Change North County Dublin to Fingal

santry_goonshow

Sorry now moderator of whoever it is who closed the thread on my proposal to rename the forum/thread BEFORE I had a right of reply and in so doing did the discussion a complete disservice. People have a right to their view but they also have an obligation to provide facts

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055275844

I didn't get a right of reply on the many many distortions of the facts and false statements that were placed in two or three of the replies there especially from Bluetonic:

1. The City/County boundary was moved in 1985, northward giving over parts of Finglas, Ballymun Coolock and Santry to the City whereas they were ALWAYS in the county. Another series of adjustments were made to the boundary in 1991 and 1993, which was an entirely open process and independently adjudicated by a Commission chaired by a judge. Dublin Corporation (on those occasions) made no efforts to seek the lands as far as the M50.

2. The article you posted is completely out of context, but just to fill in the blanks - Dublin City Council wanted the lands around Finglas and Ballymun as part of a rates grab. IKEA is a big rates earner and Fingal Council made the planning decisions to allow it happen. Why should some other Council come in and get the rates when these are long-term income decisions that actually raise the moneys for bins to be collected, school sites to be provided, parks to be maintained, and roads built? In fact what Leo Varadkar says in the article is that Fingal would do a better job of some of this is his Council was given the pheonix Park.

3. Who classifies "parts of Fingal as Dublin City"? A guy you spoke to in the pub? Seriously think about what was said.. As a consequence what I said doesn't imply that there should be overlapping forums.

4. You obviously missed the point of my first thread completely. fingal is concise because its 6 letters versus 17 in North County Dublin, or look at it another way - 1 word versus 3

5. Hill Billy's point is well made, however, that area you describe is vaguely described. If people are interested in planning matters then it is the Fingal County boundary or Dublin City limits that is important wouldn't you think? Last time I checked it was fingal I applied to for building the extension and nobody else....

6. Hill billy your other point about people not caring about Elizabethan counties, rubs against the grain with me because I'm involved in local history groups in Santry. There's a whole lot more to the world we live in today than you see, and if you bother to find out you can understand it better. Just because housing was built over Demesne lands in the 1980s doesn't mean that there aren't any interest clues/habitats left behind and that people don't want to know or as you eloquently put it "give a toss"

Chinafoot

Thread moved to feedback where you should have posted in the first place. For future reference, if I close a thread on the forum I would appreciate it if you would PM me or take it up in feedback rather than repost the thread.

Regarding your argument for changing the name, I disagree. The forum title is perfect for the area it covers, that being North County Dublin. If you call it Fingal you then encompass Blanchardstown which is serviced by it's own Dublin 15 forum.

The number of letters in the title really isn't relevant, particularly if you are changing the areas being covered as a result.

Very much a -1 from me.

311

Everyone knows what North county Dublin is ,whereas fingal district is not widely used.

Trust me ,I work all over north county dublin everyday ,fingal would only generate more areas and confuse things.

Bluetonic

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Rant......Rant......Rant.....mindless drivel

zzzzzzzzzz

-1

Sherifu

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Sorry now moderator of whoever it is who closed the thread on my proposal to rename the forum/thread BEFORE I had a right of reply and in so doing did the discussion a complete disservice. People have a right to their view but they also have an obligation to provide facts

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055275844

I didn't get a right of reply on the many many distortions of the facts and false statements that were placed in two or three of the replies there especially from Bluetonic:

You have no rights here but it is an easy mistake to make. Learn from it and move on is my advice.

santry_goonshow

Chinafoot wrote: »

Thread moved to feedback where you should have posted in the first place. For future reference, if I close a thread on the forum I would appreciate it if you would PM me or take it up in feedback rather than repost the thread.

Regarding your argument for changing the name, I disagree. The forum title is perfect for the area it covers, that being North County Dublin. If you call it Fingal you then encompass Blanchardstown which is serviced by it's own Dublin 15 forum.

The number of letters in the title really isn't relevant, particularly if you are changing the areas being covered as a result.

Very much a -1 from me.

Chinafoot, my apologies for breaching protocol. I will comply with your request in future. But two questions. When is a post deemed to be closed, when several people have vented about what they call their area, or is it when facts are presented? Second why did you rename this thread in the way you did because it seems to suggest a more general application of the Fingal v NCD issue that I didn't suggest

santry_goonshow

Sherifu wrote: »

You have no rights here but it is an easy mistake to make. Learn from it and move on is my advice.

Why post anything then?

santry_goonshow

Bluetonic wrote: »

zzzzzzzzzz

-1

Is this what you call a personal attack?

Anyway I'm sorry you had no facts to come back with, I thought you might for a minute but then there's nothing. Shame.

santry_goonshow

311 wrote: »

Everyone knows what North county Dublin is ,whereas fingal district is not widely used.

Trust me ,I work all over north county dublin everyday ,fingal would only generate more areas and confuse things.

What do you mean by "generate more areas"? Just curious.

Sherifu

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Why post anything then?

Post within the rules my friend.

santry_goonshow

Sherifu wrote: »

Post within the rules my friend.

Please point them out, especially where I have breached.

Sherifu

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Please point them out, especially where I have breached.

Posting a feedback thread in Dublin County North.
Reposting it after it was locked.

Chinafoot

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Chinafoot, my apologies for breaching protocol. I will comply with your request in future. But two questions. When is a post deemed to be closed, when several people have vented about what they call their area, or is it when facts are presented? Second why did you rename this thread in the way you did because it seems to suggest a more general application of the Fingal v NCD issue that I didn't suggest

The original title of this thread was "Closure of threads". By renaming this thread I was making it more obvious what the discussion is about. You stated in your original, locked, thread,

santry_goonshow wrote: »

I wonder if its time now to call this thread Fingal instead of North County Dublin or Dublin County, North.

Seems pretty general to me.

santry_goonshow

Sherifu wrote: »

Posting a feedback thread in Dublin County North.
Reposting it after it was locked.

No sorry, that was a protocol breach. The moderator handled it and has accepted there is life in the issue and it will be discussed. The RULES are:

The usual boards.ie rules apply:
No personal abuse
No trolling
No spamming
No links to offensive material such as pornography
No advertising
Statements about named individuals or companies may be removed should they be seen as libellous.

So are you trying to break the first one?

Sherifu

There's also a muppet rule.

Chinafoot

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Anyway I'm sorry you had no facts to come back with, I thought you might for a minute but then there's nothing. Shame.

What is all this facts business? Seriously? The forums here don't have to adhere to any city or county boundaries nor do they have to be an address recognised by An Post. The users wanted a forum to cover the North County Dublin area, they requested a forum to cover that area and it was granted by the admins. Simple.

Why on earth should it be changed to please you? As has already been pointed out to you, it would add unnecessary confusion as certain areas of Fingal are already covered with forums of their own, eg: Blanchardstown.

311

santry_goonshow wrote: »

What do you mean by "generate more areas"? Just curious.

Not all areas covered by fingal ,include the current North county dublin area.
To me ,fingal represents areas like st.margarets ,swords and surrounding areas. But thats just my view ,I'm sure other people see it differently.

North county dublin covers the current forum nicely and the bordering blanchardstown with the Dublin 15 forum ,makes things easy for everyone.

Bluetonic

I'm getting a headache.

Do i need to get my driving licence and passport changed to reflect Fingal?

Perhaps we could have two forums,

1. FINGAL
2. DUBLIN COUNTY NORTH

We can get them to sync in real time.

More importantly would I weight the same in the FINGAL forum as the DUBLIN COUNTY NORTH forum?

santry_goonshow

Bluetonic wrote: »

I'm getting a headache.

Do i need to get my driving licence and passport changed to reflect Fingal?

Perhaps we could have two forums,

1. FINGAL
2. DUBLIN COUNTY NORTH

We can get them to sync in real time.

More importantly would I weight the same in the FINGAL forum as the DUBLIN COUNTY NORTH forum?

Still waiting on the facts... tick ..tick tick tick

santry_goonshow

Chinafoot wrote: »

What is all this facts business?

Why on earth should it be changed to please you? .

Just that there's a lack of facts thoughout the replies on the first thread, which I dealt with. If you don't like it that's your concern. I made my point and I'm happy. I'm now awiting other original views. Also leaving a thread live for 12 hours before you lock it hardly allows others a chance to give their views. Dontcha think it would be better to let a few ppl have their views?

Chinafoot

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Just that there's a lack of facts thoughout the replies on the first thread, which I dealt with. If you don't like it that's your concern. I made my point and I'm happy. I'm now awiting other original views. Also leaving a thread live for 12 hours before you lock it hardly allows others a chance to give their views. Dontcha think it would be better to let a few ppl have their views?

First of all you posted in the wrong forum. It wouldn't have taken much work for you to have a look around the site and figure out where to post.

Secondly, the name was chosen by the admins. It was chosen to cover the areas of North County Dublin, just as there is a forum for the South of the county. There isn't really much discussion to be had as far as I can see, unless you're proposing we either remove the Blanchardstown element of the Dublin 15 forum, or have an overlap, neither of which make any sense.

The forum works fine as it is. I don't like to judge people on their post count but I'll be honest and say I find it a bit rich that after a handful of posts you start a thread like that.

santry_goonshow

311 wrote: »

Not all areas covered by fingal ,include the current North county dublin area.
To me ,fingal represents areas like st.margarets ,swords and surrounding areas. But thats just my view ,I'm sure other people see it differently.

Originally the old barony of Fynnegal went from the Tolka River to the Devlin River just outside Balbriggan. It was a recognised area from the 7th Century to the 15th Century when the English landowners wiped the blood from their boots and drew Irelands current county boundaries. Anyway u seem pretty knowledgable so I challenge you to look at all the uses of the name Fingal other than the Council - its out there in all kinds of corporate names and club names...

Wishbone Ash

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Dontcha think it would be better to let a few ppl have their views?

The word 'Fingal' is generally unpopular. Most of us prefer to use 'North County Dublin'. I don't know anyone who say that they reside in 'Fingal'.



.....although sometimes I feel that it should be renamed the 'Balbriggan Forum'! :eek:

Bluetonic

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Still waiting on the facts... tick ..tick tick tick

The 1841 census of Balbriggan showed a population of 1601 males, 1358 females, and 1 troll.

santry_goonshow

Chinafoot wrote: »

First of all you posted in the wrong forum. It wouldn't have taken much work for you to have a look around the site and figure out where to post.

Secondly, the name was chosen by the admins. It was chosen to cover the areas of North County Dublin, just as there is a forum for the South of the county. There isn't really much discussion to be had as far as I can see, unless you're proposing we either remove the Blanchardstown element of the Dublin 15 forum, or have an overlap, neither of which make any sense.

The forum works fine as it is. I don't like to judge people on their post count but I'll be honest and say I find it a bit rich that after a handful of posts you start a thread like that.

How many times should I apologise for setting up the second (and necessary) continuation.

The rationale for choosing the name for this section of the board is not flawless. Like I said. i made my point earlier. Disagree if you will.

Finally, you are right. You have no place to judge people on the number of their posts. That does not reflect their knowledge, maturity or shoe size. In fact it reflects nothing at all and rich or not life throws up all kinds of surprises, including the fact that people had lives/experience and education BEFORE they joined a particular discussion board.

santry_goonshow

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

The word 'Fingal' is generally unpopular. Most of us prefer to use 'North County Dublin'. I don't know anyone who say that they reside in 'Fingal'.



.....although sometimes I feel that it should be renamed the 'Balbriggan Forum'! :eek:

I agree! Well actually I know people in Skerries and Rush who like the Fingalllian "identity". But yes, Balbriggan is surely big enough and ugly enough to have its own bit of boards.ie

Is flaming a word that is used on this board - and how do I report that? (Sorry flaming means personally directed off-topic short posts by people with no points, facts or valuable thoughts to contibute)

Chinafoot

santry_goonshow wrote: »

How many times should I apologise for setting up the second (and necessary) continuation.

The rationale for choosing the name for this section of the board is not flawless. Like I said. i made my point earlier. Disagree if you will.

I'm failing to see much of a point to be honest. You said one thing, which was then countered by multiple posters. You then pretty much ignored that. *shrug*

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Finally, you are right. You have no place to judge people on the number of their posts. That does not reflect their knowledge, maturity or shoe size. In fact it reflects nothing at all and rich or not life throws up all kinds of surprises, including the fact that people had lives/experience and education BEFORE they joined a particular discussion board.

I agree, however it also reflects a lack of knowledge and experience of the particular discussion board. You had, what, 15 posts on boards when you suggested changing the name? Why not familiarise yourself a little more with the way the board and the site in general works before you go calling for changes.

Bluetonic

Chinafoot wrote: »

Why not familiarise yourself a little more with the way the board and the site in general works before you go calling for changes.

+1

santry_goonshow; You seem like you've something valuable to add to the Dublin County North forum, hopefully you'll stick around regardless of the name. x

santry_goonshow

Chinafoot wrote: »

I'm failing to see much of a point to be honest. You said one thing, which was then countered by multiple posters. You then pretty much ignored that. *shrug*

I agree, however it also reflects a lack of knowledge and experience of the particular discussion board. You had, what, 15 posts on boards when you suggested changing the name? Why not familiarise yourself a little more with the way the board and the site in general works before you go calling for changes.

I've listened to the other views. What would be better is to divide Dublin into 4 like the Local Authorities because these have equal population bases. then divide the city into north and south. That gives you 5 areas of Dublin each with about 250 thou ppl. Then you subdivide these areas into smaller ones, Blanchardstown under Fingal also balbriggan, swords etc. I like Fingal as a placename because I know stuff about my history. Everyone can disagree with that all they like.

My 15 posts are spanned over a few weeks of observing the board. So you are presumptive. Anyway why don't you ask the admin gods to disable people from posting new threads if its such a problem. And the whole PM me and don't start seperate threads wasn't in the rules. I've been on boards where this is fine - just a local protocol to you and I'm observing it.

santry_goonshow

Bluetonic wrote: »

+1

santry_goonshow; You seem like you've something valuable to add to the Dublin County North forum, hopefully you'll stick around regardless of the name. x

So what, I've passed your test now. I will add to the board under my own steam- as I say there are no apprenticeships stated or implied in the rules and discussion threads are for mature people who are interested in sharing and exchanging views. Having an open mind isn't in the rules either but I'm sure it adds to the enjoyment.

Chinafoot

santry_goonshow wrote: »

I've listened to the other views. What would be better is to divide Dublin into 4 like the Local Authorities because these have equal population bases. then divide the city into north and south. That gives you 5 areas of Dublin each with about 250 thou ppl. Then you subdivide these areas into smaller ones, Blanchardstown under Fingal also balbriggan, swords etc. I like Fingal as a placename because I know stuff about my history. Everyone can disagree with that all they like.

People can and most likely will disagree. The boards work fine as they are and changing them will do more harm than good. Feel free to ignore that point, yet again.

santry_goonshow wrote: »

IMy 15 posts are spanned over a few weeks of observing the board. So you are presumptive. Anyway why don't you ask the admin gods to disable people from posting new threads if its such a problem. And the whole PM me and don't start seperate threads wasn't in the rules. I've been on boards where this is fine - just a local protocol to you and I'm observing it.

It is not a local protocol to me. It is the same on a lot of fora. Your whole attitude is really doing your "argument" no favours here. There is a learning curve with all forums and as such I will suggest, again, that it may be beneficial for you to become more familiar with the site before calling for boards to be changed.

311

santry_goonshow wrote: »

So what, I've passed your test now. I will add to the board under my own steam- as I say there are no apprenticeships stated or implied in the rules and discussion threads are for mature people who are interested in sharing and exchanging views. Having an open mind isn't in the rules either but I'm sure it adds to the enjoyment.

Telling Dublin bus to change the routes of their bus routes ,is as useful as what your doing at the moment.

Bob the Builder

if it aint broke, dont fix it...

santry_goonshow

Chinafoot wrote: »

People can and most likely will disagree. The boards work fine as they are and changing them will do more harm than good. Feel free to ignore that point, yet again.



It is not a local protocol to me. It is the same on a lot of fora. Your whole attitude is really doing your "argument" no favours here. There is a learning curve with all forums and as such I will suggest, again, that it may be beneficial for you to become more familiar with the site before calling for boards to be changed.

Yes I CAN disagree. If you are trying to lock horns with me then its working. So now I have an "argument" inverted commas. That's an absolutely outrageous comment - i made my argument. Perhaps you are not reading it. IMO there is only one poster refuting it properly but I'm not for turning. Perhaps the readers here have the intelligence to see the weight of my argument and the small breach of fussy protocol separately. No?

Your suggestion to observe is noted, but I will do as I please within the rules and the member agreement.

santry_goonshow

311 wrote: »

Telling Dublin bus to change the routes of their bus routes ,is as useful as what your doing at the moment.

Well, I happen to know a few routes that ought to be changed. But if you mean Dublin Bus don't listen to sugggestions in the same way as lots of people don't listen to suggestions then you are right

311

It's not maths science what you are requesting ,it's fairly basic to be honest.
Once is enough though.

Chinafoot

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Yes I CAN disagree. If you are trying to lock horns with me then its working. So now I have an "argument" inverted commas. That's an absolutely outrageous comment - i made my argument. Perhaps you are not reading it. IMO there is only one poster refuting it properly but I'm not for turning. Perhaps the readers here have the intelligence to see the weight of my argument and the small breach of fussy protocol separately. No?

Your suggestion to observe is noted, but I will do as I please within the rules and the member agreement.

Oh calm down for gods sake. I'm not trying to lock horns with you.

You say it should be changed, I say it shouldn't. I don't agree that there should be so many divisions for Dublin. There is an issue of traffic for a start. You mention the areas having 250 thousand each in population...that doesn't automatically translate to boards users though. Some areas may have more users than others. Whether you're for turning or not is not my concern. At the end of the day the decision will come down to the admins. If they feel it should be changed then it will be.

As for the "small breach of fussy protocol", you're the one focusing on that, not me. I have updated the charter to prevent any further confusion.

Also, I didn't suggest you simply observe, I suggested you familiarise yourself. There is a difference.

blastman

Bluetonic wrote: »

The 1841 census of Balbriggan showed a population of 1601 males, 1358 females, and 1 troll.

We need more wimmin!!

Can I vote that we never mention the "F" word again?

The Hill Billy

santry_goonshow:

Your constant references to boundaries, etc are irrelevant to the title of the Dublin County North forum. The title fits in to the overall structure of the Region category on boards. The forum title is decided upon by an Admin, not the users. The regular users of the forum are happy with it & I can't see any reason why they would change it just for you & your specific interest in boundaries, county councils, etc.

Your interest in the history of Fingal is, again, totally irrelevant to the title of the Dublin County North forum. If your interest is in history & you wish to discuss it with other boardsies - go to the History & Heritage forum. Like I said earlier - Dublin County North is more of a general community-type forum. Specific interests are discussed in their own relevant specialised fora.

With regards to your suggestion to "divide Dublin into 4 like the Local Authorities because these have equal population bases" - you need to raise this in the Forums forum.




Enjoy using boards, but a word of advice - you'll enjoy it all the more & get along better in this community if you refrain from shouting the odds without getting a feel for the place & people first.

tbh

you're here a month and already you are demanding that the site be changed to suit you, even tho you're the only one who feels the change is needed?

I think boards would be better without you, tbh. You can lease vbulletin software for 80 bucks a year, I suggest you get your own website and start a forum with whatever name you wish.

The Hill Billy

tbh that's a great idea tbh. I'd suggest www.AreaNomenclatureChangesFromDyflinarskiAndFynnegallThroughTheAdoptationOfTheElizabethanShireSystemToTheLocalGovtAct1993AndTheAdministrativeAreKnownAsFingal-ButNotDublinCountyNorthBoards.ie

tbh

it's available!

Sherifu

Suppose you could tinyurl it.

Maximilian

While we're at it can we have the Laois forum changed to "Queen's County" forum. plx

The Hill Billy

Maximilian wrote: »

While we're at it can we have the Laois forum changed to "Queen's County" forum. plx

Another damn Elizabethan-shire-system fan. This place is being overrun by you feckers these days!

Zaph

Just to throw my 2c in. Fingal is an administrative area that encompasses pretty much all of what is covered by the NCD and D15 forums. The Dublin 15 forum was requested because it was felt by quite a few posters living in the western part of Fingal that the NCD forum had a more northern based user group and tended to focus on issues relating to that part of the area. Consequently people felt that there was nowhere really to post issues specifically relating to Dublin 15. The D15 forum was granted and while it's not by any means the busiest forum on Boards, there's a regular group of posters there who are happy to discuss what are mainly local issues that wouldn't be of much interest to most people in a wider Fingal forum.

Personally I think the system works very well at the moment, and following on from the D15 forum the West County Dublin forum was opened for those in Lucan, Clondalkin, etc., who didn't really feel part of the South County Dublin forum. As was mentioned earlier, the forums don't necessarily have to conform to specific geographic boundaries. A critical mass of posters in an area requesting a forum and being able to demonstrate that it would be used is all it takes.

santry_goonshow

two more interest points
1. Suggestions are not demands
2. Laois was renamed from Leix and before that Queens County. The latter 2 names were imposed without democracy by the British. Calling NCD Fingal is restoring an original Irish name onto a British creation.

But hey don't let facts get in the way of the mirth:D

311

You have been defeated ,great knight of Fingal

santry_goonshow

LOL

Tis' but a scratch.

Come back yer yellow b*stards.:D

Sherifu

santry_goonshow

Now this last one has mortally wounded me and defeated my "argument".