Accident at Superquinn

Trotter

Just wriggled my way through traffic on the ring road and noticed a lot of gardaí and fire brigade at Superquinn. It seemed more than a standard bump. I hope everyone involved is ok.

Sully

From a brief look, a car crashed into the back of another car at the front enterance. I assume it skidded out in front of traffic or another car. They had to be taken out of the car by emergency services. I only noticed the Order of Malta ambulance at the scene (the Tramore unit attends emergency calls).

A similar accident happened at the side enterance where a car crashed into the side of the car moving out from the Kelly & Dollard complex. All occupants in that crash seemed to be okay.

Trotter

Sully wrote: »

From a brief look, a car crashed into the back of another car at the front enterance. I assume it skidded out in front of traffic or another car. They had to be taken out of the car by emergency services. I only noticed the Order of Malta ambulance at the scene (the Tramore unit attends emergency calls).

A similar accident happened at the side enterance where a car crashed into the side of the car moving out from the Kelly & Dollard complex. All occupants in that crash seemed to be okay.

Another one at Ardkeen stores! Whats going on tonight.. slippy roads or something!

Sully

Bad driving looks like the cause of each accident at Superquinn

CantGetNoSleep

Was another one yesterday just opposite the Peugeot garage by Ursline Court

Not The Real Scarecrow

saw the one at superquinn happening.Was coming the other direction and an asshole in a jeep was bombing it in the road.could tell it was gonna happen seconds before it did.He plowed into one car and when he did could see the front windscreen and back one explode at same time.Looked fairly viscious at time.The guy in the jeep seemed grand but the lady in the passanger seat seemed in a bit of a bad way.No blood or anything like that but that don't mean she wasn't hurt badly.Hope she was alright cause I hate to see crashes like that happen.When you're stopped in traffic and some careless prick just doesn't pay attention and they're always the ones to walk away with out a scratch.
Saw one on by Ardkeen too,didn't see it happening though but Garda were there with a guy who seemed to be responsible and he looked barely 18.
Seems nearly every weekend see the same ****e around.People need to slow down and stay off their ****ing phones and keep their eyes on the road.Driving isn't the most complicated thing in the world to do.

Mossy Monk

Did you give a statement to the Gardaí Meatwad?

echosound

Saw the one at superquinn happening too - doubt there was any shortage of witnesses to make statements as the area was very busy at the time, with lots of cars waiting to turn into superquinn and lots of people at the bus-stop opposite.
Most of the occupants seemed ok at a glance - the driver of the BMW jeep was standing out talking on his phone and looked fine, as were the occupants of the car at the head of the accident, but the woman passenger in the car that was hit directly by the jeep seemed to be very shook up and had not been moved from the car until the emergency services arrived on the scene. I hope she's OK. My take on it (saw it happening as I was driving out from town direction, the accident happened about 50 yds away on the opposite side of the road coming towards town) was that it was the jeep driver that caused it - the other cars were stationary when he smacked into them.

Also saw the one at Ardkeen - another 3 car pileup, same as the one at Superquinn. It's getting to be commonplace to see accidents like that in the leadups to busy roundabouts, people too impatient to get out of the traffic queues and rearending an innocent party.

Seriously - IMO it's all down to careless driving, or being overly anxious to get where you want to go in a hurry - pulling out in front of cars on roundabouts as you can't be bothered to wait your turn and pull out safely,or driving up the arse of the car in front of you to stop other cars pulling out into the gap in front of you. All it takes is a second of distraction and the car in front stops and you don't see in time - smash.

have had it happen to me while I was stopped in traffic too - some a-hole not paying attention and writing off 3 cars and hurting people (8 in total, including 3 children) who were sitting patiently there in their cars, minding their own business. I could see it happening behind me but due to the queue and wearing a seatbelt (couldn't jump out quickly enough), I could do nothing to get out of the way of the cars being shunted towards me from behind except jam the brakes and handbrake on, brace myself and hope we didn't get too badly injured or shunt forward too far and hit the next car in the line.

the amount of near misses I've personally been involved in due to ignorant drivers not paying attention or worse - thinking they're more important and therefore everyone else needs to get out of their way while they take chances and skip queues or jump out in front of traffic that has the right of way :mad: I've always said it - it doesn't matter how carefully you drive, there's always some idiot who can come along and ruin things for you and there's oftentimes nothing you can do except brace for impact.At least if it happens when you're actually driving/moving, you can take measures to try and drive yourself "out of the way", whereas - in the case of the two accidents at superquinn and ardkeen - you are helpless to try to avoid the impact.

Mossy Monk

At the Superquinn roundabout last Friday some stupid tramp of a woman overtook me as I was coming off the exit onto the Tramore Road. I beeped and she drove on without a care in the world. She then came to the bypass and going around the roundabout there instead of staying in the left lane she cut right across into the right hand lane forcing another driver to jam on the breaks. People like that should be put off the road. Inconsiderate assholes.

Sully

Mossy Monk wrote: »

At the Superquinn roundabout last Friday some stupid tramp of a woman overtook me as I was coming off the exit onto the Tramore Road. I beeped and she drove on without a care in the world. She then came to the bypass and going around the roundabout there instead of staying in the left lane she cut right across into the right hand lane forcing another driver to jam on the breaks. People like that should be put off the road. Inconsiderate assholes.

Did you call the Gardai and report her driving behaviour?

Mossy Monk

I didn't get a number plate as she was 2 cars ahead of me by the time we got to the bypass.

Minto

Mossy Monk wrote: »

At the Superquinn roundabout last Friday some stupid tramp of a woman overtook me as I was coming off the exit onto the Tramore Road. I beeped and she drove on without a care in the world. She then came to the bypass and going around the roundabout there instead of staying in the left lane she cut right across into the right hand lane forcing another driver to jam on the breaks. People like that should be put off the road. Inconsiderate assholes.

You just reminded me of something funny that happened a few weeks ago, me and two friends were driving out from college and a guy cut across us on the same roundabout, we beeped the horn and the c*nt threw a rules of the road book out the window at us. It didn't hit the car, but twas bloody dangerous. Unfortunately, we were paralysed with laughter and didn't get his number plate.

Mossy Monk

Cheeky fecker.

Roanmore

I'm surprised there hasn't been more accidents at Superquinn. I don't know how may times I see people turning right coming out from the Cork Road roundabout near the PC World entrance even though there is a sign saying no right turn into Superquinn. You then have people going inside those cars to pass, people coming out from World of Wonder, it creates a crazy situation. Same with people coming out that entrance, again they try to turn right even though they are not supposed to. they try to cross over one lane of traffic to get into the far off lane and then you have the traffic from World of Wonder, mind boggling stuff.

JohnC.

When people talk of flying cars, all I can think of is the carnage. When you see stuff like this happening all the time on 2D roads, imagine what 3D space would be like :eek:

fricatus

Kahless wrote: »

When people talk of flying cars, all I can think of is the carnage. When you see stuff like this happening all the time on 2D roads, imagine what 3D space would be like :eek:

Post of the year! I'm in hysterics! Whatever waccy baccy you've been smoking, I want some!

TheFlatulator

seeing there so many accidents, all i can see happen is the council putting more spped bumps in the area...

But in saying that the tramore road is a speed trap always has been and always will be....

CantGetNoSleep

Kahless wrote: »

When people talk of flying cars, all I can think of is the carnage. When you see stuff like this happening all the time on 2D roads, imagine what 3D space would be like :eek:

Ha brilliant

Another accident at Mount Sion school by the top of Bunkers Hill this morning, cops and two ambulances there

Cabaal

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

Ha brilliant

Another accident at Mount Sion school by the top of Bunkers Hill this morning, cops and two ambulances there

Must have been going some speed...ether that or the maybe hit a pedestrian?

CantGetNoSleep

Yeah I only saw one car on a tow truck, don't know what happened exactly, it was just at the traffic lights on the corner

Mini

Mossy Monk wrote: »

At the Superquinn roundabout last Friday some stupid tramp of a woman overtook me as I was coming off the exit onto the Tramore Road. I beeped and she drove on without a care in the world. She then came to the bypass and going around the roundabout there instead of staying in the left lane she cut right across into the right hand lane forcing another driver to jam on the breaks. People like that should be put off the road. Inconsiderate assholes.

Travelling the outer ring road every day I have come to conclusions that most Waterford people are unable to use a roundabout.

Picture the scene, the road markings approaching the round about say right lane to turn right, left lane from left and STRAIGHT AHEAD. Then why use the right lane to go straight.

In my opinion, this is down right careless.

And overtaking skills in this town leave a lot of be desired. I don't claim to be the best driver in the world, but I try my best to a courteous driver and at least use the correct lanes at round about.

kensutz

That really bugs me too. Also some inconsiderate muppets decide to cut out in front of the hearse at a funeral last week at the Tramore Road roundabout. Maybe because he had an 08 BMW jeep he thought he had every right to own the road.

Mini

kensutz wrote: »

That really bugs me too. Also some inconsiderate muppets decide to cut out in front of the hearse at a funeral last week at the Tramore Road roundabout. Maybe because he had an 08 BMW jeep he thought he had every right to own the road.

wonder was it the same jeep that crashed outside superquinn? well they do say what goes around comes around !!

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mags 28

i saw the entire thing too. yer man in the jeep (not a Beemer, by the way, vlvo, i think) was doing no speed at all. Looked to me as if it was just bad luck. i watched him help out everyone aftetrwards...seemed decent to me but damn shook. I had a word with the fire lads and they said all the ambulances wre all a precaution. But the crowds! Everyone loves a good show, if you ask me. nobody hurt in that one.

JohnC.

Surely if he crashed into the back of someone he was either not looking or going too fast for the conditions? You are supposed to be able to stop before hitting something.

Not The Real Scarecrow

I have to agree with Kahless.He was not going slow at all for the area where he was and was obviously not paying attention as he had plenty of time to slow down.I could see the crash coming easily.And of course he's gonna try help out, he was obviously in the wrong and was trying to ease his guilt.I feel sorry for the people he crashed into, they're the ones that are going to be feeling in for ages to come.They have the hassle of sorting out insurance, medical treatment and the psychological aspects that happen afterwards.Its fairly unnerving getting back to driving after any crash, but when your stationary and some one crashes into you , it takes a while for the paranoia and insecurities to lull.
I hope the guy in the jeep gets screwed by the insurance company and if I had my way I'd do him for dangerous driving and limit him to driving around in a pink 1987 lada or failing that put him off the road for a few years.I have seen through experience that people that cause a crash will undoubtedly go on and cause more when they don't come out of it badly.One guy I know has been the cause of 3 crashes in the last year and seeing his driving I'll bet he'll be in another one soon.

Mossy Monk

mags 28 wrote: »

i saw the entire thing too. yer man in the jeep (not a Beemer, by the way, vlvo, i think) was doing no speed at all. Looked to me as if it was just bad luck. i watched him help out everyone aftetrwards...seemed decent to me but damn shook. I had a word with the fire lads and they said all the ambulances wre all a precaution. But the crowds! Everyone loves a good show, if you ask me. nobody hurt in that one.

How is your jeep?

Sully

Minto wrote: »

You just reminded me of something funny that happened a few weeks ago, me and two friends were driving out from college and a guy cut across us on the same roundabout, we beeped the horn and the c*nt threw a rules of the road book out the window at us. It didn't hit the car, but twas bloody dangerous. Unfortunately, we were paralysed with laughter and didn't get his number plate.

A lot of Irish people dont know how to use roundabouts. I suppose a lot of our drivers are not competent/qualfied and really shouldnt on the road as they cause accidents. Then we have full drivers who are just as bad if not worse!

I assume the rules book was supposed to mean something. Was the driver on a Learner Permit? Maybe they did it to point that out, or they think they had the right of way and got it wrong?

You really wouldnt know wtf they were playing at. If it was me, id follow them and report them once I got the reg. That kinda ****e needs to be stopped and we need people reporting these ****ers on our road.

(Sorry for the rant :P)

Sully

Mossy Monk wrote: »

How is your jeep?

lol exactly what I was thinking.

How can you hit the back of a car if -

1) You were not speading
2) You were to close to the car in front
or
3) You were not paying attention.

Due to the type of crash, speed clearly was a big factor. They dont usually call out ambulances unless the crash is serious. I know everyone (seven casualties IIRC) was brought to hospital as a precuation and there were really no injuries (apart from shock) but that only happens in somewat serious crashes.

fricatus

Mini wrote: »

Travelling the outer ring road every day I have come to conclusions that most Waterford people are unable to use a roundabout.

Picture the scene, the road markings approaching the round about say right lane to turn right, left lane from left and STRAIGHT AHEAD. Then why use the right lane to go straight.

In my opinion, this is down right careless.

I learned to drive in the UK, and my driving instructor was quite clear that when there was only one exit off a roundabout, the left lane was for left and straight on, and the right lane was for right only.

However, on a dual carriageway such as the ORR, interrupted by a roundabout, if there are two exit lanes, then both entrance lanes can be used for travelling straight on, as long as you stay left or right on exit, just as you entered.

I checked our own Rules of the Road and it seems to be a bit vague... the right-hand lane can be used where situations allow, or where the left exit lane is blocked, or that wonderful catch-all "when directed by a Garda".

It probably isn't quite correct driving procedure to the letter of the law, but it's common practice absolutely everywhere, especially on older dual carriageways in the Dublin area (I would be particularly familiar with the N3 in Blanchardstown and the old N1 near Swords - the one with all the roundabouts). I wouldn't consider it dangerous at all... as long as drivers follow their lane around the roundabout it's fine, there's plenty of space. The problem arises when someone on the left decides to follow the "racing line" and cut into the right-hand lane on the way across. Now that's careless.

Dawn-Dusk

The amount of silly driving in the city is really getting bad, and i have decided to report such driving to Gardai. Last evening a prominent driving school car which i assume was being used privately pulled into the inside lane on the Quay from the outer lane in front of me and proceeded to park on the footpath near the bridge hotel,not only was it a sudden movement but no indication was given until he got up on footpath. He also had two children in the back seat one of which was unsecured sitting between the two front seats and this guy is supposed to be professional.
I have contacted the company with details as i believe this guy has an obligation to road safety while he is driving a training car at least.
This evening a guy with an L plate drove through the Passage Rd roundabout and only for i braking hard he would have hit me. I called the cops and got him to pull in and wait for them as i felt his manner of driving was a danger to other road users as well as himself.

CantGetNoSleep

Sully wrote: »

A lot of Irish people dont know how to use roundabouts. I suppose a lot of our drivers are not competent/qualfied and really shouldnt on the road as they cause accidents. Then we have full drivers who are just as bad if not worse!

I assume the rules book was supposed to mean something. Was the driver on a Learner Permit? Maybe they did it to point that out, or they think they had the right of way and got it wrong?

You really wouldnt know wtf they were playing at. If it was me, id follow them and report them once I got the reg. That kinda ****e needs to be stopped and we need people reporting these ****ers on our road.

(Sorry for the rant :P)

I don't think you can really blame everything on non-full licenced drivers

You see people who have probably had a licence for over 20 years doing things equally as stupid

Mossy Monk

He also mentioned full licensed drivers

JohnC.

I was stopped at the lights on the quay, going to turn onto the bridge yesterday. I was in the left lane and I had a suspicion that the car in the right lane also intended to be in the left lane by the time they got onto the bridge. It happens a lot and my feelings about who does and doesn't intend to do it tends to be right. So I made sure not to delay in pulling away so as not to be in an accident. Sure enough, I saw in my rear view mirror that the car behind me and the other car had to do an emergency stop to avoid a collision. There was only a whisker between them.

Sully

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

I don't think you can really blame everything on non-full licenced drivers

You see people who have probably had a licence for over 20 years doing things equally as stupid

Re-read my post. I laid the blame on both.

Sully

Kahless wrote: »

I was stopped at the lights on the quay, going to turn onto the bridge yesterday. I was in the left lane and I had a suspicion that the car in the right lane also intended to be in the left lane by the time they got onto the bridge. It happens a lot and my feelings about who does and doesn't intend to do it tends to be right. So I made sure not to delay in pulling away so as not to be in an accident. Sure enough, I saw in my rear view mirror that the car behind me and the other car had to do an emergency stop to avoid a collision. There was only a whisker between them.

Happens all the time. Terrible driving. I think its just lanes - Roundabouts people do the same thing. Do a lot of people freak when they see two lanes?!

Jor

Hopefully when the new CCTV system is in place at many of the major junctions in the city, this will improve the policing of driving standards and as a consequence the quality of driving. I walk a good bit and it is nearly impossible to go 15 minutes without seeing some prat talking on his/her mobile. Even worse are the idiots that text while driving. Many peoples driving is bad enough without such added distractions.

There are plenty of driving laws and penalties, but unless people are afraid of being caught and punished, they will not change until it is too late. People who text while driving should be charged with wreckless driving,not just given a few penalty points. There should be a charge of automotive homicide for a driver who is deemed responsible for a death in a car accident. Drink drivers above say 120mg should get an automatic jail term ( Even a week in chokie will be a shock to many).

I read in last weeks paper that 2 people had their licences restored by a judge after only serving half their ban. Shows what a smart-talking lawyer can do.

Cabaal

I'd have to agree, they can have all the laws in the world but there worth **** if there not enforced, on a daily basis I see atleast 6-7 people on mobiles while driving, I see people break red lights...I won't even get started on people speeding

Sully

The cameras are not for traffic tho. IIRC.

CantGetNoSleep

Sully wrote: »

The cameras are not for traffic tho. IIRC.

Yeah I always thought they would only be there to watch gowl-bags

Mini

fricatus wrote: »

However, on a dual carriageway such as the ORR, interrupted by a roundabout, if there are two exit lanes, then both entrance lanes can be used for travelling straight on, as long as you stay left or right on exit, just as you entered.

I checked our own Rules of the Road and it seems to be a bit vague... the right-hand lane can be used where situations allow, or where the left exit lane is blocked, or that wonderful catch-all "when directed by a Garda".

It probably isn't quite correct driving procedure to the letter of the law, but it's common practice absolutely everywhere, especially on older dual carriageways in the Dublin area (I would be particularly familiar with the N3 in Blanchardstown and the old N1 near Swords - the one with all the roundabouts). I wouldn't consider it dangerous at all... as long as drivers follow their lane around the roundabout it's fine, there's plenty of space. The problem arises when someone on the left decides to follow the "racing line" and cut into the right-hand lane on the way across. Now that's careless.

But we must remember that there are clear road markings that say it is right only and as said above, we don't want it used as racing lane which it normally does do.

Sully

fricatus wrote: »

I learned to drive in the UK, and my driving instructor was quite clear that when there was only one exit off a roundabout, the left lane was for left and straight on, and the right lane was for right only.

However, on a dual carriageway such as the ORR, interrupted by a roundabout, if there are two exit lanes, then both entrance lanes can be used for travelling straight on, as long as you stay left or right on exit, just as you entered.

I checked our own Rules of the Road and it seems to be a bit vague... the right-hand lane can be used where situations allow, or where the left exit lane is blocked, or that wonderful catch-all "when directed by a Garda".

It probably isn't quite correct driving procedure to the letter of the law, but it's common practice absolutely everywhere, especially on older dual carriageways in the Dublin area (I would be particularly familiar with the N3 in Blanchardstown and the old N1 near Swords - the one with all the roundabouts). I wouldn't consider it dangerous at all... as long as drivers follow their lane around the roundabout it's fine, there's plenty of space. The problem arises when someone on the left decides to follow the "racing line" and cut into the right-hand lane on the way across. Now that's careless.

I always thought there was a catch on if the road was marked, as it is now?

fricatus

Sully wrote: »

I always thought there was a catch on if the road was marked, as it is now?

Quite true; but it's only been marked like that for a month or so, and I really think there's no sense in the way it's marked now. There are two perfectly good lanes for going straight on, it's normal practice everywhere I know (UK, Dublin, Spain) - why suddenly do things differently in Waterford?

Sully

fricatus wrote: »

Quite true; but it's only been marked like that for a month or so, and I really think there's no sense in the way it's marked now. There are two perfectly good lanes for going straight on, it's normal practice everywhere I know (UK, Dublin, Spain) - why suddenly do things differently in Waterford?

No idea. I think there was a lot of people racing in the lanes (in general). I used to use the right lane and the car in the left can get pretty close for comfort when using the roundabout.

*shrrugs*

hanton12

Sully wrote: »

No idea. I think there was a lot of people racing in the lanes (in general). I used to use the right lane and the car in the left can get pretty close for comfort when using the roundabout.

*shrrugs*

that problem still happens tho when you really are turning right and using the right hand lane. Happened me on the Faronshonen (sp) roundabout and I was turning right, car on my left going straight, and the stupid aul bag just took the racing line and cut me up. I honestly dont know how the cars didnt clip. I slammed on the brakes, and the horn, and the stupid woman just looked at me as if to say,'what the hell do you think you are doing'.

Too many people in this country dont know proceedure for roundabouts. Only a week or 2 ago on Ray Darcy someone asked what lane do you go in if its a 2 lane entry and one lane exit when you are going straight. The girl asking the question said the right lane, as did Jenny Kelly. When its the left lane you should be in. that summed it up for me. And we complain about roads and the governement etc. Its drivers that are at fault for the majority of accidents.

fricatus

Sully wrote: »

I used to use the right lane and the car in the left can get pretty close for comfort when using the roundabout.

*shrrugs*

Yes indeed, but there's a nice broken white line divinding the roundabout into not one, but two, separate lanes, so even an idiot can tell where they're supposed to be... :rolleyes: (See my earlier comment about the racing line...)

But anyway... *also shrugs*

Sully

hanton12 wrote: »

that problem still happens tho when you really are turning right and using the right hand lane. Happened me on the Faronshonen (sp) roundabout and I was turning right, car on my left going straight, and the stupid aul bag just took the racing line and cut me up. I honestly dont know how the cars didnt clip. I slammed on the brakes, and the horn, and the stupid woman just looked at me as if to say,'what the hell do you think you are doing'.

Probably didn't realise you could do what you were doing. On some roundabouts you cant, and I assume she thought this was one of them. I always keep a close eye on the car beside on the roundabout just in case.

Too many people in this country dont know proceedure for roundabouts. Only a week or 2 ago on Ray Darcy someone asked what lane do you go in if its a 2 lane entry and one lane exit when you are going straight. The girl asking the question said the right lane, as did Jenny Kelly. When its the left lane you should be in. that summed it up for me. And we complain about roads and the governement etc. Its drivers that are at fault for the majority of accidents.

Yup. But the government is to blame for letting the problem go on so long. When it looks like something is finally being done about it, they delay the law until June. My guess is he will put it of again or the guards wont be bothered to enforce it.

For instance, I reported a car for dangerous driving yesterday. 4 lads in a small Toyota racing around the place, beeping horn and shouting at any female they saw in sight, taking bends far to sharp and quickly, driving into big puddles of Water etc. Got the reg, Garda on the phone looked it up and confirmed type of car. Said I wont make a complaint but to warn the driver.

Gardai came after a while and just watched the car as it parked. Said or did nothing. They drove of and so did the offending car, Gardai came back and spotted it twice but never once pulled it over.

I felt like I wasted my time reporting the driving when he was putting other people at risk by his stupid driving.

fricatus wrote: »

Yes indeed, but there's a nice broken white line divinding the roundabout into not one, but two, separate lanes, so even an idiot can tell where they're supposed to be... :rolleyes: (See my earlier comment about the racing line...)

But anyway... *also shrugs*

Welcome to Ireland. We don't have to be trained to drive, we can hop into a car and do what we want with no experience.

Maharet

I'm surprised someone hasn't had a really bad accident at the superquinn roundabout, I used to use it everyday to get home from work but gave up because I got sick of idiots pulling out in front of me when I was on the roundabout clearly indicating where I was going and had right of way, what is so difficult to understand about 'yield to the right'! :mad::rolleyes:

I hate when people do that thing at the lights going onto the bridge, I'm always in the left lane going out home and idiots try and cut into my lane because they were too stupid to get into the right lane further back down the quay. Although I think if the guards/traffic wardens bothered their holes doing anything about the illegal parking in the inside lane it would probably improve, the left lane going toward the bridge is unusable until you get past dooley's hotel and even then you'll have idiots parked in the clearway outside The Bridge Hotel. :rolleyes:

Bards

What is even worse are the queue jumpers comming in from Sallypark who use the Bridge Street ony lane and then try to get into the N25 (Cork/City)lane when on the Roundabout.:D

The amount of times I nearly had collisions there becuase of impatient jerks is unbelievable. I reported a Car transporter once who came within 2 inches of crushing me and do you think the guards did anything - No

And they wonder why there are so many accidetnts on our roads - Bad Driving, Pure and Simple.

Typhoon.

yeah whats with the outer ring road.....the rules of the road say you may use both lanes for going straight on onnce you leave the roundabout in the same lane you entered it in....you may noth use both lanes if road markings say differently....which is the case on the ORR...all the right hand lanes are marked with a right hand turn arrow.

now you have the situation of cars booting up the right lane and cutting in and braking hard before the roundabout....