Paranormal Feedback (Not the EVP kind) Please Contribute!!!!

GuanYin

Following a few PM discussions the mods have had about the forum and some input from our more active members, it has become pretty clear that the forum and community is growing.

There have been suggestions about subforums, expansions and there are probably other ideas out there, so here is a chance to voice them.


We started off as a small forum for people to talk about their experiences and beliefs without ridicule. We've had a few trying years - things haven't gone smoothly, but I think, thanks largely to the help of the forum community, the dedication of some of the users and the security of the forums original remit, we've done much better than anyone could have imagined (especially the folks in the ISS forum sorry guys).

What we are looking for is your thoughts on the current state of the forum, how it has grown, the direction it took, the future directions and advice or suggestions on how we can continue the growth and expansion until we eventually take over the internet.

What are the best things and what are the worst things in a general sense?

What will come of this? That will depend on the Admins and the suggestions put forth. Maybe nothing, maybe something wonderful

The one caveat to all of this is that I will don the hardass hat if it comes to it and anyone uses this thread to push agendas, troll, take shots at other members or stir up personal grieviences.

Oh, I'm adding a poll to try and look at the demograph of forum use too. Please tick all that apply to you, it will be really helpful

T4TF, stevenmu, if I left anything out, please, add it in

GuanYin

I'm 30-35

Ok, here is one. If I cleared it with Admins and mods, would the various paranormal organisations of Ireland be interested in accounts for their organisations that would be allowed post events and details for their societies?

I'd have to clear it with the PTB and certify the accounts, but it may be a go?

Would it be useful?

Oryx

I've attended a Paranormal Forum Event

I come from the psychic/medium end of the paranormal spectrum, (as if you didnt know already) so thats where my interests lie. Ive also been on one investigation, and I think the stuff the PIGs and others do is great. Some of the more technical discussions are lost on me, but I never claimed to be a scientist. Im much less scientific and more spiritual in my approach. That said, I tend to be very pragmatic and sceptical, and love the theory of occams razor. I too hate psychic phone lines.

I like the openness of the forum as it stands. That really, anything goes. It means that people can post odd photographs, theories, stories of haunting, or questions about things happening to them. Yes, there are so many requests for fortune telling, but I think the main thread dedicated to that does help. That's really the one area that I could see working in a sub forum. (not a prediction by the way) People who post requests for readers are not opening discussion, just seeking specific information, so it could easily be moved to a dedicated area.

I wouldnt like to see it sub divided too much, I think the mix is part of the appeal.

Stoner

I make a living/earn money/am employed in an aspect of the Paranormal/Spiritual

PSI, there is already something set up for groups to post in (off boards), it has not taken off as of yet, but it is set up, but it will be less heavy on banning, as it it wont need to be, as it wont have anything like the mix of people to protect that this forum has, but i think that a private area would be good, although most groups have their own private forums, all the ones i know of have anyway, but it would be good for new groups too, but this could work, it would save going in and out of other forums.
If i was to say anything about this forum it is that it has too many religious considerations, it's also the beauty of it too though, I dont think I've seen another forum with this mix except for maybe ghost village, but they dont seem to have the same level of "piss taking" that can and does happen here from time to time.

kshiel

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

I would take the more spiritual point in most discussions here but I do enjoy the scienctific side to the explanations not been very science aware myself. I love the range of people who come into post and the difference of opinions that can cause some very good debates. I wouldn;t like to see it too divided but I think the ask "questions on psychics and Mediums here" could be sub-divided, it could have a more wide range of disscussion as in not only asking for peoples phone numbers etc. I have been on a few investigations here and it was one of the best ways and maybe in some cases the only way I would have been able to meet up with people with the same interest (regardless of approach) so to me that is one great aspect to this fourm.

Riamfada

I make a living/earn money/am employed in an aspect of the Paranormal/Spiritual

Can I just suggest that we remove many of the stickies on the forum ?

faceman

I'm Female

i like the forum alot as its a pretty open minded and friendly place. I think there is too many stickies although it doesnt bother me too much. The mods do a great job.

Call me cynical but i do question (in my head, not in the forum) some newbie posts particularly over the past 12 months who have had pretty vivid, almost too good to be true experience, but i guess there isnt much that can be done about certifying posts like that.

I wouldnt like to see the forum split up. I dont really think the traffic justifies it anyway but i like the way the threads get input from people from all aspects of paranormal as opposed to say, e.g. psychics only discussing psychic themes etc (hope that point makes sense!)

I havent been able to make any of the meet up events but would like to go. It would be good if there were more of them, maybe 1 every 3 months? Maybe there is, Im not sure!

If the forum is opened up to paranormal groups, my opinion would be to ensure they stick to certain rules. I wouldnt like to see groups receiving or being perceived to have an elitist status in the forum, nor a dominant one either.

GuanYin

I'm 30-35

Stickies point is well taken and hopefully rectified to everyones satisfaction

stevenmu

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

PSI: Las Vegas wrote: »

Stickies point is well taken and hopefully rectified to everyones satisfaction

I very much agree with the point about stickies, and think it looks much better now, thanks.

faceman wrote:

Call me cynical but i do question (in my head, not in the forum) some newbie posts particularly over the past 12 months who have had pretty vivid, almost too good to be true experience, but i guess there isnt much that can be done about certifying posts like that.

There has been a few posts like that the last while. Some of them are blatant p***-takes which we just remove on sight. Some of them are more, as you say too good to be true, with these my opinion is that if they're treated as hypotethically true then there's still the potential for a good discussion out of them. But I can see how it might seem a little silly to discuss something like that, if people prefer we could try to be a little tighter on that ?

PSI, there is already something set up for groups to post in (off boards)

I think what PSI means is that groups could have an account which would be the "official voice" for that group on the forum for making announcements etc, which would be distinct from the personal accounts people might also have. For e.g. a few Leinster Paranormal people post here with personal accounts, but they might also have a "Leinster Paranormal" account that they could use for official posts on behalf of the group.

(I think that's what PSI means anyway, if not I want full credit for the idea )


My own biggest piece of feedback is that I think we might need to do more to encourage sceptical discussion which seems to have died off in recent times. I don't mean the "that's crazy, there's no proof" brand of 'scepticism', but I think well reasoned sceptical arguments are an invaluable addition to the forum. A recent example would be Noopti's excellent posts on the UCD Archaeology Photo thread, comparing the photo to other pictures of reflective material etc. I'm not sure if we need to change rules or maybe just make them more clearly defined, or if there's something else we can do. What do people think?

Stoner

I make a living/earn money/am employed in an aspect of the Paranormal/Spiritual

point taken steve

Last thing my favourite thread here is the
"Ghosts what are you experiences"

Could a mod please change the "you" to "your". Thank you, BTW I would not like to see the forum split either, thanks.

faceman

I'm Female

stevenmu wrote: »

My own biggest piece of feedback is that I think we might need to do more to encourage sceptical discussion which seems to have died off in recent times. I don't mean the "that's crazy, there's no proof" brand of 'scepticism', but I think well reasoned sceptical arguments are an invaluable addition to the forum. A recent example would be Noopti's excellent posts on the UCD Archaeology Photo thread, comparing the photo to other pictures of reflective material etc. I'm not sure if we need to change rules or maybe just make them more clearly defined, or if there's something else we can do. What do people think?

Excellent point, perhaps limit skeptical discussion to certain threads or if traffic was high enough, sub forum?

ladybirdirl

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

I would echo what the others have said about not splitting things up except- the only possible advantage I see to aplitting is that if there was a subforum for the 'psychic' threads maybe it would stop so many people starting a new thread just to find a number.........I know that causes frustration.

The skepticism is a valid point, seems hard to balance skepticism without it becoming all out war tho;), then again the mods do a fine job

LB

Ziycon

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PSI: Las Vegas wrote: »

Stickies point is well taken and hopefully rectified to everyones satisfaction

Why was the UFO thread un-stickied??

6th

I make a living/earn money/am employed in an aspect of the Paranormal/Spiritual

Ok my 2cent:

I think the modding is going great, reported posts and messing are sorted out quickly obviously it helps the mods when us users report them but I dont think there are any failings on that side.

The sticky clean up is great.

Obviously Ziycon, its a big deal to you with the sticky being unstuck but I dont think keeping everything "UFO" in one thread did the topic any favours.

I'd love to see a sub-forum for the more Spiritual topics, actually I'd like to see them in the Spirituality Forum but I can understand the reluctance with their being a good community buzz here. I know the Spirituality Forum was suggested Stevenmu you said it would be a place to move all the stuff that didnt really suit from here - could that still be a solution? Anyway a subforum for medium/reader/psychic requests etc would be great but it would also be a good spot to take about different psychics such as the threads we have had on the likes of Sylvia Brown.

Obviously mediums etc will get mentioned/discussed in a wider context with threads as with the thread about the use of them in investigations etc.

I know there is a request for a Boardsean Time forum but I think this place could cater for all of that, I know I have started threads on Cryptozoology and have read plenty of threads on urban legends etc .... some people just dont feel this place could accommodate discussing wackier topics without getting too strick.

As for Skepticism in here, I miss alot of the more skeptic posters t hough I know they can be dismissive and downright rude at times ... then again so can "believers"

Summary: Forum is good but could be great. Spiritual stuff to Spirituality Forum and a look at subforums would be great.

6th

I make a living/earn money/am employed in an aspect of the Paranormal/Spiritual

Oh as for the groups having an official voice, I appreciate the idea as a member of a group but I for one wouldnt like to have to act "officially" on here. Alot of us on here do "advertise" to an extent but its not like we do it with giving alot to the community in return. I think the mods can spot posters coming on just to use this place who have no interest in the forum.

GuanYin

I'm 30-35

Ziycon wrote: »

Why was the UFO thread un-stickied??

All topics were unsticked and linked to from the sticky link thread.

It makes the forum more accessable in general and there is only one extra click - if it looks like the thread is suffering (I know i get straffic normally), we'll try compromise.


Regarding Skepticism, I dunno, I like the fact that people like zillah post here but there are others who aren't actually interested in debate, just in preaching (if you want an example of what I mean, look at the christianity forum and that train-wreck of a thread on the bible).

I'd also point to the decline of the ISS forum as being an indicator of the skeptics being gone more than them being excluded.

stevenmu

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

PSI: Las Vegas wrote: »

Regarding Skepticism, I dunno, I like the fact that people like zillah post here but there are others who aren't actually interested in debate, just in preaching (if you want an example of what I mean, look at the christianity forum and that train-wreck of a thread on the bible).

I'd also point to the decline of the ISS forum as being an indicator of the skeptics being gone more than them being excluded.

That's a good point, I have noticed their forum has gone a bit quiet at the moment. Hopefully people realise that reasoned rational sceptical arguments are welcomed, but of course the "no evidence = you crazy" cynicism we have seen before is not.




And just to mention, we do appreciate all of the reported posts we get, they do help us get to problems quicker, so thank you all for those.

Alot of us on here do "advertise" to an extent

I know you didn't mean it in this sense, but since the word was mentioned just to make sure others are aware that I don't think advertising of commercial events through the forum will ever be allowed on the forum(short of contacting the admins for paid for advertising).

But of course the type of "advertising" you do mean, which is people in the community organizing community events etc is a great benefit to the forum and everyone involved and is very welcome.

I'd love to see a sub-forum for the more Spiritual topics, actually I'd like to see them in the Spirituality Forum but I can understand the reluctance with their being a good community buzz here. I know the Spirituality Forum was suggested Stevenmu you said it would be a place to move all the stuff that didnt really suit from here - could that still be a solution?

I'd like it to be, and I certainly did intend that a lot of stuff would be moved over, and in theory that's great. In practice though a lot of threads fit equally well in either forum, each forum would take a different slant on it, and there can be valid reasons why an OP would want the thread in one over the other. I've pm'd OPs in the past asking if they would prefer the thread moved over, some have, and many haven't. I've tended to just go along with whatever the OP wanted.

If there was a strong concensus from the users of the forum to either
A) Move everything that can be moved (or a lot more at least)
Let the OP decide
C) Move nothing
then we could maybe act upon that.

ladybirdirl

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

Just reading subsequent posts on moving the spiritualitry stuff to that forum.....I for one think that's actually a bad idea.

I think most of the spiritual stuff on here tends to be the paranormal end of spirituality....ie related to investigations, spiritual meanings etc & not so much on the spiritual practise e.g. reiki etc

If we lose that from this forum, it would seem to me that we would lose what is an integral part of how most enthusiasts go about paranormal investigations. IMHO it's better to keep that stuff here, it doesn't detract from anything

LB

GuanYin

I'm 30-35

I think some of the previous mods opposed the spitituality for tbh, but I think there is a place for it, so long as it doesn't prohibit the spiritual aspect of paranormal here.

It is very hard to classify something that, by its very nature, can't be classified.

Fortean times, while interesting, doesn't really serve anything a mega thread wouldn't or the forum in general, does it?

Psychics and mediums, now yes, I can see a sub-forum place for that because we get alot of traffic in that aspect. But would it be discussion traffic? Would it be one post wonders looking for info or would there be more to such a subforum? I think it'd be very easy to create it, see how it goes and then pull it if it dies.

UFOology is fairly busy, but I dunno if it would merit another forum.

*MAYBE* a skeptics corner, what would you think about that?

ladybirdirl

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

PSI: Las Vegas wrote: »

Psychics and mediums, now yes, I can see a sub-forum place for that because we get alot of traffic in that aspect. But would it be discussion traffic? Would it be one post wonders looking for info or would there be more to such a subforum? I think it'd be very easy to create it, see how it goes and then pull it if it dies.


*MAYBE* a skeptics corner, what would you think about that?

Both suggestions sound like the way to go for me, you're right there might be a lot of 1 post wonders, I assume it's not a big thing to undo?

Good idea:)
LB

AckwelFoley

I'm Female

Skeptics corner in the paranormal perhaps a good idea.

I read a bit of the threads here, but because im the eternal skeptic, i dont post because i dont want to be considered trolling, for the same reason i dont go into the spirituality and religious forums and tell them i think they are as daft as a brush.

IMO most paranormal occurances are things that can be explained naturally or perhaps we havnt come to a proper logical explination as of yet and we tend to put it down as "paranormal"

So until there is a skeptics corner for ppl like me, i think its bedst i wouldnt post, because i think its nice for ppl to share stories on things they enjoy without somone like me spoiling the party with my theories.

stevenmu

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

I think the pyschics and mediums subforum could generate quite a bit of discussion as well as the one post question types. I think there could be some discussion around the mechanics of the area, people who are learning in the area sharing tips, and I'd really like it if we could get some people to give free on-thread readings.

I've held off on requesting this sub-forum just to see if anything negative came back but I think everyone's fairly happy for us to try it out ?



Skeptic's corner could be a good idea, I've been wondering if the ISS forum going quiet is down to people seeing it more as an organisation's forum than a general sceptic's forum.


And kind of like LB, I tend to see the paranormal forum as being about the mechanics and spirituality as being about the consequences. I don't think I'd like to see another spirituality sub-forum, or a change to the existing spirituality forum.

GuanYin

I'm 30-35

Anyone got anything else to add to this?

Come on Zillah I want to hear your take.

Seems we have 42 active users. Not bad at all.

Oryx

I've attended a Paranormal Forum Event

Yeah, I want a Zillah corner. Like ISS but with more irony.:)

Actually the way steve puts it, the medium and psychic section sounds like a great idea.

karynp

I've attended a Paranormal Forum Event

Hi All
Ok firstly,please no slating for my comments.
I always read the boards,rarely post. Ive noticed lately that people are coming on and really plugging/advertising on behalf of either themselves or their friends in the spiritual field.
I have to vent my feelings on this as im finding myself getting a bit peeved off with it as its against boards rules to advertise.
However,theres loopholes and no concrete proof of the occuring. Im certain this is the case,my gut tells me it is.
While i have no objections to anyone offering there services i do feel strongly about the way its been done.
I wondered if i am the only one who picks up on this or has anyone else noticed?
Im probably gonna upset a few barrels here,maybe even a ban,who knows.......but im sure if you read back over the last month or 2 then it will be noticed.
Again,had to say this,call it pregnancy hormones,call it my inner sense of fairness,i dunno.
Anyway,its off my chest now.
Hopefully havent upset any genuine boardsies as its not my intent.

stevenmu

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

I completely agree. I've deleted quite a few posts that were blatantly like this. Others like you say are a bit grey and there's no proof as such so I have left some. We're hoping to start a specific sub forum for psychics and mediums, and at the moment the plan is to have a specific thread for listing contact details and this will be the only place that contact details will be allowed. This thread will be locked so to be listed people will have to pm myself or another moderator and anyone who tries to spam the forum will be automatically delisted. Hopefully that will deal with the problem.

In the meantime, any posts you see that you don't like feel free to report them using the icon below each post, that will bring it to the attention of myself and the other moderators.

And if anyone has any other suggestions I'd be glad to take them on board.

Whispered

I've attended a Paranormal Forum Event

6th wrote: »

Summary: Forum is good but could be great. Spiritual stuff to Spirituality Forum and a look at subforums would be great.

The only problem with that is who is to say what is spiritual and what is paranormal? When you get used to an aspect of "spirituality" it is no longer paranormal to you but to others it may well be. For example, reiki is a spiritual thing, however often when giving reiki I become aware of a presence, or message etc, does a discussion about this belong in the spiritual or paranormal forum? And I know this comment will annoy people but the truth is you get more discussion here than you do in the spiritual forum.

6th

I make a living/earn money/am employed in an aspect of the Paranormal/Spiritual

helena.ryan wrote: »

you get more discussion here than you do in the spiritual forum.

See thats a problem as far as I see it, posting somewhere just to get more responses isn't the answer. I've seen threads locked and users warned on other forums on Boards for doing that.

Paranormal isn't an umbrella title for certain topics, it can be a way to approach or discuss a wide range of topics including the likes of Reiki. Discussing something in regards to the paranormal is to question it and try to understand it - with regards to spirituality some people dont like their beliefs questioned and the spirituality forum suits better. Were faith comes into it you have to really think if the paranormal forum is the place to post.

Obviously its not black and white and I trust the mods to move whatever they see as relevant - whether its to the spirituality forum or the new sub-forum if its made.

Whispered

I've attended a Paranormal Forum Event

I knew you'd reply to that 6th!

If there is a thread here which more experienced people believe is more suited to the spiritual forum then fair enough. But not everybody here is as experienced as other people (I am one of those inexperienced people) and unfortunately, the paranormal is a blanket term used (perhaps incorrectly) for a lot of things. I for one would not consider cryptozoology as paranormal. I do not consider tarot/crystal reading or dousing as paranormal, just an extenstion of spiritual learning. Someone who does not know much about the paranormal and comes on here looking for info about healing or O.B.E's or similar will not think about going to the spiritual forum. I think it would be very non-user friendly to divide too strictly. Paranormal means different things to people depending on their beliefs, experiences and knowledge. It's all very vague.

6th, you have mentioned before about me speaking about Reiki in this forum. I totally see your point, but as I said, a lot of people would not think of going to the spiritual forum to talk about healing. If there was a way to make it clearer what is and what is not considered paranormal.......................

Just wondering how people feel about having somewhere for readings? The way I would imagine it working is you arrange a time to be there and are at your computer when reading is done. If you have any questions you ask immediately, not 3 days later when the reader has probably forgotten a lot of your reading. Perhaps a subforum? This would make 1 sentence questions and answers less annoying.

Has this been done here before, is it allowed?

kshiel

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

I think that would be covered in the sub-fourm stevenmu was talking about. I would imagine it would be more along the lines of experimental reading etc. I think that area would have to be tracked very carefully as a lot of people coming on just looking for a reading could lead to a world of trouble.

I still think that this sub-fourm would take a lot of topics that shouldn't be in paranormal out and into a more apporiate section.

6th

I make a living/earn money/am employed in an aspect of the Paranormal/Spiritual

Thats all grand but are we damaging/neglecting the Spirituality Forum?

Nevyn

I've attended a Paranormal Forum Event

6th wrote: »

Thats all grand but are we damaging/neglecting the Spirituality Forum?

Yes.

No I am not biased due to being the mod of that forum, hell I only agreed to do it to be a rescource for the two new mods who were going to run it.

The spirituality forum was set up because regulars of THIS wanted a place to talk about things they felt did not fit in christianity but they felt they did not fit in the paganism forum either.

To my mind the mediumship threads should be in spirituality but I am not going to get into an argument over it.

Whispered

I've attended a Paranormal Forum Event

Thaedydal wrote: »

To my mind the mediumship threads should be in spirituality but I am not going to get into an argument over it.

I agree - but to a lot of people mediumship is paranormal. Is paranormal a perception of things? Where do you draw the line? And I know that if the spiritual forum was to become a subforum of this one then people would be giving out saying that spirituality does not necessarily have anything to do with the paranormal (which is true!). So really you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

6th

I make a living/earn money/am employed in an aspect of the Paranormal/Spiritual

When the spirituality Forum was suggested (see link below) Stevenmu (mod of both Paranormal & Spirituality Fora) said:

Spirituality could look after the 'belief' side of things and Paranormal could continue dealing with the weirder side of things

Now I am hardly against spiritual discussion, especially seeing as I use both forums and set up a development circle through the spirituality forum - I just dont agree that the paranormal forum should be used for spiritual topics just because its more popular. I'd argue that its only more popular because of the spiritual topics here.

Spirituality Forum suggestion thread:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=234525&highlight=Spirituality

Oryx

I've attended a Paranormal Forum Event

Vis a vis mediumship. I think theres a very blurred line as to where it fits. Ideally spirituality, yes, but its used by many not so spiritual people. I dont think it really sits perfectly in either. If I had to pick one, I would say a sub forum of here, simply because a lot of the 'strange happenings' here can benefit from that angle, as well as the more investigative side that others here can offer. I get a lot of 'bump in the night' queries where people really want a psychic angle into whats going on.

I dont want to see paranormal become just a repository for psychic reader's contact information either, but I still think the forum needs to be kept loose in terms of the type of thing that can be posted here. If its too analytical, or too 'woo woo*' both extremes stifle discussion.

*Not trying to offend. I love that term.:)

El_mariachi

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

I've been reading here a while and I noticed a very unfair biased point of view towards skeptics and general non believers here.

I bring the very charter for this forum into question.

Skeptical debate and discussion is restricted solely and specifically to threads where the original poster has asked for explanation or discussion on phenomenological issues or events.

That is just silly, there should be always room for a both sides to get thier point of view across.

No demands for proof of paranormal validity.

Come on? So you can't question the validity of any claim?

So if I come in here claiming to be Jesus Christ and claim to be able to do miracles, No one can say "hold on now, He thinks he is Jesus. Any one think he is lying" or "mmm, Can you prove that".

These rules while they might be in place to protect us from trolls and general unfair treatment, but they make us look like a bunch of kids telling ghost stories and playing "what goes bump in the night". Its silly and in fairness , no Skeptic will take us paranormalist's seriously if we aren't willing to even debate our claims.

If you have a claim to make you should be ready to back it up or at least discuss it.

Oryx

I've attended a Paranormal Forum Event

I am a long standing poster here, and I understand the need for that clause in the charter. The types of claim posted here, by their nature, cannot be proven in this environment. Calls for proof simply cause bad feeling, stifle discussion, and go nowhere.

This forum is not ISS. That is where debunking and skeptic argument is welcomed.

Reading through the posts here, you will see anyone claiming anything very outrageous or trolling will be questioned and asked to elaborate on where they are coming from. Its not about giving people an easy ride, but about allowing free discussion, without having to prove the unproveable.

El_mariachi

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

KtK wrote: »

Calls for proof simply cause bad feeling, stifle discussion, and go nowhere.

I agree some might go nowhere but don't think it should cause bad feelings. If something is provable it be nice to see some proof for once. I understand thing like dreams or Astral projection is next to impossible to prove. But surely some people have made provable claim here!?

KtK wrote: »

Reading through the posts here, you will see anyone claiming anything very outrageous or trolling will be questioned and asked to elaborate on where they are coming from. Its not about giving people an easy ride, but about allowing free discussion, without having to prove the unprovable.

I understand. Just think its very biased in here still.

6th

I make a living/earn money/am employed in an aspect of the Paranormal/Spiritual

As KtK says the claims made in this forum are by their very nature can not be proven. If you look closely though you will see that the people are not telling other people to believe what they are saying but rather putting forward their experiences.

Not all threads here are about peoples experiences though and healthy debate of some topics is encouranged by the cmods and community alike.

El_mariachi

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

6th wrote: »

As KtK says the claims made in this forum are by their very nature can not be proven. If you look closely though you will see that the people are not telling other people to believe what they are saying but rather putting forward their experiences.

Not all threads here are about peoples experiences though and healthy debate of some topics is encouranged by the cmods and community alike.

Ah excellent to hear! A re-wording of that charter wouldn't kill though. Like I said, it casts us in a bad light in the eyes or non believers or skeptics.

Oryx

I've attended a Paranormal Forum Event

El_mariachi wrote: »

Ah excellent to hear! A re-wording of that charter wouldn't kill though. Like I said, it casts us in a bad light in the eyes or non believers or skeptics.

Lets face it, we will always be in a bad light with non believers and skeptics. You cannot hope to convert people in a situation like this. All you can do, is discuss, as freely and openly as possible. That charter issue was the subject of heated debate at the time. Well do I remember it.

If you are a working psychic, you are only as good as your last reading, and you can only ever hope to convince the people you read for. There will always be skeptics. And hooray that that is the case.

El_mariachi

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

KtK wrote: »

Lets face it, we will always be in a bad light with non believers and skeptics. You cannot hope to convert people in a situation like this. All you can do, is discuss, as freely and openly as possible. That charter issue was the subject of heated debate at the time. Well do I remember it.

If you are a working psychic, you are only as good as your last reading, and you can only ever hope to convince the people you read for. There will always be skeptics. And hooray that that is the case.

Haha I can see them now standing over us with their big books of science!

stevenmu

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

Merged with the feedback thread.

I definitely do take your point El_mariachi, at face value it does seem like a silly, even counter-productive rule, and in theory I think it would be better if we didn't have it. In practice though threads were being bogged down with demands for proof to the point that nothing was actually being discussed.

It's probably better to think of it as less of a rule and more of a guideline to enable discussion. In general it's kind of selectively enforced, where sceptical posts add value to a discussion they're very welcome but when they start to bog down a thread, they're not. I think it takes a little judgement as to the intentions of OP and where the subject is going.

I'd certainly be open to a rewording of the charter to try and make things clearer, or perhaps adding some sample threads/posts would help ?

GuanYin

I'm 30-35

All that said, wicknight doesn't post here anymore so maybe we can remove the rule

DANNY22XX

I make a living/earn money/am employed in an aspect of the Paranormal/Spiritual

would like to see an epuipment section put up,,ie what you would use it for,,,etc,,,there are a lot of people here i know would be very intrested ,,i know those who go on open investigations would like to see what they can get ,,ie bargains and tips for investigating,,,
just my 2 cents,,ohhh yeah and less stickys,,lol

Dave!

I'm Female

Is a whole thread relating to the skeptical discussion of paranormal activity allowed? ie. If I started a thread saying that astrology is nonsense (more detail), would the discussion be allowed to develop, with supporters providing evidence and detracters arguing otherwise?

Oryx

I've attended a Paranormal Forum Event

DaveMcG wrote: »

Is a whole thread relating to the skeptical discussion of paranormal activity allowed? ie. If I started a thread saying that astrology is nonsense (more detail), would the discussion be allowed to develop, with supporters providing evidence and detracters arguing otherwise?

Im not sure about the astrology aspect, not my thing, but in lots of other paranormal areas the problem becomes one of you saying X is the case and me saying Y, and as the sceptic your standpoint can become 'prove it then'. Which is impossible in this environment.

If there was a way of preventing that stalemate, yes Id be all for discussion threads.

stevenmu

I'm a member of a Paranormal Society/Organisation

DaveMcG wrote: »

Is a whole thread relating to the skeptical discussion of paranormal activity allowed? ie. If I started a thread saying that astrology is nonsense (more detail), would the discussion be allowed to develop, with supporters providing evidence and detracters arguing otherwise?

That certainly sounds worth a try to me. If it works out well and doesn't cause too much spillage into everything else it could be very good indeed. Does it have to be nonsense though? You might have just meant it in an off-hand way, but I'd suggest something like "astrology is wrong" or "astrology is mistaken" would be far more encouraging of debate.

KtK wrote: »

Im not sure about the astrology aspect, not my thing, but in lots of other paranormal areas the problem becomes one of you saying X is the case and me saying Y, and as the sceptic your standpoint can become 'prove it then'. Which is impossible in this environment.

If there was a way of preventing that stalemate, yes Id be all for discussion threads.

Since a true sceptic should really base any position they take on evidence, some turnabout could be fun

Oryx

I've attended a Paranormal Forum Event

stevenmu wrote: »

Since a true sceptic should really base any position they take on evidence, some turnabout could be fun

It will be interesting to see if we can manage fair discussion without bloodshed.:)

Only problem I have with the evidence is I cant call down the deceased relatives of any posters here. Which poses a difficulty for me in illustrating my evidence.

Slow Motion

I'm Female

GuanYin wrote: »

Fortean times, while interesting, doesn't really serve anything a mega thread wouldn't or the forum in general, does it?

Obviously since I proposed the Boardean Times forum / sub-forum I disagree since the subject is far too broad for a single thread however mega as individual topics would get lost or be missed. Take a look at the fortean times website and see the range of subjects that are covered. Other than that I like this forum pretty much as it is but then I only read threads of interest to me, I don't know really if I post enough or involve myself enough in the topics here to have more of an opinion than that.

flash21

was wondering if there is any upcoming investigations happening. would love to be involved