Do you think Global Warming is BS?

Steve

taconnol wrote: »

Dublin is nearing a water shortage and the only options are bringing it up from the Shannon or building a de-salination plant.

...or fix the leaky pipes that account for 50% of Dublins water usage.

Macha

It isn't 50%, it's more like 30% but you're right. Dublin City Council is in the process of carrying out water work upgrades at the rate of approx 1% per year. The reason it isn't higher is lack of funding and you can't switch everyone's water off for a few months.

Another issue with water (slightly OT I know), is that we use the same water to drink as we do to flush our toilets. Totally, totally stupid.

nobodythere

The world doesn't need saving, it's us that needs saving.

Kev_ps3

Its just another scare story that we need to ignore. The planets temp has always been up and down, its not going to end the world now. Just relax, there are much bigger problems in the world.

Caoimhín

grasshopa wrote: »

The world doesn't need saving, it's us that needs saving.

Jebus saves.

nobodythere

Objective view:

You CAN'T know whether global warming is what they say it is. There is too much propoganda, vested interests, crappy scientists and the climate system is way beyond our comprehension.

We have a certain amount of oil, if you don't burn it, someone else will. All your energy efficient lightbulb shit doesn't matter, it only prolongs the problem but it is good for governments who have a purely economic gain from you reducing your energy use.

Long story short, fuck it, it's too late, it's going to happen, get on with your life.


If you want to know more about the oil peak see http://lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
If you want to know more about the basic ideas behind it please read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn (it's a bit off but it's a great introduction).

seamus

I was always suspicious of it, but ever since NASA revised its figures, I've been calling shenanigans on the whole thing.

As humans, we have great difficulty thinking in very big terms and so we vastly overestimate our net impact on the planet. The planet is *huge*. It's way bigger than any of us can imagine.

That said, I'm still all for generally recycling and not pumping out tonnes of smokey fuels and waste. Most of us still have to exist in an environment where massive pollution does have an impact on a local level. So I don't have any major issue in using an invention such as global warming to push people towards greener living.

Global Warming

You just wait and see, you just wait and see...

Caoimhín

Global Warming wrote: »

You just wait and see, you just wait and see...

Just for that im going to burn a few tyres and kill a few seals.

justcallmetex

OK G Warming......The climate of the Earth is undergoing change in terms of climate. Throughout history the earth has always gone thru change is the only true climate constant. Ireland thru out history has been frozen or under tropical oceans or even at times desert.

Termites produce more CO2 than any animal on the planet (not cows)

Co2 is a non pollutant.

Nasa as I understand it have been monitoring global temps but show no rise over 6 years I think.

Other planets thru out the solar system show signs of warming. Kinda hints to me that the sun may have a bigger hand in climate change than Carbon.

Change is the only constant and Green Energy et al is now a cash cow needin milkin.

What do we think will happen if we reduce emissions to 0? The Earths climate will stabilize no more change? Tex reckons time would be better spent pissin in the wind.

Kev_ps3

I would love it if there was a bookies that would take a bet on whether this "global warming" scare story is true or now. I would be rich! Same with the ozone scare, global cooling scare....

Caoimhín

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

I would love it if there was a bookies that would take a bet on whether this "global warming" scare story is true or now. I would be rich! Same with the ozone scare, global cooling scare....

Bird Flu scare, y2k scare, terrorist scare.
World is scary.

Macha

Just an observation on this thread: those who are claiming that global warming is a reality are generally backing up their claims with links to peer-reviewed scientific studies.

Those in the 'it's-all-a-scam' camp are generally just throwing ideas and opinions about with nothing to back them up.

It speaks volumes.

justcallmetex

seamus wrote: »

I was always suspicious of it, but ever since NASA revised its figures, I've been calling shenanigans on the whole thing.

As humans, we have great difficulty thinking in very big terms and so we vastly overestimate our net impact on the planet. The planet is *huge*. It's way bigger than any of us can imagine.

That said, I'm still all for generally recycling and not pumping out tonnes of smokey fuels and waste. Most of us still have to exist in an environment where massive pollution does have an impact on a local level. So I don't have any major issue in using an invention such as global warming to push people towards greener living.

Great point. Pity we wont clean the world up cause it's gettin dirty but no we need to be fed ****e on warming to sell us even more crap we dont need.

justcallmetex

taconnol wrote: »

Just an observation on this thread: those who are claiming that global warming is a reality are generally backing up their claims with links to peer-reviewed scientific studies.

Those in the 'it's-all-a-scam' camp are generally just throwing ideas and opinions about with nothing to back them up.

It speaks volumes.

Cool your boots mate I'll back it up no worries be back soon

Global Warming

caoibhin wrote: »

Just for that im going to burn a few tyres and kill a few seals.

Keep up the good work Caoibhin, i'll spare you.

seamus

taconnol wrote: »

Just an observation on this thread: those who are claiming that global warming is a reality are generally backing up their claims with links to peer-reviewed scientific studies.

Actually, in the case of Global Warming it's quite easy to produce evidence that will support a specific part of the claim of global warming, but it's very difficult to produce an "everything's OK" body of evidence. All that one can do is attempt to refute (or show the incompleteness) of evidence provided by the other side.

justcallmetex

Dear Mr. Secretary-General,
Re: UN climate conference taking the World in entirely the wrong direction
It is not possible to stop climate change, a natural phenomenon that has affected humanity through the ages. Geological, archaeological, oral and written histories all attest to the dramatic challenges posed to past societies from unanticipated changes in temperature, precipitation, winds and other climatic variables. We therefore need to equip nations to become resilient to the full range of these natural phenomena by promoting economic growth and wealth generation.
The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has issued increasingly alarming conclusions about the climatic influences of human-produced carbon dioxide (CO2), a non-polluting gas that is essential to plant photosynthesis. While we understand the evidence that has led them to view CO2 emissions as harmful, the IPCC's conclusions are quite inadequate as justification for implementing policies that will markedly diminish future prosperity. In particular, it is not established that it is possible to significantly alter global climate through cuts in human greenhouse gas emissions. On top of which, because attempts to cut emissions will slow development, the current UN approach of CO2 reduction is likely to increase human suffering from future climate change rather than to decrease it.
The IPCC Summaries for Policy Makers are the most widely read IPCC reports amongst politicians and non-scientists and are the basis for most climate change policy formulation. Yet these Summaries are prepared by a relatively small core writing team with the final drafts approved line-by-line
by *government *representatives. The great *majority of IPCC contributors and *reviewers, and the tens of thousands of other scientists who are qualified to comment on these matters, are not involved in the preparation of these documents. The summaries therefore cannot properly be represented as a consensus view among experts.
Contrary to the impression left by the IPCC Summary reports:
z Recent observations of phenomena such as glacial retreats, sea-level rise and the migration of temperature-sensitive species are not evidence for abnormal climate change, for none of these changes has been shown to lie outside the bounds of known natural variability.
z The average rate of warming of 0.1 to 0. 2 degrees Celsius per decade recorded by satellites during the late 20th century falls within known natural rates of warming and cooling over the last 10,000 years.
z Leading scientists, including some senior IPCC representatives, acknowledge that today's computer models cannot predict climate. Consistent with this, and despite computer projections of temperature rises, there has been no net global warming since 1998. That the current temperature plateau follows a late 20th-century period of warming is consistent with the continuation today of natural multi-decadal or millennial climate cycling.
In stark contrast to the often repeated assertion that the science of climate change is "settled," significant new peer-reviewed research has cast even more doubt on the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused global warming. But because IPCC working groups were generally instructed (see http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/docs/wg1_timetable_2006-08-14.pdf) to consider work published only through May, 2005, these important findings are not included in their reports; i.e., the IPCC assessment reports are already materially outdated.
The UN climate conference in Bali has been planned to take the world along a path of severe CO2 restrictions, ignoring the lessons apparent from the failure of the Kyoto Protocol, the chaotic nature of the European CO2 trading market, and the ineffectiveness of other costly initiatives to curb greenhouse gas emissions. Balanced cost/benefit analyses provide no support for the introduction of global measures to cap and reduce energy consumption for the purpose of restricting CO2 emissions. Furthermore, it is irrational to apply the "precautionary principle" because many scientists recognize that both climatic coolings and warmings are realistic possibilities over the medium-term future.
The current UN focus on "fighting climate change," as illustrated in the Nov. 27 UN Development Programme's Human Development Report, is distracting governments from adapting to the threat of inevitable natural climate changes, whatever forms they may take. National and international planning for such changes is needed, with a focus on helping our most vulnerable citizens adapt to conditions that lie ahead. Attempts to prevent global climate change from occurring are ultimately futile, and constitute a tragic misallocation of resources that would be better spent on humanity's real and pressing problems.
Yours faithfully,

justcallmetex

Geoff L. Austin, PhD, FNZIP, FRSNZ, Professor, Dept. of Physics, University of Auckland, New Zealand
Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant, former climatology professor, University of Winnipeg
Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Merian-Schule Freiburg, Germany
Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, Hull University, U.K.; Editor, Energy & Environment journal
Chris C. Borel, PhD, remote sensing scientist, U.S.
Reid A. Bryson, PhD, DSc, DEngr, UNE P. Global 500 Laureate; Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research; Emeritus Professor of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin
Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta
R.M. Carter, PhD, Professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia
Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Richard S. Courtney, PhD, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.
Willem de Lange, PhD, Dept. of Earth and Ocean Sciences, School of Science and Engineering, Waikato University, New Zealand
David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma
Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.
Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington University
Lance Endersbee, Emeritus Professor, former dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monasy University, Australia
Hans Erren, Doctorandus, geophysicist and climate specialist, Sittard, The Netherlands
Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University
Christopher Essex, PhD, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Associate Director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario
David Evans, PhD, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer and head of ‘Science Speak,' Australia
William Evans, PhD, editor, American Midland Naturalist; Dept. of Biological Sciences, University of Notre Dame
Stewart Franks, PhD, Professor, Hydroclimatologist, University of Newcastle, Australia
R. W. Gauldie, PhD, Research Professor, Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, School of Ocean Earth Sciences and Technology, University of Hawai'i at Manoa
Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas; former director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey
Gerhard Gerlich, Professor for Mathematical and Theoretical Physics, Institut für Mathematische Physik der TU Braunschweig, Germany
Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, sc.agr., Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, INTTAS, Paraguay
Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adjunct Professor, Royal Institute of Technology, Mechanical Engineering, Stockholm, Sweden
Vincent Gray, PhD, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of ‘Climate Change 2001, Wellington, New Zealand
William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University and Head of the Tropical Meteorology Project
Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Connecticut
Louis Hissink MSc, M.A.I.G., editor, AIG News, and consulting geologist, Perth, Western Australia
Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona
Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, AZ, USA
Andrei Illarionov, PhD, Senior Fellow, Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity; founder and director of the Institute of Economic Analysis
Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Chairman - Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland
Jon Jenkins, PhD, MD, computer modelling - virology, NSW, Australia
Wibjorn Karlen, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden
Olavi Kärner, Ph.D., Research Associate, Dept. of Atmospheric Physics, Institute of Astrophysics and Atmospheric Physics, Toravere, Estonia
Joel M. Kauffman, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemistry, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia
David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, New Zealand
Madhav Khandekar, PhD, former research scientist, Environment Canada; editor, Climate Research (2003-05); editorial board member, Natural Hazards; IPCC expert reviewer 2007
William Kininmonth M.Sc., M.Admin., former head of Australia's National Climate Centre and a consultant to the World Meteorological organization's Commission for Climatology Jan J.H. Kop, MSc Ceng FICE (Civil Engineer Fellow of the Institution of Civil Engineers), Emeritus Prof. of Public Health Engineering, Technical University Delft, The Netherlands
Prof. R.W.J. Kouffeld, Emeritus Professor, Energy Conversion, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands
Salomon Kroonenberg, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Geotechnology, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands
Hans H.J. Labohm, PhD, economist, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations), The Netherlands
The Rt. Hon. Lord Lawson of Blaby, economist; Chairman of the Central Europe Trust; former Chancellor of the Exchequer, U.K.
Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary
David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware
Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS
Bryan Leyland, International Climate Science Coalition, consultant and power engineer, Auckland, New Zealand
William Lindqvist, PhD, independent consulting geologist, Calif.
Richard S. Lindzen, PhD, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
A.J. Tom van Loon, PhD, Professor of Geology (Quaternary Geology), Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan, Poland; former President of the European Association of Science Editors
Anthony R. Lupo, PhD, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Dept. of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri-Columbia
Richard Mackey, PhD, Statistician, Australia
Horst Malberg, PhD, Professor for Meteorology and Climatology, Institut für Meteorologie, Berlin, Germany
John Maunder, PhD, Climatologist, former President of the Commission for Climatology of the World Meteorological Organization (89-97), New Zealand
Alister McFarquhar, PhD, international economy, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.
Ross McKitrick, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph
John McLean, PhD, climate data analyst, computer scientist, Australia
Owen McShane, PhD, economist, head of the International Climate Science Coalition; Director, Centre for Resource Management Studies, New Zealand
Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences and Associate Professor of Earth Sciences, Carleton University
Frank Milne, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Economics, Queen's University
Asmunn Moene, PhD, former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway
Alan Moran, PhD, Energy Economist, Director of the IPA's Deregulation Unit, Australia
Nils-Axel Morner, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden
Lubos Motl, PhD, Physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic
John Nicol, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Physics, James Cook University, Australia
David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa
James J. O'Brien, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University
Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia
Garth W. Paltridge, PhD, atmospheric physicist, Emeritus Professor and former Director of the Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies, University of Tasmania, Australia
R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University
Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, Minnesota
Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide and Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia
Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology, Sedimentology, University of Saskatchewan
Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Planetary Geology and Isotope Geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences
Alex Robson, PhD, Economics, Australian National University Colonel F.P.M. Rombouts, Branch Chief - Safety, Quality and Environment, Royal Netherland Air Force
R.G. Roper, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology
Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands
Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, B.C.
Tom V. Segalstad, PhD, (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway
Gary D. Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, CA
S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia and former director Weather Satellite Service
L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario
Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville
Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden
Hendrik Tennekes, PhD, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute
Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands
Brian G Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager - Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park; Dept of Energy, Washington, DC
Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand
Len Walker, PhD, Power Engineering, Australia
Edward J. Wegman, PhD, Department of Computational and Data Sciences, George Mason University, Virginia
Stephan Wilksch, PhD, Professor for Innovation and Technology Management, Production Management and Logistics, University of Technolgy and Economics Berlin, Germany
Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland
David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., energy consultant, Virginia
Raphael Wust, PhD, Lecturer, Marine Geology/Sedimentology, James Cook University, Australia
A. Zichichi, PhD, President of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland; Emeritus Professor of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Italy






Now thats a lot of PHD's innit. But what would they know cause I hear the opposite on Sky news and the Media would never lie to me!

Jimoslimos

justcallmetex wrote: »

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Termites produce more CO2 than any animal on the planet (not cows)

Who said anything about cows producing CO2? Cows produce large amount of methane (CH4)

justcallmetex wrote: »

Co2 is a non pollutant.

Cobalt? no;)

justcallmetex

Good point rushed things a little there ur spot on termites love their methane I stand corrected!
was makin the point that there's a lot o misconceptions out there on what causes what

Macha

Sorry but that's a drop in the ocean compared to the thousands and thousands of scientists who contributed to the IPCC reports.

In addition, a number of the people referenced above are of questionable academic repute. To single out just one, Fred Singer has received funding from ExxonMobil - everybody say 'conflict of interest' for me now.

justcallmetex

Didn't realize we needed to turn up every scientist! could take a while......

copeyhagen

clearly bs.


manbearpig ftw

Kev_ps3

taconnol wrote: »

Just an observation on this thread: those who are claiming that global warming is a reality are generally backing up their claims with links to peer-reviewed scientific studies.

Those in the 'it's-all-a-scam' camp are generally just throwing ideas and opinions about with nothing to back them up.

It speaks volumes.

lol, we will see in 5 or 10 years when all this has blown over, we will see who speaks volumes. But I suppose by then people like you will be trying to convince us of some other disaster coming around the corner.

justcallmetex

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

lol, we will see in 5 or 10 years when all this has blown over, we will see who speaks volumes. But I suppose by then people like you will be trying to convince us of some other disaster coming around the corner.

I wouldn't go so far as to say things will blow over in a few years I do think we will experience a climate shift because history tells us thats what happens.

justcallmetex

The Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change
The Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change

‘Global warming’ is not a global crisis

We, the scientists and researchers in climate and related fields, economists, policymakers, and business leaders, assembled at Times Square, New York City, participating in the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change,

Resolving that scientific questions should be evaluated solely by the scientific method;

Affirming that global climate has always changed and always will, independent of the actions of humans, and that carbon dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant but rather a necessity for all life;

Recognising that the causes and extent of recently observed climatic change are the subject of intense debates in the climate science community and that oft-repeated assertions of a supposed ‘consensus’ among climate experts are false;

Affirming that attempts by governments to legislate costly regulations on industry and individual citizens to encourage CO2 emission reduction will slow development while having no appreciable impact on the future trajectory of global climate change. Such policies will markedly diminish future prosperity and so reduce the ability of societies to adapt to inevitable climate change, thereby increasing, not decreasing, human suffering;

Noting that warmer weather is generally less harmful to life on Earth than colder:

Hereby declare:

That current plans to restrict anthropogenic CO2 emissions are a dangerous misallocation of intellectual capital and resources that should be dedicated to solving humanity's real and serious problems.

That there is no convincing evidence that CO2 emissions from modern industrial activity has in the past, is now, or will in the future cause catastrophic climate change.

That attempts by governments to inflict taxes and costly regulations on industry and individual citizens with the aim of reducing emissions of CO2 will pointlessly curtail the prosperity of the West and progress of developing nations without affecting climate.

That adaptation as needed is massively more cost-effective than any attempted mitigation and that a focus on such mitigation will divert the attention and resources of governments away from addressing the real problems of their peoples.

That human-caused climate change is not a global crisis.

Now, therefore, we recommend -

That world leaders reject the views expressed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as well as popular, but misguided works such as An Inconvenient Truth.

That all taxes, regulations, and other interventions intended to reduce emissions of CO2 be abandoned forthwith.

Agreed at New York, 4 March 2008. [End of Declaration]

Macha

Look I'm not saying that global warming is going to be catastrophic and that the government better start giving out free swimming lessons. I'm just saying it's happening and that there is a considerable anthropogenic nature to it.

Although one thing that annoys me about it is that it tends to overshadow other environmental issues like waste and water pollution.

Interesting that the declaration above was not covered extensively in the Irish or UK media.

'People like me'? What? People like me who are actually studying this stuff on a full time basis in a recognised academic institution, not just googling crap & throwing up unfounded opinions? (not directed at you tex)

dfx-

justcallmetex wrote: »

OK G Warming......The climate of the Earth is undergoing change in terms of climate. Throughout history the earth has always gone thru change is the only true climate constant. Ireland thru out history has been frozen or under tropical oceans or even at times desert.

Termites produce more CO2 than any animal on the planet (not cows)

Co2 is a non pollutant.

Change is constant however the extent and frequency of the change is what is affected. The Earth's natural cycle of change is being accelerated/interrupted - choose whatever word you want.

Termites do, but I don't see humans artificially increasing termite numbers like they do cows.

CO2 isn't even the strongest absorber of the IR region, but it is the most prevalent given its sources followed by methane. Water vapour and fluorinated hydrocarbons are iirc, but they are in such little content that they are effectively negligible.

It really staggers me people don't believe it yet.

Latchy

Global warming or not you dont have to be a rocket scientist to know somthing is not right with this planets weather system .

* Latch having stated the obious now heads off to the bar *