Fat Burners

godtabh

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At these things any good? Any one ever used them? Would any one recommend them (or similar)?

NicheG

I took a course of the Thermobol tabs roughly this time last year as I was trying to lose about three stone at the time. I eventually managed to lose about 39lbs (just short of three stone). Mind you I ate very well and I practically lived in the gym over that period of time.
I won't mention the fact that I put about 75% of that 39lbs back on again since Autumn 07, but thats for another's day's discussion.
I took a tab three times daily.
However I was very sceptical that the Thermobol significantly speeded up the fat burning process, so its difficult to say if they were any good or not??

Is it an appetite supressant (which I did'nt seem to think worked) or is a supplement that aids just fat burning??

godtabh

NicheG wrote: »

Is it an appetite supressant (which I did'nt seem to think worked) or is a supplement that aids just fat burning??

Do you mean is it appetite supressant or is a supplement that aids just fat burning I'm looking for?

I'm just looking for a bit of extra help with the fat burning.

If something like this helped I'd give it a go but haven never taken any supliments in the past so its all new to me

g'em

There's some more discussion about fat-burners (& supplements in general) in this thread.

Loooooong story short though: fat-burners and/ or thermogens will work, but only if your diet and training are fairly top-notch anyway. If those aren't up to scratch you'll learn a fairly expensive "g'em told you so" lesson, and as much as I like to be right and engineers to be wrong you'd be bettr off spending the €50 a month that the pills would cost on wholefoods that will improve your diet and give you a multitude of health benefits.

I've given up using them now, no matter what brand I take within three days I stop being able to sleep so it's just not worth it. Fish oils and green tea are my fat loss supplements and they're doing the job nicely.

godtabh

g'em wrote: »

There's some more discussion about fat-burners (& supplements in general) in this thread.

Loooooong story short though: fat-burners and/ or thermogens will work, but only if your diet and training are fairly top-notch anyway. If those aren't up to scratch you'll learn a fairly expensive "g'em told you so" lesson, and as much as I like to be right and engineers to be wrong you'd be bettr off spending the €50 a month that the pills would cost on wholefoods that will improve your diet and give you a multitude of health benefits.

I've given up using them now, no matter what brand I take within three days I stop being able to sleep so it's just not worth it. Fish oils and green tea are my fat loss supplements and they're doing the job nicely.

What would you recomemend taking instead? I dont drink tea or coffee so green tea is out.

PS Engineers are never wrong just badly informed

g'em

kearnsr wrote: »

What would you recomemend taking instead? I dont drink tea or coffee so green tea is out.

You can take green tea extract as a supplement, a jaor of 60 capsules costs in or around €15-18. But your diet will be responsible for most of your fat loss, the exercise you do enhances that, and a supplement will account for a 2.3% extra difference.

So the real question is how's your diet? And more specifically how much protein and good fats do you get into you every day?

kearnsr wrote:

PS Engineers are never wrong just badly informed

Is that what yore ma told you?

I'm sorry, I couldn't help it

godtabh

My diet would be normally as follows

Porridge with honey during the week. Crunchy Nut cornfalkes at the weekend unless I've a match on Sunday.

Roll with either ham and cheese or tuna with light maynoniasse and bag of popcorn when at work. At home its usually tesco organic soup.

Potaoes meat and vegatables once a week.

Pasta, tuna sweetcorn, onion, red peper and olive oil usually about twice a week

Rice, chikcen, onion, red peper and olive oil usually about twice a week

Pizza once a week.

Usually have a couple of drinks at the weekend maybe 10 points on Friday and Saturday or just a couple on Friday if there is a game Sunday.

And there is usually one day I don’t cook dinner.

Training usually involves 4 mile run most days and when I get into it weight training in the mornings and running in the evenings.

Soccer training once a week with a game most Sundays

No more ma jokes. Dont want to get it to it as anything that I'd come back would be just way over your head

Wood

Sort out your diet before you try any fat burners.

You eat the average builders diet, and to be honest you won't get anywhere with that.

Ditch the beer altogether, and the mayo, and the roll, and anything else that isn't green or was once alive. Keep all grains wholegrain, if you have to have that sambo, or the pasta.

Find your BMR and deduct 500 calories a day work it out, divide your meals up to about 5 a day, and you'll lose about a 10 pounds a month hopefully without losing muscle, and you'll also gain speed and endurance for your sports.

What sort of resistance training are you doing? Is it a basic split? Or something more sports based?

g'em

kearnsr wrote: »

My diet would be normally as follows

Your diet is largely full of sugars and simple carbs. When you're looking to lose this can cause problems as your body has a tendency to treat carb-based foods a little differently to protein or fat-based foods, and not in a good way (at least not where fat loss in concerned anyway!).

Crunchy nut cornflakes? Sugar; stick to porridge and perhaps add some dried fruit instead of honey for taste.

Rolls? Simple and crappy carbs. Try wholemeal bread or pita, or have the tuna and/ or egg with salad instead.

You're overly dependent on pasta and rice, swap it for big plates of vegetables instead. Knocking the pizza on the head would be a good idea too, or at least limit it to a couple of slices every two weeks.

godtabh

I can understand about the pizzas and they can be cut out.

The bread doesnt bother me so thats an easy change. I use low fat mayo all the time so hopefuly that is a good thing.

I dont understand why the rice and pasta is a bad thing.

Like tonight I had past with tuna, sweetcorn, red peppers, onions, cherry tomatoes and corriander with some lemon juice.

I thought that was a decent enough dinner and I'll have the same tomorrow as I've made enough for two nights.
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g'em

kearnsr wrote: »

I dont understand why the rice and pasta is a bad thing

It's not necessarily bad, it's just not optimal for your goals.

Rice and pasta are both carbs (obviously) whose use in the body is for energy. If you consume more "energy" than you need, your body finds it very easy to store the excess as fat. Both rice and pasta are very calorie dense in comparison to many other foods so a serving sizes should really be very small. Irish people generally don't know what 'small' is where pasta and rice are concerned and so we tend to eat waaaay more than we need to.

If you were an endurance athlete or you trained a lot and often then sure, lots of pasta and rice would probably be warranted, but if you're someone who wants to lose fat (which you've said you are!) then there are better ways to get your calorie quotient. I'm not saying carb-free diets are the way to go, but a lower carb diet would help you along the way. Your porridge, plenty of fruit, oodles of veg and the occasional sandwich/ small pasta/ rice serving will give you more than enough energy and basing each meal around carbs as you tend to do now is total overkill. Plus our pasta and rice often come from poor quality sources (i.e. white, overly refined, processed grains).

There's also an insulin manipulation issue when you eat too many carbs but that's a whole other post for another day

g'em

Fill yourself up on nutrition dense, calorie sparse vegetables and help keep your blood sugar levels nice and stable with protien at each meal. Restrict the carbs to before and after a workout which is when you'll actually need them. The rest of the time make your body work harder and provide it with good fats and protein for energy and keep your metabolism working hard.

godtabh

So what would you suggest for a decent dinner?

g'em

Dude, have you not paid any attention to the challenge thread?!?

Vegetables & meat.

This evening I had chicken with onions, sweetcorn, mushrooms, peppers & salsa - massive portion, ate two hours ago and I'm still full.

Tomorrow I'm having homemade burgers with roast vegetables; the day after probably some salmon with steamed baby sweetcorn, peas, broccoli and mange tout; the day that after perhaps a huuuuge beef stir-fry (just without the rice).

Any of that sound appealing?

godtabh

g'em wrote: »

Dude, have you not paid any attention to the challenge thread?!?

Vegetables & meat.

This evening I had chicken with onions, sweetcorn, mushrooms, peppers & salsa - massive portion, ate two hours ago and I'm still full.

Tomorrow I'm having homemade burgers with roast vegetables; the day after probably some salmon with steamed baby sweetcorn, peas, broccoli and mange tout; the day that after perhaps a huuuuge beef stir-fry (just without the rice).

Any of that sound appealing?

Yeah I've been reading it but its all going in one ear and out the other I'll try and get abit more focused on it.

A lot of prep work there by the sounds of it. How long does it take to do all that?

g'em

kearnsr wrote: »

Yeah I've been reading it but its all going in one ear and out the other I'll try and get abit more focused on it.

At least you're honest about it

kearnsr wrote:

A lot of prep work there by the sounds of it. How long does it take to do all that?

Not as much as you'd think. Chopping the veg, cooking it and cooking the meat usually takes no longer than 20 minutes - a stir-fry will only take ten minutes! Each evening I make enough for two meals (one half for lunch, one for dinner) and I'm sorted, 'tis very easy altogether.

Nevyn

You mean the story about eatin ice cream using up as much calories as is in it isn't true ???

godtabh

g'em wrote: »

Not as much as you'd think. Chopping the veg, cooking it and cooking the meat usually takes no longer than 20 minutes - a stir-fry will only take ten minutes! Each evening I make enough for two meals (one half for lunch, one for dinner) and I'm sorted, 'tis very easy altogether.

What about the mess after? Thats a fcuking killer

BraziliaNZ

The mess! The hassle!!! ARRRGH!
Jesus for someone who wants to lose weight you're not being very enthusiastic are you?!
I cook stir fry most nights with Chicken/lean beef/pork and red pepper, green pepper, , shrooms, onion, about 200g frozen stir fry veg, maybe a chilli, and then add in some bean sprouts at the end. Use teriyaki or black bean sauce or something like that, you don't need much of it for it to taste good and not many calories. It's so delicious I don't get fed up with it.
And all you need is a chopping board and a wok. Mine is ready in 20 mins then I have but a plate and a wok to clean afterwards. Get yourself a good telfal one and you're laughing.

godtabh

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

The mess! The hassle!!! ARRRGH!
Jesus for someone who wants to lose weight you're not being very enthusiastic are you?!
I cook stir fry most nights with Chicken/lean beef/pork and red pepper, green pepper, , shrooms, onion, about 200g frozen stir fry veg, maybe a chilli, and then add in some bean sprouts at the end. Use teriyaki or black bean sauce or something like that, you don't need much of it for it to taste good and not many calories. It's so delicious I don't get fed up with it.
And all you need is a chopping board and a wok. Mine is ready in 20 mins then I have but a plate and a wok to clean afterwards. Get yourself a good telfal one and you're laughing.

The mess bit was meant to be a a joke.

My stir fry would have the same in it except the mushrooms (cant stand them)

g'em

Thaedydal wrote: »

You mean the story about eatin ice cream using up as much calories as is in it isn't true ???

lol, if only it were true...

The person who invents negative calorie ice-cream will someday rule the world. Fact.

guile45

ok i hope some of u guys are still here...this was a very interestin thread i learned a lot..i am training very seriously the last 12 weeks but have a problem around the gut area, i just cannot shift this gut, i am developin my muscularity but can't get shredded..gonna give a sample of my diet (now i have taken what u guys said on board but could reall do with more help diet wise) i will also include my training too if that helps

ok breakfast is bowl of oats with honey, 1/4 pint of pomegranete juice
protein shake, vitamin c/zince supplement mixed with water (approx 1/2pint)

lunches: quarter pounders, fozen beef steaks -cooked on george foreman
tuna, sweetcorn, boiled egss (no yokes) on multigrain bread

dinners: 1.half tin beans, spicy bean burger 2 fish fillets (at least twice a week)
2. 6 chicken breasts, uncle bens sauce, added frozen veg, wholegrain rice..serves as one big dinner, two snacks (lunches)

3. spag bolognese - 800g mince, dolmio sauce, garlic, onions

in case of needin a fast meal i always have a thin base goodfellas delicia in the freezer, but maybe eat one every month. if i have to eat out i choose subway.cuttin down on alcohol.currently drink once a week (if that)

training: monday : abs, chest, triceps followed by 3km run
tues: legs, 15 mins rowing machine and 1 hour swim
wed: bi's back and shoulders - 15 mins rowing machine and 3km run
thurs: 6kn and sometimes 1 hour swim
friday: pick a body part and work it real heavy weights, 1.5km run

where am i goin wrong?i take a protein shake with brekkie and b4 bed
take my creatine as prescribed
i am developin after these 12 weeks but the gut is just not responding
arms are toning and i am bulking but it looks like i have a muscly gut lol
help???