[US/IRL] 4X08 - "Meet Kevin Johnson" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "MEET KEVIN JOHNSON" -

Episode Title: "Meet Kevin Johnson"
Airdate: March 20th 2008

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Sayid confronts Ben's spy on the freighter, and Ben urges daughter Alex to flee Locke's camp in order to survive an impending attack.

Next New Episode: 4X09 - TBA - April 24th 2008

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Basq

5

Enjoy it all... and screw you people who've Good Friday off - I've to work tomorrow! :mad:

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Creamy Goodness

hmm to stay up for this or to wait until i get up around 12ish-2ish to watch it then.

god damn decisions :mad:

AlmightyCushion

Cremo wrote: »

hmm to stay up for this or to wait until i get up around 12ish-2ish to watch it then.

god damn decisions :mad:

I'm the same. I might leave it until tomorrow though. This is the last one before the break, isn't it?

Creamy Goodness

yeh the next one is on the 24th of april.

Jackz

5

What time is on tv at?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

8

omg

sayid...

omg

why man

why

PullMyFinger!

6

Strange episode in that it focused on one character instead of the usual few. Will need to see it again before I rate it but there hasnt been a WOW episode since Desmonds. This didnt exactly leave me gagging for more and wanting the next 6 weeks to go faster.




Having said that some interesting bits:





Who's the shooter? (I think the reason they showed us the Freighters practicing shooting is that its one of them)

Why did Sayid rat out Michael so quickly? Is he working for Ben already?

How did the island stop Michael from shooting himself

Tom's ghey (no biggie, and a nice follow on to his "you're not my type" comment to Kate)

Dannielle is dead?

Libby is haunting Michael or she is Smokie manifested (or both)

Karl is definitely dead

Ben saying he "doesnt kill innocents" : hmmmmm

Why was there Korean writing on the back of Michael's watch?

Here it is translated







They either got a great lookalike of what Walt used to look like (before the kid actor grew) or used some CGI magic

(tried putting in a pic here from 3 diff sites but no joy, is there a limit on one image per reply?)


Edit: here's the link http://bp0.blogger.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/R-Ml8zysSGI/AAAAAAAAC44/TDspzRGhOhM/s1600-h/walt408.gif



Claire knows Miles

I cant find a pic but a terrible continuity error when Karl gets shot, in one scene where he falls to the ground he's wearing earplugs

What is the significance of The Mamas & the Papas' music been used (first in the Season 2 opener in the Hatch and now in this episode when Michael tries to crash the car)






I hate to be a moan but I love this show alot more when its Darlton writing every episode, not the B Team we've had since Desmond's Ep

PullMyFinger!

6

BTW

Is the overall mystery of the island to be found in the crack of Naomi's arse?

http://bp1.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/R-MuhYPrFnI/AAAAAAAAAhk/4E-uHysJfOE/s1600-h/other+woman-00125.jpg

eddiehead

8

PullMyFinger! wrote: »

BTW

Is the overall mystery of the island to be found in the crack of Naomi's arse?

http://bp1.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/R-MuhYPrFnI/AAAAAAAAAhk/4E-uHysJfOE/s1600-h/other+woman-00125.jpg

Not sure, but i wouldnt mind having a look:D...

I read ages ago that at the end of 04x08 was one of the biggest WTF moments in the shows history, so did i miss something or what
It was an ok episode, maybe an 8, not a patch on 'The Constant' IMO.

Sad Professor

8

PullMyFinder wrote:

]Why was there Korean writing on the back of Michael's watch?

It's Jin's watch. Remember the one Michael found in season 1 and Jin beat him up over? Jin was supposed to deliver it to one of Palk's associates in L.A.. That's why he was on the plane.

Who's the shooter? (I think the reason they showed us the Freighters practicing shooting is that its one of them)

The shooters at the end are definitely the mercenary type guys Michael saw shooting into the sky earlier in the ep. At the start of 4x07 as Lapidus is bringing Sayid and Des some food Keamy asks him if he's ready and not to be late. Then later on Sayid notices the helicopter is missing and the doctor says Lapidus is running an "errand".

Anyway great ep, more later.

abelard

7

It was an ok enough episode.

Michael's flashback wasn't too surprising. Wracked with guilt over what he'd done, he goes all suicidal. I was surprised that he told Walt about it though, and consequently lost him again. Then he goes on the boat as Ben's spy etc etc

I was disappointed by the Libby appearances, I hoped there'd be something of more substance in them.

Karl's death was meh, though I was surprised at Danielle being shot too, but I hope she survives, for a while at least. I've wanted a flashback for her since season 1. I agree that it waas the freighter guys who shot them, it will make the fact that Alex shouted "I'm Ben's daughter!" at the end much more significant - they'll likely capture her and try some form of exchange.

I guess the dilemma facing Michael, and through him, the audience, is who do we believe to be the bad guy - Ben or Widmore. Neither appear to have the best intentions, and both seem to be open to lying, manipulation and killing. The science team of Miles, Faraday and Charlotte certainly don't seem like they would, or even could, kill everyone on the island if they get Ben, and they claim Ben is the one that will kill everyone.

Requiem4adream

The guys on the ship were using Uzis to hit targets, looked to me like Karl and Danielle were picked off. The obvious answer is the guys from the freighter are behind this but there's still the possibility Ben is behind it. If it is the freighter guys then it's a natural assumption that they have wiped out all the Others in The Temple, as they obviously knew about the location of it. If they know the Island so well, i wonder why they havent already wiped out the village and captured/killed Ben.

Sayid turning Michael over. Hmmm. Not sure what to make of it. On face value, Sayid thinks a) Michael is a murdering traitor who sold them out to get off the Island and b) Ben is a lying, manipulating murderer himself and c) the freighter offers hope of a rescue. In terms of trusting the Captain, the Captain has been the most forthcoming and open of all characters on Lost and i'm sure Sayid will have appreciated his straight talking. It certainly didnt look like Sayid has a masterplan or a ruse in place.

Michael flashforward = a little meh. Mostly similar to Jacks at end of last season, suicidal etc. The interesting part was the "Island not letting" him kill himself, whatever that meant. Introducing the mythical, spiritual element to it again.

I think overall, this has been a slight let-down. The Constant was just so good, it was obviously tough to maintain that quality, but i feel this episode is down slightly on last weeks one even. Overall still feel Season 4 is answering more questions than posing new ones, and there is a definite momentum building towards a clash between the Losties&Others v the Boaties.

tvnutz

5

This was an alright episode. It was obviously good to see what happened with Michael after he left the island and that he actually feels guilty,so much so that he is trying to kill himself. Sayid turning him in could be costly.

I too heard there was going to be some mad heart pounding cliffhanger that would be the best thing ever. Where did that go? Alex putting her hands up...wow,brilliant :rolleyes: I'm kind of annoyed they killed of Danielle. I too have been waiting for a flashback of when she first arrived on the island,what exactly happened to her crew,how her baby was taken etc etc.

If there actually had been a decent cliffhanger it might have made the episode better but overall it was just average really. Ill go with 6/10

Wreck

5

Ok episode, 6 out of 10.

Hate the paranormal ****e so I'm working on the basis that Libby was an halucination and that Michael's gun jammed cause it was a piece of crap.

Clues point to the shooter(s) being off the boat and dropped in by Lapidus, bit of a coincendence that they bump into Karl et al though. Hope Rosseau isn't dead, was thinking earlier on in the episode that she must be the only Season 1 character still on the show not to have a flashback.

Mr Friendly was class as always, takes a champagne bottle to the head and laughs it off.

Sayid turning in Michael was a little unexpected tbh, he still seems to believe the 'boaties' (lets see if that catches on ) are there to rescue them.

Biggest wtf moment : Naomi's arse (I actually said 'wow' when she went through tha door.

Sad Professor

8

I'm pretty certain Danielle isn't dead, she hasn't got her flashback yet. But I reckon the mercs will leave her for dead and she'll show again in a few episodes. Furlan was going to shoot a movie before the strike started so they probably needed to write her out for a while.

To be fair the writers never said there was going to be a huge cliffhanger. In fact I don't know where all the hype came from. The cast had spoken about the ending of 4x07. But the writers had being saying for months that they didn't want 4x08 to to be the season finale. They didn't even want it to be last episode before the mini-hiatus but ABC decided otherwise.

beanyb

Wow, I'd forgotten how irritating Michael was! That was a nice handy episode to make it all come flooding back. Overall, it was pretty meh I think.

6ix

6

Wreck wrote: »

Hate the paranormal ****e

Lost fits loosely into the Sci Fi category I'm afraid (although I'm sure Sci Fi purists will disagree), so you're going to have to accept a certain amount of the paranormal!

An ok episode, 7/10.

Creamy Goodness

that girl didn't jump off the ship in this episode like was shown in the previews

Sad Professor

8

Cremo wrote: »

that girl didn't jump off the ship in this episode like was shown in the previews

That was in last week's episode.

AlmightyCushion

Cremo wrote: »

that girl didn't jump off the ship in this episode like was shown in the previews

Was that not last week when she jumped off the boat? She had chains wrapped arounf her when she did it.

Edit: The professor bet me to it.

Creamy Goodness

whhoops so it was, don't mind me folks.

AlmightyCushion

Mr.S wrote: »

I don't think it was the boaties that killed karl and frenchie (tho where else would the hekicopter go) the guns sounded like old rifles that the others have not automatic guns the boaties have

They seemed way to precise to be automatic weapons as well. Both of them were shot straight through the heart. There was no automatic weapon fire, it was all single shots. If the boaties had rifles then surely they would have used them when shooting the clay pigeons as they are far more accurate.

The guy

5

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

They seemed way to precise to be automatic weapons as well. Both of them were shot straight through the heart. There was no automatic weapon fire, it was all single shots. If the boaties had rifles then surely they would have used them when shooting the clay pigeons as they are far more accurate.

What if it's yet another group that's to be introduced?

anotherlostie

8

Well I enjoyed this; there was a stellar cast, with the guest cast going on for an eternity. Must be a nice little earner for Marsha Thomason at this stage, and Fisher Stevens got more air time. Strange that Myles was the only one of three on-island protagonists to be shown on the freighter -maybe they were busy elsewhere.

The Libby scenes were a letdown - Libby as a ghost was not what I expected. But the mad hairstyle did make me think we were back in Michael's past when Walt was a little kid. Tom/ Mr. Friendly finally confirmed his sexuality too, proving that we can sometimes read too much into Lost lines like, 'you're not my type'!

But the two scenes at the end were top drawer. Michael was handed over to the 'slightly' overaggressive captain, and I reckoned he was toast given the teaser from last week's promo that someone from the original series would die. But no, then Karl died, as some here had predicted, and I thought that was it - pretty lame character to kill off. But no, then Rousseau got the same fate. Is she dead? Has her time on the island given her some Patchyesque powers of renewal? I guess we won't know for a while. As for who did it, didn't Frank disappear last week, possibly with Keamy who seemed to be a pretty sharp shooter.

eddiehead

8

I very much doubt Danielle is dead,

Darlton previously hinted at a flashback for her, that alone is far too interesting too pass up. Also, I read somewhere, in a synopsis i think it was, that 2 people would be shot and 1 would die

. It has to be the boaties who shot them, just because Keamy was using an uzi doesnt mean they dont have silenced rifles of some sort. The clay shooting on the boat seemed to me more like fun(Minkowski mentioned that they were bored ****less in The Constant) than any type of practice or training.
As for Libby, nobody seems to be acknowledging the whispers surrounding her when she appeared, like the other woman a few weeks back, she was surely a manifestation of something from the island, smokie or whatever. Though this is the first time i remember hearing them off the island.
For me, the most interesting part of the episode was the fact that michael couldnt commit suicide. This shows just how powerful the island actually is, that it can have such a powerful influence on just about anything, much like Juliets husband getting hit by a bus in Not in Portland last season.

The Gnome

AHA! So the Temple is a Dharma Station after all. Linky. What was its purpose and why is it, as Ben said, "A sanctuary for us, it's not for them. (meaning the Losties)"

Also if Danielle is dead without a flashback, I will have to stab somebody.

JeanClaude

7

It's obvious (or maybe too obvious) that Ben is behind the shooting of Karl and Rousseau. He just happens to give Alex a map to the "temple", he knows she'll take Mammy and Boyfriend with her, and they get killed half way there. Coincidence or what?? Why kill them both? well because Ben reckons Alex will come back to him if Danielle and Karl are dead.(he has always wanted Karl dead)
How does he get messages to his people? well i think that he either (A) has a spy among the losties or (B) has a secret way of communicating with them i.e. Radio or something.
I believe Ben is still in communication with the others because when, a few episodes ago, Juliet meet the Psychiatrist while out searching for Charlotte and Faraday (after they ran away to stop the gas being let off), she says Ben knows where they are going and he wants them dead (or something like that),
Ben was captured well before they landed on the island, How did he get that message to the psychiatrist??

Thats my reckoning anyway, feel free to disagree..:D

Basq

5

I enjoyed it to be honest.

Michael's story is one that we've all been waiting for and I was expecting half-answers and beating around the bush from his time leaving the island to his time on the freighter. But they gave us reasoning behind why Walt won't see him, why he went back onto the freighter and who exactly convinced him to go back.

Yeah, popping Libby in there was a bit un-necessary but it was probably somewhat necessary to show the guilt and remorse Michael had over his actions. Cynthia Watros would have been easier to cast at the drop of a hat that Michelle Rodriguez anyways (not that she's had much work recently either! )

I reckon both Karl and Rousseau are dead. I mean it was a nice little gut-shot to both of them. Rousseau is obviously the more likely to survive.

I was sure Michael would die before the end of the episode.. with both his pre-intro statement, the promise of a death this week and his sudden return bringing upon his sudden death. But it wasn't to be.

Pretty sudden ending though alright - it flew by, and I enjoyed Michael's flashback though not a mindblowing episode by any means.

I'll give it a 6 / 10.
PS - great to see Fisher Stevens back as Minchowski.. but doubt he'll get any more screen time after this episode.

Agamemnon

7

Good solid episode, though it would have been nice to have more of a cliffhanger before the break.

So it seems Widmore planted the plane after all, meaning the captain of the boat lied to Sayid and Desmond. Michael warned them he couldn't be trusted - but then again, Michael only knows what Ben tells him.

Why would Ben tell Michael to get a list of the Boaties if he never intended for them to reach the island? He just wanted them lost and drifting rather than dead.

No way is Danielle dead - she'll recover like Patchy and go after her daughter to save her from her captors. We're still due a flashback episode from her anyway.

Nice to see Libby again - I reckon she'll be back again so we can find out why she was in the asylum with Hurley.

Sayid turning Michael in was unexpected - this is probably the moment where he followed his heart and it turned out wrong, as Ben told him in his flashforward.

suppafly

6

beanyb wrote: »

Wow, I'd forgotten how irritating Michael was! That was a nice handy episode to make it all come flooding back. Overall, it was pretty meh I think.

Yup. I never liked him. Always found him really annoyed and I really disliked him more cuz he shot michelle rodrigeuz(sp?).

Creamy Goodness

i'm surprised he didn't shout WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLTT!! when he saw walt in the window.

surprised no one has mentioned anything about whether walt is back on the island or back in new york.

Agamemnon

7

Cremo wrote: »

surprised no one has mentioned anything about whether walt is back on the island or back in new york.

Judging by this episode, he's still in New York but he's probably using those powers of his to astrally project himself on to the island to intervene. Ms. Klugh asked Michael if Walt had ever appeared anywhere he shouldn't have been - she was probably referring to this.

Sad Professor

8

I thought this was a really brilliant episode. Second or third best ep of the season for me. I don't understand all the mediocre reviews and ratings it's been receiving.

I really liked the dark tone to Michael's flashback: his guilt, the multiple suicide attempts, the fight with Mr Friendly, losing Walt. It was a great character-based flashback minus the usual cuts back to the island. I was afraid the writers were going to make the mistake of glossing over Michael's betrayal but Sayid's reaction was perfect. As was how Perrineau presented Michael's internal struggle over whether to trust Ben.

I like how the writers have presented us with two possibilities regarding the Sunda Trench plane. On one hand we have Ben claiming Widmore did it, whilst almost everyone on the Widmore side thinks Ben is behind it. I'm starting to wonder if this whole fake-plane business is actually a massive red herring. What if the plane is real?

This episode also confirms something that's been very strongly felt from the beginning: that the island's power stretches far beyond it's own location. If the island can stop Michael and Jack in the real world from killing themselves, what else can it do? The O6 weren't supposed to leave and according to Hurley "its going to do everything it can" to get them back. This means it was almost certainly the island that brought them there in the first place. Somehow the island manipulated the fate of this particular group people, ensuring they all got on a certain plane.

All of this has me thinking of Mrs Hawking and her words to Desmond about course correction. Increasingly it's starting to seem like the island is alive and has consciousness. Where Jacob fits into all this I don't know. Although I reckon he's probably pretty bad news and when finally set loose will turn out be a Stephen King-style Randal Flagg/Dark Man character.

This ep adds to the big question mark over how one leaves the island. We don't see Michael leaving and Mr Friendly manages to make a return trip without the sub.

MICHAEL: So you people can just... come and go?
TOM: Some of us.

There must be some other way off the island. Perhaps the same way that put a Dharma polar bear in Tunisia. Unless his meeting with Michael took place earlier in season 3 before the sub was blown up.

9/10

DonkeyStyle \o/

8

Sad Professor wrote: »

This ep adds to the big question mark over how one leaves the island. We don't see Michael leaving and Mr Friendly manages to make a return trip without the sub.

Weren't they building a run-way when Kate and Sawyer were cracking rocks? (Or did I just hear someone speculate about what they were building?)

Sad Professor wrote: »

MICHAEL: So you people can just... come and go?
TOM: Some of us.

Maybe another reference to people vulnerable to that time shifting malarkey.

I think the shooting of Karl and Dannielle has Ben written all over it.
I'm reminded of his little mind-game when he was a prisoner in the hatch... saying that if he was one of them, the (hot air balloon) map would lead them to a location where his people would be waiting in ambush.
We know from 'the other woman' that he is in contact with his people somehow... so he has the means.
We also saw how possessive he was in that episode, (to the point of sending Goodwin to his death)... so if he's that nuts over owning Juliet, why not take out the people who're stealing Alex away from him? ... so I think he has the motive.

Or it was the boaties capturing Alex for leverage... either is plausible I think.
More fuel for the fire either way.

Sqaull20

Who's the shooter? (I think the reason they showed us the Freighters practicing shooting is that its one of them)

Dont think it was them, all the motive is with Ben, he wanted them out of he way...

Why did Sayid rat out Michael so quickly? Is he working for Ben already?

Does Sayid know they are the bad guys?

He knows their is something not right with them, but he hasnt seen the video Lock has, so maybe he fears that lunatic Mike more...

How did the island stop Michael from shooting himself

I dont think it did, I mean how could they explain that one?

Tom probably switched guns...

Tom's ghey (no biggie, and a nice follow on to his "you're not my type" comment to Kate)

Huge shock to me, didnt see that coming..

Dannielle is dead?

No chance , would take more than a bullet to the heart to kill her

She probably has a bullet proof vest made out of bark, just pierced the skin...

Libby is haunting Michael or she is Smokie manifested (or both)

Dont have a clue, thought it was pointless including her, would have prefered Anna...

Karl is definitely dead

Has to be, very bland character..

Ben saying he "doesnt kill innocents" : hmmmmm

He didnt kill them, he was back in the camp

Why was there Korean writing on the back of Michael's watch?

Duty free

Catsmokinpot

8

Mr.S wrote: »

I don't think it was the boaties that killed karl and frenchie (tho where else would the hekicopter go) the guns sounded like old rifles that the others have not automatic guns the boaties have

I wouldn't be too sure of that, just because the Boaties were shooting subs doesn't mean that they didn't have any rifles/sniper rifles. They would wan't to be Stupid Mercenaries to come without them. Why would Ben have Rousseau shot? she survived all this time on the island without being shot, whats the motive?

pickarooney

JeanClaude wrote: »

It's obvious (or maybe too obvious) that Ben is behind the shooting of Karl and Rousseau. He just happens to give Alex a map to the "temple", he knows she'll take Mammy and Boyfriend with her, and they get killed half way there. Coincidence or what?? Why kill them both? well because Ben reckons Alex will come back to him if Danielle and Karl are dead.(he has always wanted Karl dead)
How does he get messages to his people? well i think that he either (A) has a spy among the losties or (B) has a secret way of communicating with them i.e. Radio or something.
I believe Ben is still in communication with the others because when, a few episodes ago, Juliet meet the Psychiatrist while out searching for Charlotte and Faraday (after they ran away to stop the gas being let off), she says Ben knows where they are going and he wants them dead (or something like that),
Ben was captured well before they landed on the island, How did he get that message to the psychiatrist??

Thats my reckoning anyway, feel free to disagree..:D

Exactly my thoughts. We know Alex isn't actually Ben's daughter (from earlier this season), he's just trying to make her is the way he's always tried to make Juliet his girlfriend. After kidnapping her for 16 years, he still has to compete with her mother and boyfriend for her affections. With them ou of the way, she tells him what he wants to hear, that she's his 'daughter'.

Mr.Nice Guy

8

Top episode. 9/10 from me.

Michael is such a fascinating character because he's not a 'good guy' or a 'bad guy' but rather someone who does what he thinks is right in the circumstance. Reminds me of Noah in Heroes. This episode gave us answers but also posed new questions (which is why I love Lost).

PS - Remember when Jack was going to kill himself on the bridge in the flash forward but he instead went to help the victims of the car crash? Surely another example of 'the island' preventing Jack from killing himself much like Michael.

As for Karl, I knew he was a gonner when I saw his scene with Alex begin. Rousseau getting shot was a surprise to me but like others on this thread I reckon she's still alive. If Locke can survive a gunshot then why not her?

I'm starting to think that the reason Michael was unable to kill himself - and the reason Tom knew that something would prevent Michael from killing himself whether it was the bullet bouncing or the gun jamming - is because of what the old lady told Desmond. The universe has a way of correcting things and just like a person fated to die will die, likewise someone can be fated to survive. Michael is important to the island as is Desmond.

I also think the reason Walt has been waking up screaming is because he is travelling through time much like Minkowski and Desmond were.

Really top notch episode and one of the best of the season.

Sad Professor wrote:

I thought this was a really brilliant episode. Second or third best ep of the season for me. I don't understand all the mediocre reviews and ratings it's been receiving.

Obviously it needed more time travel elements as apparently time travel and a weepy ending = 10s all round. :rolleyes:

IamBeowulf

I think that Ben really wanted Alex out of harm's way, and sent them to the Temple for refuge. I bet that as the show progresses, we'll see exactly why Ben's done what he's done---to survive. Isn't it possible that Widmore is a rival to the Hanso Foundation, intends to wipe out any proof of Hanso's existence---including former employee Ben and the Losties---so that he can claim the island as his and further any scientific progress for his own benefit?

As for who shot Rousseau and Kyle, I think it was the last remaining Others in the Temple. After all, Ben clearly has the ability to contact people outisde of the camp---why not order them to eliminate anyone with his daughter, keeping her safe but also removing any competitors for his daughter's affections.

pickarooney

I think a key plot device that everyone is failing to mention is just how hot Alex was in this episode.

Ron DMC

pickarooney wrote: »

I think a key plot device that everyone is failing to mention is just how hot Alex was in this episode.

+1

eddiehead

8

pickarooney wrote: »

I think a key plot device that everyone is failing to mention is just how hot Alex was in this episode.

Yeah actually, i forgot about that...might go have another look:p

Bubs101

Just to clarify, I voted 1 by accident, while dragging down I clicked on it and didn't realise.

Would have given it a 6. Ridiculous ending and I thought they rushed the bit with Micheal not to mention how loud he was shouting BOMB, but an entertaining episode none the less

Mitch Connor

anyone know what the timeline is like with this episode?

How many days have passed on the island since Michael/Walt left, and is it long enough for Micheal and Walt to get rescued, brought to New York, their relationship break down, Michael get a new place, his life fall apart, crash the car, recover from that crash, travel to Fiji then travel on the boat to the island?

lezizi

7

Is it just me , or is Michaels mother the lady Miles visited to get rid of the ghost??
I really liked this episode, Id give it an 8. I just presumed Ben was behind the killing of Karl and Rosseu, it seemed like an obvious set up.

Sad Professor

8

Tauren wrote: »

anyone know what the timeline is like with this episode?

How many days have passed on the island since Michael/Walt left, and is it long enough for Micheal and Walt to get rescued, brought to New York, their relationship break down, Michael get a new place, his life fall apart, crash the car, recover from that crash, travel to Fiji then travel on the boat to the island?

Timeline is very tight, especially for Mr Friendly's appearance, but it works. We just have to assume that Michael received minor injuries from the car crash.

Michael left the island on day 67.
His meeting with Mr Friendly and getting on the boat had to take place between day 76 and 80.
Naomi arrives on the island on day 87.
This episode takes place on day 97.

Binka

8

Good point about the timeline. It's a bit more than tight!

I really enjoyed this episode. Gave it a 9. I was relieved we got the whole story about what happened to Michael. And a good few shocks I wasn't expecting - Mr Friendly showing up in New York was a good one. His boyfriend was another. Rousseau getting shot (but hopefully not killed as she is one of the more intriguing characters). Oh, and it was definately Ben that ordered the shooting. Did you see the look on his face when Karl was fondling Alex??? He must have sent a communication to the temple to say they were on the way.
Question..my memory has failed me - how do we know Alex isn't Ben's daughter?

abelard

7

Binka wrote: »

Question..my memory has failed me - how do we know Alex isn't Ben's daughter?

Well we know Danielle is her mother, and according to her, she was 7 months pregnant when she landed on the island. So it seems pretty certain that Ben can't be her father.

FourMasters

5

Whoever is mounting the operation behind the boat has huge financial resources. I was surprised to see Michael talk on his mobile phone as he got onto the boat, I was immediately thinking listening devices with the ability to tap or eavesdrop on cellphone conversations.

But it took the biscuit when he went into the radio room and talked openly on the incoming radio communication. He even asked for privacy, bit of a giveaway. Surely all such communications would be recorded and monitored? I think nobody else has mentioned this here so I'm raising it. If Michael's conversation with Ben in the radio room wasn't tapped and listened to...I'll be very disappointed. There is such secrecy surrounding the boat, that would seem to be a basic precaution

I'll only accept it if it's actually Ben behind the boat!

jor el

5

Binka wrote: »

Question..my memory has failed me - how do we know Alex isn't Ben's daughter?

Because Ben is a saddo looser and no woman would ever lay down with him, not even a psycho French one.

Very underwhelming episode. Was a bit intrigued by Sayid giving up Michael, especially after Michael had explained why he was there, and I'm not sure what Sayid hopes to gain from doing it. It does explain his conversation with Ben in the flash forward though, this is obviously Sayid's mistake and why he ends up working for Ben. There will be blood on his hands over giving up Michael, and I presume the bomb too at a later stage.