whey protein

colman1212

Hi guys,
Going to the gym about a year and I'm going to buy a protein supplement for the first time. Don't have a clue what I should be buying but was going to try promax for a start. I want to build strength and lean muscle. What protein is best or would people recommend. I was going to drink one straight after the gym and one in the morning. Does this sould correct? and should I drink them on cardio days?

Hanley

Maximuscle has steroids in it. I wouldn't use them. (I'm joking, I'm joking, there's been alot of idiocy and ignorant misinformed opinions in some national papers recently about all this sh!te. Maximuscle products are totally safe and contain no steroids)

Your best bet after workouts is a protein AND carbs shake to kick start the recovery process. RAM is my personal favourite http://pronutrition.ie/products.php?action=product&id=7 (and it tastes sexy)

If you JUST want protein then you can't go wrong with Big Whey http://pronutrition.ie/products.php?action=product&id=6 It'd be perfect to have in the morning with breakfast or as a mid afternoon snack with some fruit.

I'd recommend you get both, but if you're only gonna get one then get Big Whey. Have it after your workout and then chase it down with some lucozade or something.

rubadub

Hanley wrote: »

Your best bet after workouts is a protein AND carbs shake

And usually 2 parts simple carbs by weight to one part protein by weight. Instead of having glucose or other formulas I have a whey shake and biscuits, cakes or oven chips with ketchup, since I am going to give into the carbs sometime, it may as well go to some use.

Just finished polishing off a pack of biscuits right now with a big chocolate shake.:pac::pac:

colman1212

cool, I think I'll just get the big whey for the moment and see how that goes. Are there any shops in dublin city centre which sell it? So even something like toast and a whey shake after a gym session would be good yes?

timetogetfit

promax is too expensive the following represnts the best quailty and value and is in most good supplement shops

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html

Esse85

Choc mint is good.

rubadub

colman1212 wrote: »

cool, I think I'll just get the big whey for the moment and see how that goes. Are there any shops in dublin city centre which sell it? So even something like toast and a whey shake after a gym session would be good yes?

Most will recommend it is taken immediately after a workout. I workout at home so can have stuff cooking while training. I start eating before I actually finish up, I figure if it should be got immediately then no harm in it being in my digesting as I finish.

Simple carbs like glucose are probably best, I am not that fond of it so eat what I really enjoy and miss on non-training days sweets, chips etc, if toast is your fav carbs then you may as well go for it, but it should be ASAP. I also make oat pancakes with whey, eggs and water, with loads of maple syrup.

Saabdub

Degsy wrote: »

anything carrying that brand name is being seized by customs and delayed or sent back..

Please fill us in. What are customs doing

Saabdub

Hanley

Saabdub wrote: »

Please fill us in. What are customs doing

Saabdub

Ripping open all the bodybuilding.com packages and taking AAAAAGES looking thru them for banned stuff apparently.

Saabdub

Hanley wrote: »

Ripping open all the bodybuilding.com packages and taking AAAAAGES looking thru them for banned stuff apparently.

They must have a lot of time on their hands:rolleyes: I suppose looking for coke and horse is more difficult as the packages are not labelled;)

Saabdub

Degsy

Saabdub wrote: »

They must have a lot of time on their hands:rolleyes: I suppose looking for coke and horse is more difficult as the packages are not labelled;)

Saabdub

From what i hear anything with Tribulus in the ingredients is likely to be impounded although if you want ephedrine its still available on the net!

Saabdub

Degsy wrote: »

From what i hear anything with Tribulus in the ingredients is likely to be impounded although if you want ephedrine its still available on the net!

Tribulus is banned When did that happen?

Saabdub

Hanley

Degsy wrote: »

From what i hear anything with Tribulus in the ingredients is likely to be impounded although if you want ephedrine its still available on the net!

Same with high conc. vitamin levels.

Ephedrine was actually taken off the WADA list last year, it's only banned for in competition use now as far as I know.

Degsy

Saabdub wrote: »

Tribulus is banned When did that happen?

Saabdub

Dunno if they banned it per se but they've been busy taking it off the shelves in supplement shops and impounding any they come across in the post.Mind you Holland and Barret were selling it openly two weeks ago under the name "Horny Goatweed",it was horribly expensive at half price even and IMO isnt worth a bollox!

Saabdub

Degsy wrote: »

Dunno if they banned it per se but they've been busy taking it off the shelves in supplement shops and impounding any they come across in the post.Mind you Holland and Barret were selling it openly two weeks ago under the name "Horny Goatweed",it was horribly expensive at half price even and IMO isnt worth a bollox!

Hmmmm, this reminds me of the old censorship regime. It was introduced to ban "pornography" but ended up being extended to Hemingway, Steinbeck, etc. and a lot of Irish Writers as well as magazines like Cosmopolitan, True Detective Stories and News of the World. For a while people had to smuggle books and Magazines from the North and England. Sounds crazy now, but it was justified at the time, saving people from themselves.

It's the same with supplements now. I'm an adult, what I put into my body is my business:mad: As long as I have the information to make an informed choice the rest should be up to me not some faceless beaurocrat. Raaaaant

Saabdub

g'em

The IMB Guide to the Definition of a Medicine including classification of herbal prodcuts, slimming aids and homeopathic medicines; and the Guide to the Definition of a Medicinal Product which includes RDA's of Vitamins and a list of controlled herbs and herb tinctures.

Ephedra, Gingko balboa and yohimbine are all subject to pxn control but I can't see a mention of tribulus. I've only glanced at it though so if someone else sees it just point it out...

rubadub

Degsy wrote: »

"Horny Goatweed",

Saw 2 types on the health store in blackrock at the weekend, 2 types by the same brand, dunno what was in it.

I didn't know ephedrine was legally available, can you get it cheaply online anywhere? Is it a grey area at all?

I thought it was highly restricted as it is a precursor to methampetamine, though pseudoephedrine can be used too, which is freely available.

EDIT, ephedrine is listed as class B here http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/en/si/0540.html dunno if that is out of date.

Degsy

rubadub wrote: »

Saw 2 types on the health store in blackrock at the weekend, 2 types by the same brand, dunno what was in it.

I didn't know ephedrine was legally available, can you get it cheaply online anywhere? Is it a grey area at all?

I thought it was highly restricted as it is a precursor to methampetamine, though pseudoephedrine can be used too, which is freely available.

EDIT, ephedrine is listed as class B here http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/en/si/0540.html dunno if that is out of date.

Horny Goatweed is another word for tribulus,based on its supposed aphrodisiac qualities.Psuedoepehdrine is a cold and flu remedy available in Sudofet tablets,they havnt restricted the sale in this country as we dont have a meth problem yet,however in new zealand you're only allowed six prescriptions a year off any remedy containg pseudoephedrine as people were buying it up and making meth.Epehdrine is available online either as a weight-loss stacker or under the chinese name ma huang..here's a site that sells it http://www.badasssupplements.com/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=27
Also you can by epehdra seed online in various herb shops and grow your own,it needs sandy soil and a lot of sunlight!

Roper

I love the sound of Yohimbe. Say it over and over, it's a fantastic word.

Anyway just re. the IMB's controls and the concept of self-determination when it comes to medicine or supplements. It's a fine and fair idea to say "It's MY body" and I agree to an extent. But ultimately the IMB's remit isn't to censor or deny your rights to certain things, it's to make sure that potentially hazardous items are not readily available.

As many people have said, if someone makes an informed decision that is their responsibility. However how many people do you know who could and would make an informed decision about what chemicals they want to ingest? I mean a really informed decision, as in not such a guy used it and he got huge. People tend to ignore long term in favour of the short term and while some people might say oh that's terrible it's the nanny state etc., it is vital as there are a lot of young men in particular who would be exposing themselves to long term medical conditions without it. I know of one guy at the moment who has been diagnosed with a very serious liver condition and will be in need of a transplant in a few years because of steroid use. If I asked him would he rather be as he is now or just remained a regular size without roids I think I know the answer because he's 30 and staring at a lifetime of pain. And this guy made an informed decision, taking his time, choosing the right stuff and he worked really, really hard in the gym too.

Is the average 18 year old who wants to get big going to wait for the results of a lot of hard work when he knows there is a way to take a shortcut? Will he make an informed decision if certain things are readily available? Liberalisation is a fine idea, but I think we have to accept that the majority of people aren't going to go and read about good/bad and read scientific journals to establish what they should and shouldn't take. They're going to take the word of the bigest guy in the gym because that's who they see it working on.

However, the real problem with the IMB is the fact that it exists in a democracy. Creatine is bad! Creatine is causing my son to hate me! My son went mad after smoking a rock of Creatine! And suddenly a councillor in some leafy suburb is calling for the IMB to ban Creatine.

Anyway, classic stuff from my mate Karl. One of the lads is saying that he's taking tribulus and is seeing results. Karl says, "you won't see me taking that sh1t", "There's nothing wrong with it though, it's extracted from plants!", "Yeah? Well so's heroine"

rubadub

Degsy wrote: »

http://www.badasssupplements.com/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=27[/URL]
Also you can by epehdra seed online in various herb shops and grow your own,it needs sandy soil and a lot of sunlight!

Cheers. I was in NZ a few years back, meth was all over the papers, they call it P there, and yabba in thailand. A lot of meth is reddish pink, and that is due to the fact that sudafed tabs have a red coating. Big notice on the linked site saying it is banned yet they are still selling? could be a marketing scam. Is it legally available in shops here?

I love the sound of Yohimbe. Say it over and over, it's a fantastic word.

Never even tried to say it before, this goes for a lot of meds and drugs I read about. Head into the pharmacy/health store, and an assistant will come up "what are you looking for" I just go blank "ehhh.. it starts with a Y and has a H and a M in it":D

Creatine is bad! Creatine is causing my son to hate me! My son went mad after smoking a rock of Creatine!

Yeah, creatine made my son aggressive, he had 12 pints and got in a fight, must have been a creatine flashback from that spoonful 2 years ago, no other reasonable explanation.

Degsy

rubadub wrote: »

Cheers. I was in NZ a few years back, meth was all over the papers, they call it P there, and yabba in thailand. A lot of meth is reddish pink, and that is due to the fact that sudafed tabs have a red coating. Big notice on the linked site saying it is banned yet they are still selling? could be a marketing scam. Is it legally available in shops here?

Ya wont get epehdra over here unless you're freindly with a chinese herbalist,they use it as Ma Huang.As for ordering online,i know somebody who bought the Yello bombers or whatever they're called and they arrived but there's allways a risk..

Saabdub

Roper wrote: »

Anyway just re. the IMB's controls and the concept of self-determination when it comes to medicine or supplements. It's a fine and fair idea to say "It's MY body" and I agree to an extent. But ultimately the IMB's remit isn't to censor or deny your rights to certain things, it's to make sure that potentially hazardous items are not readily available. "

I agree, but I wonder why they don't tackle the most harmful substance used in Ireland today, tobacco. If you take just the nicotine, according to Wikipedia it is more toxic than many other alkaloids such as cocaine and is used as an insecticide.

No, the Government's approach is to place a health warning on the product so that the individual can make an informed decision about using it-even if it gives them cancer, heart disease, stroke and a lifetime of bad breath.

So if a product like Tribulus, or St. John's Wort or whatever, is legally on sale in other EU Countries I can't see why it should't be sold here with a warning something like:

The IMB has not determined that this product is completely safe and advises that it not be taken.

I guess I'm just a libertarian at heart:D

Saabdub

Roper

No you have a good point there alright. You have to remember though that tobacco is entrenched in our society, unlike trib.

Saabdub

Roper wrote: »

tobacco is entrenched in our society, unlike trib.

Yes and the Government gets more than €1 billion from taxing tobacco every year, so there'e even less of an incentive to ban it:)

Saabdub

Degsy

They probably figure its some unknown miracle drug that bodybuilders are becomming massive and agressive on without their say-so.If they could be bothered to do clinical trials they could either discover its not worth a damn in which case legalise it and tax it,or its great alltogether,legalise it,double the price and tax it.

rubadub

Saabdub wrote: »

I agree, but I wonder why they don't tackle the most harmful substance used in Ireland today, tobacco.

Just the same as they won't do with alcohol, Mammy and Bertie drink it, so it must be grand, right?!?

Research recently published in the medical journal The Lancet rates the most dangerous drugs (starting with the worst) as follows:

1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbiturates
4. Street methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines
8. Amphetamine
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate
16. Anabolic steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl nitrates
20. Khat

Horizon documentary about it here
there was a thread in AH about it.

Ya wont get epehdra over here unless you're freindly with a chinese herbalist

Might have to stick with my mate "Decco the herbalist"

g'em

Khat is a dangerous drug?? Jeebus I was chewing my bodyweight of it on a daily basis for a fortnight in Ethiopia last summer. No wonder I have such fond memories of the country

Dragan

g'em wrote: »

Khat is a dangerous drug?? Jeebus I was chewing my bodyweight of it on a daily basis for a fortnight in Ethiopia last summer. No wonder I have such fond memories of the country

Well in the very least it explains the interesting colours and your two week ability to talk to the animals!

g'em

Dragan wrote: »

Well in the very least it explains the interesting colours and your two week ability to talk to the animals!

I wasn't dreaming that make-out session with the giraffe though... I have videos to prove it!!!

Dragan

At least you knew it was a giraffe! Would have been so much worse if you thought it was a chick!

"I meant this girl on holidays, 4 legs like BAM, neck like KAPOW!"

Vegeta

Roper wrote: »

Creatine is bad! Creatine is causing my son to hate me! My son went mad after smoking a rock of Creatine! And suddenly a councillor in some leafy suburb is calling for the IMB to ban Creatine.

Classis stuff, I lol'd

Saabdub

Dragan wrote: »

"I meant this girl on holidays, 4 legs like BAM, neck like KAPOW!"

LOL:D:D:D:D

Saabdub

colman1212

hey,

Got a tub of whey anyway. I was wondering though when I take in the morning the day after a gym session is it alright to have it before I eat cereal? Does it make any difference to its effects?

Also should have protein shakes on non gym days?
and does everyone use the standard 30g???

Jimmy Bottlehead

colman1212 wrote: »

hey,

Got a tub of whey anyway. I was wondering though when I take in the morning the day after a gym session is it alright to have it before I eat cereal? Does it make any difference to its effects?

Also should have protein shakes on non gym days?
and does everyone use the standard 30g???

Just treat it as any other protein-y food, lash it into ya at any time. But most important time is right after workout.
How ya mean the standard 30g? Per day??

Saabdub

colman1212 wrote: »

hey,

Got a tub of whey anyway. I was wondering though when I take in the morning the day after a gym session is it alright to have it before I eat cereal? Does it make any difference to its effects?

Also should have protein shakes on non gym days?
and does everyone use the standard 30g???

I always have protein first thing in morning before fibrous carbs, then make brecy, gives the body a chance to absorb some protein. I also use it as a meal replacement snack. So at 11am c.20gm whey and banana and the same at 4pm.

Saabdub

colman1212

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Just treat it as any other protein-y food, lash it into ya at any time. But most important time is right after workout.
How ya mean the standard 30g? Per day??

Yeah well like 30g in the morning and 30g after a workout.
I got promax until I order big whey off the net, the scoop size that comes with it is 30g. Can you buy nut x big whey anywhere in dublin city centre???

justsomebloke

colman1212 wrote: »

Yeah well like 30g in the morning and 30g after a workout.
I got promax until I order big whey off the net, the scoop size that comes with it is 30g. Can you buy nut x big whey anywhere in dublin city centre???

easiest and cheapest is to order it on line. however AFAIK the supplement store on camden street have it