Waterford Whinge (for and against)

Bards

Fact re the N11. The N11 terminates at Wexford a good 30 Miles from Waterford. Are we to believe that the old saying "I wouldn;t start from Waterford if I were you, I'd go east about 30 miles and then start your journey from there" holds true?

Presently the N11 DC starts from clough just north of Enniscorthy a good 45 minute drive from Waterford. on a Friday add another 30 minutes to get through New Ross.

This is like comparing the two motorways running parallel to the north West N2 & M3 which are closer together that the N11 & M9 but which gets no ire from posters like Mysterious.

This is hyprotical considering that the M3 is a road to nowhere (Commuter-ville), and will be of no strategic importance to the Country as a whole, has no industry worth noting, no Port etc etc

oh yeah isn;t Dempsey from Meath so that must be why they are getting a Motorway;)

mysterious

Bards wrote: »

Fact re the N11. The N11 terminates at Wexford a good 30 Miles from Waterford. Are we to believe that the old saying "I wouldn;t start from Waterford if I were you, I'd go east about 30 miles and then start your journey from there" holds true?

Presently the N11 DC starts from clough just north of Enniscorthy a good 45 minute drive from Waterford. on a Friday add another 30 minutes to get through New Ross.

This is like comparing the two motorways running parallel to the north West N2 & M3 which are closer together that the N11 & M9 but which gets no ire from posters like Mysterious.

This is hyprotical considering that the M3 is a road to nowhere (Commuter-ville), and will be of no strategic importance to the Country as a whole, has no industry worth noting, no Port etc etc

oh yeah isn;t Dempsey from Meath so that must be why they are getting a Motorway;)

SIGH

This is where you have to be ignorant?! Did you ever hear of the N25 or N30 that actually connects to the N11. It's on the Map.

Thats like saying Cork travellers won't use the N7 at Portloaise as the N8 terminates at the N7. Bards I hope your just joking around. If not I'm in horror of your recent post.

Second point i've said this already Bards. I hope you can understand it

The New Ross and Enniscorthy bypass will tie into the Waterford bypass and connect to the N11 just North of Enniscorty. It will be of dual carriegway standard. Please go to the NRA website and a sea of information will come before your eyes. They might even have maps available to show the routes etc. When the route is finished it will run along towards Waterford City. IT can match a good alternative to the M9.

M3 was built to create urban sprawl in meath, (like the M7 did in kildare and M50 ditto) You have to pay for it though. Off topic now

serfboard

mysterious wrote: »

Did you ever hear of the N25 or N30 that actually connects to the N11.

Agreed, HQDC N11/N30/N25 to Waterford would have done the same thing.

However, given their rise as commuter towns, Kilkenny and Carlow did need to be bypassed. I agree with what other are posters saying about tolling, though. Road to Galway to have 2 tolls and road to Waterford to have none? If ye guys have sufficient traffic volumes then this could (should?) have been PPP'd.

OTOH, all politics is local

invincibleirish

serfboard wrote: »

OTOH, all politics is local

You say it like thats a good thing :rolleyes:

mad man

invincibleirish wrote: »

You say it like thats a good thing :rolleyes:

It's not a good thing. Which is why the ire directed at Waterford should be directed where it belongs i.e the Western seaboard who have developed parish pump politics to a fine art.The N11 would not have served the other population centres as has been stated.As far local politics is concerned the problem only seems to be that Waterford has recently managed to do what the rest of the country has been doing for generations.

Boardsbud

Probably the best post in this long boring thread mad man, well done. There's a lot of parish pump politics at play in this thread. I've driven to Waterford recently down the N9, a disgrace of a road, particularly through KK, shame on that authority for not keeping up basic maintainance i.e. straightening a few bends and widening roads where land obviously exists in its ownership to do so. I'm amazed why people in South KK have problems with Waterford re proposed boundary extensions etc.., try targeting you ire at your own County Council and TD's who have no regard for the people in that county, south of the city.
I travelled back up the N25/30/11 route, a far better road in every respect, even the N30 stretch is better than the N9 through KK but until that road is upgraded (it was resurfaced for the Tour de France how many years ago ?) and the New Ross and Enniscorthy bypasses are in place, both a long way off, this route will not be used by most Waterford people heading for Dublin. Martin Cullen is the first minister Waterford has had for years, he's bound to deliver something for that county "in the national interest" in the same way as gombeen men like Jackie Healy Rae who hold the government to ransom in lieu of his support delivers results for his constituency by means of that very same parish pump politics routine. If people in Cork in particular have issues with the N20 or other routes, why not canvas Micheal Martin or Ned O' Keefe or whoever else is down there ? They work on the very same principles.
I'd love to see national infrastructure delivered on a "needs" basis just as much as anyone but as long as gombeen government continues this wont change. But there's no point ranting on here about roads that are two thirds built.

invincibleirish

Boardsbud wrote: »

Probably the best post in this long boring thread mad man, well done. There's a lot of parish pump politics at play in this thread. I've driven to Waterford recently down the N9, a disgrace of a road, particularly through KK, shame on that authority for not keeping up basic maintainance i.e. straightening a few bends and widening roads where land obviously exists in its ownership to do so. I'm amazed why people in South KK have problems with Waterford re proposed boundary extensions etc.., try targeting you ire at your own County Council and TD's who have no regard for the people in that county, south of the city.
.....If people in Cork in particular have issues with the N20 or other routes, why not canvas Micheal Martin or Ned O' Keefe or whoever else is down there ? They work on the very same principles.
I'd love to see national infrastructure delivered on a "needs" basis just as much as anyone but as long as gombeen government continues this wont change. But there's no point ranting on here about roads that are two thirds built.

Again, you say all that like thats a good thing. double sighs for you...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Boardsbud

Care to elaborate further than a few smileys invincibleirish ?
I think its quite clear from my post that I don't consider the way this country is run, as a "good thing". I cannot personally do a whole lot about that other than exercise my right to vote at election time. I can canvas politicians in between times but as a country we get the government we elect and as a result have to live with the decisions made and approved by them whether we like them or not. Unfortunately the way many of these decisions are made are very questionable and are blatant vote catchers. There's nothing new here, this is the way this country has been run forever, no matter who's been in power. The government is just one big mickey mouse county council run on bribes and corruption and favours for friends and the party faithful. Did I read somewhere the Tullamore bypass is being fast tracked ? That has to be more than just a coincidence. I don't know how that particular road fits into the scheme of things as regards crucial national infrastructure.
But you've made it clear through this thread that you've got issues re the N20 and issues with a road to Waterford that's well on the way to being built and will be finished whether you like it or not. Why not vent some of your energies towards campaigning locally and canvassing your TD's about the need for the N20 upgrade rather than being against a road thats nearly finished.

invincibleirish

Boardsbud wrote: »

Care to elaborate further than a few smileys invincibleirish ?
I think its quite clear from my post that I don't consider the way this country is run, as a "good thing". I cannot personally do a whole lot about that other than exercise my right to vote at election time. I can canvas politicians in between times but as a country we get the government we elect and as a result have to live with the decisions made and approved by them whether we like them or not. Unfortunately the way many of these decisions are made are very questionable and are blatant vote catchers. There's nothing new here, this is the way this country has been run forever, no matter who's been in power. The government is just one big mickey mouse county council run on bribes and corruption and favours for friends and the party faithful. Did I read somewhere the Tullamore bypass is being fast tracked ? That has to be more than just a coincidence. I don't know how that particular road fits into the scheme of things as regards crucial national infrastructure.
But you've made it clear through this thread that you've got issues re the N20 and issues with a road to Waterford that's well on the way to being built and will be finished whether you like it or not. Why not vent some of your energies towards campaigning locally and canvassing your TD's about the need for the N20 upgrade rather than being against a road thats nearly finished.

Its parochial politics, what more needs to be said?.

Boardsbud

So it took 7 days to compose those words of wisdom !
No one's denying the fact that parochial politics are at play here. Of course nothing like that never happens in Cork though.........

invincibleirish

Boardsbud wrote: »

So it took 7 days to compose those words of wisdom !
No one's denying the fact that parochial politics are at play here. Of course nothing like that never happens in Cork though.........

TBH this thread is dragging on, im sure i could elaborate but do you really want another round of this thread?

Parochial politics effect Cork negatively. Cork Airport suffers in particular.

darkman2

Waterford is as relevant of a fly on the windowsill when it comes to the economy. Fact. Comparing it to towns like Cork is lunacy. Comparing it to the only real city on this island - Dublin should be enough to put you in a mental home. Should Waterford have a motorway? No.

road_high

darkman2 wrote: »

Waterford is as relevant of a fly on the windowsill when it comes to the economy. Fact. Comparing it to towns like Cork is lunacy. Comparing it to the only real city on this island - Dublin should be enough to put you in a mental home. Should Waterford have a motorway? No.

I'm sure the 1,000s of people employed in the likes of Baush & Lomb in Waterford would disagree with you but I suppose you are entitled to your opinion. If you state that about somewhere like Waterford you are more or less saying Dublin is the only place that matters re the economy.

invincibleirish

mfitzy wrote: »

I'm sure the 1,000s of people employed in the likes of Baush & Lomb in Waterford would disagree with you but I suppose you are entitled to your opinion. If you state that about somewhere like Waterford you are more or less saying Dublin is the only place that matters re the economy.

Waterford has a large factory. well done. whats your point?

Bards

invincibleirish wrote: »

Waterford has a large factory. well done. whats your point?

from http://www.idaireland.com/home/index.aspx?id=146

Waterford City is the capital of the South East Region. With a population of 46,736 and more than 335,000 within a 60km commuting distance, the city is strategically located on the North-South Corridor Euroroute 30, with Dublin, Cork and Limerick each within a 2.5 hour drive.

There are 79 IDA supported overseas companies operating in the South East Region, employing nearly 11,000 people. Pharmaceutical and Medical Technologies is the largest sector through companies such as GlaxoSmithkline, Genzyme, Merck Sharp & Dohme and Guidant. Engineering is the second largest sector with 25% of the employment in companies such as Honeywell, Braun and ABS Pumps.

Third Level education in the South East Region is well represented with Waterford Institute of Technology, Institute of Technology Carlow, Carlow College and Tipperary Institute in Clonmel providing excellent under- and post-graduate programmes. Total graduate enrolment is in excess of 10,000 students with an additional 5,000 students in continuing education. Each of the third level Institutes have developed strong links with industry and significant research capabilities.

The South East Regional Airport is located in Waterford with daily flights to and from London and flights to Manchester in England three times a week. Sea access is provided through the deep-water port at Belview (4 miles from Waterford) and the ferry services to the UK & France through Rosslare Europort. International airports at Dublin and Shannon (Limerick) are also easily accessible by the national road or rail networks traversing the region.

invincibleirish

I think you should read fully what you cut and paste

Bards wrote: »

from http://www.idaireland.com/home/index.aspx?id=146
Third Level education in the South East Region is well represented with Waterford Institute of Technology, Institute of Technology Carlow, Carlow College and Tipperary Institute in Clonmel providing excellent under- and post-graduate programmes

But thats for another thread. Whats all this trying to prove, again what is your point?