moving any vaguely sex related threads to s & s

Seraphina

I just replied to a post in the Ladies Lounge, which has now been moved. Obviously to S & S. I dont think it was right, considering she was looking for other female opinions and it wasn't discussing particularities of sex per se.

I think its a bit unfair, the original poster now no longer has access to her thread, and her and my post have now both been moved to a forum we don't have access to, where we can't explain/defend/comment on any replies, and everyone with access has free reign to say what they want.

I don't particularly care about access, but instead of moving threads which the original poster has made to a forum where they can't see replies (which makes the post totally pointless to the OP and anyone who replies afterwards) why not just delete them if deemed inappropriate (which i don't think this thread really was...)? My comment was meant for the ladies of the lounge and not all you lech's in S & S!!

Rb

But it might make for good discussion in S&S?

r3nu4l

/visits S&S forum

biko

Ok ladies, a tough enough subject ill admit!! Oral sex on man, i physically cant do it and it just seems like EVERYONE is doing it!!! My man understands completely and would never pressure me into it but id love to be able to do it for him..

Anyone else have this problem???

This is more S&S than casual Ladies talk. Windsock was right to move it imo.

Link for subscribers.

watna

I thought it was inappropriate.

Talking about sexual acts in a thread which may have become quite explicit in a forum where people of all ages can access it, is not appropriate. At least the circumcision thread was scientific, not a description of sexual acts.

I think windsock was right to move it too. It may be of some use in the S and S thread. The OP wouldn't have been able to see if it had been deleted either so at least it should go to some use.

If the OP wants to talk about sexual acts than she can suscribe and ask int he S and S forum.

Seraphina

well, its a question directed and ladies only for a start. she wanted the opinions of other ladies and to see if anyone else had that problme, not discussion of oral sex in general.

my point is though, why bother moving a thread asking for advice on something to somewhere the OP can't read it? why not just delete and recommend they post in Personal Issues or something (if its not suitable for the LL then it's definitely more for PI anyway IMO)

edit : she's not talking specifically or in detail about the sexual act, just saying she can't do it, and asking if any other ladies are the same. everyone can read PI, and some of the stuff said in there would be much worse, i don't see the argument personally.

kaimera

its not really of use in S&S tbh.

It's already been done quite a few times iirc.

GuanYin

Considering the content of other fora, I never really understood why S&S was locked to subscribers only.

It isn't as if the stuff there is any more X-rated than allegedly underage posters giving advice on BJ's in other fora (as was alleged in a AH thread).

I'd say open up S&S or have it access request soccer style or even have an I am over 18 pop up disclaimer.

_blank_

PSI wrote: »

Considering the content of other fora, I never really understood why S&S was locked to subscribers only.

Simple.

Sex sells.

6th

Seraphina wrote: »

well, its a question directed and ladies only for a start.

tLL is not purely for females. Yes it is directed at them but as a public forum anyone can view it and reply.

Seraphina

umm. i think everyone's just choosing to ignore my point, so forget it

i apologise for adding to the already countless number of posts about S & S, i feel so dirty!

Maximilian

I'm quite sure the OP's name (in this other thread) is a metaphor for something.

Something icky.

GuanYin

6th wrote: »

tLL is not purely for females. Yes it is directed at them but as a public forum anyone can view it and reply.

So is Paranormal, but that forum has rules in place to protect the interests of the core target audience of the forum.

Why shouldn't tLL be the same? Why shouldn't the core audience of that forum have a place to post free from harassment and innuendo? Because it would detract from your fun?


Regarding Seraphina's OP, I agree that its ridiculous to move a post to a place the OP cannot see or respond if the OP wasn't breaking any rules in posting it. She's being needlessly excluded.

Which brings me back to my point. Are we banning ALL sex talk from forums other than S&S or is it going to be pick and choose? Because if its the latter, then S&S really needs to be opened up to everyone.

6th

Harassment? I never said people could go in a post what they like. Each forum has a charter and as long as they follow that they can post - regardless of gender.

GuanYin

6th wrote: »

Harassment? I never said people could go in a post what they like. Each forum has a charter and as long as they follow that they can post - regardless of gender.

I'd argue that the signal (female) to noise (male) ratio in tLL is high as to make the forum just a slightly tilted version of AH.

6th

So what do you suggest?

Make it private and just for women (theres a forum lke that already)?

or

Set an amount of male posters you feel are appropriate to allow in?

Sherifu

You could always subscribe OP. I think it was the right call to move it.

6th

You dont need to subscribe to get access, ever tried just asking nicely?

Sherifu

6th wrote: »

You dont need to subscribe to get access, ever tried just asking nicely?

Well the sticky in Feedback is titled "Access to the Sex & Sexuality Forum is given to SMods, CMods, Mods and Subscribers". At the time I believe ecksor said he'd give access to anyone who proved they were over 18.

GuanYin

6th wrote: »

So what do you suggest?

Make it private and just for women (theres a forum lke that already)?

or

Set an amount of male posters you feel are appropriate to allow in?

I don't suggest anything. The mods there are more than capable of handling the forum the way they want. If they want AH-lite, great for them. I personally think it's a waste of something that could be a good resource.

Sangre

I should start making all of my posts full of sexual innuendo, reference and explicit descriptions. Get them all moved to S&S.

Speaking of which I'm making this post while suspended from a ceiling with two meat hooks in my back. A Japanese maid is dripping hot wax onto genitals and big bear is whipping with with a leather cat o'nine tails. Can anyone tell me how to get wax out of hair?

Rb

But the same women posting in TLL post in the BGRH forum...?

If there's an issue with males posting in TLL, make it private and boot them out, and do the same to every female poster with BGRH.

As said in the podcast, BGRH and TLL are pretty much sub-divisions of AH. If there's a problem with that, refer to the above.

Crash

I think the point isn't the idea of people having a lack of access to S&S, its people moving posts there. I really don't see the point of moving semi-advice style threads, like the above, into S&S instead of just locking it, its absolutely pointless.

Cuddlesworth

Is the issue with sexual threads not being allowed in forums other then S&S(in general)?

or

The fact that the thread was moved to a location where the op could not view or respond, instead of locking and removing any inappropriate material?

Overheal

Ill admit theres a lot of forums in PI that come up that should be moved.. but for the most part its all just young people asking the basics. Not everyone is lame enough to waste the butt of their 3v voucher on a subscription like me :cool:

Marksie

Overheal wrote: »

Ill admit theres a lot of forums in PI that come up that should be moved.. but for the most part its all just young people asking the basics. Not everyone is lame enough to waste the butt of their 3v voucher on a subscription like me :cool:

Its a judgement call in those cases Overheal.

where there is an issue e.g i cant climax, or dont last long enough that is probably suitable for PI.
Where its a "How to" or general discussion point it should be moved.

In this instance it would have been ok for PI i think.

Crash

When its a how to, surely it should be locked rather than moved. Whats the point of having an OP ask a question, and we continue discussing it in S&S where they can't get to it?

Jules

If i had gotten there first i would of moved it. Right decision in my opinion.

Marksie

çrash_000 wrote: »

When its a how to, surely it should be locked rather than moved. Whats the point of having an OP ask a question, and we continue discussing it in S&S where they can't get to it?

Well i was giving a quick example and its a judgment call on what the mod wants to do, either is fine IMO. It does depend on what the thread in question is about.

If its in S+S its a general discussion betwee those there really so could be a useful thread.

Jules wrote: »

If i had gotten there first i would of moved it. Right decision in my opinion.

I am not disagreeing actually, the OP could always repost in PI, and rephrase it slightly.

Jules

I never said you were disagreeing, just stating my opinion. Maybe one of the kind S&S mods would move it to PI, if they thought it was approapriate.

Overheal

Marksie wrote: »

Well i was giving a quick example and its a judgment call on what the mod wants to do, either is fine IMO. It does depend on what the thread in question is about.

If its in S+S its a general discussion betwee those there really so could be a useful thread.



I am not disagreeing actually, the OP could always repost in PI, and rephrase it slightly.

I hears ya: the difference between sex ed and the karma sutra :pac:

GrumPy

PSI wrote: »

Considering the content of other fora, I never really understood why S&S was locked to subscribers only.

It isn't as if the stuff there is any more X-rated than allegedly underage posters giving advice on BJ's in other fora (as was alleged in a AH thread).

I'd say open up S&S or have it access request soccer style or even have an I am over 18 pop up disclaimer.

+1

2 stroke

If its in S+S its a general discussion between those there really so could be a useful thread.

Are the users of S+S incapable of coming up with their own topics. It seems a very sad place if its dependant on TLL for good material. I support locking/deleting inappropriate threads but not removing someones sexual thoughts to a private forum.

Xavi6

PSI wrote: »

I don't suggest anything. The mods there are more than capable of handling the forum the way they want. If they want AH-lite, great for them. I personally think it's a waste of something that could be a good resource.

+1. I'll be the first to admit that I've made a couple of AH-esque posts in the forum because that's the tone of certain threads. I didn't think that's how the forum was going to be when it started.

GuanYin

I am the voice of reason.

Marksie

2 stroke wrote: »

Are the users of S+S incapable of coming up with their own topics. It seems a very sad place if its dependant on TLL for good material. I support locking/deleting inappropriate threads but not removing someones sexual thoughts to a private forum.

No this was moved by LL mods.

I would argue that somoenes sexual thoughts should be in a private forum f
designed for that purpose rather than letting AH muppets loose

Ponster

PSI wrote: »

I'd say open up S&S or have it access request soccer style or even have an I am over 18 pop up disclaimer.

+1

Otacon

Marksie wrote: »

No this was moved by LL mods.

I would argue that somoenes sexual thoughts should be in a private forum f
designed for that purpose rather than letting AH muppets loose

But if the person cannot then discuss these thoughts themselves, its a pointless exercise moving it, is it not? Deletion or moving to PI being the alternatives.

Wertz

I have to agree with Crash_000...moderators have no business moving threads to a forum where the OP has no access. Deleting the thread is unfair too (at least without a PM detailing why).
The obvious and logical solution is to lock the thread if it's deemed inapt for the forum and the mod doing the locking should post a conclussion, saying why it's been locked and what the OP can do to discuss their problem (subscribe, go to another site, etc.)...moving is unfair for the reasons outlined above...just because the person doing the moving has access to that forum, doesn't mean the poster has...

Oryx

If in this particular case (or any other similar case) the op had requested temporary access to s&s to follow their thread, how would that be looked at? Could that be a fix, rather than free access to all?

Shiminay

It's pretty simple...

If you wish to talk about topics related to sex and sexuality on this site, you need to post them on the S&S board. If you want access to the S&S board, you subscribe or you become a mod. If you don't fulfill these criteria, you can't post about S&S stuff on boards.ie.

There's nothing there that's difficult to understand. It's the same as any of the boards - want to talk soccer, the soccer board, want to talk Call of Duty 4, the COD board. Some of these boards have rules for posting and access too.

If people can't stick by these rules, let them feck off.

Maximilian

Kharn wrote: »

It's pretty simple...

If you wish to talk about topics related to sex and sexuality on this site, you need to post them on the S&S board. If you want access to the S&S board, you subscribe or you become a mod. If you don't fulfill these criteria, you can't post about S&S stuff on boards.ie.

There's nothing there that's difficult to understand. It's the same as any of the boards - want to talk soccer, the soccer board, want to talk Call of Duty 4, the COD board. Some of these boards have rules for posting and access too.

If people can't stick by these rules, let them feck off.

That's a fair point but if your COD4 thread on AH gets moved, it won't be to a forum to which you have no access.

Dragan

Wertz wrote: »

I have to agree with Crash_000...moderators have no business moving threads to a forum where the OP has no access.

Eh, of course we do. The Higher Ups has assigned S&S to be the place where such things are concerned.

They own this board.

We do what they rule.

Thats about it.

If a member is new or only around a short time then i think a PM to them explaining why it was moved and how to get access would be a nice idea though.

Maximilian wrote: »

That's a fair point but if your COD4 thread on AH gets moved, it won't be to a forum to which you have no access.

But if you want to post on boards you agree to go by the rules, one of which is that "sex" and other such dirty things are only discussed on the S&S board.

Personally i think people assume the S&S forum is some kind of skin house....it's probably one of the quietest forums on boards.

Maximilian

Dragan wrote: »

But if you want to post on boards you agree to go by the rules, one of which is that "sex" and other such dirty things are only discussed on the S&S board.

Personally i think people assume the S&S forum is some kind of skin house....it's probably one of the quietest forums on boards.

Sure, I'm well aware its one of the rules but that rule is precisely the matter under discussion no?

I agree with you - the S&S was a huge disappointment No boobies anywhere.

Oryx

Maximilian wrote: »

Sure, I'm well aware its one of the rules but that rule is precisely the matter under discussion no?

I agree with you - the S&S was a huge disappointment No boobies anywhere.

You mean youve not had your invite to the private boobie forum? Damn, how did you get left out?

Re: the rule... If that rule is the particular sticking point to opening up s&s, then I think it should remain closed. That rule exists (I would think) to sweep all the 'dirt' into one area, so to speak, so the innocent cannot see it. I think the mods do use their discretion to leave certain threads public, where the subject matter is in more of a grey area, such as when its a PI query. And you still get all sorts of bodily stuff discussed in other places, but not in such a direct and open way like in s&s.

Wertz

Dragan wrote: »

Eh, of course we do. The Higher Ups has assigned S&S to be the place where such things are concerned.

They own this board.

We do what they rule.

Thats about it.

If a member is new or only around a short time then i think a PM to them explaining why it was moved and how to get access would be a nice idea though.

If the thread is inappropriate for the forum it was posted in, lock it, with a post explaining why...it avoids lots of problems....feedback posts about "hey where's my thread?", the problem of people carrying on a thread where the OP can't even see it let alone contribute. Moving it to a private forum is unfair and unhelpful
It's all very well saying, SUBSCRIBE SUBSCRIBE...perhaps people are new or not overly active users, maybe they don't know that you can subscribe or see a reason for doing so, maybe they're skint or a schoolkid with no paypal account...coming in with the "I'm a mod I can do what I like" attitude isn't helpful in this situation. A little leeway makes life easier for everyone. If an admin or an owner would like to move the thread, bin it, make sweet love to it, then that's their perogative...not a moderator's (IMO).

Dragan

Wertz wrote: »

...coming in with the "I'm a mod I can do what I like" attitude isn't helpful in this situation. A little leeway makes life easier for everyone. If an admin or an owner would like to move the thread, bin it, make sweet love to it, then that's their perogative...not a moderator's (IMO).

I'm not too sure how you got that from post?

I basically said the Admins and such have decided things and we enforce them. That is kind of our job as Moderators no?

Amins simply do not have the time to check all the forums and the reported posts that pile up each day.

Also i disagree with the locking of a thread in the wrong forum when it could lead to some interesting discussion in the right forum.

I was also suggesting the idea of a PM in all cases where a thread is moved explaining the situation.

Damn me and my "I can do what i want attitude!":D

Crash

The admins have never stated "all sexual content should be moved to S&S" - they have simply said thats where its place is.

Its silly and stupid to move threads to a private forum - I don't see how anyone can disagree with this. Ok, if its a general "blah blah" thread i am against it but could care less, but if its a case of a poster asking a question, a lock and a "all sexual content can only be posted on the S&S forum - see here as to how to access" is the ONLY correct way to deal with it IMO, for two reasons:

1)its unhelpful to the initial poster - they have no idea they broke a rule.
and
2)its useless for the S&S forum - those threads never get posted upon.

GuanYin

So we are in agreement.

Bring Windsock to the Wickerman and let the festivities begin.....

Wertz

Dragan wrote: »

I'm not too sure how you got that from post?

I basically said the Admins and such have decided things and we enforce them. That is kind of our job as Moderators no?

Amins simply do not have the time to check all the forums and the reported posts that pile up each day.

Also i disagree with the locking of a thread in the wrong forum when it could lead to some interesting discussion in the right forum.

I was also suggesting the idea of a PM in all cases where a thread is moved explaining the situation.

Damn me and my "I can do what i want attitude!":D

I didn't really get it from your post and I'm not really arguing with you or your post.
I know what a moderator is and does (I was a mod on another forum many moons ago) and I know that admins and owners have neither the time nor inclination to scan countless boards looking for that one elusive post that breaks the rules and that that's why they appoint mods to do their bidding.
However I'd be surprised if the admins/owners in this case would think it was the done thing to just simply uproot a discussion and plank it down in a private forum because of sexual content. A moderator should facillitate the users of a forum by keeping the place flowing, intruding as little as possible and keeping the bad stuff at bay...by denying the right of someone to reply to their own thread by locking it away from their access doesn't facilitate anyone, and in fact makes things more difficult.
In this instance it's a girl with a tentative question who's asking it where she thinks is apt...suddenly the thread is nowhere to be found and she finds out that it's in a private forum but still being posted upon; she'd have every right to be a bit upset and perhaps paranoid at the notion that her business is up for discussion, just not by her...unless she hands over the cash :pac: .

It's all very well PMing a poster to tell them why their thread was moved to a private part of the site...they still can't see it, but yet the thread carries on.
Locking it kills the thread, sure, but it remains open to being read and the OP after having the situation explained, then has the option of subscribing and posting in the S&S forum.

When you click submit, the rights to what you've posted to these forums becomes the property of the owners, as far as I undertsand it...that gives them the right to do as they see fit (and their mods by proxy). Far be it from me to tell them how to run their site but playing ball with posters in special cases like this is a way to improve the end experiences of potential subscribers, rather than seemingly trying to goad them into paying the man...

Shiminay

S&S being a private board has nothing to do with it - the rules of this site are that if you want to talk about such thing, that's the place to do it. If you haven't got access, it can be arranged - all the information is there. I'd suggest modifying the "access denied" page for S&S to explain how to get access if it's not too dirty a hack in the code.

If people post off-topic on a forum, they should have their thread moved to the correct place and tbh, tough titties on them if they can't access the board. These are the site rules. This is the agreement you make with the owners for the privelege of being a part of this community.

Where is the difficulty here?