China and the Olympics.

Deliverance

What does it mean to you. How do ye feel about this fiasco?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

be hilarious if a load of taiwanese nationalists got gold medals.

Adam

There's another thread (at least one). Search is your friend.

And what do you feel?

Rb

Deliverance wrote: »

What does it mean to you. How do ye feel about this fiasco?

I feel that someone who's been here a year should know how to search for a thread.
I feel that someone who uses boards at least once a week should have seen one of the many threads on this already.
I feel that this thread was created out of laziness.
I feel that it should be merged to/along with the others to create a mega-thread where all things China Olympics should be discussed.


How do you feel?

leninbenjamin

Deliverance wrote: »

How do ye feel about this fiasco?

athletics makes for really really boring TV.

Deliverance

Mirror wrote: »

There's another thread (at least one). Search is your friend.

And what do you feel?

I feel angry about China I feel that if unchallenged that it validates their opression. And this leads to a world belief that this kind of opression is OK in the eyes of the world. This is my view on the current situation and I think that they are wrong. I can express this point of view without fear of arrest and I want my kids to be able to do the same without the current fear climate that is China.

The fact that an opressive country has been given the Olymics is only an indication that they have been given said Olympic Status due to their econmic potential status over the real spirit of the games. That in itself is an indication that corporate interests are shadowing the games. Eveyone in the know, knows that Chinas huge population is ripe for the taking.

Tis no wonder that google have 'hanged' dissidents by revealing their
identities to the Chinese authorities on request of their IP adress. Yep they have stooped that far for potential profit.

Everyone is stooping to the Chinese way, based on profit. They are to big (economically) to ignore. You do the math.

Wurly

Deliverance wrote: »

I feel angry about China I feel that if unchallenged that it validates their opression. And this leads to a world belief that this kind of opression is OK in the eyes of the world. This is my view on the current situation and I think that they are wrong. I can express this point of view without fear of arrest and I want my kids to be able to do the same without the current fear climate that is China.

The fact that an opressive country has been given the Olymics is only an indication that they have been given said Olympic Status due to their econmic potential status over the real spirit of the games. That in itself is an indication that corporate interests are shadowing the games. Eveyone in the know, knows that Chinas huge population is ripe for the taking.

Tis no wonder that google have 'hanged' dissidents by revealing their
identities to the Chinese authorities on request of their IP adress. Yep they have stooped that far for potential profit.

Everyone is stooping to the Chinese way, based on profit. They are to big (economically) to ignore. You do the math.

+1

One thing that really disturbed me is that they chose to show pre-recorded footage on the news and not show the people the real violence that was going on in Tibet. Its madness the level of propaganda that exists in China. Slightly off topic sorry. But it seriously gave me the willies. Like the bleedin Truman Show or Something.

Mossy Monk

I feel indifferent

Pherekydes

It'll be great for the whole country (China, that is). The authorities will upgrade the facilities all over the place. I'm sure many teams will have their pre-Olympic holding camps in various Chinese cities, like Lhasa for example. I'll bet the Irish could get cheap accommodation there. Good for altitude training, too.

biko

Chinese, political and doping controversy in 2008

ScumLord

I feel sad and alone.



I also feel like I need a poo but I think I'll wait till I get home.

Fratton Fred

Deliverance wrote: »

The fact that an opressive country has been given the Olymics is only an indication that they have been given said Olympic Status due to their econmic potential status over the real spirit of the games. That in itself is an indication that corporate interests are shadowing the games. Eveyone in the know, knows that Chinas huge population is ripe for the taking.

Not exactly a precedent though is it.

The Olympics is supposed to surpass politics and bring the world together, but that doesn't seem possible any more.

Kev_ps3

Deliverance wrote: »

I feel angry about China I feel that if unchallenged that it validates their opression. And this leads to a world belief that this kind of opression is OK in the eyes of the world. This is my view on the current situation and I think that they are wrong. I can express this point of view without fear of arrest and I want my kids to be able to do the same without the current fear climate that is China.

The fact that an opressive country has been given the Olymics is only an indication that they have been given said Olympic Status due to their econmic potential status over the real spirit of the games. That in itself is an indication that corporate interests are shadowing the games. Eveyone in the know, knows that Chinas huge population is ripe for the taking.

Tis no wonder that google have 'hanged' dissidents by revealing their
identities to the Chinese authorities on request of their IP adress. Yep they have stooped that far for potential profit.

Everyone is stooping to the Chinese way, based on profit. They are to big (economically) to ignore. You do the math.

They might be oppressing people, but at least they are not invading other countrys and killing hundreds of thousands of people from Iraq. By your logic, maby we should ban the US from taking part.
And im looking forward to it..

Dinter

I think all the athletes should do their events using a Wii console.

thefinalstage

China and the olympics? I think we will at last get to see wing hu ge. The 9 foot steroid pumped midget.

MCMLXXXIII

Every country is different. The olympics travels to show the different cultures of the world and how it all works together. Different things work for different countries, and most Chinese citizens are happy just to be working. That doesn't make it right, and I disagree with how they do it, but China has more money than anyone had imagined. I am hoping for a revolution soon (without an intervention from the US), because that's the only way it will change for a long period of time.

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

They might be oppressing people, but at least they are not invading other countrys and killing hundreds of thousands of people from Iraq. By your logic, maby we should ban the US from taking part.

He's got a point.

Deliverance wrote: »

...I feel that if unchallenged that it validates their opression.

China doesn't care if their opression is validated or not. They will continue opressing until there is a revolution big enough that they can't run the crowd over with tanks (like they did during the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989).

Deliverance wrote: »

And this leads to a world belief that this kind of opression is OK in the eyes of the world..

...OR it might show the world (such as an overconfidant US) how bad it can really get, and to be thankful for the country we live in and the social wealth we were so lucky to be born into. It might even convince people to buy products that are made with care in a first world country, rathen than support the oppression and complete disregard for a clean planet that we all need to live on together.

Deliverance wrote: »

The fact that an opressive country has been given the Olymics is only an indication that they have been given said Olympic Status due to their econmic potential status over the real spirit of the games.

What is the spirit of the games? Working hard and making it to the top? Isn't that was China is doing (economically) right now? China is bringin it all to the table, and showing up everyone that tries to compete. Why not the same for sports?

Deliverance wrote: »

Tis no wonder that google have 'hanged' dissidents by revealing their
identities to the Chinese authorities on request of their IP adress. Yep they have stooped that far for potential profit.

Right now, Google's stock is worth around $450 on the NASDAQ, with about 2 million shares in circulation. Google has a social responsibility to the public to keep profits up so their stock stays valuable. If Google loses a ton of money and crashes, that would bring the market from $2300 to $1850, which would ripple to everything else in New York, and perhaps across the world. (This is why I don't trust the stock market, or publicly traded companies) Google needs to keep business flowing in to keep their status...and at least it's not Made in China.

Deliverance wrote: »

Everyone is stooping to the Chinese way, based on profit. They are to big (economically) to ignore. You do the math.

Right on. Try to have Jaguar compete with Infinity. Jag sells one car for £65 000 and then gets £65 000. Infinity sells a car for £65 000 and gets ¥13 000 000 back in their homeland. Average English salary: £50 000. Average Japanese salary: ¥3.5M. ¥3.5M = £15 000. £50 000 = ¥10M.

How about you do the math?

Heisenberg.

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Beelzebub

rb_ie wrote: »

I feel that someone who's been here a year should know how to search for a thread.
I feel that someone who uses boards at least once a week should have seen one of the many threads on this already.
I feel that this thread was created out of laziness.
I feel that it should be merged to/along with the others to create a mega-thread where all things China Olympics should be discussed.


How do you feel?

Ditto.

Merge it now Mods.

MoominPapa

Is there going to be synchronised swimming this time? Cause if there isn't boycott away....

JimmyCrackCorn!

Chinese oppression? What oppression? Tibet?

Tibet has been a part of china while the Romans were killing Scotsmen.

Dig a little deeper and stop buying mass media crap.

As for china being oppressive meh! No worse than the US but you don't give them credit for the strides they have made it was 100times worse.
It is also continuing to improve.

Plenty of failed north african states that could use a little attention

Kev_ps3

JimmyCrackCorn! wrote: »

Chinese oppression? What oppression? Tibet?

Tibet has been a part of china while the Romans were killing Scotsmen.

Dig a little deeper and stop buying mass media crap.

As for china being oppressive meh! No worse than the US but you don't give them credit for the strides they have made it was 100times worse.
It is also continuing to improve.

Plenty of failed north african states that could use a little attention

Exactly.
The west is scared ****less of China. If it isnt their human rights record its lead in toys. We need to wake up and read between the lines.

Ivan

Deliverance wrote: »

I feel angry about China I feel that if unchallenged that it validates their opression. And this leads to a world belief that this kind of opression is OK in the eyes of the world. This is my view on the current situation and I think that they are wrong. I can express this point of view without fear of arrest and I want my kids to be able to do the same without the current fear climate that is China.

The fact that an opressive country has been given the Olymics is only an indication that they have been given said Olympic Status due to their econmic potential status over the real spirit of the games. That in itself is an indication that corporate interests are shadowing the games. Eveyone in the know, knows that Chinas huge population is ripe for the taking.

Tis no wonder that google have 'hanged' dissidents by revealing their
identities to the Chinese authorities on request of their IP adress. Yep they have stooped that far for potential profit.

Everyone is stooping to the Chinese way, based on profit. They are to big (economically) to ignore. You do the math.

But clearly it is ok, the US have been oppressing (and worse) people in a similar manner for years... albeit with a better PR manager

JimmyCrackCorn!

Ivan wrote: »

But clearly it is ok, the US have been oppressing (and worse) people in a similar manner for years... albeit with a better PR manager

Minor correction. Unlike the US when China took control of Tibet it abolished Slavery. The Dali Lama would have been part of the ruling classes that maintained serfdom.

How long ago was it common to have lynch mobs in the US and British colonies? (Lynch was 2nd generation irish btw)
How long ago was China part of Tibet?

ScumLord

But they made the monks cry. That's just plain uncalled for. Boycott!!

carsonsunhao

I feel a monk on TV and claim for the power to access tibet is not the way of the buddhism practice.

I feel the victims who killed by monks and mad protestors are memorable and I do feel so so so sad. please allow police to be there and I feel should be planty of them at least.

I feel some of westeners knows nothing about tibet's history but talks like an expert.

I feel the olympics shouldn't be viewed politically but it's too late.

I feel people here has ignored 1.3b chinese people's opinion so that such website as anti-cnn.com has been build. a hot post in this forum could easily reach 10000 on the day with more than 500 replies. still growing rapidly.....thank you fair westen media...... you finally learned us to fight back.....but that gonna start a war.... is that what you wanna see?........so peace........

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

why does it matter what 1.3bn serfs think?

if your opinions were in any way able to transfer into political action, then that'd be something to worry about but you have no say in the running of your country so .. you're pretty irrelevant.

carsonsunhao

is this guy who is said to be the god:eek: otherwise he is mentally wrong.

tallaght01

I think people who claim China doesn't have a big human rights problem are deluded.

I can see why athletes who've worked all their life to represent their country would want to appear in the olympics, regardless of where it's held.

But I do think it's sad that the olympics are being held there. It would be the coolest thing ever if some of the high profile athletes backed out.

The olympics is nothing without the big names.

Not going to happen, though.

RedLemon

Mordeth wrote: »

why does it matter what 1.3bn serfs think?

if your opinions were in any way able to transfer into political action, then that'd be something to worry about but you have no say in the running of your country so .. you're pretty irrelevant.

1.3 bn =1,300,000,000, how many people have you seen in your whole life ???

I tell you the truth, the current chinese government is supported by at least 80% of chinese people, that's why it's still there !

How many people support Mr. Ahern in this country? As far as I know, he is still the leader,...

So you have no more say in the running of your country than us ... ;-)

If you want to know the truth, Go to China, or talk to Chinese people,
NOT only reading paper in the morning, and then, think you are an ' expert ' !!

JimmyCrackCorn!

tallaght01 wrote: »

I think people who claim China doesn't have a big human rights problem are deluded.

They defiantly do.

The thing is china is only a recently became a free/open society and is still in the early stages of a massive change. Take Russia as an example of this.

seraphimvc

RedLemon wrote: »

1.3 bn =1,300,000,000, how many people have you seen in your whole life ???

I tell you the truth, the current chinese government is supported by at least 80% of chinese people, that's why it's still there !

How many people support Mr. Ahern in this country? As far as I know, he is still the leader,...

So you have no more say in the running of your country than us ... ;-)

If you want to know the truth, Go to China, or talk to Chinese people,
NOT only reading paper in the morning, and then, think you are an ' expert ' !!

this is crazy talk.communist country ring a bell?people dont ever know what 's a choice.

ever been to asia and you will find that they live on another planet.and that doesnt mean living on this island = you live on earth as well.

Nerin

carsonsunhao wrote: »

I feel a monk on TV and claim for the power to access tibet is not the way of the buddhism practice.

I feel the victims who killed by monks and mad protestors are memorable and I do feel so so so sad. please allow police to be there and I feel should be planty of them at least.

I feel some of westeners knows nothing about tibet's history but talks like an expert.

I feel the olympics shouldn't be viewed politically but it's too late.

I feel people here has ignored 1.3b chinese people's opinion so that such website as anti-cnn.com has been build. a hot post in this forum could easily reach 10000 on the day with more than 500 replies. still growing rapidly.....thank you fair westen media...... you finally learned us to fight back.....but that gonna start a war.... is that what you wanna see?........so peace........

*cough* the propaganda *cough* its killing me *cough*

You Suck!

Can't wait! Monk throwing, Real prisioners used in the shooting competitions and of course organ relay race!

Best olympics evar!

SimpleSam06

JimmyCrackCorn! wrote: »

Tibet has been a part of china while the Romans were killing Scotsmen.

Nonsense. Tibet was never a part of China. In fact they actually conquered a good swathe of China in the distant past. Through the meanderings of history, they were giving tribute to China for a long while, but were always an independent state. Tibet was invaded mostly to keep the public eye of the Chinese away from overthrowing the demented shower in charge of the country.

JimmyCrackCorn! wrote: »

As for china being oppressive meh! No worse than the US

Great. Well when you get vanished for Googling "democracy" in the US, let us know. Or maybe we can just read the receipt from the bill for the bullet sent to your family.

JimmyCrackCorn! wrote: »

Minor correction. Unlike the US when China took control of Tibet it abolished Slavery.

And started to move in vast numbers of Han Chinese, replicating the plantations in the north, and making the tibetans minorities in their own country.

carsonsunhao wrote: »

I feel the victims who killed by monks and mad protestors are memorable and I do feel so so so sad. please allow police to be there and I feel should be planty of them at least.

Yes, those notoriously violent buddhist monks.

carsonsunhao wrote: »

.....but that gonna start a war.... is that what you wanna see?

China would get its arse whipped up and down the map in any conflict with the west. A million man army doesn't do you much good when you've been bombed out of radios.

JimmyCrackCorn! wrote: »

Take Russia as an example of this.

Yes, good example, a country rapidly sliding back into a dictatorship where the mafia have the same pwer as the government.

Question: How do you burn 1.5 million people out of their homes?
Answer: Call it urban renewal and put an Olympic stadium on it, baby!

I am so tired of these superstitious, jackbooted book burners, trying to build their own internet without blackjack OR hookers.

MySelf56

Undercover in Tibet - China's ethnic cleansing


There is interesting document from Channel 4 (UK). It is inhumane treatment of Tibetan usual commie panda paranoia. So far since occuption by Chinese communist govt in Tibet here simple snippet

1) Destroying nomadic way of life of Tibetans
2) Since 2006 railway link to Lhansa paved a great path to main land Chinese encroachment
3) In main land china there 1 solider per 1400 people where as in Lhansa 1 solider per 20 people
4) Forced abortion are common according to UN human rights watch in Tibet.
5) Any religious gathering will attract large solider deployment around Tibet.
and list goes on.
6) 1960 6 million population, 2006 still 6 million population.
7) Prison treatment is worst then ever.

A pure terriorzing entire Tibetan race by commie panda's.

Time to Boycott chinese lead infested toys and cheap clothes as Moral standing.

MCMLXXXIII

RedLemon wrote: »

...I tell you the truth, the current chinese government is supported by at least 80% of chinese people, that's why it's still there ! ...

Ahem... I now live in the US, where the current president LOST the popular vote the first term and still became president, and as of last week had a 28% approval rating. I think we can see that the public's oppinion doesn't really matter unless it's election time.

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

Question: How do you burn 1.5 million people out of their homes?
Answer: Call it urban renewal and put an Olympic stadium on it, baby!

Right. And China has no problem doing that for a stadium, or to build the Three Rivers Dam. Eventually it will catch up with them. Where I live in the US (Detroit), they did the same thing 50 years ago. The city had 1.8M people and low crime rates. There was one particularly bad area referred to as "Black Bottom" which they buldozed to build a one mile, 8 lane "expresway" (I-375). This forced the poor residents throughout the rest of the city (which at the time was still pretty nice), bringing their crime and other problems with them. Eventually the clash led to riots and the "White Flight," with a population of around 750,000. What do you think of Detroit in 2008?

Obviously we are still here, and the region survived because of a pretty strong industry, but no where near as powerful as it used to be. The same thing will (hopefully) happen in China, and they have enough industry to support themselves, but the government will be too busy with other petty things to really concentrate on suppresstion and their long-term goals.

Wossack

Deliverance wrote: »

What does it mean to you. How do ye feel about this fiasco?

hungry


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