and becoming unwell and your loved ones are starting to worry about you and you won't get help.
But if your intake is moderate and you can handle it, then it's nobody else's business.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

imo it's wrong *not* to use drugs

acid should be mandatory

GhostInTheRuins

Mordeth for taoiseach

Red Hand

rb_ie wrote: »

You're one of few there, most people in this country seem to drink purely to get drunk.

And a lot of them shouldn't be doing it as being drunk doesn't suit them.

Well, again, it's a social thing. Like, most people probably aren't going to get preposterously drunk alone in their own home, yet they will when with friends. It's often the case of monkey see, monkey do, and if two people of a group are going out so as to get wasted, then the rest of the group are likely to follow.

Again, I think you could say that about many drugs. I used to live with a bunch that smoked weed regularly, yet they hardly ever did it in the amounts they would do when alone. Nearly always smoked when with others. If it was just me with one of the, they'd only have one. (Ha, unless I was the buzz killer:))

briantwin

I cant wait for the "Drug users should all go and die and stop wasting our oxygen!!" shower to take over on this thread. They're more than happy read books by drug addicts and look at masterpieces created by them. But let them straddle their high horse and look down on the drug hungry plebs and their opinions change. The main argument i have with the anti-drug nazi movement is the fact that they don't agree with the live and let live attitude. I respect your choice not to partake, now respect my choice to do what i like. I think if you're not harming anyone by your actions then be left to your own devices.

And i swear to god if i hear anymore people prattle on about how if you use drugs you're funding organized crime. The same could be said for paying your taxes, the bloody government had a major share holding in a cluster bomb factory. You give money in at mass, sure the vatican is involved in retaining stolen roma gold during the second world war, and refusing to return it. And if you buy a can of coke, your oppressing a villager in Columbia and so on. You cant buy many things in this world without some percentage of the profits either being directly or indirectly used to harm ,oppress ,demean or impair someones life or existence.

The only difference is we know about the organized crime that drugs are paired with here because its splashed all over the herald am every day.

Amazotheamazing

Dudess wrote: »

No, it's not wrong to use drugs. People can make their own choices and their own choices are their own business thank you very much.
It's wrong to use drugs if their effect causes suffering for others (e.g. if alcohol makes you violent) or if you're really over-doing it and becoming unwell and your loved ones are starting to worry about you and you won't get help.
But if your intake is moderate and you can handle it, then it's nobody else's business.

Really, must remember that next time there's someone shot dead by the gangs in Limerick or Dublin. Whether you like it or not, these guys are getting shot for the money to be made from middle-class drug users.

Course if you grow your own, or have a better way of getting drugs than involving illegal suppliers, go for it.

Sherifu

funk-you wrote: »

Why?

-Funk

Why not?

-Not funky

Schism

Dudess wrote: »

No, it's not wrong to use drugs. People can make their own choices and their own choices are their own business thank you very much.
It's wrong to use drugs if their effect causes suffering for others (e.g. if alcohol makes you violent) or if you're really over-doing it and becoming unwell and your loved ones are starting to worry about you and you won't get help.
But if your intake is moderate and you can handle it, then it's nobody else's business.

Couldn't agree more here, that's always been my view too. It's the people who go overboard that shouldn't use drugs.

Ciaran500

Sherifu wrote: »

Why not?

-Not funky

Cause its enjoyable for some poeple. Your turn.

pontovic

In my opinion it is very wrong to use drugs when you have responsibilities and the use of any sort of drugs may affect your ability to carry out these responsibilities.

If you have kids that need looking after, if you drive a car or fly a plane, then it is wrong to use drugs. On the other hand, if you are an old man in a hut beside the Mekong river and you are partial to a bit of opium, I don't believe there is anything at all wrong with that.

Sherifu

Ciaran500 wrote: »

Cause its enjoyable for some poeple. Your turn.

People die.

Jay D

ScumLord wrote: »

Alcohol included.

Is it wrong to enjoy drugs, is it wrong to like getting drunk, stoned, trip?

Some people like one or two drinks but would stop short of getting drunk. Which I think is ludicrous if your taking a drug the main reason is to experience the altered state IMO.

I look at drug use as an experience, it's not wrong to enjoy that experience.

I do always feel ashamed after doing drugs.

Like I get guilt if I hear from my parents or something.

I slept all through my birthday last year and felt a great sense of guilt when I woke and got texts from my ma da and sisters.

maybe just the way I was brought up.

Is that the right way to be?

Overheal

You could draw the line at drugs sure. But then you have to explore the philosophy issue of it.

For example youre talking about getting enjoyment out of a substance.

Youd pretty much have to narrow it down from drugs, alcohol, spicy foods (which are in fact toxic), and beyond.

ScumLord even taking one or two beers can do a lot for you without being "drunk". Ever come home from a days work, open up a can of beer, have a nice sit down and just feel awesome? It only takes one. The same way if I want to experience the rush of spicey food sure, I could eat a jalepino. If I wanted a serious, head tripping near fatal rush I could eat 50 and run the risk of death via suffocation, or I can still find satisfaction in one. Same thing applies to cannabis: you dont need to be stoned or buzzed for it to effect you. I smoked very small amounts on a daily basis for several weeks in lieu of using AD's, to the same effect.

Awesomo-4000

i dont see how its wrong to do drugs, i dont do them but a good few of my freinds do and i would never stop and say "jesus lads would ya stop smokin weed" or try and wreck their buzz. its an individuals choice.

Alcohol may technically be a drug, but when im on a night or just havin 6 cans i would never think im doing drugs and i know almost all of my friends would agree with me on that. guess every has a different opinion on the issue thiugh.

funk-you

Sherifu wrote: »

People die.

People die from all sorts of things, Are cars wrong?

Sherifu wrote: »

Why not?

-Not funky

Best comeback EVAR!

-Funk

Ciaran500

Sherifu wrote: »

People die.

Yet you aren't against alcohol or cigarettes?

af_thefragile

they do you more damage emotionally n physically than any good.
figure out for yourself. only u can decide if its rrght or wrong.

Dudess

briantwin wrote: »

I cant wait for the "Drug users should all go and die and stop wasting our oxygen!!" shower to take over on this thread.

Oh they're coming. I can see them up ahead... slowly coming into full view... on those galloping (high) horses of theirs.

They're more than happy read books by drug addicts and look at masterpieces created by them. But let them straddle their high horse and look down on the drug hungry plebs and their opinions change. The main argument i have with the anti-drug nazi movement is the fact that they don't agree with the live and let live attitude. I respect your choice not to partake, now respect my choice to do what i like. I think if you're not harming anyone by your actions then be left to your own devices.

Yep. I also hate people who become **** on drugs and look down on people who don't take them.

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Really, must remember that next time there's someone shot dead by the gangs in Limerick or Dublin. Whether you like it or not, these guys are getting shot for the money to be made from middle-class drug users.

What the guy below said:

And i swear to god if i hear anymore people prattle on about how if you use drugs you're funding organized crime. The same could be said for paying your taxes, the bloody government had a major share holding in a cluster bomb factory. You give money in at mass, sure the vatican is involved in retaining stolen roma gold during the second world war, and refusing to return it. And if you buy a can of coke, your oppressing a villager in Columbia and so on. You cant buy many things in this world without some percentage of the profits either being directly or indirectly used to harm ,oppress ,demean or impair someones life or existence.

Even look at the clothes we wear - it's not always easy to be ethical when it comes to purchasing even basic essentials.

The only difference is we know about the organized crime that drugs are paired with here because its splashed all over the herald am every day.

Yep. Kids working in Nepalese sweat-shops don't make page one of the red tops, the Mail and the Heddald and thus there's no moral outrage like there is over "da druggies".
Wait for it now though... "But buying clothes isn't illegal!" Always trotted out. Except it's the moral implications not the legal ones that are the issue here.

pontovic wrote: »

In my opinion it is very wrong to use drugs when you have responsibilities and the use of any sort of drugs may affect your ability to carry out these responsibilities.

If you have kids that need looking after, if you drive a car or fly a plane, then it is wrong to use drugs.

Of course. But I'm assuming the OP's question is "is it wrong to use drugs full stop?" And no, it is not wrong to use drugs full stop. It is wrong to use drugs under certain circumstances though.

buckfast4me

Oh but.. bla bla.. when you take illegal drugs you are responsible for all the gangland shootings.. bla bla de do da day..

Sherifu

funk-you wrote: »

People die from all sorts of things, Are cars wrong?



Best comeback EVAR!

-Funk

Cars are legal.

Ciaran500 wrote: »

Yet you aren't against alcohol or cigarettes?

Legal, legal.

Ciaran500

So your only problem with illegal drugs is that they are illegal?

Kold

Wrong by who? I think it's wrong to point the finger just to feel good about yourself.



Drugs? Great laugh.

Dudess

Why would something being illegal be enough to turn you against it though?

Medicinal marijuana is illegal, yet it relieves unbearable pain for terminally ill people.

An old woman in England who's campaigning for its legalisation says her life has improved immeasurably thanks to cannabis, following years of physical pain as a result of two car crashes, and decades of emotional and psychological pain following the death of her son.

She goes by her nickname "Cannigran". Not a good nick at all - she really should have picked "Grannibas".

DeVore

I second this question and would add that by making certain drugs illegal, you make criminals of the users of that drug and force them to rub shoulders with other criminals for supply.

It also supports the upper tiers of drug fiefdom, for whom the worst thing that could happen would be de-criminalisation. I'd guess that well over 50% of every drug dealers income is from grass, which could be cut out from under them.

DeV.

briantwin

Dudess,not too sure what was sarcasm and what wasn't . But im glad you agree with some of what i said...again i think you agreed.
As for **** looking down on people for not doing drugs, i agree with that whole heartedly. There is nothing worse at a session than a loud mouth coke head roaring and shouting that everyone is a sh*tbuzz cause they cant be arsed getting coked up and sitting through one of his machine-gun styled over excited and completely nonsensical explanations of why tupac is great!

funk-you

Sherifu wrote: »

Cars are legal.

Legal, legal.

Whats has legality got to do with how right or wrong taking drugs are? I'm not entirely sure but i don't even thing the taking of drugs is illegal just possession and sale . Alchohol is illegal but is classed as a drug in the OP's question. I agree drugs are illegal but why are they wrong?

-Funk

Dudess

No sarcasm at all.

phantom_lord

bit of a silly question op.

Fremen

buckfast4me wrote: »

When you take illegal drugs you are responsible for all the gangland shootings.. bla bla de do da day..

I know you didn't mean that seriously, but I think I'll just chime in before someone does try to use it.
Drugs don't cause gangland shootings, PROHIBITION causes shootings. The fact that prohibition creates an unregulated market which is insanely profitable causes the violence. Another example: alcohol prohibition brought the mafia to power in the United States.

Legalisation and regulation would make the market unprofitable, which would get rid of the violent crime.

Kold

briantwin wrote: »

Dudess,not too sure what was sarcasm and what wasn't . But im glad you agree with some of what i said...again i think you agreed.
As for **** looking down on people for not doing drugs, i agree with that whole heartedly. There is nothing worse at a session than a loud mouth coke head roaring and shouting that everyone is a sh*tbuzz cause they cant be arsed getting coked up and sitting through one of his machine-gun styled over excited and completely nonsensical explanations of why tupac is great!

You think that cocaine makes people really like Tupac?

Red Hand

DeVore wrote: »

I second this question and would add that by making certain drugs illegal, you make criminals of the users of that drug and force them to rub shoulders with other criminals for supply.

It also supports the upper tiers of drug fiefdom, for whom the worst thing that could happen would be de-criminalisation. I'd guess that well over 50% of every drug dealers income is from grass, which could be cut out from under them.

DeV.

Then grow your own if you are going to use it?

Hmmmm...there is a difference between , lets say, someone getting exploited in a foreign country due to me buying an article of clothing and people beng shot in this country due to the illegal drug trade.

And that difference is...my tax money is going towards investigating these crimes and every bloody thing associated with them.

Ciaran500

Kold wrote: »

You think that cocaine makes people really like Tupac?

"Cocaine's a hell of a drug"

Red Hand

Kold wrote: »

You think that cocaine makes people really like Tupac?

You'd need to be drinking ****ing Domestos to like that cunt.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i can't think of any other reason anyway

Cunny-Funt

Use? No.

Abuse? Yes.

Also, it is wrong to use some drugs imo. Like Heroin.

But is something "wrong" simply cause it is in the category of Drugs? Nope.

Ishmael

Drugs are bad m'kaaay,

You shouldn't do drugs.

If you do drugs, you're bad, m'kaaaay

Keggers

WELLLLLLLL. I think anything in moderation is grand really although I'm being a massive hypocrite here because I never have and never will touch drugs or fags (bodge polls included) alcohol on the other hand.....

Ok here's the compromise enjoy the trips, getting stoned, drunk etc just don't go ruining you lives with them ok?

briantwin

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

You'd need to be drinking ****ing Domestos to like that cunt.

And it'd need to be in a "40" bottle that will only contain either that or crunk juice that you can swig while kickin it with your baby mommas!

Sam Vimes

Sherifu wrote: »

It's wrong to use illegal drugs.

so are they illegal because they're wrong?

or are they wrong because they're illegal?

Sam Vimes

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Really, must remember that next time there's someone shot dead by the gangs in Limerick or Dublin. Whether you like it or not, these guys are getting shot for the money to be made from middle-class drug users.

Course if you grow your own, or have a better way of getting drugs than involving illegal suppliers, go for it.

so as i always say, the only bad thing about drugs is that they're illegal.

they're not good for you either but people can do whatever they want to their own health as long as it doesn't affect me