New expected car price list July 08

E92

Same as the one I posted a few months ago, but with lots of updates.

The main changes are:

BMW: 123d Auto(hatch and Coupé), 120d Auto Coupé, 135i Auto Coupé, 120i and 125i Cabrio(Manual and Auto), CO2 updates for models due to come to market soon, 316i Auto, more M3 prices(saloon and Cabrio as well as DCT gearbox), 320d Cabrio prices(Manual and Auto), 3 series and X3 price change.

Citroen: diesels for the C2, more powerful diesels for the C4 and C8, FFV C4, spec and price changes for most of the range.

Ford: 2.0 FFV Mondeo, S-Max and Galaxy replaces non FFV version of this engine. 2.0 FFV engine now available in LX trim for the Mondeo. 2.3 Galaxy Auto, 2.2 TDCi for the Mondeo, S-Max and Galaxy, new Titanium trim for the Mondeo and S-Max, the Mondeo ECOnetic is now available to order (it's a 125 bhp 1.8 TDCi Zetec). The big news is the pricing of the Mk3 Focus.

Kia: prices for pro_cee'd and cee'd SW.

Lexus: price adjustment for IS range, and GS facelift.

Merc: CO2 data for new additions to C-class range due soon(BlueEFFICIENCY models).

Opel: Spec and price changes for most models. New trim levels for 5 door and estate Astra models. Of course, the new Astra saloon is due soon.

Peugeot: 207 RC is now 207 GTi.

Porsche: Price reductions across entire range, as well as new additions to all model ranges.

Renault: Modus now replaced by Grand Modus.

Toyota: new additions to Yaris range, and Land Cruiser V8 pricing.

Volkswagen: minor changes.

Attachments to follow in due course!

Can the old thread pleased be locked? I'm deleting the attachments in it anyway as they are out of date.

E92

The first of 2 parts, too big to go all on it's own!

E92

Here's part 2!

Stephen

Any word on whether Honda will start selling the 2.2 iCTDI Civic here?

granturismo

Well done again. Do you have any more details or links to the changes on C4 7 seaters? I just bought one in time for the €1000 cash back. I checked 4 dealers and they all gave exactly the same price to change:rolleyes:

I had various reasons for purchasing this model before July, including possible slump in trade in prices and wont be too happy if there are significant changes to the specs of the 1.6 HDi Dynamique.

Thanks

Gandalf23

Thanks E92

E92

Attached Files0807 BMW [/URL]
I decided to take the liberty of posting the official BMW and MINI price list here from this thread. As I, and plenty of other people told all the refuse to belivers and BMW bashers back in December, BMW and MINI have kept to their word and are passing on VRT savings where possible in their entirity.

R.O.R

Volvo dealers recieved provisional pricing for post 1st July over the weekend. From a quick scan of E92's lists above against the S40 pricing it looks like they are even cheaper than expected (although it is early and I haven't had coffee yet).

Pricing is relevant to MY09. There are no spec or exterior changes, but the 1.8i is replaced completely by the 1.8FF engine. The 2.4,D5 and T5 versions have gone but there is a "Powershift" option on the 2.0D (presume that's Auto).

Bad new is that the 2.0D and powershift are in short supply and likely to face production delays.

pburns

E92 - great job as usual! And where do you find the time?

Did you ever think of becoming a motoring scribbler? You're a hell of a lot more knowledgeable then the majority of so-called motoring journalists working for Irish car mags/newspapers (judging by the innocuous crap i've seen flicking through motoring newcar, Motoring Life etc...)

Plus you have the default motoring journo soft spot for the products of a certain Bavarian establishment...

Stevie Dakota

R.O.R wrote: »

Volvo dealers recieved provisional pricing for post 1st July over the weekend. From a quick scan of E92's lists above against the S40 pricing it looks like they are even cheaper than expected (although it is early and I haven't had coffee yet).

Any idea where I can view Volvos new pricing? Their website does not have the info up yet.

copacetic

E92 wrote: »

Here's part 2!

E, the subaru prices look wrong? new vrt rates don't seem to be applied for a lot of them, eg outback 2.5 auto coming down 12k???

Phibsboro

Great thread

Anyone got any ideas on Fiat's plans for July? I am looking at a 500 1.2 and asked the salesguy for a "now" price and a "july" price but he said that because the 500 was only introduced in Feb, Fiat had priced it as though the new regime applied and will take a hit in profits until July. Sounds a bit unusual to me - anyone got any thoughts?

Cheers,
C

moleyC

Very good post, thanks.

I just have a question, and it's probably a very silly one but anyway, what is the significance of the OMSP compared to the price?

ninty9er

Medal for patience and dilligence in the post;)

Well done.

Edit:

Just 2 questions on the Toyota sheet: What additions to the Yaris range have you made and is the V8 based on the 100 or the new 200?

-Chris-

moleyC wrote: »

Very good post, thanks.

I just have a question, and it's probably a very silly one but anyway, what is the significance of the OMSP compared to the price?

It's a convention the Revenue use for calculating the value of a car for VRT or Benefit In Kind - they know cars don't sell for RRP, that usually a discount is negotiated, so they use a figure based on a generic discount called Open Market Selling Price.

They also keep a database of OMSPs for older cars too (the accuracy of which is debated fairly regularly here), to allow them to charge VRT on imports based on what they're worth here.

slickmcvic

...interesting reading
why is the mini cooperS goin up 3 K in softtop but down 1,705 in hardtop models?

oswaldcobblepot

R.O.R. whats the word on Volvo S40 1.6 D SE after the 1st of July?

E92

ninty9er wrote: »

Just 2 questions on the Toyota sheet: What additions to the Yaris range have you made and is the V8 based on the 100 or the new 200?

I can't remember what the ones for the Yaris are but all I remember is that there were new models there that weren't there before! They brought in a 1.8 litre Yaris recently anyway, so maybe that's it?

The Land Cruiser V8 is the new one that came out a few months ago, whatever one that is.

E92

copacetic wrote: »

E, the subaru prices look wrong? new vrt rates don't seem to be applied for a lot of them, eg outback 2.5 auto coming down 12k???

Typo on my part. Stick in the appropriate rate and it should give the right result!

Not that it matters really, cause Subaru's own website tells you how much their cars will increase in price now.

NiSmO

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E92

pburns wrote: »

E92 - great job as usual! And where do you find the time?

Did you ever think of becoming a motoring scribbler? You're a hell of a lot more knowledgeable then the majority of so-called motoring journalists working for Irish car mags/newspapers (judging by the innocuous crap i've seen flicking through motoring newcar, Motoring Life etc...)

Plus you have the default motoring journo soft spot for the products of a certain Bavarian establishment...

When it's something you love, you always make time for it:D! Using the SIMI template and knowing how to use the formulae in Microsoft Excel does make a huge difference though, but I won't lie and say it still took plenty of time!

To be honest, being a car journalist would be a dream job for me but if I wanted to do it I'd have to train in journalism and that of course has many fields, creativity isn't a strong point of mine and I've no interest whatsoever in writing essays/articles etc. about anything other than cars and anything car related such as infrastructure, car-related politics like "Global Warming", EU bullcrap on speed limits etc. I'm too logical a person to think outside the box, I'm extremely blunt and I'll always speak my mind(as demonstrated above), definately not the qualities a journalist should be presumably!

So it ain't gonna happen, though maybe I should try my hand at blogging!

E92

R.O.R wrote: »

Volvo dealers recieved provisional pricing for post 1st July over the weekend. From a quick scan of E92's lists above against the S40 pricing it looks like they are even cheaper than expected (although it is early and I haven't had coffee yet).

Pricing is relevant to MY09. There are no spec or exterior changes, but the 1.8i is replaced completely by the 1.8FF engine. The 2.4,D5 and T5 versions have gone but there is a "Powershift" option on the 2.0D (presume that's Auto).

Bad new is that the 2.0D and powershift are in short supply and likely to face production delays.

Pity Volvo ditched the D5 for Ireland. That car would have benefited from a lower purchase price and lower road tax rates from July too, even as an Automatic.

And in manual it would get into 24% VRT and €430 road tax. Bad decision by Volvo there:(! These are the type of cars that should be more attractive, not less attractive to import from July!

The Powershift Gearbox is Volvo's DSG type gearbox. CO2 is 159 g/km for it, an increase from 153 g/km in the manual, which means it is one VRT band higher than the manual from July at 24%.

Phibsboro

Just to clarify exactly what the spreadsheet is doing - am I correct in thinking that it is simply taking info like this...

http://www.mtp.ie/VRT.html

and actually working out the difference the vrt should make?

By saying that, I don't mean to belittle the obvious effort that has gone into the prep of the sheets - my point is that presumably these are speculative prices, right? There is no guarantee that any of the manufacturers will actually stick to these prices, right? Other than the ones we've actually seen price lists for like BMW. As I said earlier in the thread a Fiat dealer said Fiat is already pricing one model at July prices so there wouldn't be reduction there (and it should be €1500 cheaper taking a straight VRT reduction).

I'm making the point just in case anyone thinks the "new" prices will be the actual prices in July - in general I think they wouldn't be, the manufacturers will at least move to more marketable rounded prices. Unless there is some kind of legal obligation to pass the VRT +/- on as is?

Cheers,
C

VH

Phibsboro wrote: »

Just to clarify exactly what the spreadsheet is doing - am I correct in thinking that it is simply taking info like this...

http://www.mtp.ie/VRT.html

That page doesn't work in Firefox.

Phibsboro

Yeah, noticed that, had to revert to the joys of IE to get it

ShiverinEskimo

E92 wrote: »

creativity isn't a strong point of mine and I've no interest whatsoever in writing essays/articles etc. about anything other than cars and anything car related such as infrastructure, car-related politics like "Global Warming", EU bullcrap on speed limits etc. I'm too logical a person to think outside the box, I'm extremely blunt and I'll always speak my mind(as demonstrated above), definately not the qualities a journalist should be presumably!

You just described Jeremy Clarkson.

E92

Jemery Clarkson writes a column on non car related issues every Sunday in the Sunday Times, and Jeremy could tell you that a car is rubbish today and brilliant tomorrow, things I certainly DON'T do;)!

R.O.R

oswaldcobblepot wrote: »

R.O.R. whats the word on Volvo S40 1.6 D SE after the 1st of July?

Sorry - only just seen your post.

S40 1.6D SE comes down by €3,224 to 30K on the nose.

Opel dealers have their pricing too now. I presume it's on general release, i've a full copy.

Phibsboro

If anyone has any info on Fiat's pricelist for July I'd really appreciate a PM.

Thanks,
C

sk8board

From a value-motoring point of view, Mazda could have their timing right with the brand new Mazda 6 2.0D SE model being reduced to 29.5k (-€3,800). Looks and drives fantastic too.

Stevie Dakota

That Mazda looks like great value, very hard to make the case for the similarly priced 1.6 C5. Factor in a 2.5K discount for cash, very tempting.

E92

Where are people getting these releases? I seem to have none of them:D:(!

It would be greatly appreciated if those in the know could tell us more, either by PM or a link to where I might find it, or else would people be so kind as to upload these official prices on this thread?

E92

sk8board wrote: »

From a value-motoring point of view, Mazda could have their timing right with the brand new Mazda 6 2.0D SE model being reduced to 29.5k (-€3,800). Looks and drives fantastic too.

Better still would be the entry level model, €27,800 for that roughly.

Citroen's C5 1.6 HDi is due to fall by €2,100 in July bringing to €28k dead.

E92

Phibsboro wrote: »

If anyone has any info on Fiat's pricelist for July I'd really appreciate a PM.

Thanks,
C

No change to the 500 and Punto. The Punto I'm definite, because Fiat passed on some but not all of the saving on in January and said that that would be the July price, and I'm reliably informed that the 500 was launched with "July prices" back in February(yeah right is what I'm thinking).

Others I don't know about.

return guide

E92 wrote: »

Where are people getting these releases? I seem to have none of them:D:(!

It would be greatly appreciated if those in the know could tell us more, either by PM or a link to where I might find it, or else would people be so kind as to upload these official prices on this thread?

I have asked the dealers i have visited, most will tell but only what they "expect".

But agreed there people here in the trade that are staying mum

Rob C

Good man E92, cheers for that!

God it's seriously depressing for the high end, powerful motors. Look at the Porsche section....

Look at the M3 as well

E92

@ AudiChris - where's our official July pricelist for Audi(and the rest of the VAG range while we're at it)?

You know, the one you promised you'd have "within 2 weeks" more than 2 weeks ago:D?

-Chris-

The figures you have on your spreadsheet are near as damnit afaik - all savings are being passed on and there's no playing with specs.

I think the two open loops are:
1) Optional extras pricing - the A4 currently straddles 4 or 5 CO2 bands, do we get 4 or 5 metallic paint prices? Do we have a different metallic price for an A5 1.8T manual than an A5 1.8T auto?
2) What will the effect of all the new engines you've posted about be? Is there a point in publishing and promoting a post-July price list when you know several of the prices are likely to change significantly in the next little while?

That being said, you're only waiting to see this new list out of curiosity. My customers are waiting for the list because they think they might buy a new Audi.

I, on the other hand, am getting married this year and was also planning to apply for a mortgage. The inability of my customers to place orders in a timely fashion is hurting my livelihood. I think the delay in releasing pricing will cause a lot of people to say "it's mid-May, by the time my car is delivered it'll be August, and that's if I place my order today! I think I'll just wait and order for January...".
If that happens (and I think it's started) it's going to dramatically affect Audi's market share and cost a number of people their jobs.

Bring on the pricelist!

E92

Thanks for that AudiChris.

Of course I've no interest in buying a new Audi.... I wouldn't throw away money on any new car even if I could afford it.... there'll be so much value to be had out there in the second hand market come July when people start trading in and even if that didn't happen I resent the idea of enriching the Government courtesy of VRT. In that sense telling me makes no difference cause you know and I know that I'm unlikely to be an Audi customer in the future(though I genuinely am overwhelmed by the S5, and the R8 V10 and in particular the return of the 5 pot Audi in the form of the "RSTT" certainly arouses more interest in the brand for me, and who knows maybe I will buy an RSTT when they're a lot cheaper in years to come:p? that's if the Government hasn't killed all the fun with speed cameras of course:() but at the end of the day if I know I'd certainly tell anyone who is interested in a new Audi/rival car, and I'd stick it into my sig as a link like I did for BMW/MINI.

But you pretty much hit the nail on the head with what you said about people humming and hawing about a new car.

I think you're dead right about it. (I don't want to be rubbing more salt into the wounds but I imagine that's why BMW put out their official July list at the start April on purpose, so that they'd get people in then to get the new cars out in July, I know how these things work timing wise between ordering a new car especially if it's not one in stock and has to be built specially at the factory)

BMW have different prices for the options depending on what VRT band the car is in anyway. I presume Audi will do likewise.

Any word on the 2.0 TDI 170 or the 2.0 TFSI 180/211 A5?

Now that Audi have technical updates for want of a better expression whereby the engines have been tweaked for lower CO2 but are otherwise identical to the higher CO2 versions, this is going to be a nightmare for dealers who will have the less desirable higher polluting vehicles.

How are the dealers going to work that one, and more importantly, how will they know which one is which?

It's not just Audi that have this problem though. Volvo's new S80 2.0D is quoted as doing 157 g/km for CO2 here, but 151 g/km elsewhere in Europe.

So that's a whole VRT and road tax band of a difference.

Interesting times ahead:)!

Phibsboro

E92 wrote: »

No change to the 500 and Punto. The Punto I'm definite, because Fiat passed on some but not all of the saving on in January and said that that would be the July price, and I'm reliably informed that the 500 was launched with "July prices" back in February(yeah right is what I'm thinking).

Others I don't know about.

Thats exactly what i'm hearing so i'm going to do a deal this week. Got an xtra grand against my 05 mini than first offer and i'm happy nuff with that. Reality is that if that i sold private for the first time in my life i'd make more but i'm not that kind of punter. I want to walk in with one car, walk out with another... wasn't quite that simple this time but almost. And I'm mad about the 500 (and getting slagged something fierce about it even before i've got it, but such is life )

c

GoneShootin

R.O.R wrote: »

Opel dealers have their pricing too now. I presume it's on general release, i've a full copy.

Not in Cork anyway. Two seperate dealers wouldn't/couldn't provide prices.

-Chris-

E92 wrote: »

Thanks for that AudiChris.

Of course I've no interest in buying a new Audi.... I wouldn't throw away money on any new car even if I could afford it.... there'll be so much value to be had out there in the second hand market come July

The value is on it's way - it's slowly dawning on people selling their cars (private or dealer) that if prices aren't dropped, the car won't sell. How many people do you know who've had their car on carzone for weeks or months without a single phonecall. If you're selling your car at the moment, you have to price it at a level where the buyer would be crazy NOT to buy it.

E92 wrote: »

In that sense telling me makes no difference cause you know and I know that I'm unlikely to be an Audi customer in the future

Yeah, I know you'd be hard to win over alright!:D

E92 wrote: »

But you pretty much hit the nail on the head with what you said about people humming and hawing about a new car.

For a new car salesman, that's the biggest threat at the moment. There's a fairly small window of opportunity left before '09 is looming. Even if you printed the pricelist tomorrow, the orders won't start rolling for a week or two - people need time to shop around and digest the new info.

E92 wrote: »

I think you're dead right about it. (I don't want to be rubbing more salt into the wounds but I imagine that's why BMW put out their official July list at the start April on purpose, so that they'd get people in then to get the new cars out in July, I know how these things work timing wise between ordering a new car especially if it's not one in stock and has to be built specially at the factory)

BMW got it bang on the button imho. I have customers who are thinking of buying BMW over Audi at the moment not because they prefer BMW, but because they can actually buy a BMW from a price and spec list.
A lot of people don't like the hazyness of provisional pricelists and don't trust the salesperson to give them unbiased advice.

E92 wrote: »

BMW have different prices for the options depending on what VRT band the car is in anyway. I presume Audi will do likewise.

I wasn't aware of that, that must be a nightmare for them (and their customers)!

E92 wrote: »

Any word on the 2.0 TDI 170 or the 2.0 TFSI 180/211 A5?

TDi is Sept afaik, not sure about the 2.0T - word late last year was that it wasn't available until Nov '08. I'm not sure if that's changed.

E92 wrote: »

Now that Audi have technical updates for want of a better expression whereby the engines have been tweaked for lower CO2 but are otherwise identical to the higher CO2 versions, this is going to be a nightmare for dealers who will have the less desirable higher polluting vehicles.

How are the dealers going to work that one, and more importantly, how will they know which one is which?

Yep, I'd say there's a lot of diesel cars ordered for stock so that in July people can buy from stock rather than waiting for a 3 month delivery time. I don't know what's going to happen to that overlap of cars. That's between the dealers and distributor I guess - the customers won't pay for it.

E92 wrote: »

It's not just Audi that have this problem though. Volvo's new S80 2.0D is quoted as doing 157 g/km for CO2 here, but 151 g/km elsewhere in Europe.

So that's a whole VRT and road tax band of a difference.

I'm not sure how that's even possible, surely the COC that's produced by the distrubutor works Europe wide. What's the difference between a German S80 and and Irish one? Could it be a typo?

E92 wrote: »

Interesting times ahead:)!

Hell yeah!

E92

AudiChris wrote: »

The value is on it's way - it's slowly dawning on people selling their cars (private or dealer) that if prices aren't dropped, the car won't sell. How many people do you know who've had their car on carzone for weeks or months without a single phonecall. If you're selling your car at the moment, you have to price it at a level where the buyer would be crazy NOT to buy it.

This is one of the consequences of people importing by the bucketload from the UK, where there is better value to be had and often cars that are in much better nick(the Brits are much more into their cars than we are, and don't see them as a device for moving people from A to B like most Irish buyers do), with bigger/more powerful engines and of much higher spec.

AudiChris wrote: »

Yeah, I know you'd be hard to win over alright!:D

I'm always open to persuasion. That's what you're here for:D! There are models in BMWs range that I regard as an insult to the brand(1 series, X3, X5, X6) and most of them are hideous to look at(though the X6 looks lovely, and the 1 series Coupé and Cabrio are showing a return to form, so the days of ugly BMWs are starting to disappear and not before time), and likewise there are models in the Audi range that very much interest me like the R8(but obviously not the diesel one), especially the twin turbo V10:D, and of course the RSTT should be fantastic!

AudiChris wrote: »

For a new car salesman, that's the biggest threat at the moment. There's a fairly small window of opportunity left before '09 is looming. Even if you printed the pricelist tomorrow, the orders won't start rolling for a week or two - people need time to shop around and digest the new info.

+1

AudiChris wrote: »

BMW got it bang on the button imho. I have customers who are thinking of buying BMW over Audi at the moment not because they prefer BMW, but because they can actually buy a BMW from a price and spec list.
A lot of people don't like the hazyness of provisional pricelists and don't trust the salesperson to give them unbiased advice.

Well provisional pricing is just that. Official on the other hand means that's what it's gonna be. +1 about BMW though. As I say that must be the logic behind putting the word out there nearly a month and a half ago. Of course some people will wait till next year, but that affects all brands, not just BMW.

AudiChris wrote: »

I wasn't aware of that, that must be a nightmare for them (and their customers)!

Indeed it must be, I'm glad I don't sell them:p!

AudiChris wrote: »

TDi is Sept afaik, not sure about the 2.0T - word late last year was that it wasn't available until Nov '08. I'm not sure if that's changed.

Thanks for that. When will we see the engine updates for the A4? I understand that the TDI 120 will be here next month, will the 2.0 TFSIs be here then?

AudiChris wrote: »

Yep, I'd say there's a lot of diesel cars ordered for stock so that in July people can buy from stock rather than waiting for a 3 month delivery time. I don't know what's going to happen to that overlap of cars. That's between the dealers and distributor I guess - the customers won't pay for it.

Oh but they will in the form of higher road tax and hence lower desirability in the used car market;)!

AudiChris wrote: »

I'm not sure how that's even possible, surely the COC that's produced by the distrubutor works Europe wide. What's the difference between a German S80 and and Irish one? Could it be a typo?

Probably the same things as what's happening with the A4 2.0 TDIs, which will be dropping down to 16% VRT shortly, as the 143 is going down to 139 g/km from 144 g/km and the 170 will do 140 g/km, while the 120 does 134.

R.O.R

GoneShootin wrote: »

Not in Cork anyway. Two seperate dealers wouldn't/couldn't provide prices.

They mustn't be on general relase yet then as my list came from our Opel dealer in Cork.

copacetic

AudiChris wrote: »

The figures you have on your spreadsheet are near as damnit afaik - all savings are being passed on and there's no playing with specs.

I think the two open loops are:
1) Optional extras pricing - the A4 currently straddles 4 or 5 CO2 bands, do we get 4 or 5 metallic paint prices? Do we have a different metallic price for an A5 1.8T manual than an A5 1.8T auto?
2) What will the effect of all the new engines you've posted about be? Is there a point in publishing and promoting a post-July price list when you know several of the prices are likely to change significantly in the next little while?

That being said, you're only waiting to see this new list out of curiosity. My customers are waiting for the list because they think they might buy a new Audi.

I, on the other hand, am getting married this year and was also planning to apply for a mortgage. The inability of my customers to place orders in a timely fashion is hurting my livelihood. I think the delay in releasing pricing will cause a lot of people to say "it's mid-May, by the time my car is delivered it'll be August, and that's if I place my order today! I think I'll just wait and order for January...".
If that happens (and I think it's started) it's going to dramatically affect Audi's market share and cost a number of people their jobs.

Bring on the pricelist!

well said chris, I expressed my frustration with my dealer again at the weekend. They had no answer really, they mentioned that the TT TDI and new A3 facelift prices with the CR diesels may be delaying the overall list?

-Chris-

copacetic wrote: »

well said chris, I expressed my frustration with my dealer again at the weekend. They had no answer really, they mentioned that the TT TDI and new A3 facelift prices with the CR diesels may be delaying the overall list?

I'd expect your dealer is right - with the bits you've mentioned PLUS the engine changes E92 has highlighted in his threads they may not want to release a price list only to supercede it a month later - go for a big bang approach with the price list.

copacetic

Possibly, I was pretty unimpressed with the spiel I got about Audi keeping it's exclusivity much more when they become more expensive than bmw in July. The dealer appears to be under the impression that Audi are up there with Mercedes now in image.

alpina

+1
On a recent day out to physically view some models was given exactly this impression

spuddy

E92 wrote: »

No change to the 500 and Punto. The Punto I'm definite, because Fiat passed on some but not all of the saving on in January and said that that would be the July price, and I'm reliably informed that the 500 was launched with "July prices" back in February(yeah right is what I'm thinking).

Others I don't know about.

E92 is right on the money there. The 500 couldn't have been launched with July prices, as the figures just don't add up.

Take the basic Fiat 500, the 1.2 POP (CO2 119g/km). That means the current price of €13995 includes VRT at 14%.

Let's do a little comparison...

IRELAND
If said price is at July rates:
€13995 - Ireland price
-€1959 - VRT 14%
-€2088 - VAT 21%
€9948 - PRE TAX IRELAND PRICE

If said price is at current rates:
€13995 - Ireland Price
-€3149 - VRT 22.5%
-€1882 - VAT 21%
€8964 - PRE TAX IRELAND PRICE

UK
€9950 - UK Price (£7905 @ 1 EUR = 0.794440 GBP)
-€1482 - VAT 17.5%
€8468 - PRE TAX UK PRICE

Germany
€10500 - Germany Price
-€1676 - VAT 19%
€8824 - PRE TAX GERMAN PRICE

France
€10200 - France Price (€10900-€700 Government Green Bonus)
-€1672 - VAT 19.6%
€8528 - PRE TAX FRENCH PRICE

As is clear from the above, according a 22.5% VRT rate, our pre tax price is in line with the rest of Europe.

The correct price in Ireland (incl VAT & VRT), post July 1st, for the said car will be €12611. If you hear otherwise, I'd like to see a clear explanation why.

-Chris-

copacetic wrote: »

Possibly, I was pretty unimpressed with the spiel I got about Audi keeping it's exclusivity much more when they become more expensive than bmw in July. The dealer appears to be under the impression that Audi are up there with Mercedes now in image.

alpina wrote: »

+1
On a recent day out to physically view some models was given exactly this impression

Well, you gotta ask yourself what you'd say if you were the salesperson...

People ask me all the time, "why should I buy an A3, isn't it just an expensive Golf?". If I was a VW salesperson I'd say that you're getting Audi quality for less, there are parts shared, same percentage residuals, etc. etc.
I'm an Audi guy however so I concentrate on the cachet of the image, the better quality materials, fit & finish.

If the house is too small, it's "cozy". If it's run down, it's a "handyman's dream".

Most people say Audi, BMW and Merc in the same breath nowadays.
It stands to reason that if BMWs become too common on the roads because they're much cheaper, then you can conversely say that Audi and Merc will be more exclusive.
I already have LOADS of people coming to me and saying that they want an A5 because they want something like a 3-Series Coupe but there's just too many of them on the road.

You may not like Audi or think that it's in the same league as the other German brands, but many people do and there's enough of them to make Audi neck-and-neck with Mercedes and catching up hard on BMW in Ireland.

Don't mean to hijack the thread, just felt that needed defending.

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You can't please everyone, but the exclusivity of the A5 has a lot to do with the fact it's a brand new car and the currently limited choice of engines as much as anything else(though there is a 2.0 TDI on the way).

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is about whether a car is exclusive or everyone has one. If it's a good car, then that should be the end of the matter. My idea of a good car is often different to other people, but that only means I am no more wrong than they are right.