"Racist" row: Finger-loss fraud

The family of Guy Wallace, the student assaulted in Dublin on St Patrick's Day, have issued a statement following the finding of the Gardaí that he lost his finger in an incident separate to the assault that was alleged to have occurred.

This is the statement in full from the parent’s of Guy Wallace, William and Lucy Wallace.

“On the night of the 17th of March Guy had spilt up from his friends, he was lost and very frightened after suffering an assault in a fast food restaurant where he received a ’head butt.’

“Due to this assault he was sufficiently traumatised to link the event with the terrible accident that took place minutes later and genuinely believed that he had lost his finger in that assault.

“However, in reality it seems that during his panic-stricken run from the incident he attempted to climb a mental fence, which resulted in the loss of his finger.

“All we want to do now is concentrate on Guy’s recovery from this terrible ordeal.”

From: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhojeyqleygb/

Methinks there's a lot more to this than meets the eye. On the radio there a little while ago they were a lot blunter in saying that basically he duped a lot of people into thinking that his finger was severed in the attack.

Sherifu

I hope they can finger someone for the attack. :pac:

Could be he was just so drunk he really didn't know what happened.

tolosenc

Where's the racism?

TPD

Sherifu wrote: »

I hope they can finger someone for the attack. :pac:

Could be he was just so drunk he really didn't know what happened.

:pac:

fobster

Those mental fences very dangerous those. Should have used the force.

cornbb

Deleted User wrote: »

Methinks there's a lot more to this than meets the eye. On the radio there a little while ago they were a lot blunter in saying that basically he duped a lot of people into thinking that his finger was severed in the attack.

I spotted that on the news, tis a funny one alright. Why would he run off and climb a fence after being assaulted? What would he have to gain from lying about how he lost the finger? Maybe he is trying to hide something he did himself, or maybe the statement is simply telling the truth.

FruitLover

obl wrote: »

Where's the racism?

He got his finger cut off by a pole.

The Hulkster

there are always some people who will point the finger........ LOL oops

obl

obl wrote: »

Where's the racism?

At the time, all the red-tops and the liberal left-wing pinko crusties pounced on this case as being a blatantly racist attack, with some sources claiming that they were calling him an "english fnck" or something to that effect. Especially seeing as he was somewhat of a talented pianist, they claimed that it must have been done on purpose.

Edit: Fruitlover obviously has his finger on the pulse. Genuine Lol.

tolosenc

Wait, his dad's name is William Wallace.

stevoman

FruitLover wrote: »

He got his finger cut off by a pole.

i thought it was a fence?

FruitLover

stevoman wrote: »

i thought it was a fence?

Sorry, not up to speed on this new-fangled racist slang!

Schism

FruitLover wrote: »

He got his finger cut off by a pole.

Hehe

They should go back to the scene, where the evidence is right at their finger tips.

stevoman

FruitLover wrote: »

Sorry, not up to speed on this new-fangled racist slang!

So so far we can point the finger at a polish fence!!!!! LOL

whiskeyman

Deleted User wrote: »

in a fast food restaurant where he received a ’head butt'.

Never knew McDonalds served them...

Kintarō Hattori

I hadn't heard about this as I was away on holidays last week. I've googled it and read the story. Where does the racisim element come into it?

Insect Overlord

whiskeyman wrote: »

Never knew McDonalds served them...

they're sold under the moniker of McHead-Butts:rolleyes:

navin.r.johnson

According to the kid a gang of five lads asked him where he was from. When he replied England they allegedly beat the tar out of him. Sounded a bit suspect from the off in that he said they actually ripped his finger off.
I wonder how good a piano player he was? Hopefully a very good one.

whiskeyman

whiskeyman wrote: »

Never knew McDonalds served them...

An Fhile wrote: »

they're sold under the moniker of McHead-Butts:rolleyes:

You just missed a classic opening to coin a new phrase, so allow me: McLoaf.

eo980 wrote: »

I hadn't heard about this as I was away on holidays last week. I've googled it and read the story. Where does the racisim element come into it?

see below...

Deleted User wrote: »

At the time, all the red-tops and the liberal left-wing pinko crusties pounced on this case as being a blatantly racist attack, with some sources claiming that they were calling him an "english fnck" or something to that effect. Especially seeing as he was somewhat of a talented pianist, they claimed that it must have been done on purpose.

Edit:

Hopefully a very good one

If it turns out that he deliberately tried to twist things so that it looked like an unprovoked racist in order to mask his own stupidity/drunkenness or for insurance fraud or something, then I agree. Whole-heartedly.

Kintarō Hattori

Thanks for the insight. It's certainly an odd situation.

jdivision

Deleted User wrote: »

At the time, all the red-tops and the liberal left-wing pinko crusties pounced on this case as being a blatantly racist attack, with some sources claiming that they were calling him an "english fnck" or something to that effect. Especially seeing as he was somewhat of a talented pianist, they claimed that it must have been done on purpose.

That's the story he made up after first telling the Gardai something else. They reported his story, when the cops cast doubts on it they immediately did too.

Wertz

Since when is beating up the English racist? Good clean fun more like!

Stercus Accidit

Hur hur, the shoe is on the other foot now :pac:

Wait shit...

kaimera

obl wrote: »

Wait, his dad's name is William Wallace.

This indeed is the crux of the matter! Good spot :pac:

KdjaCL

Where is this fence off just off o connell street?




kdjac

Run_to_da_hills

Good Job he wasn't picking his nose at the same time, he would have lost more than his finger :eek:

Nightwish

KdjaCL wrote: »

Where is this fence off just off o connell street?




kdjac

I think it was Britain Place, near Cathal Brugha st.

Peyton Manning

Nightwish wrote: »

I think it was Britain Place, near Cathal Brugha st.

Hmmm....you seem to know an awful lot about this incident.......


*shifty eyes*

Nightwish

So do RTE

Kipperhell

You would want to be pretty wasted to think you lost your finger in a fight and not notice it was when you tried to climbing fence.

He could possibly have had a concussion but it makes but it makes more sense a 17 old boy in Ireland on Paddy's day was wasted.

From the start you could tell the Gardai didn't believe him as they straight away questioned his story.

Guy:Incognito

obl wrote: »

Where's the racism?

N****R, C***K , W*P, P***Y, L***Y (edited for the PC brigade)

There you go.

lostexpectation

he was attacked

robinph

I can understand that loosing a finger could mess with his memory of the preceding incidents slightly as I imagine is stings just a touch. Was he actually attacked or was it more like his face was just a bit bruised from landing on it as he scaled the fence?

CantGetNoSleep

Wertz wrote: »

Since when is beating up the English racist? Good clean fun more like!

No its them coming over here that is

longshanks

i was in the sauna earlier and a few of the old lads in there were talking about it. one of them was giving all the details and he was saying... ' yeah it was a strange one, the guards went back and searched the place and found the finger still stuck on the fence, they couldn't believe that no birds or rats had eaten it'
without missing a beat another fella turns around to him and says... 'cant blame the rats, it was english'

Piste

Nightwish wrote: »

I think it was Britain Place.

Excellent.

the GALL

FruitLover wrote: »

He got his finger cut off by a pole.

i thought he blamed the Irish:D:D:D

df1985

pretty obvious he got pissed, hurt himself, couldnt admit it to his parents so he makes up an elaborate story and now its biting him in the ass, i used to do the same when i was 16/17.and they always found out the truth anyway.

Kold

FruitLover wrote: »

He got his finger cut off by a pole.

Quality.

buckfast4me

insurance fraud?

neacy69

buckfast4me wrote: »

insurance fraud?

now it all makes sense!!

Mizu_Ger

buckfast4me wrote: »

insurance fraud?

No thanks. I just had one.

Degsy

He just wanted to get out of the washing up for a while.

ShowmanBob

navin.r.johnson wrote: »

According to the kid a gang of five lads asked him where he was from. When he replied England they allegedly beat the tar out of him. Sounded a bit suspect from the off in that he said they actually ripped his finger off.
I wonder how good a piano player he was? Hopefully a very good one.

I think thats a very dispicable and inhumane thing to say, regarless of how he lost his finger he still a 17 year old pianist. He was attacked prior to the fall and he was "split from his friends" and "very frightened", the fact that he fell from 8ft fence does suggest concussion! Not to mention the post traumatic stress that losing a finger would give, when I cut my arm open 5 years ago I was stone cold sober and my mind still blocked the memories. Also I listened to him on the radio he never suggested racism, he just said they asked him where hes from (probably from the earlier attack) and he did say "at a guess" they ripped his finger off. Obviously very confused, thinking he knew more than he did!
My sympathies are still with him, and with William Wallace aka Braveheart as his father he should be alright!

Fratton Fred

ShowmanBob wrote: »

I think thats a very dispicable and inhumane thing to say, regarless of how he lost his finger he still a 17 year old pianist. He was attacked prior to the fall and he was "split from his friends" and "very frightened", the fact that he fell from 8ft fence does suggest concussion! Not to mention the post traumatic stress that losing a finger would give, when I cut my arm open 5 years ago I was stone cold sober and my mind still blocked the memories. Also I listened to him on the radio he never suggested racism, he just said they asked him where hes from (probably from the earlier attack) and he did say "at a guess" they ripped his finger off. Obviously very confused, thinking he knew more than he did!
My sympathies are still with him, and with William Wallace aka Braveheart as his father he should be alright!

That is why I was very disappointed with the headline in the herald today. they are making a big deal of the fact he lost his finger on the fence and airbrushing out the fact he was attacked. Regardless of how it happened, it was still pretty horrific.

Says a lot that beating up an Englishman cen be described as "Fun" and not get slated as well. If he was stabbed would his attack have been laughed at as well?

Dyr

only if he was stabbed in the finger

L1011

Now, why do I suspect the original headbutting (all they can see on CCTV) has nothing to do with him being English?

Fratton Fred

MYOB wrote: »

Now, why do I suspect the original headbutting (all they can see on CCTV) has nothing to do with him being English?

probably not, but it is irrelevant. he was attacked.

From what I read, the lad was pretty open and said he was asked where he was from and was then beaten up, he never said he was beaten up for being English It's the papers that have made a big thing out of this, not him.

The surgeon said it looked like his finger was bitten off, which he also said he didn't remember happening, if he wanted to make a big deal out of this, that would have been more dramatic.

christo82

i don't believe he had got the two incidents mixed together. I think he paniced and thought it would be easier to blame the loss of the finger on the attack than on an accident that happened later. He may have been stupidly embarassed about trying to climb the fence and falling.

Mizu_Ger

The whole pianist angle is being blown out of proportion. I heard him on Gerry Ryan the following day say that he plays the piano, but wasn't a concert pianist or even thinking of becoming one. The papers jumped on this as it makes for a better story.

Is there any indication as to why he was trying to jump the fence? Was he chased from MacD's? Its a decent run to Britain Place from MacD's on O'Connell Street.

seamus

Drunk 17-year-old English kid gets into a fight and it's our fault how? There are hundreds of thousands of English who manage weekly to not get into fights, so I'd be surprised if he was suddenly "set upon".

What in God's name was he doing climbing a fence? I can see how he might have ran, and kept running for half a km and ended up where he did. But an 8 foot fence? And by virtue of the fact that he didn't make it over the fence, yet managed to not get a beating, proves that he wasn't being chased.

Totally out of all proportion. Drunk kid makes an excuse for an injury (most of us have been there) and suddenly it's in the news so he can't go back on it, he can only bend the story a little.