Thunderdome: purely tongue-in-cheek?

Dudess

Yeah I know it's the Thunderdome, don't go in there if you can't take it, you'd be a fool to take things personally etc. But what if someone pushed things too far? E.g. by saying to a pregnant woman: "I hope you fall down the stairs and lose the baby"?
Aren't things supposed to be tongue-in-cheek in there?

Sherifu

If the OP knew she was pregnant[which was no secret in this case] then it's pretty sick imo.

tbh

yes. And I think most of the regulars know that - for example, Degsy and Bantam might abuse the crap out of each other, but they are actually good mates on boards now.

Two precedents: Creepingdeath frequently uses the line "I hope you're the next victim of a single-car fatality" - pretty low in my book - but never got banned (I presume because nobody reported the posts)

The other: Degsy got banned for posting a picture, nobody reported that post either but regi felt it crossed the line.

Did rb_ie go too far? yes, he did, IMO. It's ok slagging Quality - she can give as good as she gets - but that's below the belt.

the problem is, the dome is not modded, except by the admins. SO who gets to decide what's below the belt or not? Either the dome needs a mod, or it doesn't. But that mod will have to decide if rb_ies comment was below the belt, or if it's just a thunderdome comment.


edit: ha! thought this was the mods forum. Ah well, nothing I wouldn't say here anyway.

Marksie

Personally i dont think it is tongue in cheek at times. Its a forum for posters to grind axes and know that they can get away with it.

TerrorFirmer

The large majority of the time, it is tongue in cheek - the efforts made revolve around humor rather then nastiness, and that's the way it should be.

CreepingDeath is funny; and largely original...he makes an effort to do so. I don't think I've seen anything posted by him that constitutes genuine nastiness, to be honest, nor likewise seen anything posted by him perceived as such.

If someone actually said 'I hope you fall down the stairs and loose your baby'...

...Ban. Over the line, even for the thunderdome. I know I gave in there the whole 'it's the internet' line, but there are thresholds....and you don't have to lay down a guideline for that, it's common sense and courtesy...even on the internet.

Overheal

what did rb_ie post exactly for those of us who arent frequent keyboard warriors in the thunderdome?

Sherifu

Overheal wrote: »

what did rb_ie post exactly for those of us who arent frequent keyboard warriors in the thunderdome?

This.

stovelid

I have no personal feelings (or bias) about the posters, but I think a line was crossed there yesterday.

cornbb

It was worse than a line-crossing IMO, its a case of using the Thunderdome to say something pretty underhanded and low knowing well that the place isn't moderated. It went very much against the spirit of the place. Certain posters do seem to like using the Thunderdome for outright bullying and expressing vitriolic points of view. A certain degree of moderation wouldn't go amiss.

Villain

It wasn't funny, its wasn't an insult, it was wish of death to an unborn child, even in Thunderdome thats one step too far imo.

Dudess

cornbb wrote: »

It was worse than a line-crossing IMO, its a case of using the Thunderdome to say something pretty underhanded and low knowing well that the place isn't moderated. It went very much against the spirit of the place. Certain posters do seem to like using the Thunderdome for outright bullying and expressing vitriolic points of view. A certain degree of moderation wouldn't go amiss.

See that's the thing. The point of the Thunderdome is to be tongue-in-cheek and very, very darkly humorous, but if you're gonna abuse it and use it to assassinate people without any humour...

kaizersoze1980

can he be banned for that comment, it is sickening.

stovelid

cornbb wrote: »

Certain posters do seem to like using the Thunderdome for outright bullying and expressing vitriolic points of view. .

When somebody (rightly or wrongly) is singled out for a TD 'campaign', things can get out of hand very quickly.

Like I said already though, the remark was just plain wrong.

Overheal

I've gotten on pretty well with him recently; and yet in the past he's come up on my screen as a bit of a shrewd/bitter ass-hat at times - which isn't to say his posts weren't always somewhat constructive.

That said, there was definitely a line crossed in that thread.

Rb_ie if you attract so much attention in the dome that you've needed to call on attacks like that to otherwise defend yourself in a forum that lives and breathes off the currency of insults and personal abuse... all I can say is you're probably better off staying out of the dome. You aren't supposed to kill eachother or use weapons in Fight Club either.

I'd also give serious thought to a retraction.

Aside from that: The Thunderdome needs a loose charter at the very least. Currently its no-man's land.

kaimera

I'm fairly sure rb deserves a chance to say something here

Dudess

Other than an apology to Quality, can't think of anything else really. It's fairly cut and dry, kaimera.

Villain

kaimera wrote: »

I'm fairly sure rb deserves a chance to say something here

What can he possibly say that would make his comment any less disgusting?

Sherifu

kaimera wrote: »

I'm fairly sure rb deserves a chance to say something here

And he just has.

Pighead

Villain wrote: »

What can he possibly say that would make his comment any less disgusting?

He could wish her well in her recovery from the stair falling and tell her he hopes that she gets pregnant again soon.

oleras

I do not visit the "dung heap" that is the TD. Too much like a school playground.

But i do think that if all someone posts is sh1te, ignore them !

i wonder could 6th do me an " Im ignoring rb" Sig ? ? ?

Overheal

Pighead wrote: »

He could wish her well in her recovery from the stair falling and tell her he hopes that she gets pregnant again soon.

:rolleyes:

I'm sorry I couldnt help but lol.

Sherifu wrote: »

And he just has.

Thats got to be worth something against the countless other muppets on Boards that will drag everything down to the mud until the bitter end... cough Sligobhoy67 cough.

Nerin

i wouldnt be shocked by this...
i rarely go near the thunderdome, i think its fairly lame in all honesty.
maybe there should be a sticky saying "insult away as long as its not death insults" ?
meh, i wouldnt say ban him. just make up ye're minds whats allowed in thunderdome and what isnt.

edit- fair play to him for posting that response.

Doctor DooM

As nasty as a thing it was to say, I honestly thing it was not meant seriously.

I doubt there's a single non trollular person on Boards who would.

It's more a case of mouth (or fingers) engaging before brain.

I think though RB should perhaps apologise for it though.

This is the problem with a non- moderated forum.

Pighead

Xavi6 wrote: »

But that's the thing, she isn't pregnant. And she only told him she'd lost a baby AFTER he made the comment.

Insults about being 'failed abortions' etc are thrown around there right, left and centre. Rb's comment only became different to any of those when circumstances were later revealed.

She is pregnant. Check out her sig.

Malteaser!

Xavi6 wrote: »

But that's the thing, she isn't pregnant. And she only told him she'd lost a baby AFTER he made the comment.

Insults about being 'failed abortions' etc are thrown around there right, left and centre. Rb's comment only became different to any of those when circumstances were later revealed.

She is pregnant. Take a look at her sig.

Pighead

Too slow Maltyballs.

Sherifu

Xavi6 wrote: »

But that's the thing, she isn't pregnant.

What about her sig? Lol post deletion.

Xavi6

Yep only noticed after I posted. Hence the not swift-enough deletion

Overheal

Maybe I'm just naturally morbid or I'm used to hearing worse but I highly imagine the attack wouldn't have had nearly the same degree of impact if not for Quality's specific issue.

Sherifu

Xavi6 wrote: »

Yep only noticed after I posted. Hence the not swift-enough deletion

Hawks we be. You can't defend saying that to a pregnant woman. I see no apology to Quality so far.

Overheal wrote: »

Maybe I'm just naturally morbid or I'm used to hearing worse but I highly imagine the attack wouldn't have had nearly the same degree of impact if not for Quality's specific issue.

Obviously. Wouldn't carry as much weight otherwise. That's why it's so nasty.

6th

Yeah what rb said was bad but with the way the dome is I dont think it is out of place. That said the dome the way it is isa very bad place.

So, what about saying you hope that someone gets raped? Its said in there alot but its said to guys ..... is the idea of a guy being raped seen to be funny because it isnt as common as rape on women?

Dudesss you said TD is about dark humour .. thats not what its about at all. Lolocaust is about dark humour and that place is private.

Posts in the Thunderdome show up in google searches, I would love to know how the Admins of Boards feel about such posts being publically viewable by anyone?

6th

Quality uses the dome alot so I dont think she should really expect an apology, she knows what its like in there and is happy to use it.

Its no secret that myself and rb dont get along on here but he is actually growing on me of late and I dont think he should be made to feel bad.

Nerin

i seem to remember someones "insult" last week was that a user was molested by their father. of course, tongue in cheek. but i didnt see everyone jumping on that post.
if thunderdome is such serious business,why not give those that use it rules and regulations, instead of jumping on them when the insult is something that insults peoples delicate internet sensibilities.

Degsy

He deserves to be banned.he knows what the thunderdome is all about yet he made himself busy reporting posts in there,talking about "newbies,sitebans and Smods".He wants everybody in TT to play by his percieved boards.ie rules yet he was quite happy to break them himself when the going got tough.He knwe damn well quality was pregnant,why else would he have said that about losing her baby?Remember a precedent was set for crossing the line,i was sitebanned for two weeks for posting a picture of somebody taking a dump,fair enough..this was NOT a death wish however on a pregnant woman.

John Mason

its the tunderdome people, thats what happens there. It really annoys me when non-regulars start threads complaining about things that are said there.

i think the thunderdome should be like soccer, you need permission to post there , it would stop all these stupid muppet feedback threads

TerrorFirmer

Overheal wrote: »

Maybe I'm just naturally morbid or I'm used to hearing worse but I highly imagine the attack wouldn't have had nearly the same degree of impact if not for Quality's specific issue.

Considering she's pregnant? That's the whole point. That's like saying to a Jew 'Go die in a concentration camp' and then saying 'Oh, I'm sorry, didn't realize your grandfather died in one'. It doesn't negate the nasty comment in the first place deliberately playing on a sensitive issue.

Tigger

was what hew said wrong? yes
but its the thunderdome's fault its a stupid place that dosen't work.

who needs to be voulenteering to have toilet humor thrown at them while their entire back catalouge of posts is trawlled through by some idiot

rb_ie that was a cheap shot but its clear youn didn't mean it to be any worse that the cornholling insults that get easilly thrown around.

Villain

6th wrote: »

Posts in the Thunderdome show up in google searches, I would love to know how the Admins of Boards feel about such posts being publically viewable by anyone?

yep: http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&rls=DBIE%2CDBIE%3A2006-38%2CDBIE%3Aen&q=+kills+the+unborn+&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryIE

Xavi6

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Considering she's pregnant? That's the whole point. That's like saying to a Jew 'Go die in a concentration camp' and then saying 'Oh, I'm sorry, didn't realize your grandfather died in one'. It doesn't negate the nasty comment in the first place deliberately playing on a sensitive issue.

Why should you negate it though? Isn't that what things like 'The Insult Thread' are all about? See who can go the furthest over the line.

Pighead

Xavi6 wrote: »

Why should you negate it though? Isn't that what things like 'The Insult Thread' are all about? See who can go the furthest over the line.

You mean like sending users death threats?

Xavi6

Pighead wrote: »

You mean like sending users death threats?

Well there aren't any rules so what's to stop it?

All I'm saying is if behaviour like this is left unmoderated then people can't go complaining when it happens.

Kur4mA

cornbb wrote: »

It was worse than a line-crossing IMO, its a case of using the Thunderdome to say something pretty underhanded and low knowing well that the place isn't moderated. It went very much against the spirit of the place. Certain posters do seem to like using the Thunderdome for outright bullying and expressing vitriolic points of view. A certain degree of moderation wouldn't go amiss.

Agreed. I've been a boards reader for a long time now(despite my low post count) and have always avoided the Thunderdome because of the above. It's no longer a board full of humour and piss taking of one another, but an excuse to ridicule other boards members that you take a disliking to and it seems that taking it a step too far has become the norm there now.

Also, all these so called 'Dome regulars posting essentially saying tough and that's how the dome is need to cop onto themselves. As far as I'm aware, this was not the original intention of The Thunderdome and I don't think wishing the death of a womans unborn child should be allowed even there. EVEN IF IT IS IN JEST!

Xavi6

kyub wrote: »

Also, all these so called 'Dome regulars posting essentially saying tough and that's how the dome is need to cop onto themselves. As far as I'm aware, this was not the original intention of The Thunderdome and I don't think wishing the death of a womans unborn child should be allowed even there.

While I agree on that, where is the charter to say what in fact it is intended for? And where are the moderators to maintain these original intentions?

That's the underlying problem here.

6th

I have no problem with the content of the dome, I have a problem with the fact that its public.

tbh

6th wrote: »

I have no problem with the content of the dome, I have a problem with the fact that its public.

what? why? Do you think it reflects on you personally or something?

Before when you asked for feedback on a forum you were proposing, you replied to my doubts by saying "well, the admins seem keen on the idea" or something along those lines. Well, the admins have decided in the case that the dome is open and unmoderated, it's funny you don't use same argument here?

humanji

tbh wrote: »

what? why? Do you think it reflects on you personally or something?

Before when you asked for feedback on a forum you were proposing, you replied to my doubts by saying "well, the admins seem keen on the idea" or something along those lines. Well, the admins have decided in the case that the dome is open and unmoderated, it's funny you don't use same argument here?

Well it seems a bit odd that something like the Lollocaust is private but the Thunderdome is public.

6th

Because they are different arguements?

Anyway some of the stuff said in the dome is pretty sick, if the admins ok with that forum and its contents representing one of the faces of Boards well then its their site - I just dont agree.

As for rb, threads about individual posters in there is wrong and can be bullying. I know that thread was started as a joke and then moved to the dome but tbh it should have been locked or delete like the other april fools threads. Last time a thread was started about a Boardsie (Cathy Moran) it was deleted.

Obviously I just give my opinion and I understand thats all it is.

6th

humanji wrote: »

Well it seems a bit odd that something like the Lollocaust is private but the Thunderdome is public.

Exactly!

Overheal

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Considering she's pregnant? That's the whole point. That's like saying to a Jew 'Go die in a concentration camp' and then saying 'Oh, I'm sorry, didn't realize your grandfather died in one'. It doesn't negate the nasty comment in the first place deliberately playing on a sensitive issue.

People stab me for being a yank all the time, and in Real Life people will poke fun of yore ma - that doesn't mean they know a damn thing about me, my political stature or my ma. God love my Step-brother: after his mom died I was still in the habit of your ma jokes they slipped out all over the place for a few weeks beyond the incident. Was he offended? No. He was understanding about it. I was mortified enough as it was for sputtering it.

The point being it takes very little to no time and very little to no thought to make-up most insults. He probably just looked at her signature and fired away. Along with the way he was being attacked by the general TD population its understandable to see how the comment would have been made quite frankly.

Kur4mA

Xavi6 wrote: »

While I agree on that, where is the charter to say what in fact it is intended for? And where are the moderators to maintain these original intentions?

That's the underlying problem here.

I do agree that it needs to be moderated. In fact, I think it badly needs to be moderated even moreso than some forums which have several moderators even when the forum is essentially dead.

But the other side of this is that some of the people abusing The Thunderdome are essentially slapping the admins in the face. I think the fact they leave it public is testament to them trusting the boards.ie members to use a bit of cop on and not take it too far. In Degsy's case I think the image he posted did, and in rb_ie's case I think his actual post did. However, it's not quite fair that a small number of 'Dome posters are being singled out here when in fact there's quite a lot of others doing the same thing.

Jules

6th wrote: »

threads about individual posters in there is wrong and can be bullying.

Really?