Digiweb influence on the broadband forum?

Praetorian

watty wrote: »

Breeze is pretty much a fixed speed technology.

Ripwave is not fixed speed, but can't go much faster than 3G.

DSL is very limited by Distance.

Not many people can get Fibre.

Cable is mostly dense parts of main cities.

Most small WISPs struggle to achieve 3Mbps.

14.4Mbps HSDPA or HSUPA basically just adds capacity to 3.6Mbps HSDPA, not generally much more per user speed.

EDGE can now do nearly 600Kbps rather than 240Kbps, but that probably needs new Modems and SW upgrade from Nokia Siemens Networks.

Watty,

With all due respect. I don't know why you came out with this post. The OP didn't ask for a biased Digiweb view on technology. Could you please put a message in your signature stating who you work for so people are clear? Does boards.ie need someone to follow you around to respond to all your posts that have that have a percieved negativity towards any of your competitors?

bigpaddy2004

Praetorian wrote: »

Watty,

With all due respect. I don't know why you came out with this post. The OP didn't ask for a biased Digiweb view on technology. Could you please put a message in your signature stating who you work for so people are clear? Does boards.ie need someone to follow you around to respond to all your posts that have that have a percieved negativity towards any of your competitors?

I will have to stand up for Watty on this one.

The man is only telling the truth based on each technology. The op asked will Irish Broadband up their speeds. Myself and Watty have tried to explain that the technology they use will not allow an increase as the equipment they use does not allow so. Watty might of had gone into other technologies and tried to explain them, I did'nt see any harm in that.

paulm17781

bigpaddy2004 wrote: »

The man is only telling the truth based on each technology. The op asked will Irish Broadband up their speeds. Myself and Watty have tried to explain that the technology they use will not allow an increase as the equipment they use does not allow so. Watty might of had gone into other technologies and tried to explain them, I did'nt see any harm in that.

I disagree, Watty and yourself said it was not possible. Watty however went on to say how every other technology probably won't suit them, not one mention of Digiweb though. I have previously said to Watty that as a mod he should not make assertions about other companies (Which he has done in relation to VOIP etc.) with no proof. If Watty had said the limit of IBB, fair enough however he said every type of provider and may as well have said "Digiweb is yer only man". I don't see the OP asking about the availability of fibre, cable or limits of DSL or EDGE. It stinks to me of snide Digiweb marketing.*

*I am not saying this is authorised by Digiweb and my experiences of them are good. None the less, it is bad cheap advertising by an employee who should clarify his position on his bias posts.

Just to add http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055266004 See the example of other wireless providers being bashed, I think this is done everywhere possible.

paulm17781

Moriarty wrote: »

Alvarion gear is in widespread use and the limits of the technology are well known. IBB can't get around those. I think that's pretty relevant to the original poster's question, no?

That part is. The rest is nothing to do with it and is an example of how Watty always posts about non digiweb technologies for no reason. Look at the link I posted.

veris

Hi Guys just to get in on the chat Digiweb have these boards on all day in the background ,I know of two chaps who write to the boards trying to wind things up.And bad mouth the better ISP out there.So C and J just sign off as digiweb employees and lets all get on with it. :mad:

bigpaddy2004

paulm17781 wrote: »

I disagree, Watty and yourself said it was not possible. Watty however went on to say how every other technology probably won't suit them, not one mention of Digiweb though. I have previously said to Watty that as a mod he should not make assertions about other companies (Which he has done in relation to VOIP etc.) with no proof. If Watty had said the limit of IBB, fair enough however he said every type of provider and may as well have said "Digiweb is yer only man". I don't see the OP asking about the availability of fibre, cable or limits of DSL or EDGE. It stinks to me of snide Digiweb marketing.*

*I am not saying this is authorised by Digiweb and my experiences of them are good. None the less, it is bad cheap advertising by an employee who should clarify his position on his bias posts.

Just to add http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055266004 See the example of other wireless providers being bashed, I think this is done everywhere possible.

Digiweb also provide Satellite and Dsl. I have often seen Watty throw up the the negatives of these technologies also even though Digiweb supply them

Metro like Dsl has its disadvantages also. i.e. Distance.

Moriarty

veris wrote: »

Hi Guys just to get in on the chat Digiweb have these boards on all day in the background ,I know of two chaps who write to the boards trying to wind things up.And bad mouth the better ISP out there.So C and J just sign off as digiweb employees and lets all get on with it. :mad:

Digiweb receive no special treatment here. Either way this thread isn't about Digiweb, it's about IBB - let's stick on topic shall we?

Praetorian

Moriarty wrote: »

Digiweb receive no special treatment here. Either way this thread isn't about Digiweb, it's about IBB - let's stick on topic shall we?

I think a lot of people disagree on the topic of Digiweb's special treatment; several people have already pm'd me about it. Watty gives biased opinions on other companies products to people looking for help. It really does smell like he has fellow employees with accounts shamelessly backing him up. Is this all all being done to impress Colm Piercy (big boss of Digiweb) who overlooks this forum on a daily basis?

I think the broadband forum isn't being moderated strongly enough. Please tell me honestly Moriarty, which ISP do you work for?

As regards the topic, I don't think Watty knows what IBB's plans are. Sure Eircom are definitely migrating to ADSL2+ (ie new equipment or upgrades). Isn't it just as possible that IBB are going to move to new equipment?

Moriarty

These posts are all split out of this thread on the broadband forum.

damien

Originally Posted by Moriarty
Digiweb receive no special treatment here.

Probably not but Watty is left to be quite free for the employee of an ISP when he discusses ISPs and broadband. This is more than likely because he was giving the same advice before he started with them and would give the same if he left.

However things change when the advice you give will profit your employer or harm their competition.

Despite all the fuss that crops up now and then Watty still goes about slagging off the competition without disclosing his employer. Apparently a promotional link in his signature explains everything when in fact it discloses nothing.

Still, I think there is a severe lack of judgement by Watty, his employer and the mods here that his commentary on his employer and their competition is left through without a big bloody warning to the people who are genuinely seeking help and don't hang out on this forum on a regular basis to be aware of his employment.

And yeah this is off-topic when it was meant to be about IBB but would this have happened if some people were not sick of Watty either directly or indirectly marketing for Digiweb while innocent people don't know his bias?

sergiotheonly

greetings
it does seem only fair that if you work for a competing ISP you should declare it. i dont think anyone has an issue with the information bias (its natural youd know more about a company you work for) but the level of transparency is a problem. surely thats a fair point to make?
and is it really off-topic?

Phlann

Well I'm new here and have never encountered this Watty character, but it does seem a little dishonest to me for somebody to be offering advice on ISPs without openly declaring their 'allegiance', so to speak.

I think any employees of ISPs who are offering broadband advice on this board should be obliged to state their employer in their sig.

edit: I'd consider this to be very much on-topic.

Moriarty

Praetorian wrote: »

I think a lot of people disagree on the topic of Digiweb's special treatment; several people have already pm'd me about it.

Oh damn. You've obviously discovered our (oh! oh! does he mean boards or digiweb?!) grand conspiracy to ask just about every employee in every other ISP in the country not to post on the broadband board. I thought we had it all locked up. If it wasn't for those pesky kids and that darned dog.

Seriously, I'll say it again - everyone is more than welcome to post on the broadband board as long as they obey the rules.

Praetorian wrote: »

Watty gives biased opinions on other companies products to people looking for help. It really does smell like he has fellow employees with accounts shamelessly backing him up. Is this all all being done to impress Colm Piercy (big boss of Digiweb) who overlooks this forum on a daily basis?

Was there anything incorrect in what he posted? Digiweb uses tech he mentioned too. Watty != Digiweb.

Praetorian wrote: »

I think the broadband forum isn't being moderated strongly enough.

Example?

Praetorian wrote: »

Please tell me honestly Moriarty, which ISP do you work for?

I work for Digiweb. I have the ability to seperate my work and non-work life. Since you're insinuating that I'm biased in my approach to moderation I expect you have examples?

Praetorian wrote: »

As regards the topic, I don't think Watty knows what IBB's plans are. Sure Eircom are definitely migrating to ADSL2+ (ie new equipment or upgrades). Isn't it just as possible that IBB are going to move to new equipment?

I have no idea what Watty does or does not know for sure. I'm not here to defend him either. You'll notice that he only commented on the technology used by IBB currently in the thread we're discussing - that's perfectly fair comment as far as I'm concerned.

leninbenjamin

can anyone else smell fish?

admol

Moriarty you work for Digiweb and mod a broadband forum :rolleyes:

Doesn't Digiweb host boards.ie as well?

aidan_walsh

admol wrote: »

Moriarty you work for Digiweb and mod a broadband forum :rolleyes:

Doesn't Digiweb host boards.ie as well?

Whats your point?

damien

Uhm, there's a curious amount of low-posting or new enough posters around tonight isn't there?

Praetorian

Moriarty,

Sarcasm aside, I don't remember any trouble or any other similar behaviour by a big ISP on broadband at any time. I do remember Smart approaching the broadband forum in a very professional manner until they created their own forums. This is a suggestion I've made on numerous occasions to Digiweb staff.

Watty is very selective with his facts. He runs other providers and their technology down. I don't have the time or the inclination to trawl through his posts to list examples.

I work for Digiweb. I have the ability to seperate my work and non-work life. Since you're insinuating that I'm biased in my approach to moderation I expect you have examples?

Your dragging me into a childish debate here but the very fact that somehow my post and posts with similar opinions were caught by the off topic rule this time is good enough for now. I don't remember the off topic rule being enforced so diligantly before. Perhaps you have examples?

Until tonight I didn't know you worked for Digiweb, I don't think your a bad mod at all, far from it really but I don't think an employee of an ISP should be a mod of Broadband. There is a conflict of interest.

NN all!

Nehaxak

All of these revelations as to some of the mods/admins associations with Digiweb are news to me and to be perfectly honest, hold these forums in a whole new light now.
How can people now be assured that these boards are not being intentionally influenced by digiweb, it's employee's and indeed the boards admins'/mods ?

I had thought these broadband forums in particular as a method of independently voicing ones views but this now does not seem to be the case as it is clearly evident that they are influenced by Digiweb and it would seem to the detriment of both digiweb's competition in the market and more importantly, the Irish consumer.

At this stage, the only thing that would put back confidence would be if some of the other Admins/mods on these whole forums who are not associated with Digiweb, took it upon themselves to set-up a broadband forum hosted by a commercial entity not associated in any way with digiweb or any other broadband provider in Ireland. I see no other way, these broadband forums in particular are now tainted and I for one cannot trust what is being posted as not being influenced in some way by Digiweb, it's employee's or indeed some of the mods/admins who work here and also for Digiweb.

To think, I actually enjoyed reading these forums at one stage. I'm only glad this debacle has come out in such a public fashion as at least I know now for one to take anything posted here with a pinch of salt when relating to praise of digiweb or scorn for any of it's competition.

Still, guess it shows how desperate Digiweb are these days for custom if they have to revert to dirty marketing tricks such as these.

I know, you're saying I'm all wrong with that but the thing is, the damage is done and how can I be assured otherwise ? Hmm ?

bushy...

veris wrote: »

Hi Guys just to get in on the chat Digiweb have these boards on all day in the background ,I know of two chaps who write to the boards trying to wind things up.And bad mouth the better ISP out there.So C and J just sign off as digiweb employees and lets all get on with it. :mad:

So , who is this "better ISP" anyway ?

togster

It all seems really shady tbh. A bit like bertie and his "accounts". Its the assertion that something untoward happened that cast aspirations as to his ability to do his job. I don't think mods affiliated with a certain provider can mod a forum effectively. Not because they can't but because the notion of bias will always be there.

thebman

I will stick up for the Digiweb employees to a certain extent on this topic as they have not been incredibly biased toward their employer from my experience.

I was not aware Moriarty was an employee before today though. I think that is a slight conflict of interest but I've never seen him or at least I don't remember him being biased in posts or in his moderation of the forum. Makes me feel kind of uneasy, knowing it could occur though.

I do read Watty's posts and expect some bias in most cases he is not. He gives the facts and leaves. Every now and again, he can loose the run of himself but most of the time there is nothing wrong with his posts.

I wouldn't mind having something labelling them as digiweb employees or at least asking them to sign off as such on their posts in the broadband forum.

There are plenty of other ISP's with employees posting in the BB section. Are we going to go on a witch hunt to find all of them because realistically we have no way of knowing if they are working for an ISP. At least these two people have made it known to the moderators and others that they work for the ISP so there are people checking their posts.

There are plenty of other boards users who work for ISP's who don't do this.

mike65

Maybe its time for all employees of companies which have clinet bases on boards or direct links to www.boards.ie ltd to have to make a declaration of interests and that to be noted in thier user profiles and the sig.

Mike.

I never understand why people get so uppity about their work place. Currently I work in a cinema based in Galway. There is a rival cinema also in this city that is our main competitors. I am not going to talk down that rival cinema (and if I ever do, its from my own personal opinions based before my job) or talk up my own one. I'll let people's experiences, our awards and whatnot do the talking for me.

watty

damien.m wrote: »

Probably not but Watty is left to be quite free for the employee of an ISP when he discusses ISPs and broadband. This is more than likely because he was giving the same advice before he started with them and would give the same if he left.

However things change when the advice you give will profit your employer or harm their competition.

brim4brim wrote:

There are plenty of other ISP's with employees posting in the BB section. Are we going to go on a witch hunt to find all of them because realistically we have no way of knowing if they are working for an ISP. At least these two people have made it known to the moderators and others that they work for the ISP so there are people checking their posts.

Let's have a witch hunt!

I think some people who complain about me are the ones with an agenda. I don't mean damien.m, who has some valid points and in many ways we have the same viewpoint.

I'm not a marketing droid / pimp / schill. I design technology and thus have a high scepticism about marketing claims. Obviously if I think a Digiweb technology is being oversold I'm not free to comment publicly, as I once would have, but you can be sure I mention it to the CEO.

I've actually defended products (including Ripwave & HSDPA) from other companies. Most communications technology works and if the Marketing did not overstate it, the users would have an expectation that met the performance/price/availability/features.

Digiweb has probably more different technologies than anyone else and some are very similar to competitors. Also I have to test technology from vendors and separate reality from Market speak. Then I make recommendations / comments.

Most of those evalutions by me and others in Digiweb can't be published. That really would make the sparks fly. Many have also additionally been evaluated on paper from Vendor and Operator information, some privileged.


We have evaluated about 5 systems in detail and drive tested two for Mobile Internet.

Probably about four techs on 3.5 Ghz physically, and 3 on paper for 3.5GHz.

About 3 or 4 techs on 10GHz.

Quite a few Satellite systems (2 in use and one on test currently).

Also in the past considerable experience with WAN versions of 2.4 & 5.8 WiFi based tech, both by Digiweb and me separately prior to me joining Digiweb.


Actually frequently I have to bite my tongue and say less than I would like.

I find it strange that people don't find my signature explicit enough, especially since the folk that complain know that I work for Digiweb.

However to appease the Witchfinder General (please burn some other hapless ISPer, actually best not burn anyone.) I'll change my sig.

Other than NBS/CrossCountry Micky Flynn, I'm not aware of any senior person of any ISP other than my own boss that has complained about ANY post I've made regarding Broadband or Internet Services.

damien

watty wrote: »

I find it strange that people don't find my signature explicit enough, especially since the folk that complain know that I work for Digiweb.

Isn't that the whole point? Only those that know you, know who your employer is. Everyone else doesn't see the bias, even if it is unintentional.

BuffyBot

I think people need to take off the tin-foil hats and de-bunch their panties frankly

(And no, I don't work for any ISP )

Dord

mike65 wrote: »

Maybe its time for all employees of companies which have clinet bases on boards or direct links to www.boards.ie ltd to have to make a declaration of interests and that to be noted in thier user profiles and the sig.

Mike.

I think this is a good idea. It's the case on another forum I frequent, users who have links to a company (be it by working for them, or having a contract with them in any way) must list it in their user title (underneath their username).

CuLT

mike65 wrote: »

Maybe its time for all employees of companies which have clinet bases on boards or direct links to www.boards.ie ltd to have to make a declaration of interests and that to be noted in thier user profiles and the sig.

Mike.

This is a bad idea because

a) only the honest users are going to admit it
b) as a result of this, they are going to be harrassed publicly and via PM, and will probably just not bother posting anymore after a while
c) the percentage of dishonest ones will proportionally increase
d) most of these people probably aren't even officially allowed to post, forcing them to identify themselves will drive away all the genuinely knowledeable, helpful employees of the various ISPs that post on the BB forum for fear of disciplinary action

Maximilian

I think having Mods who may have some potential conflicts is only an issue if they act in a biased way. To that end, I wouldn't see any problem unless there are actually examples of such biased behavior.

Conflicts of interest are common in life. As far as this goes, there are mechanisms and forums to deal with it if it occurs.

Earthhorse

CuLT wrote: »

This is a bad idea because

a) only the honest users are going to admit it
b) as a result of this, they are going to be harrassed publicly and via PM, and will probably just not bother posting anymore after a while
c) the percentage of dishonest ones will proportionally increase
d) most of these people probably aren't even officially allowed to post, forcing them to identify themselves will drive away all the genuinely knowledeable, helpful employees of the various ISPs that post on the BB forum for fear of disciplinary action

I disagree. Full disclosure is good ethical practise. It allows users make fully informed decisions about the content and possible bias present in any post.

I would suggest people who regularly contribute to the Broadband forum and are working for ISPs change their location or perhaps their sig to reflect this. They should do so as an act of good faith.

I don't deny that some of what you describe above would follow but I think you are overstating the case.

CuLT

Earthhorse wrote: »

I disagree. Full disclosure is good ethical practise. It allows users make fully informed decisions about the content and possible bias present in any post.

I would suggest people who regularly contribute to the Broadband forum and are working for ISPs change their location or perhaps their sig to reflect this. They should do so as an act of good faith.

I don't deny that some of what you describe above would follow but I think you are overstating the case.

This is not enforcable, plain and simple. If it's not enforcable, there is no point.

damien

CuLT wrote: »

This is not enforcable, plain and simple.

Neither is libel. Users are trusted not to be idiots, it works mostly. Is everything premoderated on boards.ie? No.

Cabaal

BuffyBot wrote: »

I think people need to take off the tin-foil hats and de-bunch their panties frankly

(And no, I don't work for any ISP )

Indeed, as for ISP's causing trouble, over the years we've had Eircom, Three, Perlico, IBB and NTL employee's causing issues on the Broadband forum...generally the post stuff and then realise they could get fired or in trouble for said posts.

As long as ISP employee's can keep there work and there posts separate I see no issues, I myself work for a large ISP but they don't supply any services within Ireland.

I've never seen any cause for concern with Wattys or Moriarty's posts on the Broadband forum or others, infact I have to say Wattys has been extremely helpful to users and he's even helped write parts of the FAQ.

As for saying people should identify themselfs, sure in some cases they should but default for all no, the reasons posted by Cult are valid - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=55566526&postcount=29

Earthhorse

CuLT wrote: »

This is not enforcable, plain and simple. If it's not enforcable, there is no point.

I don't ask for it to be enforced, which is why I described it as an act of good faith.

You're essentially saying that where ethical behaviour can't be enforced there is no point to it; I would say where it can't be enforced it is of even greater importance.

I don't see what the problem is.
If Watty gives bad advice,then counter it.
If he posts something like Digiweb are the greatest ever because they are and thats that,then report the post as a shill.
But if you disagree with his advices,then debate them.
Thats what a discussion forum is all about.

thebman

Its simple, would the bb forum be better off without some of the ISP posters, no! Boards is a good way to get in contact with the members of tech support for companies that actually do want to help users when the regular support starts ignoring you.

In most cases this comes via PM because they don't want other members to know they work for an ISP or their ISP to know they post on boards. It would be a shame to loose these members.

Watty helps and sometimes he has to hold back which is acceptable. He's change his sig now but I don't think he was required to because there is no way to enforce that policy safely so he has again done more than he needs to for the people in the broadband forum.

I think the people that know what they are talking about can quiet the people that try to abuse the system.

CuLT

Earthhorse wrote: »

I don't ask for it to be enforced, which is why I described it as an act of good faith.

You're essentially saying that where ethical behaviour can't be enforced there is no point to it; I would say where it can't be enforced it is of even greater importance.

I just don't see what the incentive for the employee in question is; there exists only the possibility for negative consequences.

People (some, not all) will be baying for blood every time they express an opinion (as proven with watty, who has an extremely well informed one), while essentially anonymous possible competitors pick them apart. Cabaal and Moriarty could put all the stickies and recommendations they want up, but nobody in their right mind is going to expose themselves to that. Digiweb clearly employs some very crazy, very helpful people.

Maybe I'm being overly negative? If you can think of a positive result for an ISP employee doing this (who is not on company mandate to post to boards.ie) I'd be interested in hearing it.

watty

Yes, The burning ******s, pitchforks, peasants baying for blood etc.. I'm only posting to try and help people. I've not been told to post nor paid for it.

As I said before the last time this issue came up (when I spoke my views on speed too), I begin to wonder why I bother.

The Sponge Bob in particular warned me long ago not to talk about other people's products, but there is so little Informed opinion and explination, I can't resist commenting. I'm not posting because I work in Digiweb. I work in Digiweb because I know about this stuff, dating back to 1971 Aer Lingus Irish Young Scientist when RTE Judge said "Of course we will never have Laser communication or Digital TV". No prizes for guessing what my purely paper proposals were.

(For those not aware, all fibre uses lasers, and Digital Video Editing used some years before Digital TV to Home appeared).

watty

Hmm... Boards's muck filter takes objection to descriptions of bits of wood

oscarBravo

Only if they're ghey.

Crash

Panties, knot, pathetic, much?

This is the stupidest pile of horse****e i've ever read in my life - first off if you want conflict of interest then you have a perfectly made one in that boards is hosted by digiweb. And prior to that, you had the same with 365. and and and and and.

You'll find conflicts of interest wherever you look - simply put you should be quite happy that you have a user who is pretty knowledgeable about the tech in use posting there, and a mod who does have the cop on to seperate his work and non-work life and does a GOOD job.

Oh, if it makes any difference to my above statement, I worked for digiweb for 3 months.

OMFG CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!

...

Earthhorse

CuLT wrote: »

I just don't see what the incentive for the employee in question is; there exists only the possibility for negative consequences.

People (some, not all) will be baying for blood every time they express an opinion (as proven with watty, who has an extremely well informed one), while essentially anonymous possible competitors pick them apart. Cabaal and Moriarty could put all the stickies and recommendations they want up, but nobody in their right mind is going to expose themselves to that. Digiweb clearly employs some very crazy, very helpful people.

Maybe I'm being overly negative? If you can think of a positive result for an ISP employee doing this (who is not on company mandate to post to boards.ie) I'd be interested in hearing it.

The incentive, if any, is that it creates trustworthiness. If you're up front about your position in things it's harder to be accused of duplicity.

Shills will be shills, there's almost nothing we can do about them. But their attempts to discredit good posters will only become more apparent if we can see they are solely attacking the posts of Digiweb (or other ISP's) employees.

That's the theory anyway. Perhaps I'm over-estimating the intelligence of the average user of the broadband forum. Personally, where someone had been honest with me about their vested interest in something without prompting I would be more likely to take their posts at face value than if it were revealed after the fact.

WizZard

Earthhorse wrote: »

The incentive, if any, is that it creates trustworthiness. If you're up front about your position in things it's harder to be accused of duplicity.

The opposite can also be said. If someone declares that they work for someone, and then criticises a competitor (validly) they will be accused of being biased, when they may not necessarily be so.

Earthhorse wrote: »

Shills will be shills, there's almost nothing we can do about them. But their attempts to discredit good posters will only become more apparent if we can see they are solely attacking the posts of Digiweb (or other ISP's) employees.

More than any other forum I frequent, boards.ie users have very advanced shill radars. This, along with the harsh (and righteous ) treatment of shills generally discourages shilling (especially from long-standing members)

Earthhorse wrote: »

That's the theory anyway. Perhaps I'm over-estimating the intelligence of the average user of the broadband forum.

I think you are under-estimating the bias that can be displayed, especially from "anonymous" users on the internet.

Earthhorse wrote: »

Personally, where someone had been honest with me about their vested interest in something without prompting I would be more likely to take their posts at face value than if it were revealed after the fact.

Maybe you would, but I have an altogether more cynical view of people. I think it would unfairly bias someone about that persons opinions.

The fact is, shills are found out fast here, and anyone shilling for their company (known or unknown) would be identified and purged faster than you can even imagine.

DingDong

Are we hanging watty( & co.) or what, I spent half the day looking for a donkey and a decent tree to hang him from. Just short the rope can anyone hook me up

paulm17781

Moriarty wrote: »

I have no idea what Watty does or does not know for sure. I'm not here to defend him either. You'll notice that he only commented on the technology used by IBB currently in the thread we're discussing - that's perfectly fair comment as far as I'm concerned.

How are the limitations of DSL and EDGE or availability of cable or fibre relevant to IBBs technology. Further why no "metro is only available in urban areas" type comments. In fact, nothing disparaging about Digiweb stuff, just everyone else.

Watty, post #25 they are excellent points and I can't disagree, fact is I didn't know you worked for Digiweb. If I did, I would have called it biased, I know I queried you on Blueface. I thought they were just assertions that a mod shouldn't make. I did not know you worked for a competing company. Fact of it is, if people think you're just another user / hobbyist then people will think it is unbiased. If people know you work for Digiweb, they can decide for themselves. All you need is a decent sized font in your sig stating you are a Digiweb employee, like an e-mail sig. "Due to popular demand I admit I do stuff in Digiweb" does give a clear picture. 'Stuff' could be deliver post to them.

CuLT

paulm17781 wrote: »

How are the limitations of DSL and EDGE or availability of cable or fibre relevant to IBBs technology. Further why no "metro is only available in urban areas" type comments. In fact, nothing disparaging about Digiweb stuff, just everyone else.

Watty, post #25 they are excellent points and I can't disagree, fact is I didn't know you worked for Digiweb. If I did, I would have called it biased, I know I queried you on Blueface. I thought they were just assertions that a mod shouldn't make. I did not know you worked for a competing company. Fact of it is, if people think you're just another user / hobbyist then people will think it is unbiased. If people know you work for Digiweb, they can decide for themselves. All you need is a decent sized font in your sig stating you are a Digiweb employee, like an e-mail sig. "Due to popular demand I admit I do stuff in Digiweb" does give a clear picture. 'Stuff' could be deliver post to them.

Who do you work for and why do you not include it in your signature?

daiixi

paulm17781 wrote: »

If people know you work for Digiweb, they can decide for themselves. All you need is a decent sized font in your sig stating you are a Digiweb employee, like an e-mail sig. "Due to popular demand I admit I do stuff in Digiweb" does give a clear picture. 'Stuff' could be deliver post to them.

*cough* tea boy *cough*


Ahh come on, this is an internet forum. I can say the moon is made out of honeycomb. Does it matter what career I have or who I work for or can you still make up your own mind? If you're going to believe everything you read on the internets, you're an idiot.*


*generalised idiot, not directed at paulm. Unless he now believes the moon is made of honeycomb.

Sparky

But the moon is.

watty

Metro isn't just for urban.

However in some Isolated hamlet there might be problem with backhaul. But that applies to everything except Satellite.

Since I'm only the Tea-lady and Postman, you can be sure the actual technical people at Digiweb are sharp.

paulm17781

CuLT wrote: »

Who do you work for and why do you not include it in your signature?

I'm a sys admin for a software company. I don't post on any forum that is relevant to my career nor would the software we sell be relevant (large corporate customers are our focus). However when a mod and an employee of an ISP refers to the likes of Blueface, a VOIP provider who compete in areas with Digiweb as "loss making third party providers" that is saying "we have something they don't" and makes an assertion about a company with no proof of a basis, I asked him for proof. I've never seen Watty post anything negative about Digiweb and I didn't know he worked for them. It gives a negative slant which intentional or not, puts a bias against other companies.

People take a lot of boards as fact, whether they should or not is another matter. If a well informed mod is making statement about other companies, it is only right that readers know he works in the same industry and for a competitor in certain areas.