help with setting up network

John mac

I need a little help setting up a network in the house.
I have the main pc in the kitchen/dining room,
there is a internet connection to this pc by means of wireless to house and cable to router.
i have a patch cable running out to the garage feeding a FON wireless router.
at the moment i have wireless access for the laptop wia fon.
i would like to be able to see the main pc and music files etc on the laptop.
and files on the laptot from the main pc.
i want to set up my server as well but that will be for another time.
all i want now is to be able to see the main pc from the laptop.
Hope this makes sense.

Spear

John mac wrote: »

I need a little help setting up a network in the house.
I have the main pc in the kitchen/dining room,
there is a internet connection to this pc by means of wireless to house and cable to router.
i have a patch cable running out to the garage feeding a FON wireless router.
at the moment i have wireless access for the laptop wia fon.
i would like to be able to see the main pc and music files etc on the laptop.
and files on the laptot from the main pc.
i want to set up my server as well but that will be for another time.
all i want now is to be able to see the main pc from the laptop.
Hope this makes sense.

Try pinging each machine from the other first to see if basic connectivity between them is okay. Then you can create shares on each machine by right clicking the desired folder and choosing the "share" option.

John mac

Spear wrote: »

Try pinging each machine from the other first to see if basic connectivity between them is okay. Then you can create shares on each machine by right clicking the desired folder and choosing the "share" option.

sorry i cant get to see either machine on the other.
and also what would i ping (how do i find the address)
just starting on this network stuff
i have run network wizard etc but no joy.

Spear

John mac wrote: »

sorry i cant get to see either machine on the other.
and also what would i ping (how do i find the address)
just starting on this network stuff
i have run network wizard etc but no joy.

In a command prompt use "ipconfig /all" to see the assigned address. Don't worry about the physical address, that refers to something else.

John mac

ok they are not seeing each other at all

Spear

John mac wrote: »

ok they are not seeing each other at all

Then what addresses have they received? They'll need to be within the same broadcast domain anyway to share files.

John mac

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\JOhn>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : kitchen2
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : (internet provider name here

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : isp
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit E
thernet NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . :
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . :
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . :
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 01 April 2008 20:55:06
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 19 January 2038 04:14:07

Ethernet adapter Bluetooth Network Connection:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Bluetooth Device (Personal Area Netw
ork)
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . :

C:\Documents and Settings\JOhn>

as you can see (i have deleted the address details) but they all pertain to the isp

just in case i wasnt clear the kitchen pc (running xp) is connected to a dlink voip router

FON wireless is connected to this router

laptop (Vista) connected to FON wireless if this makes it any clearer

Spear

John mac wrote: »

as you can see (i have deleted the address details) but they all pertain to the isp

just in case i wasnt clear the kitchen pc (running xp) is connected to a dlink voip router

FON wireless is connected to this router

laptop (Vista) connected to FON wireless if this makes it any clearer

Post the first three sets of numbers from the IP address. If the kitchen PC is connected to a router it should be receiving an internal only address by DHCP.

John mac

192.168.15

IP Address. 192.168.15
DHCP Server 192.168.15
Default Gateway 192.168.15

Spear

John mac wrote: »

192.168.15

IP Address. 192.168.15
DHCP Server 192.168.15
Default Gateway 192.168.15

Those are all internally restricted IP's and are not related to your ISP. If I remember FON routers they often ran two AP's simultaneuously, one for your private use and the sandboxed AP for the public to use. What IP has the other machine then?

John mac

yea there is a public and private on the fon.

lappie gone to bed now (me too)will have to check in the am.

Thanks for helping so far.. Ill be back.with the info.:)

John mac

C:\Users\John>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Paula-laptop
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : lan

Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : lan
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Con
nection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-1C-***CF-04-C2
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::e5ba:7bc5:ab46:8742%10(Preferred)
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.***(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.***.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 02 April 2008 14:22:02
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 03 April 2008 02:22:02
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.**.*
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.**.*
DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 167779519
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.***.*
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix .
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetLink (TM) Fast Ethernet
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-1D-***3B-85-F2
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 6:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-**-*
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2001:0:d5c7:a2ca:28c0:2223:3f57:****(Pref
erred)
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::28c0:2223:3f57:****%8(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : ::
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : isatap.****.ie
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 9:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : lan
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #2
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.10.***%12(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.**.*
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled


hope i havnt left anything out.

Spear

John mac wrote: »

hope i havnt left anything out.

The IP addresses can be left intact since they're restricted to internal network use and can't be used over the net.

Starring out the third set of numbers in the MAC address is pointless since the first set of three identify the manufacturer, it's the last set of three that are unique.

Starring out parts of the netmask is entirely redundant.

It would help to see the IP of the gateway, DHCP server and the laptop.

John mac

192.168..10.1

Spear

John mac wrote: »

192.168..10.1

The laptop should be connecting to the private AP provided by the FON. It seems that the FON is acting a separate DHCP server from the other router as the laptop and kitchen machine are on different address ranges. For simplicity sake it would be nice to get on them on the same range. If possible turn off the DHCP server for the private AP and make it act as a DHCP relay instead. This will send the DHCP requests from the FON router on to the other router, and it will provide an address in the 192.168.15.x range to the laptop, in the same way it already does for the kitchen machine.

You've already said that you can't ping the laptop from the kitchen machine. Can the laptop ping the non-FON router?

John mac

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\John>ping192.168.10.146
'ping192.168.10.146' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Users\John> 192.168.10.146
'192.168.10.146' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Users\John> 192.168.10.1
'192.168.10.1' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Users\John>ping 192.168.10.1

Pinging 192.168.10.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.10.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.10.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.10.1: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.10.1: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.10.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms

C:\Users\John>


hope thats it

(i am going to have to read up on this network stuff )

Spear

John mac wrote: »

C:\Users\John>ping 192.168.10.1

Pinging 192.168.10.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.10.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.10.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.10.1: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.10.1: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.10.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms

C:\Users\John>


hope thats it

(i am going to have to read up on this network stuff )

192.168.10.1 is the FON router. I need to see if you can ping the broadband router. It's address will be in the 192.168.15.x range.

John mac

Pinging 192.168.15.* with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.15.*: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=63
Reply from 192.168.15.*: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=63
Reply from 192.168.15.*: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=63
Reply from 192.168.15.*: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=63

Ping statistics for 192.168.15.*:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 4ms, Maximum = 17ms, Average = 7ms

C:\Users\John>


am i anywhere close to what i need?

Spear

John mac wrote: »

Pinging 192.168.15.* with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.15.*: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=63
Reply from 192.168.15.*: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=63
Reply from 192.168.15.*: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=63
Reply from 192.168.15.*: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=63

Ping statistics for 192.168.15.*:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 4ms, Maximum = 17ms, Average = 7ms

C:\Users\John>


am i anywhere close to what i need?

That's a good sign, but there's still no need to star out parts of the IP address. Try ping the IP of the kitchen machine now and see what that returns.

John mac

C:\Users\John>ping 192.168.15.161

Pinging 192.168.15.161 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 192.168.15.161:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

C:\Users\John>ping 192.168.1.100

Pinging 192.168.1.100 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.1.100: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=62
Reply from 192.168.1.100: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=62
Reply from 192.168.1.100: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=62
Reply from 192.168.1.100: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=62

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.100:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 5ms, Maximum = 8ms, Average = 6ms

C:\Users\John>


not sure which on is the pc!

Spear

John mac wrote: »

C:\Users\John>ping 192.168.15.161

Pinging 192.168.15.161 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 192.168.15.161:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

C:\Users\John>ping 192.168.1.100

Pinging 192.168.1.100 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.1.100: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=62
Reply from 192.168.1.100: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=62
Reply from 192.168.1.100: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=62
Reply from 192.168.1.100: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=62

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.100:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 5ms, Maximum = 8ms, Average = 6ms

C:\Users\John>


not sure which on is the pc!

I'm not entirely sure at this point either. Go to the broadband router and check it's status page. It should give it's own LAN address explicitly there. It's entirely possible that it's at 192.168.1.100 but giving out addresses in the 192.168.15.x range by DHCP.

John mac

router is 168.15.1

Spear

John mac wrote: »

router is 168.15.1

I wonder if 192.168.1.100 belongs to the public part of the FON AP? Perform a tracert on the laptop with the command "tracert 194.125.133.10". This will show the route your traffic is taking out to the net. Your public IP will appear in there just after 192.168.15.1 so this time you can star that one out. 194.125.133.10 is a DNS server from Indigo so it's relatively local and responds to the likes of pings.

John mac

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\John>tracert 194.125.133.10

Tracing route to ann.indigo.ie [194.125.133.10]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 4 ms 9 ms 9 ms registerlafonera.fon.com [192.168.10.1]
2 6 ms 7 ms 4 ms 192.168.15.1
3 10 ms 13 ms 6 ms 192.168.1.***
4 13 ms 11 ms 11 ms 33-101-cust.westnet.ie [88.81.101.**]
5 13 ms 13 ms 12 ms 88.81.100.**
6 12 ms 10 ms 13 ms mole-wn.westnet.ie [88.81.100.1]
7 21 ms 24 ms 21 ms ge3-5.peering1.cwm.dublin.eircom.net [193.242.11
1.82]
8 24 ms 23 ms 22 ms ann.indigo.ie [194.125.133.10]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\John>

Spear

John mac wrote: »

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\John>tracert 194.125.133.10

Tracing route to ann.indigo.ie [194.125.133.10]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 4 ms 9 ms 9 ms registerlafonera.fon.com [192.168.10.1]
2 6 ms 7 ms 4 ms 192.168.15.1
3 10 ms 13 ms 6 ms 192.168.1.***
4 13 ms 11 ms 11 ms 33-101-cust.westnet.ie [88.81.101.**]
5 13 ms 13 ms 12 ms 88.81.100.**
6 12 ms 10 ms 13 ms mole-wn.westnet.ie [88.81.100.1]
7 21 ms 24 ms 21 ms ge3-5.peering1.cwm.dublin.eircom.net [193.242.11
1.82]
8 24 ms 23 ms 22 ms ann.indigo.ie [194.125.133.10]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\John>

Looks like 192.168.1.100 is the final internal interface. I need to go back and clarify something from the start. The kitchen PC and connects wirelessly to a router which is then in turn connected by cable to the broadband router?

John mac

kitchen pc is wired to BB router
fon wireless is wired to same BB router

(oh to be able to draw a diagram)

Spear

A little research suggests the FON router is the obstacle here. This article
http://www.sbprojects.com/knowledge/internetwork/fon/index.htm
suggests it's not bright enough to be able to route between the different local network segments.

John mac

Thanks for all your time.
must look at doing it another way, will prob buy a new router.

FruitLover

John mac wrote: »

4 13 ms 11 ms 11 ms 33-101-cust.westnet.ie [88.81.101.**]
5 13 ms 13 ms 12 ms 88.81.100.**

Little tip: if you're going to be all paranoid and starring out parts of IP addresses (including private addresses and one public IP that doesn't even belong to you :rolleyes:) then you should bear in mind that the fqdn above gives the full IP away

John mac

i know i know..

i am not sure wether it is ok or not to post ip addresses. if it is ok then ok.
Thanks

Spear

John mac wrote: »

Thanks for all your time.
must look at doing it another way, will prob buy a new router.

The same article also recommends that approach and leaving the FON purely for the public users.

Alternately you could look into replacing the firmware on the FON but that would be slightly messy and could brick the router if you're not familiar with it.

darraghrogan

I agree with Spear - the FON router is whats getting between the networks...

if your desktop pc is connecting to the internet gateway (the dlink in this case) then I reckon you need to see what IP and subnet the desktop has, and ensure that the laptop is getting an IP in the same subnet... if it doesn't - is there any wan in the FON wireless router config page to make it JUST an access point for local use? so that when you connect to the FON wirelessly you're put straight onto the wired network subnet, rather than having a router in the FON?

D