Brushless buggy

The Doktor

Anyone using a brushless set up in their 4wd (or even 2wd) buggies? If so what ESC and motor have you gone with?
Thanks

vectra

The Doktor wrote: »

Anyone using a brushless set up in their 4wd (or even 2wd) buggies? If so what ESC and motor have you gone with?
Thanks

I have been using Brushless with a few months now in my sons 4wd Schumacher Mi2ec.
I used the Novak ss pro 13.5 swtup
Great little unit.. no complaints

Sold that setup

Got him a Schumacher Mi3 now and gonna go for the Speed Passion GT system now. i have read great reviews about it. Also going on Lipo batteries now. CoreRC 5000 Mah packs.
Will let you konw how it goes as I only ordered the lot today so should have it for next week :cool:

The Doktor

Sounds about what I was thinkin of goin for. Novak GTB or LRP Sphere ESC and Novak motor. Then I saw things like the Tekin R1 and got conflustered.
I want to get an ESC that I dont need to upgrade when I change motors (a few less turns).

vectra

Yeah. I dont think the Novak GTB had any motor limit.
Now
The speed passion gt has a nice feature of a hand held programming device instead of the old way of pressing buttons etc on the esc itself

*EDIT*

The Gran Turismo has been designed for competition touring car racing and can handle 2.5R brushless motors, or 4 turn brushed motors, and has a maximum output current of 600A. It comes with a built in green power feature that gives you consistent power delivery and longer run times, and it also allows you to adjust the brushless motor timing using its 8 built-in modes.

The Doktor

vectra wrote: »

Yeah. I dont think the Novak GTB had any motor limit.
Now
The speed passion gt has a nice feature of a hand held programming device instead of the old way of pressing buttons etc on the esc itself

*EDIT*

Have a look at the Tekin R1, you connect your laptop to it
Though if you try and find out how good they are on any forum Ive looked at, you get lots of factory drivers jumping in singing their praises. Id rather hear what the regular joe type driver has to say!

When I looked at the Speed Passion, I thought it was more aimed towards TC, but I was wrong on that.. ok another one to investigate.

lotus791

the novak stuff is by far the more popular in the north for brushless due to the price . never really saw any give trouble . i use the lrp tc spec one it blew up on the 2nd meeting but replaced under warranty has been as good as gold ever since.

The Doktor

Ok vectra, you convinced me...:D speed passion it is. Im always up for tryin new things..
but ill get it local as possible in case it blows up on me.
now... to find a buggy to put it in ...:D

vectra

The Doktor wrote: »

Ok vectra, you convinced me...:D speed passion it is. Im always up for tryin new things..
but ill get it local as possible in case it blows up on me.
now... to find a buggy to put it in ...:D

Most Local Place to buy would be from Schumacher, Thats where i got my one. { well had to really as they are my sons sponsor :cool: }

The Doktor

vectra wrote: »

Most Local Place to buy would be from Schumacher, Thats where i got my one. { well had to really as they are my sons sponsor :cool: }

Yeah, seems about the best. Theres very little price variation from any of the online retailers on it anyway.
Gonna order the buggy, and when I get that I`ll order the motor and esc.....
I might even treat meself to a new set of 2ch radio gear cos was thinkin of makin the leap from stick to wheel.
Master card is gonna love me!

vectra

The Doktor wrote: »

Yeah, seems about the best. Theres very little price variation from any of the online retailers on it anyway.
Gonna order the buggy, and when I get that I`ll order the motor and esc.....
I might even treat meself to a new set of 2ch radio gear cos was thinkin of makin the leap from stick to wheel.
Master card is gonna love me!

What buggy you going to go for?

The Doktor

vectra wrote: »

What buggy you going to go for?

You will see when i get it.. its a secret
But its not likely that ye see em around the tracks in ireland (i like to be different)

Its just that I got a cheap buggy for the young lad, and remembered how much craic they actually are.

right im off to decide on a transmitter...and order it

vectra

The Doktor wrote: »

You will see when i get it.. its a secret
But its not likely that ye see em around the tracks in ireland (i like to be different)

Its just that I got a cheap buggy for the young lad, and remembered how much craic they actually are.

right im off to decide on a transmitter...and order it

Hmm.
If you remember it then it must be old

Does it sound like this :

M****** C**** :rolleyes:

The Doktor

vectra wrote: »

Hmm.


Does it sound like this :

M****** C**** :rolleyes:

eh.. a wha??

The Doktor

In the intrest of showing off shiny blue alloy and cf bits.....
buggy.jpg

if you guess what it is, theres a cup of tea in it for ya...

vectra

The Doktor wrote: »

In the intrest of showing off shiny blue alloy and cf bits.....
buggy.jpg

if you guess what it is, theres a cup of tea in it for ya...

3 Guesses to narrow it down

Yokomo
Tamiya
Associated

:pac:

The Doktor

vectra wrote: »

3 Guesses to narrow it down

Yokomo
Tamiya
Associated

:pac:

Well if I tell you the brand, I may as well tell you exactly what it is...
Tamiya TRF 501 Worlds Edition

http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=49401

vectra

The Doktor wrote: »

Well if I tell you the brand, I may as well tell you exactly what it is...
Tamiya TRF 501 Worlds Edition

http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=49401

I wasnt far out :cool:

Anyhow,
I didnt want the Mug of tea beside it.. You put way too much milk in it..

I am thinking along the lines of a brushless buggy/Truggy now myself with the capacity now in Lipo's

Looks Nice.

The Doktor

So far it seems like a fantastic car, everything fits so well, and its super smooth. Im not gonna waste my time putting my older motors/ radio gear in to it. Ill just wait till I get the new stuff.
Gonna get a fuaba 2.4ghz stick radio, and if Schumacher ever the the Speed passion GT in stock, ill go with that too.

Mickb

Are you looking to race it?

MiCk B. :-)

The Doktor

Mickb wrote: »

Are you looking to race it?

MiCk B. :-)

That would be the plan alright. Not planning to win anything, but race all the same.
Was actually over at yer track in griffeen today having a look, very nice!

The Doktor

I decided to get all arty on the body of the 501.....
Pic isnt the best, its actually met blue and met purple...

body.jpg

vectra

The Doktor wrote: »

I decided to get all arty on the body of the 501.....
Pic isnt the best, its actually met blue and met purple...

body.jpg

Not bad at all.:cool:

The Doktor

Here is a few better pics...
With out body, or electrics. (Im waiting for new tyres, I couldnt put old dirty ones on it)
1.jpg

All together

2.jpg

As I will spend a lot of time upside down, it will still look kinda cool...

3.jpg

vectra

The Doktor wrote: »

Here is a few better pics...
With out body, or electrics. (Im waiting for new tyres, I couldnt put old dirty ones on it)
1.jpg

All together

2.jpg

As I will spend a lot of time upside down, it will still look kinda cool...

3.jpg

LOL
Ilike the upside down one :pac:

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

Kewl, great paint job, nice looking buggy.

Karmahkid

vectra wrote: »

I have been using Brushless with a few months now in my sons 4wd Schumacher Mi2ec.
I used the Novak ss pro 13.5 swtup
Great little unit.. no complaints

Sold that setup

Got him a Schumacher Mi3 now and gonna go for the Speed Passion GT system now. i have read great reviews about it. Also going on Lipo batteries now. CoreRC 5000 Mah packs.
Will let you konw how it goes as I only ordered the lot today so should have it for next week :cool:

Hey there Vectra,

I came upon this post and saw you were in the process of purchasing the Grand Turismo Speed Passion GT brushless ESC. I am also in the market for a new ESC for my Associated T4 here in the US. I currently have the Valineon VXL-3, which is a great unit, just looking for programability on top of sensored/sensorless compatibnility. I was wondering if you actually bought the Speed Passion and what were your thoughts on it? I have 3 lipo's that I use (2 2S 4800's and 1 3S 3200). I also found it here for purchase - http://nexusracing.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=52&products_id=1627&osCsid=568a695ddb31ceed690d1d1c6f120c0d

Thanks!
Jeremy D.

vectra

Karmahkid wrote: »

Hey there Vectra,

I came upon this post and saw you were in the process of purchasing the Grand Turismo Speed Passion GT brushless ESC. I am also in the market for a new ESC for my Associated T4 here in the US. I currently have the Valineon VXL-3, which is a great unit, just looking for programability on top of sensored/sensorless compatibnility. I was wondering if you actually bought the Speed Passion and what were your thoughts on it? I have 3 lipo's that I use (2 2S 4800's and 1 3S 3200). I also found it here for purchase - http://nexusracing.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=52&products_id=1627&osCsid=568a695ddb31ceed690d1d1c6f120c0d

Thanks!
Jeremy D.

Hey bud,
Aint it a small world now :cool:
Anyhow as the story goes i got the GT esc ( V 1.1 )
Got some Core RC 5000Mah Lipos and my new 13.5 SP Motor ( revised version ) is currently on its way to me so should be able to stick it all together this week.
Will let you know how it goes then

Cheers

Karmahkid

vectra wrote: »

Hey bud,
Aint it a small world now :cool:
Anyhow as the story goes i got the GT esc ( V 1.1 )
Got some Core RC 5000Mah Lipos and my new 13.5 SP Motor ( revised version ) is currently on its way to me so should be able to stick it all together this week.
Will let you know how it goes then

Cheers

A small world it is. I think this whole internet thing is going to be a big deal someday...;)haha. Sounds good, let me know what you come up with. I may just pick one up this week. Also, I just PM's you because I have the patience of an 8 yr old, lo, so just disregard.

Thanks agian!

vectra

No prob bud,
Will keep you informed :cool:

The Doktor

I got my Speed Passion GT in the post today. All I can tell you is ... it looks nice!
I wont be putting in in until I have the new reciever with the Futaba 3GR, which im still waiting on

vectra

The Doktor wrote: »

I got my Speed Passion GT in the post today. All I can tell you is ... it looks nice!
I wont be putting in in until I have the new reciever with the Futaba 3GR, which im still waiting on

Looks nice and performs well also with a 27t brushed motor
Still waiting on my 13.5,, should be here tomroow hopefully.

The Doktor

vectra wrote: »

Looks nice and performs well also with a 27t brushed motor
Still waiting on my 13.5,, should be here tomroow hopefully.

I went for a SP 10.5 just for fun.

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

I just got my first elec. buggy there on Fridday, with a Reedy radon 17-turn 30,000 rpm.
It's a lot of fun but lacking some straight line speed. I was thinking (some time in the future, ie: when my credit card cools off) of getting a Navak Velociti brushless system. I was looking at the 5.5R motor as I could also use it for touring car, if/when I get around to getting one.
I would get it with the GTB Racing ESC,would this setup be sutable for both?

I'd say it will be a while off before I could afford it though:(

Karmahkid

FuzzyWuzzyWazza wrote: »

I just got my first elec. buggy there on Fridday, with a Reedy radon 17-turn 30,000 rpm.
It's a lot of fun but lacking some straight line speed. I was thinking (some time in the future, ie: when my credit card cools off) of getting a Navak Velociti brushless system. I was looking at the 5.5R motor as I could also use it for touring car, if/when I get around to getting one.
I would get it with the GTB Racing ESC,would this setup be sutable for both?

I'd say it will be a while off before I could afford it though:(

The Novak GTB Velociti systems are fantastic at just about everything...except....no 3S, no sensorless (not that sensoreless is better than sensored) and no PC connection or handheld tuner for "fine" tuning. If those arent features youre interested in, then by all means Novak is top shelf. You could go anywhere from the 5.5 down to the 3.5 for touring cars. I was actually thinking of going with the Novak's but I already have the Traxxas Velineon with a couple 3S packs so I didnt want to go backwards in features.

vectra

The Doktor wrote: »

I went for a SP 10.5 just for fun.

Oh yeah..!!

Fuzzywuzzywazza wrote:

I just got my first elec. buggy there on Fridday, with a Reedy radon 17-turn 30,000 rpm.
It's a lot of fun but lacking some straight line speed. I was thinking (some time in the future, ie: when my credit card cools off) of getting a Navak Velociti brushless system. I was looking at the 5.5R motor as I could also use it for touring car, if/when I get around to getting one.
I would get it with the GTB Racing ESC,would this setup be sutable for both?

Where would you be racing the touring car?
I assume you realisr just how fast that would be ?:rolleyes:

Mickb

FuzzyWuzzyWazza wrote: »

......... getting a Navak Velociti brushless system. I was looking at the 5.5R motor as I could also use it for touring car, if/when I get around to getting one.
I would get it with the GTB Racing ESC,would this setup be sutable for both?

I'd say it will be a while off before I could afford it though:(

Hey,

The 5.5R (L) in 2wd is far too much of a motor. In Lucan I'd run a 7.5R in 2wd and in Navan a 6.5, but if the traction is low in Navan the a 7.5 would be quicker.

We've tried back to back testing in Lucan with a 6.5 & 7.5, the 7.5 leaves the car much more drivable. It doesn't feel as quick, but it shows in the laptimes.

I've run a 5.5 in 2wd in Navan. It was quick in a straight line. But was a lot of work to get around the track.

A 5.5 works well in 4wd.

(I've a Novak GTB in both the 2wd & 4wd)


MiCk B. :-)

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

vectra wrote: »

Where would you be racing the touring car?
I assume you realisr just how fast that would be ?:rolleyes:

I haven't really got a clue where the touring cars are raced, so I'm not sure, do the race elec on St. Anns or is that just nitro?

No idea how fast it would be, but sounds like too fast. It is probably a while off before I can afford a touring chassie anyway:(

Mickb wrote: »

Hey,

The 5.5R (L) in 2wd is far too much of a motor. In Lucan I'd run a 7.5R in 2wd and in Navan a 6.5, but if the traction is low in Navan the a 7.5 would be quicker.

We've tried back to back testing in Lucan with a 6.5 & 7.5, the 7.5 leaves the car much more drivable. It doesn't feel as quick, but it shows in the laptimes.

I've run a 5.5 in 2wd in Navan. It was quick in a straight line. But was a lot of work to get around the track.

A 5.5 works well in 4wd.

(I've a Novak GTB in both the 2wd & 4wd)

MiCk B. :-)

Sounds like the 7.5 is the way to go then, how would this perform in a touring car? Considering I am a noob I suppose it would be enough power.

I'll just have to live with my 17 turn for a while :D

vectra

FuzzyWuzzyWazza wrote: »

I haven't really got a clue where the touring cars are raced, so I'm not sure, do the race elec on St. Anns or is that just nitro?

No idea how fast it would be, but sounds like too fast. It is probably a while off before I can afford a touring chassie anyway:(


Sounds like the 7.5 is the way to go then, how would this perform in a touring car? Considering I am a noob I suppose it would be enough power.

I'll just have to live with my 17 turn for a while :D

If you can manage to get to Lucan some Sunday they run Touring Cars (Mick or Bonisio will confirm this )

They only run 13.5 Brushless or 27turn Brushed motor class. ( In the north they run 105 Brushless or 19t brushed motors )

So being realistic the 7.5 will only be of use to you for offroad with Mick in Dublin Model Car Club.

Hope that helps you.

Mickb

vectra wrote: »

So being realistic the 7.5 will only be of use to you for offroad with Mick in Dublin Model Car Club.

Or in Navan.

vectra wrote: »

If you can manage to get to Lucan some Sunday they run Touring Cars (Mick or Bonisio will confirm this )

I've no idea on this.

A good up grade to the 17T motor that you have would be a 'race' 19t.
The Checkpoint 19t would be my advice.

MiCk B. :-)

bonisio

At the moment there is no racing in Lucan/Celbridge (there was racing in the Mill Centre over the winter) but plans are a foot to run EP touring cars out at St.Annes. We tested a 10.5 brushless motor with correct gearing in an S400 last weekend at St. Annes and it was very nice to drive.

Also looking at an outdoor venue in the Maynooth area for some mid week evening racing.

Will keep you posted.

vectra

bonisio wrote: »

At the moment there is no racing in Lucan/Celbridge (there was racing in the Mill Centre over the winter) but plans are a foot to run EP touring cars out at St.Annes. We tested a 10.5 brushless motor with correct gearing in an S400 last weekend at St. Annes and it was very nice to drive.

Also looking at an outdoor venue in the Maynooth area for some mid week evening racing.

Will keep you posted.

Sounds interesting for the summer.

How smooth would the surface have to be?
I am thinking Stones Vs Belts :eek:

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

Cool Oisin keep us posted.

Mick thanks for the motor tip, now all I need is some spare change.

Mickb

FuzzyWuzzyWazza wrote: »

Mick thanks for the motor tip, now all I need is some spare change.

No problem anything else just ask.

MiCk B. :-)

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

Just thought I would post a short clip of my B4

mole2k

Mickb wrote: »

Hey,

The 5.5R (L) in 2wd is far too much of a motor. In Lucan I'd run a 7.5R in 2wd and in Navan a 6.5, but if the traction is low in Navan the a 7.5 would be quicker.

We've tried back to back testing in Lucan with a 6.5 & 7.5, the 7.5 leaves the car much more drivable. It doesn't feel as quick, but it shows in the laptimes.

I've run a 5.5 in 2wd in Navan. It was quick in a straight line. But was a lot of work to get around the track.

A 5.5 works well in 4wd.

(I've a Novak GTB in both the 2wd & 4wd)


MiCk B. :-)

Hi Mick, is there regular 1/10th racing at Navan at the moment. Im dying to get my 501x WE out of the hall for a change. Only got a novak 4.5R or an LRP Eraser 10.5 so I either have no power or insane power :P

A few shots of my buggy, Running an LRP Sphere 2007 TC with the 10.5t for the indoor racing.

vectra

Any update Dok ??

The Doktor

vectra wrote: »

Any update Dok ??

Well, it seems the futaba 3gr 2.4ghz is pretty difficult to get! Im still waiting on it to come back into stock. Seems like they are hens teeth
I am hearing the beginning of this month. If I dont have anything shortly, I can see myself looking at some alternative.
I cant be bothered setting it up with the cheaper 27mhz radio gear, just doesnt seem right!

Though I have the speed passion motor and esc in my clutches!

vectra

The Doktor wrote: »

Well, it seems the futaba 3gr 2.4ghz is pretty difficult to get! Im still waiting on it to come back into stock. Seems like they are hens teeth
I am hearing the beginning of this month. If I dont have anything shortly, I can see myself looking at some alternative.
I cant be bothered setting it up with the cheaper 27mhz radio gear, just doesnt seem right!

Though I have the speed passion motor and esc in my clutches!

Must be great to have patience..:o

The Doktor

vectra wrote: »

Must be great to have patience..:o

I dont when it involves waitin for orders!! 16th of july is the date the stuff will be available. If its not ready then, Futaba can f*** off, and ill get meself the ko propo gear instead !:D

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

there is no way I would be able to wait that long!!!

vectra

I am joining the Possie.
I have bought 2 Factory Team B4 Buggies and am going Brushless with both
Will update as i go