Final olympic qualification Tournament

dbrady01

Final qualification Tournament starts today with 2 irish lads boxing later sutherland and McLoughlin. Does anyone see ireland adding to barnes and nevin. personaly i can only see egan and maybe sutherland makeing it with outside chances for jj joyce and perhaps hickey. All weights must reach the final with the exception of welter and middle which has a place for a bronze finish.

Best of luck to all the lads in athens

walshb

http://www.iaba.ie/boxing/Main/News_1April08_Olympic_Qualifiers.htm

Interesting to see Cuba still two short of full compliment. Russia are one short and the US
are three short. Let's hope all three countries have 11 entries each. It wouldn't be the Olympics without these three power houses in full force....

sligobhoy67

here is the entry list - http://www.aiba.org/documents/site1/Olympics/Qualifying%20Events/Europe%202/LIST%20OF%20ALL%20BOXERS.pdf

Unusually for the AIBA site they havent got the drawsheet up yet?

sligobhoy67

dbrady01 wrote: »

Final qualification Tournament starts today with 2 irish lads boxing later sutherland and McLoughlin. Does anyone see ireland adding to barnes and nevin. personaly i can only see egan and maybe sutherland makeing it with outside chances for jj joyce and perhaps hickey. All weights must reach the final with the exception of welter and middle which has a place for a bronze finish.

Best of luck to all the lads in athens

bantams have three spots as well

03mcgs0

Sligoboy,

Only Sutherland and Egan have a real chance of getting through, than again maybe Dermot Ahern and Cathal Mc Monagle have a chance, but apart from those I cant see any of them reaching the finals. I hope I'm wrong in what I'm saying but im trying to be realistic. Best of luck to all the lads.

Egan should get through, he's got all the talent but seems to get nervous or something on the big stage, but anyway best of luck to him, I'll be shouting them all on.... from my desk at work!!!!!!!!

walshb

http://www.aiba.org/documents/site1/Olympics/Qualifying%20Events/Europe%202/C74E02.pdf

http://www.aiba.org/documents/site1/Olympics/Qualifying%20Events/Europe%202/C74E01.pdf

Sutherland and Ahern through...

McLoughlin beaten in the 69kg division.

I thought Sheehan was our representative????

According to the entry sheet below, Sheehan is listed as our
69kg fighter...

http://www.aiba.org/documents/site1/Olympics/Qualifying%20Events/Europe%202/LIST%20OF%20ALL%20BOXERS.pdf

Fighting today are Joyce 57kg, Hickey 60kg, Egan 81kg, Sheehan 91kg, John Joe Joyce 64kg,
Sutherland 75kg and McMonagle 91+kg

Joyce 57kg wins by 30-10....

John Joe Joyce thru as well, 18-8 win for him

sligobhoy67

03mcgs0 wrote: »

Sligoboy,

Only Sutherland and Egan have a real chance of getting through, than again maybe Dermot Ahern and Cathal Mc Monagle have a chance, but apart from those I cant see any of them reaching the finals. I hope I'm wrong in what I'm saying but im trying to be realistic. Best of luck to all the lads.

Egan should get through, he's got all the talent but seems to get nervous or something on the big stage, but anyway best of luck to him, I'll be shouting them all on.... from my desk at work!!!!!!!!

wouldnt disagree with that mate, but who foresaw Barnes qualifying in Chicago

HollowMan

What happened Con Sheehan, the young havyweight from Tipp? Wasn't he in Pescara?

Presume he was beaten in the box-off?

I reckon Sutherland will do it this time for definite and go on to do really well in the pro's, he's such a mouthpiec and a hard hitter which will mean that he'll be a household name in this country in 18 months in my opinion...

Are there any other up and coming amateurs who look like pro's in the making?

walshb

HollowMan wrote: »

What happened Con Sheehan, the young havyweight from Tipp? Wasn't he in Pescara?

Presume he was beaten in the box-off?

I reckon Sutherland will do it this time for definite and go on to do really well in the pro's, he's such a mouthpiec and a hard hitter which will mean that he'll be a household name in this country in 18 months in my opinion...

Are there any other up and coming amateurs who look like pro's in the making?

Con Sheehan is listed to fight in this qualifying tournament. He won the Seniors 6-3 over Tom Sheehan and then lost to Tom 8-6 in the box offs

dbrady01

walshb wrote: »

Con Sheehan is listed to fight in this qualifying tournament. He won the Seniors 8-6 over Tom Sheehan and then lost to Tom by the same score line in the box offs

I think con is one for the future i think ireland have a very good crop of young boxers coming tru and imop we will have to wait till london 2012 to win any medals

walshb

We've 5 boxers left in the tournament after Hickey and Sheehan were beaten in their 60kg and 91kg bouts repsectively. I'm all confused regarding the reporting and scheduling
of this qualifier. RTE says Tom Sheehan bowed out in the 91kg category, yet it's Con Sheehan who is listed on the AIBA website as the 91kg boxer representing Ireland.

Earlier I commented on Roy Sheehan at 69kg who is listed as Ireland's boxer in thgis weight, yet it was McLouglin who was beaten in this weight:rolleyes:

dbrady01

roy never recovered from the hand injury he picked up in italy AFAIK

MBC

IABA.ie has Tom Sheehan.

Seems Conor Ahern picked up a bad cut in his win on Monday........hopefully he can pass the medical for his next bout.
http://www.ababoxing.com/news.php?readmore=149

dbrady01

MBC wrote: »

IABA.ie has Tom Sheehan.

Seems Conor Ahern picked up a bad cut in his win on Monday........hopefully he can pass the medical for his next bout.

hopefully cause he has a good shout

he was awesome in the box offs last month and would have won the seniors if he didnt have to pull out due to vertigo

MBC

Ahern is out, but Sutherland and JJ Joyce are through the semi's. rte.ie

Dodge

3 lads through to semis. Egan joined Sutherland and JJ Joyce from earlier in the day.

All are one win from the Olympics. If Sutherland loses he'll have a box off for the last Olympic place

MBC

Yeah the 3 of them are in tomorrow...........fingers crossed........they all have great chances.

Dodge

Egan fights a German who he has beaten before. Himself and Sutherland definitely have great chances now.

walshb

The IABA are to appeal the verdict in the 57kg bout featuring David Oliver Joyce. He was beaten 19-17...

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2008/0409/boxing.html

Dodge

All 3 semis will be tomorrow

Egan v Gottlieb Wess (Germany) - ABA european rankings have Egan in 4th and Wess in 20th. Egan has beaten him before. Wess lost to a Chinese fighter in the Worlds at a stage before Egan exited. He didn't fight in Pescara

Sutherland v Victor Cotiujanschii (Moldova) - Cotiujanschii lost in the first round of the worls to eventual medalist from Ukraine. In pescara he lost to a Hungarian fighter (who lost in the next round to James de Gale, Sutherland's conqueror). Considering how close Sutherland got to beating de gale, he's definitely in witha shout here. Won't be easy though

Joyce v Sipahi Harun (Germany) - harun didn't fight in Chicago or pescara. martin Dressen represented germany and looked to be a similar level to Joyce (based on results)

alanceltic

Thanx for the updates, seems like the 3 lads left have an excellent chance of going through, fingers crossed, 5 qualifiers would be a remarkable achievement (even 4) and an endorsement of the fundings by the IOC over the last 4 years. Although I would be surprised if David oliver Joyce won his appeal, hes one boxer i felt always underachieved on the international scene for some reason

HollowMan

So it looks like the big man from Neilstown is the banker?

Dodge

HollowMan wrote: »

So it looks like the big man from Neilstown is the banker?

Wouldn't say that. He beat the guy, but it was in Dublin. Sutherland beat de Gale in Dublin but lost in Pescara.

walshb

alanceltic wrote: »

Thanx for the updates, seems like the 3 lads left have an excellent chance of going through, fingers crossed, 5 qualifiers would be a remarkable achievement (even 4) and an endorsement of the fundings by the IOC over the last 4 years. Although I would be surprised if David oliver Joyce won his appeal, hes one boxer i felt always underachieved on the international scene for some reason

He's a fine fine boxer and talent. It just goes to show how tough the international scene and Olympic qualifiers are. Joyce is one of, if not the best bantam/feathers we've had over a long number of years. He's simply meeting slightly greater fighters at certain stages in the qualifiers. It's crazy to think that the guy beating you is potentially the future Olympic champ and you may have only barely lost to him

MBC

Anyone know what time they are due in the ring at??? it says on the AIBA website 2pm........greece are 2 hours in front so its 4.45 over there.

MBC

One in 2 to go..............JJ Joyce wins 27-12.:)

sligobhoy67

MBC wrote: »

One in 2 to go..............JJ Joyce wins 27-12.:)

get foooooooking in!! great news!

alanceltic

All 3 lads are thru, Sutherland & Egan also won (dont know by what score). We have 5 qualified which is a super achievement, congrats to the lads and their coaches as this gives us a super chance of medaling in China.

HollowMan

All three qualified!!!

Joyce, Sutherland and, at long last, Egan!!

So that's two travellers who will represent us in Beijing (JJ Joyce and JJ Nevin, incidentally both from Mullingar where the Joyces and Nevins are involved in a well publicised feud) and a mixed race fighter (Darren Sutherland), along with a tiny fella from Belfast (Paddy Barnes) and a hardy oul Dub from Neilstown (Kenny Egan)!

Talk about diversity!

I honestly think we'll get a medal now.I have been a critic of the High Performance Unit but it's come up trumps now.

sligobhoy67

HollowMan wrote: »

All three qualified!!!

Joyce, Sutherland and, at long last, Egan!!

So that's two travellers who will represent us in Beijing (JJ Joyce and JJ Nevin, incidentally both from Mullingar where the Joyces and Nevins are involved in a well publicised feud) and a mixed race fighter (Darren Sutherland), along with a tiny fella from Belfast (Paddy Barnes) and a hardy oul Dub from Neilstown (Kenny Egan)!

Talk about diversity!

I honestly think we'll get a medal now.I have been a critic of the High Performance Unit but it's come up trumps now.

not so sure about that - these guys qualified in the last chance saloon. Missed out at Chicago (with no Cubans there!!!), missed out in Italy and got it in Greece.

Well done lads but lets not get carried away

03mcgs0

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

not so sure about that - these guys qualified in the last chance saloon. Missed out at Chicago (with no Cubans there!!!), missed out in Italy and got it in Greece.

Well done lads but lets not get carried away

Yes Sligobhoy your very much right there and from all the posts i've read of urs you seem to know ur boxin very much, however its hard not to get a little carried away especially with 5 boxers now at the olympics, you cant get a lucky draw but you can get a favourable draw i reckon.

Anyway it a good note to start for a brilliant weekend of boxing,
tonight 1) prizefighter.....
tomorrow 2) hopefully 3 gold medals....
then 3) Dunne but the real man I'm lookin at is Murray, he's the main headline act for me....
than 4) woods vs tarver, so thats a cracking weekend, so we'll all be looking forward....

Big Ears

I don't think we're going to get a medal from Beijing but 5 qualified boxers is a great achievement for Ireland and certainly beyond expectations .

03mcgs0

Big Ears wrote: »

I don't think we're going to get a medal from Bejing but 5 qualified boxers is a great achievement for Ireland and certainly beyond expectations .

You see big ears i dont think it is, the standard of irish boxing has gone up the last few years and we should expect this number of qualifiers, although Barns, Nevin and Joyce were not expected to get through compared to others. The IABA get a substancial amount of Irish Sports Council and have got a very professional set up in the high performance there in the IABA. Egan and Sutherland should have qualified a long time ago, added to that Roy Sheehan I reckon would have qualified if he didn't have the hand injury. David Oliver Joyce was very unlucky also. So we have got to start aiming higher, obviously not be unrealistic and expect all boxers to win medals but they have a chance now that they have qualified. Well done to all of them

Big Ears

03mcgs0 wrote: »

You see big ears i dont think it is, the standard of irish boxing has gone up the last few years and we should expect this number of qualifiers, although Barns, Nevin and Joyce were not expected to get through compared to others. The IABA get a substancial amount of Irish Sports Council and have got a very professional set up in the high performance there in the IABA. Egan and Sutherland should have qualified a long time ago, added to that Roy Sheehan I reckon would have qualified if he didn't have the hand injury. David Oliver Joyce was very unlucky also. So we have got to start aiming higher, obviously not be unrealistic and expect all boxers to win medals but they have a chance now that they have qualified. Well done to all of them

Obviously you have to make high(but realistic) ambitions and set about ways to achieve this , which is what the high performance programme has helped do .

In 2004 all we had was Andy Lee , now we have 5 boxers . Although none of those probably have as good a chance at a medal as Andy had .

At the start of this last qualifiers we had 2 qualified , I don't think any of us expected to get more than 5 qualifiers , so at the very least we have achieved expectations and certainly wouldn't have expected more than this .

Now it's a matter of these boxers placing as best possible and maintaining a high number in the next Olympics aswell as success in World and European Championships .

efb

Well done lads, delighted for them, especially Kenny.

cowzerp

I dont think the standard is any higher, this year was the worst standard seniors i've seen in years! but fair play to them all, the standard is always high in ireland in fairness..

sligobhoy67

cowzerp wrote: »

I dont think the standard is any higher, this year was the worst standard seniors i've seen in years! but fair play to them all, the standard is always high in ireland in fairness..

Couldnt argue with that - limited strength and depth in the game.

Like Michael Carruth said - there was more entries in his weight division the year he won the senior then in all the weight divisions put together this year - well he said something like that anyway

fatgav

all three of the lads won today. can't argue with results. great to see the sport picking up on the amateur side after the pro revival in ireland in recent years. should be the first time that boxing gets proper olympic attention since barcelona, barrett in 96 and lee aside

HollowMan

Very, very interesting point by Carruth there...

I have a feeling Nevin will be the one for the medal, he's the most elusive Irish fighter I've seen and, at 18, is on the up and will have improved ny the time Beijing comes round.

Interstingly, Nevina nd Joyce are both from Mullinagr but box out of Cavan and Athy respectively. Anyone ever hear of the aggro between the Nevins and Joyces in Mullingar? It's mental stuff...

Imagine if it kicked off in the Far East!!!:D

Dodge

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

not so sure about that - these guys qualified in the last chance saloon. Missed out at Chicago (with no Cubans there!!!), missed out in Italy and got it in Greece.

Sutherland was beaten by silver medallist in Chicago, and by a point by a fighter he's beaten before in pescara.

Egan was unlucky in previous tournaments too.

If all 5 five fighters are at the top of their game in Beijing and avoid the inevitably strong Russians and Cubans its far from impossible for them to medal.

alanceltic

cowzerp wrote: »

I dont think the standard is any higher, this year was the worst standard seniors i've seen in years! but fair play to them all, the standard is always high in ireland in fairness..

I Think thats a tad bit harsh on the lads that won, there was an awlful lot of one sided contests but you cant criticise the boxers who won out as you can only beat whats put in front of you.

As for medalling in China, its ALL ABOUT THE DRAW, sometimes the harder work can be in qualifying, strange but true

walshb

It may, at times, seem that the standard is dropping, or not as good when looking from outside the ring, but as Billy Walsh Senior found out a number of years ago, when he said the championships were poor, and he then went into them the following year and was thoroughly whupped. I was glad he was whupped because he was critical of the standard and felt that he would beat any of them. He got in, and then and found out it wasn't the case.
Paul is correct, the standard in Irish Senior boxing, is in fairness, always high....

Nobody mentioned that all three lads won GOLD in Athens....

megadodge

Just to add in my congratulations to all 5 Irish boxers who qualified.
Great achievment and as someone said with a good draw, who knows ?

walshb

IMO, there is no such thing as a good draw. The standard is so high and only the elite qualify. Olympic boxing is the most competitive sport on the planet and no matter what the draw, every bout will be closely fought....

MBC

Well it depends walshb........like obviously the cubans, russians & americans are the strongest nations but in each weight ya have various other countries that have v.good boxers.........the oceanic region would be the weakest imo so to draw one of them 1st would be nice but obviously like ya said after that its very tough.

Really hope the lads do well its a great feat for irish boxing.........the last 2 olympics we have only had 1 boxer in each.......so 5 is a big achievement.

sligobhoy67

walshb wrote: »

It may, at times, seem that the standard is dropping, or not as good when looking from outside the ring, but as Billy Walsh Senior found out a number of years ago, when he said the championships were poor, and he then went into them the following year and was thoroughly whupped. I was glad he was whupped because he was critical of the standard and felt that he would beat any of them. He got in, and then and found out it wasn't the case.
Paul is correct, the standard in Irish Senior boxing, is in fairness, always high....

Nobody mentioned that all three lads won GOLD in Athens....

no one is slaggin them, quite the opposite infact.

However, I am sure you would agree that if they got gold in Chicgo or even in Italy then I would be more confident.

I do fancy Frankie Gavin and Joe Murray in the British team (both 2nd gen Paddies - so we can cheer them also!)

cowzerp

alanceltic wrote: »

I Think thats a tad bit harsh on the lads that won, there was an awlful lot of one sided contests but you cant criticise the boxers who won out as you can only beat whats put in front of you.

As for medalling in China, its ALL ABOUT THE DRAW, sometimes the harder work can be in qualifying, strange but true

I was talking about the senior all irelands, the lads who qualified for the olympics are great and im very proud of them, the olympics is the biggest event in boxing bar none! foreman says it meant more to him than the world title and evander was broken hearted that he was robbed of his chance to win by dodgy refereeing!

megadodge

evander was broken hearted that he was robbed of his chance to win by dodgy refereeing

He knocked out his opponent after the bell !
That's a straightforward disqualification.
His fault not the ref's.

cowzerp

megadodge wrote: »

He knocked out his opponent after the bell !
That's a straightforward disqualification.
His fault not the ref's.

Yeah and its well documented that the bell was very quiet and was not heard by the majority of people there, If your disqualified you get no medal, the olympic commitee awarded him the bronze as it was the big story of the olympics how he was robbed of his chance of gold.

walshb

Guys, I have the fight on VHS at home and Holyfield was DQ'd because he failed to break (when asked by the referee clearly and audibly). He knocked Kevin Barry out after the break/STOP command, and it was a clear foul. Whether or not Holy intended it, or was simply oblivious to the command and was in the zone, who knows but him. However, the ref was left with little choice but to disqualify him.

"The following year, he was the National Golden Gloves Champion, and won a bronze medal in the 1984 Summer Olympic Games in Los Angeles, California after a controversial disqualification in the second round of the semi-final against New Zealand's Kevin Barry. Referee Gligorije Novicic later apologized, admitting to being out of position when he called for the fighters to "break" and stop punching. Holyfield did not hear the call, and threw a punch, which knocked his opponent down. When he was unable to recover, Holyfield was disqualified. In a highly unusual concession, a tearful Holyfield was awarded the bronze medal."

ref:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evander_Holyfield

jayroyal

well done to the lads great for the Country and the high performance, we probably have six boxers that could of quailfy cause darren o neill is defo good enough going on international results, but hey i suppose the cubans and russian's could have 30 each each sayin that.