Dublin Outer Orbital Route (DOOR)?

Irish and Proud

Hi,

I heard that the Dublin Outer Orbital Route (DOOR) is not going ahead (in this week's Meath Chronicle). Now, is the road scrapped or is it just being postponed? I know that it's not a part of Transport 21! Apparently, the whole of Meath is up in arms - some Meath TDs say that the road would carry 55k PCUs per day and is the obvious thing to do. They also say that both the proposed North East Hospital and Breamor Port projects need this road to secure economic viability.

To me, the DOOR concept is good, but do we need the road now or is it better to just identify a reservation (that can be protected from development) so that the route can be implemented at some time in the future? Would it be better to invest in rail for now and look at doing the Dublin-Navan line and quad-tracking parts of the Dublin-Drogheda line?

I'll leave it to you guys!

Bluetonic

Not new news, I'm sure it's been announced a while back.

Prob best to post in this forum

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=887

invincibleirish

If i were in Meath i'd be happy with the news,im well aware of quality of life issues at stake (like long driving commutes) do you really want the area to just became a giant east/west/north/south Motorway corridor with barely a railway in site;)?

jjbrien

its unbelivable that they have no vison what so ever. they think that they can rely soly on the m50 and by adding an extra lane to the m50 that will solve all their problems :rolleyes: lack of vison is this country is what has got us in to the sorry state of affairs with the m50 we need another orbital route now as when the extra lane on the m50 opens up it will still be a car park

jkgvfg

Latest I heard on the DOOR was 2020.

markf909

jjbrien wrote: »

its unbelivable that they have no vison what so ever. they think that they can rely soly on the m50 and by adding an extra lane to the m50 that will solve all their problems :rolleyes: lack of vison is this country is what has got us in to the sorry state of affairs with the m50 we need another orbital route now as when the extra lane on the m50 opens up it will still be a car park

In fairness by the time they actually finished building it, I reckon we'd know a lot more about peak oil.

T21 will not be built by 2015 so the odds on this project getting done by 2020? :rolleyes:

jjbrien

markf909 wrote: »

In fairness by the time they actually finished building it, I reckon we'd know a lot more about peak oil.

T21 will not be built by 2015 so the odds on this project getting done by 2020? :rolleyes:

they can build a motorway from kicock to galway in 4 years but cant build a simple road around dublin in 13 years this country has gone to the dogs :eek:

spacetweek

jjbrien wrote: »

they can build a motorway from kicock to galway in 4 years but cant build a simple road around dublin in 13 years this country has gone to the dogs :eek:

Of course they can, they just don't want to, the 55k PCUs bit is nonsense. Most of the traffic in the Dublin area is the radials, an orbital is just a convenience really.

jjbrien

spacetweek wrote: »

Of course they can, they just don't want to, the 55k PCUs bit is nonsense. Most of the traffic in the Dublin area is the radials, an orbital is just a convenience really.

so your telling me its perfectly fine in this day of age for me to take 2 hours to drive from Swords to Clondalkin or if i want to go from airport to mulligar i have to sit for 2 hours on the m50 then onto the choked n4:eek:

loyatemu

jjbrien wrote: »

so your telling me its perfectly fine in this day of age for me to take 2 hours to drive from Swords to Clondalkin or if i want to go from airport to mulligar i have to sit for 2 hours on the m50 then onto the choked n4:eek:

don't think the outer orbital motorway would help you much in either of those scenarios. Its proposed to run Drogheda-Navan-Naas (or thereabouts).

invincibleirish

jjbrien wrote: »

so your telling me its perfectly fine in this day of age for me to take 2 hours to drive from Swords to Clondalkin or if i want to go from airport to mulligar i have to sit for 2 hours on the m50 then onto the choked n4:eek:

Welcome to Ireland, where have you been while we bought all our cars?

Nostradamus

Sean Quinn the bazillionaire said something interesting about it a few months back. He said the orbital motorway should be built but with a rail line down the middle.

It's an interesting idea. I have no doubt this baby will get built, but if a railline down the middle can be included it would make it less scary to the Green Party, this might be a workable compromise.

Chris_533976

This was never part of T21 and noone ever said 'this is when it will be build'. Ideas were being flung around about building it.

All they've said is that they're not going to build it right now, but the papers have jumped on this in a sensationalist hype.

D'Peoples Voice

jjbrien wrote: »

so your telling me its perfectly fine in this day of age for me to take 2 hours to drive from Swords to Clondalkin or if i want to go from airport to mulligar i have to sit for 2 hours on the m50 then onto the choked n4:eek:

Not to worry, you will be able to use the Atlantic Road Corridor from Swords to Clondalkin
http://www.frankfahey.ie/news.month.php?id=188
So from Swords, you go North on the M1, turn off for Ardee, and get on the N2, follow the road towards Derry, turning off for Letterkenny. From there, you follow the signs for Waterford via sligo, Galway, Limerick and Cork. Taking the M9(N9) out of Waterford, you follow the signs for Dublin, and when you get to Newlands Cross, take a Left.
Now whats wrong with that as a commuter route each morning and evening?

jjbrien

D'Peoples Voice wrote: »

Not to worry, you will be able to use the Atlantic Road Corridor from Swords to Clondalkin
http://www.frankfahey.ie/news.month.php?id=188
So from Swords, you go North on the M1, turn off for Ardee, and get on the N2, follow the road towards Derry, turning off for Letterkenny. From there, you follow the signs for Waterford via sligo, Galway, Limerick and Cork. Taking the M9(N9) out of Waterford, you follow the signs for Dublin, and when you get to Newlands Cross, take a Left.
Now whats wrong with that as a commuter route each morning and evening?

lol im sure thats whats going trough the minister of transports head

spacetweek

Nostradamus wrote: »

Sean Quinn the bazillionaire said something interesting about it a few months back. He said the orbital motorway should be built but with a rail line down the middle.

It's an interesting idea. I have no doubt this baby will get built, but if a railline down the middle can be included it would make it less scary to the Green Party, this might be a workable compromise.

That's a thoroughly rubbish idea. A rail line - to connect what towns and major cities? To connect what train stations? Rail lines down the middle of roads only work in very specific circumstances e.g. when it passes through a densely urbanised area or for a short distance as it heads out to an outlying town. The DOOR will not connect any major cities with towns.

jjbrien

invincibleirish wrote: »

Welcome to Ireland, where have you been while we bought all our cars?

My dad was selling them to people

invincibleirish

jjbrien wrote: »

My dad was selling them to people

Ah yes i think i know him

D.L.R.

spacetweek wrote: »

That's a thoroughly rubbish idea. A rail line - to connect what towns and major cities? To connect what train stations? Rail lines down the middle of roads only work in very specific circumstances e.g. when it passes through a densely urbanised area or for a short distance as it heads out to an outlying town. The DOOR will not connect any major cities with towns.

It would connect Belfast directly to Cork and the Southwest, bypassing Dublin. That has some merit. It would take at least an hour off the current journey, for just 20 or 30 miles of new track. Don't know how feasible it is though, probably not very. Capacity issues would probably sink the idea. Would be great to see an expanded rail network though as it is sadly lacking.

Bards

D.L.R. wrote: »

It would connect Belfast directly to Cork and the Southwest, bypassing Dublin. That has some merit. It would take at least an hour off the current journey, for just 20 or 30 miles of new track. Don't know how feasible it is though, probably not very. Capacity issues would probably sink the idea. Would be great to see an expanded rail network though as it is sadly lacking.

It would not just connect Cork to Belfast, but all the Interurban routes and thus main population centers on the Island

paulm17781

D.L.R. wrote: »

It would connect Belfast directly to Cork and the Southwest, bypassing Dublin. That has some merit. It would take at least an hour off the current journey, for just 20 or 30 miles of new track. Don't know how feasible it is though, probably not very. Capacity issues would probably sink the idea. Would be great to see an expanded rail network though as it is sadly lacking.

Any line like that which does not stop in Dublin will fail.

jd

The gradient requirements for railway are stricter than for roads, so it is not quite as straightforward as just putting lines down the middle.

Victor

paulm17781 wrote: »

Any line like that which does not stop in Dublin will fail.

Agreed, railways like airlines operate from hubs, bypassing a major hub with minor amounts of traffic is nonsense.

Amtmann

Anyone have any new inside info on the DOOR?

I'd be keen to see proposed routes laid out on a map. But has anyone actually done traffic surveys to see if it'd be a viable alternative to the M50?

marmurr1916

There's no need for a DOOR. Upgrade the N33 from the M1 to Ardee to motorway. Then upgrade the N52 from Ardee to Tullamore to motorway. Finally upgrade the N80 from Tullamore to north of Enniscorthy to motorway.

The end result would be a motorway corridor linking all of the major routes to/from Dublin to each other, a corridor linking the main routes to/from urban centres in the south and west with the main routes in the north and east via the midlands.

The route would be much further from Dublin, meaning it's much less likely to be used as a commuter route by traffic in the Greater Dublin area, and it would link the regions to each other in a way which would encourage more balanced development.

A spur from the M1 to the proposed Bremore Port would be sufficient for its operation.

Seth Brundle

I wouldn't have thought that the N52 should be motorway - just a decent road with room for safe overtaking (e.g. alternating 2+1)

BluntGuy

kbannon wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought that the N52 should be motorway - just a decent road with room for safe overtaking (e.g. alternating 2+1)

Yuck. 2+1 roads... no... no... NO!!!

WS2, 2+2, ANYTHING but those hideous creations!!!

But I agree with your point, the N52 doesn't need to be motorway standard, just upgraded to handle more traffic.

marmurr1916

Think of the advantages of having motorways connecting all regions of Ireland to each other without having to go anywhere near Dublin.

For example, you'd be able to travel from the south-east to Galway via the M9, the M80 through the midlands, then west along the M6.

You'd be able to get from the Sligo and the north-west to the south-east via the N2/3/4 then via the M52 to Tullamore and then the M80 to link up with the M9/N10 and N11.

If the N52/N80 were upgraded to motorways there would be much better connectivity between the various regions and better choices of routes. That way we'd avoid the UK's problem of having only a small number of very busy, very congested motorways and have something more like the German system.

Having looked at some maps, a better route would actually be to roughly follow a line north of the N51 from near Drogheda to north of Navan, then a line mid-way between the N51 and N52 to close to Delvin, then roughly follow the N52 to Tullamore, then roughly follow the N80 to near Enniscorthy.

The first section would mean that Drogheda, Navan and Mullingar were linked by a motorway.

The motorways would also form a super-bypass of Dublin, eliminating the need for the DOOR and reducing congestion on the M50.

BluntGuy

marmurr1916 wrote: »

Think of the advantages of having motorways connecting all regions of Ireland to each other without having to go anywhere near Dublin.

For example, you'd be able to travel from the south-east to Galway via the M9, the M80 through the midlands, then west along the M6.

You'd be able to get from the Sligo and the north-west to the south-east via the N2/3/4 then via the M52 to Tullamore and then the M80 to link up with the M9/N10 and N11.

If the N52/N80 were upgraded to motorways there would be much better connectivity between the various regions and better choices of routes. That way we'd avoid the UK's problem of having only a small number of very busy, very congested motorways and have something more like the German system.

Having looked at some maps, a better route would actually be to roughly follow a line north of the N51 from near Drogheda to north of Navan, then a line mid-way between the N51 and N52 to close to Delvin, then roughly follow the N52 to Tullamore, then roughly follow the N80 to near Enniscorthy.

The first section would mean that Drogheda, Navan and Mullingar were linked by a motorway.

The motorways would also form a super-bypass of Dublin, eliminating the need for the DOOR and reducing congestion on the M50.

Agreed.

This stigma of 'every-major-road-leads-to-Dublin' needs to be stamped out.
Imagine Limerick/Cork/Waterford to Belfast traffic all use the M50.

There's surely something wrong there.

marmurr1916

Here's a map of possible route.

Irish and Proud

marmurr1916 wrote: »

There's no need for a DOOR. Upgrade the N33 from the M1 to Ardee to motorway. Then upgrade the N52 from Ardee to Tullamore to motorway. Finally upgrade the N80 from Tullamore to north of Enniscorthy to motorway.

The end result would be a motorway corridor linking all of the major routes to/from Dublin to each other, a corridor linking the main routes to/from urban centres in the south and west with the main routes in the north and east via the midlands.

The route would be much further from Dublin, meaning it's much less likely to be used as a commuter route by traffic in the Greater Dublin area, and it would link the regions to each other in a way which would encourage more balanced development.

A spur from the M1 to the proposed Bremore Port would be sufficient for its operation.

Mostly correct! :cool:

The N52 and N80 will probably have to be upgraded anyway, and S2 and WS2 are not safe road types - 2+1s don't really work, and by the time the DOOR would be built, the traffic on the N52 and N80 routes would probably require a 2+2 layout (prior to DOOR completion). So yeah! Why build the DOOR when an upgrade of the above mentioned routes could easily be brought from 2+2 to motorway standard? The whole thing could then be called the M33. In tandem with your point, this would better serve the National Spatial Strategy. However, I wouldn't agree with your point relating to Braemor Port. The freight traffic would have to travel too far north to avail of the "M33".

Interesting concept though!

Sponge Bob

Sadly it will be closer to Dublin than the N52/N80 route . It is as much a backup for the Westlink as a genuine 'outer' route.

Furthermore it will be a tolled PPP route and will therefore trend east to where the traffic is in order to atract the consortia.

There was a mooted plan to upgrade the N52/N80 route as a Leinster Orbital a few years back which seems to have been ignored in favour of what I would personally call the Pale Orbital plan.

At this moment in time , from what I understand , the Pale Orbital has a better chance of being built than does most of the Atlantic Corridor even though it is not in Transport 21 at all. It wouldl be a northward extension of the M9 and a toll would be introduced on the M9 as an early sweetener for the PPP consortium .

BluntGuy

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Sadly it will be closer to Dublin than the N52/N80 route . It is as much a backup for the Westlink as a genuine 'outer' route.

Furthermore it will be a tolled PPP route and will therefore trend east to where the traffic is in order to atract the consortia.

There was a mooted plan to upgrade the N52/N80 route as a Leinster Orbital a few years back which seems to have been ignored in favour of what I would personally call the Pale Orbital plan.

At this moment in time , from what I understand , the Pale Orbital has a better chance of being built than does most of the Atlantic Corridor even though it is not in Transport 21 at all. It wouldl be a northward extension of the M9 and a toll would be introduced on the M9 as an early sweetener for the PPP consortium .

Well, while I'm not against the Dublin Outer Orbital, I certainly don't want to see it take priority over the routes selected in transport 21.

They should finish the inter-urbans, the M50 upgrade, the Atlantic Corridor and all other schemes planned under Transport 21.

After that they can deal with the DOOR, the N24 and other such projects...

Sponge Bob

BluntGuy wrote: »

Well, while I'm not against the Dublin Outer Orbital, I certainly don't want to see it take priority over the routes selected in transport 21.

Better tell the Dept of Finance that . It would be the cheapest motorway project in the state on a per mile basis as 'envisaged' because it would have 30k + movements a day along much of it .

It would also take a lot of through traffic off the M50 and provide redundancy for the M50 .

They should finish the inter-urbans, the M50 upgrade, the Atlantic Corridor and all other schemes planned under Transport 21.

Show me the money ! That lot will cost min €4bn beyond what they have already contracted out ( the MIUs) . I agree they should finish them but I have no faith in our politicians .

After that they can deal with the DOOR, the N24 and other such projects...

Funny you mentioned the N24 .

If the N24 were done to Motorway standard they could delay the rest of the Waterford - Cork - Limerick ( N20 / N25) route for years ....call it a sawn off Atlantic Corridor .

Instead of a c 140 mile motorway via N20 and N25 you have a c.69-72 mile Motorway from the M9 to Limerick .

Big motorway junction around Cahir for the Cork people to ingress and egress .

I would not be surprised to see a Waterford - Limerick - Galway ( spur to Cork on M8) motorway proposed in the near future.

I bags Willie O Dea to fly that particular kite :cool: . Conveniently it has not been designed either and cannot be built for years with money we do not have anyway .

spacetweek

I've got a map here, of the N52 and N80 upgrade. The map shows my wishlist for a post-T21 road program. My N52 upgrade goes as far as Nenagh, however, cause I envision the roads less as a Dublin bypass and more as two diagonals running making an X on the midlands. Sections of the M6 and M7 are needed as linking roads. The NRA already apparently have a plan to upgrade the N61 from Boyle to Athlone, but as SC, though this is probably OK as this section of the X would be the quietest.

spacetweek

Sponge Bob wrote: »

That lot will cost min €4bn beyond what they have already contracted out ( the MIUs) .

Uh oh! Spongy is making up numbers again!

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Instead of a c 140 mile motorway via N20 and N25 you have a c.69-72 mile Motorway from the M9 to Limerick.
Big motorway junction around Cahir for the Cork people to ingress and egress.

Nonsense, that would be hugely out of Cork motorists' way. That's the type of thinking that had jackasses proposing an M9 that ran Naas-Waterford-Cork which would have resulted in absolutely no road access for anyone in Cork.

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I bags Willie O Dea to fly that particular kite :cool: . Conveniently it has not been designed either and cannot be built for years with money we do not have anyway .

There will be no funding shortfall for roads, I'll bet on it.

marmurr1916

spacetweek wrote: »

I've got a map here, of the N52 and N80 upgrade. The map shows my wishlist for a post-T21 road program. My N52 upgrade goes as far as Nenagh, however, cause I envision the roads less as a Dublin bypass and more as two diagonals running making an X on the midlands. Sections of the M6 and M7 are needed as linking roads. The NRA already apparently have a plan to upgrade the N61 from Boyle to Athlone, but as SC, though this is probably OK as this section of the X would be the quietest.

An N61 upgrade between Boyle and Athlone would be great and definitely on any post T21 wishlist, along with an upgrade of the N62 from Roscrea to Athlone (combined with a full interchange at the M8/M7 junction) to make up a Cork-northwest corridor via the midlands as an alternative to the Cork-Sligo section of the Atlantic Corridor.

I'd also love to see the N12/N54/N55 corridor upgraded (along a different alignment to avoid the N54/A3/N54/A3 section) to at least a 2+2 national primary route (N12) to provide a link from the midlands towards Belfast and the north-east.

Who knows? Maybe some of these roads will even be built some day. :cool:

Sponge Bob

spacetweek wrote: »

Uh oh! Spongy is making up numbers again!

You count so , add the schemes up that have not started yet on the Atlantic Corridor. Do note that the government promised motorway but it will have to be 2+2 save between Tuam and Cork .

The only bit of the corridor that will not have to be redone is the bit between Patrickswell and Ennis and the N25 dualled sections and south of Sligo town.

All the rest needs to be built or retrofitted as 2+2 . €4bn for all that . If it were to be Motorway then it would cost €5bn +

Nonsense, that would be hugely out of Cork motorists' way.

Not hugely , another 30 miles to either Waterford or to Limerick (if via Cahir ) but on a much better road if you do the N24 .

There will be no funding shortfall for roads, I'll bet on it.

There is still no money . The government is looking at a deficit of well over €10bn next year and likely near that in 2010 . The EU Commission will sit on them after that which will kill capital expenditure for years .

Realistically, whatever transport budget is available after 2010 will be dedicated to saving CIE from Bankruptcy and filling a few potholes here and there.

Sponge Bob

spacetweek wrote: »

Uh oh! Spongy is making up numbers again!

You count so , add the schemes up that have not started yet on the Atlantic Corridor. Do note that the government promised motorway but it will have to be 2+2 save between Tuam and Cork .

The only bit of the corridor that will not have to be redone is between Patrickswell and Ennis and the N25 dualled sections.

All the rest needs to be built or retrofitted as 2+2 . €4bn for all that .

Nonsense, that would be hugely out of Cork motorists' way.

Not hugely , another 30 miles to either Waterford or to Limerick (if via Cahir ) but on a much better road .

There will be no funding shortfall for roads, I'll bet on it.

There is still no money . The government is looking at a deficit of well over €10bn next year and likely near that in 2010 . The EU Commission will sit on them after that which will kill capital expenditure for years .

Realistically, whatever transport budget is available after 2010 will be dedicated to saving CIE from Bankruptcy and filling a few potholes here and there.

invincibleirish

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Not hugely , another 30 miles to either Waterford or to Limerick (if via Cahir ) but on a much better road if you do the N24 .

Nope, an extra 30 miles & a Toll will mean that no matter how great a N24 DC is the N20 will still be the main artery for most Cork - Limerick traffic as well as commuter traffic. the N20 carries more vehicles then the N24 anyway and parts of it are in dire need of an upgrade, the notion of upgrading the N24 in favour of the N20 is a crazy one.

marmurr1916

And the NRA is planning to replace the N20 with an M20 anyway!

BluntGuy

invincibleirish wrote: »

Nope, an extra 30 miles & a Toll will mean that no matter how great a N24 DC is the N20 will still be the main artery for most Cork - Limerick traffic as well as commuter traffic. the N20 carries more vehicles then the N24 anyway and parts of it are in dire need of an upgrade, the notion of upgrading the N24 in favour of the N20 is a crazy one.

I agree. The N20 needs to be sorted out first. Luckily the M20 will cater for this.

Then the N24 could be upgraded to 2+2 carriageway allowing for a decent route between Limerick and Waterford. I think a motorway may just be a bit excessive for that route.

invincibleirish

BluntGuy wrote: »

Luckily the M20 will cater for this.

Pfft if it gets built!

Victor

Knock off the sharp talk please.

marmurr1916

Seems likely that T21 is safe:

Monday, September 15, 2008
Government to escape fine for breaking EU deficit rules
JAMIE SMYTH, European Correspondent
THE EUROPEAN Commission has warned the Government it will receive "no special treatment" when it breaks the rules governing the operation of the euro zone this year.

But the State is unlikely to face any fine for breaking the EU stability and growth pact if, in the medium term, it manages to bring its budget deficit back into line with the regulations.

Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan told EU economic affairs commissioner Joaquin Almunia at a weekend meeting of EU finance ministers in Nice, France that the State would breach the 3 per cent budget deficit level set out under the EU rules in 2008/2009.

He also asked Brussels to allow the Government some flexibility when it formally considers the matter in November because of the State's need to invest heavily in infrastructure.

But commission officials yesterday denied a report which said that Mr Almunia had given an "unofficial green light" to Mr Lenihan to breach the pact.

"There was a meeting with the finance minister at which Mr Almunia discussed the budget. But Mr Almunia said if there is a budget deficit it would be handled in the way foreseen in the stability and growth pact and there would be no special treatment afforded to Ireland," said a commission spokesman.

The stability and growth pact was created to ensure the smooth running of the euro currency and the wider European economy.

It commits EU states to avoid excessive budgetary deficits by keeping their budget deficit to gross domestic product (GDP) ratio below a 3 per cent limit and maintaining their debt to GDP ratio below 60 per cent.

Last week Mr Lenihan confirmed the Government would breach the 3 per cent EU limit due to a sharp deterioration in the public finances prompted by the global economic downturn. He is expected to outline an austerity plan designed to ensure that the State is in compliance with the EU regulations by 2010 when he announces an emergency budget next month.

Irish Times, 15th September 2008.

IMO this means that the government is going to breach the deficit and borrowing limits to invest in infrastructure but cut back on current spending, with the approval of the European Commission.

mysterious

I'VE SAID IT BEFORE


And I'll say it again to the clueless people of the room. The upgraded 2+2 N80/N52 will not work as good or as efficient a outer ring road connecting the main motorways would. Its a very simple fact to know, if you have half a brain.


NOW......
Do you people how much money, time, and effort to actually upgrading the N52/N80 would take?
To many bends, hilly terrain, old road layouts, urban areas. The actual route does not seem to have any direct route. The N52 has a redicoulous amounts of TOTOS on the existing road even.

*M40* has a larger population catchment and links all the main routes throughout the country. The M40 would relieve the eastern seaboard of interurban/cross country traffic. The M40 would Connect all the southern and western Motorways to the M1 and the North. The M40 is not only cheaper but a much shorter distance than that of an upgraded N52.


I could give a bagzilion more reasons.. but its pretty obvious which route will work better, certainly not an upgraded 2+2 N52. It just wouldn't be feasible or attract the traffic that the M40 would attract. The upgraded N52 would cost billions, its just insane for people to say scrap the M40 and go for the second option of turning our 50 year old secondary roads into a complete new dual carriegway.. Laughable talking and bad planning.

I swear to god, some people dont have logic at ALL.

Amtmann

Irish Times article about this in yesterday's paper: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0930/1222724571602.html

Irish and Proud

Furet wrote: »

Irish Times article about this in yesterday's paper: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0930/1222724571602.html

Interesting!

My guess was that the DOOR would start around the area of the toll plaza at Balgeen in order to accommodate the traffic from the proposed Braemor Port. However, looking at the public finances and the economic situation (unless the €400bn bank guarantee scheme works well), we could just be talking a load of hot air. Hopefully not, but we'll just have to see what happens on Oct 14th.

Thanks for the info though!

Regards!

lostexpectation

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/836465m-stadium-plan-hits-nra-roadblock-1485879.html

Meanwhile, Councillor Tommy Byrne (FF) called on Drogheda borough council to "write to the NRA and ask them to withdraw their objection".


unbelievalbe where does this county councillor get off telling the nra to withdraw from saving a landbank for furture national motorway that will go across 5 counties?

dmeehan

mysterious wrote: »

...The N52 has a redicoulous amounts of TOTOS on the existing road ...

sorry, whats a TOTOS?

Zoney

TOTSO - turn off to stay on.

E.g. M11 heading to Dublin - if you stay on the central lanes, you end up on the M50.

A more obvious example is the N20 out from Limerick - if you don't leave the dual carriageway at J4, you end up on the N21 heading to Adare, rather than on the N20 to Cork.