€3 Tuesdays No More

Darz0re

€3 Tuesdays No More

That's right. Anyone who got the all-student mail just now will be well aware of the details, but we have been told by the university that €3 Tuesdays have been suspended, effective immediately.

We were not part of this decision-making process, the opinions of Hub Management Committee, which I and members of the SPC and SCC sit on, has been essentially ignored and over-ruled, and the student body have not been warned in advance.

We're pursuing this issue with reckless abandon but the fact is it won't be sorted by tomorrow night. Your thoughts and opinions on this can make a difference (we can bring them to the university) so please make yourselves heard.

To reiterate, there will be NO €3 Tuesday this week or for the future, so what do you think?

post on life, there shall be war

http://life.dcu.ie/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1441

Will

The sh!t has finally hit the fan!
Boycott the bar? its privately owned isnt it? so they'd be forced to shut it. No great loss i think.
3euro tuesdays were the best thing of the week!!

Amz

I've only ever been in the bar on Tuesdays, I've no interest in going any other time as the pints aren't great and are the same price as elsewhere.

A boycott of the bar could work, but only if people actually took part in it. People will just go to the bar through laziness (let's face it we're students, a lot of us are lazy!) or to go against the grain.

dregin

Isn't the slipper planning a €3 night?

:|

3 euro tuesdays were one of the best things about DCU, seems like with this, the old bar being closed and the student activites officer fiasco the social side of DCU is dying a quick death. I wish I could access life, I want to rant some more.

If the slipper is planning a €3 night it could be a big success now.

Amz

dregin wrote: »

Isn't the slipper planning a €3 night?

O RLY?

It would mean I wouldn't have to rely on other smelly students to sign me in too.

Winters

The only thing that "nuBar" had going for it was the fact that one night a week drink would be served at a student friendly price. Besides that it is a shit standard, below par up its own arse place with nothing for it. More craic would be had in the slipper if they had students night. I don't think you could find a single person (Who doesn't fail hard) who actually liked the nuBar. Only thing that made it tolerable was one night a week where it was cheap and you knew people there.

To the Slipper! Or even, to EuroSpar's offie!

c0rk3r

So anyone know the real reason the offer was suspended, effective immediately ?

€3 drinks encouraged binge drinking and violent behaviour ?
Nubar wasnt making any money out of the night ?

Personally never been out on a tuesday night. I mean... its a tuesday. This will probably just build more bitterness and resentment towards dcu as a whole and again highlight the dire social scene thats non existent. /shrug i never know whats going on in the place anyway.

thomaskearns

This is a bloody disgrace!! I am a huge fan of DCU and it would be brutal for such a good night to die like this. I dont know if there is anyone on this that has this info but what is the deal with the lease on the old bar? is it an annual lease?? and how much is it around? it is such a waste, the old bar is so much better than the new one. i know of several people who would be interested in gettin a lease like that for a college bar if the price wasnt outragous... if anyone has this info please let me know as soon as you can.. this has to be saved!

gizmo

c0rk3r wrote: »

Nubar wasnt making any money out of the night ?

That's the one.

It's the same case as last year really. When I talked to the folks in the Old Bar last year I was pretty much told the same. The bar needs to be busy other nights of the week in order to subsidise the loss they make on the €3 Tuesdays however since the place is dead nearly every other night of the week it became unsustainable.

c0rk3r

So the Nubar is on a steady death just like the oldbar. I dont see why a private business would consult a student opinion committee on the matter. The bar is losing money and has to scrap this deal as a result. Simple. What can be done to counter this decline in business ? I dont know. If you have any ideas forward them to the nubar management. I dont see were the outrage comes from.

Mad_Max

I Don't know much about the bar itself but I'm not entirely sure how much of the money argument i buy.

Having worked an order list for a pub i've seen what they actually pay for a pint compared to what they charge. they still make money on 3 euro.

Not a business head and dont know if they have to pay a lease or rent or something on the premises but i'd personally think theres something more to do with it.

TriSpace run it don't they?? I'd be more inclined to think that they reckon students will just go in anyway out of convinience.

sunnyjim

I'm with Max, money can still be made.

As an aside, why don't they sell cans instead of pints? Less infrastructure required, no class cleaning, faster to sell, less staff required.

As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure people would buy cans at 2 euro a bop. Hell, even at 1.50 a can, at wholesale prices, thats 50c+ a can!

Plenty would be sold...

Amz

They sell cans in the Pav in Trinity don't they?

dregin

6 for €7 Tuesday it is from now on. We should just go park ourselves in von netscapes front garden with tins.

Grudaire

Amz wrote: »

I've only ever been in the bar on Tuesdays, I've no interest in going any other time as the pints aren't great and are the same price as elsewhere.

Try the Guiness, nearly got sick.

The nubar had nothing going for it except tuesdays- I'd say if they did 3.50Euro tuesdays they'd still get the business...

Mad_Max

Cans would actually work out the same if not maybe a touch more than pints!

Amz

Cliste wrote: »

Try the Guiness, nearly got sick.

Not even if they were giving it out for free!

The nubar had nothing going for it except tuesdays- I'd say if they did 3.50Euro tuesdays they'd still get the business...

Aye very possibly. I didn't join the bar this year because the only time I'd go is a Tuesday and even then, only if I knew people going who could sign me in.

:|

Mad_Max wrote: »

Having worked an order list for a pub i've seen what they actually pay for a pint compared to what they charge. they still make money on 3 euro.
.

I don't work in a pub but I always assumed this was the case. They should have increased it to €3.50 or even 4 before just canceling it altogether.

And yep they sell cans in trinity as well as one of the bars in UCD, I think it's a great idea too.

Mad_Max

Do we know what they are doing with it at all?

Maybe drinks will only be 4euro or something along those lines.

carlowboy

Mad_Max wrote: »

Do we know what they are doing with it at all?

Maybe drinks will only be 4euro or something along those lines.

4 euro drinks????? People wouldn't buy into that. I know I won't anyway. 3 euro is about as much of a special offer you can go.

StickyMcGinty

the "how can the bar make money" argument has already been done to death

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055149324

right, just of the top of my head, how about having a look at The Pav in trinity.....

The DCU bar buys cans of beer in bulk at wholesale prices, serves them over the bar to students for a fixed price, which obviously is going to be much lower than the price of a pint. Make sure the profit margins cover wages and the other various costs associated with running a bar. Another benefit would be that there would be practically no queues at the bar, therefore less staff would be required to be working at one time, thus saving money.

Now some students would miss beer on tap, right? No chance. The beer on tap at the bar is muck anyway, and bottles are too expensive. Operate the same marketing campaigns as an off licence does - offer specials, promo's etc.

now i know there are disadvantages to this idea too, such as people trying to bring in their own cans.... but even if some people manage to slip into the bar with their own beer there'll be customers coming through the door which will in turn create a better atmosphere in the bar..... which will attract more customers.

just an idea anyway

i mentioned the same idea on here last october to deaf ears too.

no matter how importunate students are we'll never have any power in DCU.

sunnyjim

Whats the point in a Students Union if it has no power?!

Buy the bar - it will be the strongest move made by the DCU SU in years!

Mad_Max

carlowboy wrote: »

4 euro drinks????? People wouldn't buy into that. I know I won't anyway. 3 euro is about as much of a special offer you can go.

I only said that because someone had said they shud try 3.50 or 4 euro drinks before scraping the idea altogether.

You don't want to know what i think of people who run bars. Suffice to say i think drink should be cheaper at all times.

StickyMcGinty

sunnyjim wrote: »

Whats the point in a Students Union if it has no power?!

i've been asking myself that question for years.

do a search of your gmail for all emails recieved from *@dcusu.ie to see what major things they've "achieved".

c0rk3r

Drinking cans in a bar is tacky and cheap.

4) Finally, and perhaps inevitably, the Bar. The SU should take over the tender of the Old Bar and hire a manager to run it for the students. We all loved it and miss it. It’s time to bring it back.

At the beginning of the year why not pay the 15euro (or whatever it is now) membership for the oldbar instead of the nubar. Have fosters or something muck at a constant price of €4 throughout the year. If its run by the Student union then it doesnt need to make a profit just break even. Charge the bare minimum. But can the union do it? Dum dum dum

Amz

I really can't see that ever happening in DCU. There's no such thing as student power in the university.

The university couldn't give a toss about us having bar facilities, really it's biggest inconvenience to them on campus.

The SU aren't active, organised or powerful enough to ever implement the acquisition of and running of a bar.

StickyMcGinty

c0rk3r wrote: »

Drinking cans in a bar is tacky and cheap.

maybe, but its viable.

better than no bar at all to be honest.

sunnyjim

c0rkor, you mention cans being tacky and cheap... Yet you suggest Fosters?!

BTW, no-one will pay €4 for a Fosters. It's 3 euro everywhere else.

If the SU can't organise to take over a room and sell cans from behind a counter, then why the **** is there a Students Union? **** me, they organised a tuck shop, so why not change the products from ****ty sweets to cans?

Mad_Max

sunnyjim wrote: »

c0rkor, you mention cans being tacky and cheap... Yet you suggest Fosters?!

BTW, no-one will pay €4 for a Fosters. It's 3 euro everywhere else.

If the SU can't organise to take over a room and sell cans from behind a counter, then why the **** is there a Students Union? **** me, they organised a tuck shop, so why not change the products from ****ty sweets to cans?

I assume there was some tongue in cheek there as there would be obvious technicalities such as regaining a liqour license. Im dont know how these decisions get made but from what i've been told from people in bar trade is that licenses are harder to get these days especially if there would be objections from the local residents.

Amz

Well there are licensing issues regarding a pub. Also contractual issues with whoever owns the bars in the Hub etc.

A tuck shop that ran for a couple of weeks is slightly different and less technical.

sunnyjim

Yeah, slightly simplistic on my part.

The license is still there for a members bar, no? Or does DCU have to fight for renewal annually?

Art_Wolf

Well it has to renew it annually.. I havnt heard of residents complaining this year though so maybe it wont be such a strugal this time around?

Mad_Max

Licenses need to be renewed. I believe its on an annual basis but could be wrong, there may be circumstances where a longer license is obtained.

TBH I would see any attempt at a SU run bar blocked by local residents. With the exact fear of cost price (or close to it ) beer for students! They have already complained quite a lot about noise from a poorly attended bar.

dregin

lol tacky and cheap. Who the **** are we trying to impress?

FedFrank2

Jesus what is DCU comin to at all, glad i graduated last year tbh. Closing the old bar was one thing but if the nu bar cancels 3 euro tuesday for good you might as well say bye bye college social life.

the old bar was good for the poker etc, playin pool with a couple of pints, general craic. the nubar never had anything going for it, trying to be far too upmarket and failing miserably. I'm not sure what it's like this year, but I imagine it hasnt changed much.

With both bars potentially closing, what's going to attract future students? I know im expecting to hear say people come to study and for the education but social life is obviously a major major part. Could you imagine UCD without any bars for instance, or any other colleges?

Art_Wolf

I am surprised they never thought to simply rent out the space out in the old bar, close the bar and rent it to clubs/socs/students wanting to run their own events.. space is at a premium and they dont seem to want to make much use out of that

Defenestrate

What an utterly ridiculous situation. DCU is being ridiculously stingy considering all the income they must get from fees, grants & renting out of space and facilities. :mad:

All I can think of is some kind of theme night 1 day a week or something like that to make that one day a focal point. Otherwise, the bar is never gonna get busy.

Interesting about the Slipper though, the bus stop into town is only across the road from there.

Mad_Max

All well and good saying put a theme night on once a week and all that. DCU is notoriously apatethic and turnouts would dwindle after a short period. That was the problem with the old bar.

Winters

c0rk3r wrote: »

Drinking cans in a bar is tacky and cheap.

What the flying fúck? Just get the fúck out. You honestly think that students give a shít about that? They want something cheap and tbh, selling cans instead of those shít infested taps for 2.50 or 3 euro would be far a better idea. Trinity would be regarded as a snobbier college than DCU yet nobody in there seems to mind having cans in the Pav for sale, they infact love and encourage it.

There are many ways they can still have cheap drinks and make money. Providing promotions on certain drinks they can make profit on, selling cans as opposed to muck pints and bottles.

The bigger problem being the fact that the bar does not appeal in any way to students in dcu like other bars do to other campuses. There is a large catchment of students but nobody uses the place. I have no doubt this is something to do with it being a tacky looking failure attempt at some sort of "trendy" bar. Whatever cúnt decided that closing the fantastic oldbar was a good idea should be shot. The place, no doubt, needed a lick of paint and some things changed to it but that was always where students enjoyed drinking. I do remember enough times (near daily) in first year scraping money together for a couple of pints during the day.

What happened to students doing that?

rugbug86

Winters wrote: »

Whatever cúnt decided that closing the fantastic oldbar was a good idea should be shot.

Lollers

I don't think it was that simple tbh. I've read the minutes of meetings and whatnot. It was the HMC as a whole as a pose to a single student rep on said committee.

I do agree that the old bar needs to be reopened.

And @ Art_wolf: the bar is available to rent if clubs and socs want, but the staff just aren't the same

Grudaire

Don't hold me to this but there was talk of three Euro tuesday's in the slipper no?

Spuca

c0rk3r wrote: »

Drinking cans in a bar is tacky and cheap.

We're students........

ya posh git.

c0rk3r

You dont have to be posh to have some class. Yes cans work in the pav doesnt mean to say it isnt a shit hole.

Lets just get down to what people dont want to hear. The oldbar died due to poor sales. The Nubar is going down the same path. Isnt this an indication that the students of dcu, by enlarge dont want a pub on campus ?

Start selling smoothies instead at least they seem to be a success on campus. Students deciding on healthy living ? or more likely using off licences and drugs

opinionated

I think it's funny the amount of attention this gets...I think the issue really is "Why don't people use the bar in the first place?"...I was in Sligo and their student bar was packed without any offer, in ucd - same thing...Why don't DCU students use the bar on normal nights? Solve that and 3 euro tuesdays will be back...

Amz

There's little or no atmosphere in the bar, it doesn't feel like a place you went to spend much time and a bar should be. It should be somwhere you can park yourself for a few hours and know you're going to enjoy yourself.

:|

atmosphere comes from there being a good crowd there, its like catch 22.

The reason I enjoyed Tuesdays so much was that there was a good crowd there, plenty of people that you knew. The cheap drink was a plus too obviously. People started going because of the cheap drink but kept going because it became an institution but now that the basic premise is gone the whole thing collapses. It's a sad day

opinionated

The nubar is very badly designed...Tries too much to be a modern funky bar...I don't like the lack of lighting and the quality of some of the staff...Also, who the hell thought it would be a good idea to put steps in a bar, close to the smoking area...bad design and lethal when wet...

But that's just my thought...what do I know...

thomaskearns

does anyone know if there was many people in the bar last night??

rugbug86

opinionated wrote: »

The nubar is very badly designed...Tries too much to be a modern funky bar...I don't like the lack of lighting and the quality of some of the staff...Also, who the hell thought it would be a good idea to put steps in a bar, close to the smoking area...bad design and lethal when wet...

But that's just my thought...what do I know...

And the fact that you have to leave the bar to go to the toilet and have to queue to get back in!

Limerick Dude

thomaskearns wrote: »

does anyone know if there was many people in the bar last night??

The NuBar was closed last night but the old bar was open. Not a bad crowd in there watching the football.
Must say i enjoyed the old bar much more to the nu bar, way better atmosphere and everyone is just chilling and having a good time. Was talking to one of my mates who's an international student and he was saying he preferred it much more to nu bar, said it was alot more relaxing and comfortable.