Diesel prices

Captain Slow IRL

Over the last week, around town here, the price of diesel has rocketed in relation to petrol - 2 of the local garages have petrol at 1.18 and diesel at 1.25 - is there any point of buying a diesel if this continues?!

If they're not screwing you with the vrt, they're screwing you on the forecourt!

skyhighflyer

Nothing to do with people being 'screwed over' on forecourts. More and more people are buying diesels and therefore there's more demand = higher price. Another thing the government didn't think through with the new system - expect it to rise further in relation to petrol from July onwards.

Guy:Incognito

skyhighflyer wrote: »

Nothing to do with people being 'screwed over' on forecourts. More and more people are buying diesels and therefore there's more demand = higher price. Another thing the government didn't think through with the new system - expect it to rise further in relation to petrol from July onwards.

The only thing wrong with that is that petrol has been fairly evel with Diesel for a long time, despite beng the dominant fuel.

Op, thats very tinfoil hat of you wih "they". The government set the VRT but have not changed anythign to do with fuel since the last budget, so any rise in prices s down to the suppliers/garages.

ddea

Maybe something to do with the fact that a lot of forecourts are owned by car dealers. By putting up the price of diesel now are they trying to influence customers into thinking it's better to stick with petrol and buy their new cars(petrol of course) before VRT goes up on them in July? A good way to boost sales.

JHMEG

AA concerned by rising diesel costs

'We are now seriously concerned at what appears to be a disproportionate rise in diesel prices, and we would like to hear the oil companies explaining exactly how this has come about,'

Goes on to suggest the price is being jacked up in advance of the mass switchover to diesel in July..

vengeance52

i was in cavan the other day, petrol was 1.21 and diesel was 1.29. I drove on my reserves til i found a place selling for 1.19. the price in some forcourts is crazy

Essexboy

Diesel is still cheaper (just) than petrol in Donegal. Selling for 1.19 in Ballybofey.
South Donegal and Sligo are very different

bazz26

I got my diesel today at 118.9, it was the same price as unleaded. Any other forecourt I passed diesel was nearly 10c per litre more expensive than unleaded.

Dearest I saw diesel around my area was 126.9 per litre but only idots buy fuel from that place anyway.

Fuel prices usually level off around now in Northern hemisphere countries as usually demand in spring time slows down. Looks like there is something else at work here.

Damien360

I agree that it is not just demand that is driving the cost. It does look like an industry cashing in on the July changeover. Currently petrol 119.9 and diesel 124.9 in newbridge. Most garages going west during the week were higher by 3 cents on petrol and diesel.

It should warrant the Government taking a closer look at this rise above the stock market rise. Higher diesel costs hit the truckers, hence transport of goods costs, hence the price you pay in Tescos. That leads to inflation rising and wage demands rising.

E92

I drove up by Texacos near Mahon Point in Cork yesterday, and it was 8 c a litre dearer than petrol.

I don't expect diesel to get cheaper anytime soon. Other parts of the world are getting ready to accept diesels, Japan, the US most obviously, so the demand for diesel is going to continue to rise, while as more and more Europeans, and soon Americans will start to follow will start moving away from petrol, the price of petrol will continue to fall.

The Government taxes diesel at 6 cents less a litre already, as people start to switch to diesel, they're going to bring up fuel duty to be in line with petrol at the very least.

Captain Slow IRL

Stekelly wrote: »

Op, thats very tinfoil hat of you wih "they". The government set the VRT but have not changed anythign to do with fuel since the last budget, so any rise in prices s down to the suppliers/garages.

I'm just paranoid - they're out to get me and take money out of my pocket!

I was gonna buy a diesel, due to a long commute, but if this is the trend to expect, I think I'll get a starlet!

testicle

skyhighflyer wrote: »

Nothing to do with people being 'screwed over' on forecourts. More and more people are buying diesels and therefore there's more demand = higher price. Another thing the government didn't think through with the new system - expect it to rise further in relation to petrol from July onwards.

Don't give me that ****e. Diesel in France, for instance, is far far cheaper than petrol, and the vast majority of cars there are Diesel.

E92

testicle wrote: »

Don't give me that ****e. Diesel in France, for instance, is far far cheaper than petrol, and the vast majority of cars there are Diesel.

It's cheaper because the French Government, like most European Governments, taxes diesel much less than they tax petrol.

JHMEG

skyhighflyer wrote: »

More and more people are buying diesels and therefore there's more demand = higher price.

Shouldn't the price of petrol therefore be going down?

testicle

E92 wrote: »

It's cheaper because the French Government, like most European Governments, taxes diesel much less than they tax petrol.

Granted, however, their road tax is included in the price of petrol & diesel, and diesel is still cheaper than it is here.

ddea

I don't see why a changeover from predominant petrol use to diesel use should see a big shift in their comparative prices. The raw material is the same for both and it is the price of this that drives their prices. Surely if demand changes in the long term the oil companies will alter their production of each.

patrickc

don;t get me started, for someone like alot of people here commuting 100 miles a day, it's just frustrating the current difference

vibe666

I've been filling up with bio-diesel (95c per litre locally) for the last few tanks but I got caught out almost empty yesterday and had to put some in at a regular pump and it was €1.29 at 3 seperate garages I passed in Meath. I put a tenner in and the fuel guage hardly moved at all.

I read on a UK website that the prices for diesel there are rising due to the introduction of ULS (ultra low sulpher) diesel which is better for the environment but more expensive to produce, but considering how refined petrol is, I don't see how it should cost more than that to produce.

I think the AA needs to be doing more than just 'being concerned' about the situation and step up and do something about it, whether it be approaching the government or fuel suppliers (or both) and trying to sort out the reasoning behind it or something else complicated that I can't think of myself.

kluivert

119.9 in Carrickmacross, Co. Monaghan.

Cheapest in the local area.

norm

tesco are running their offer of 5c per litre off when you spend €50 in store. Clearwater Finglas price for diesel is currently €1.18 (i think) , then 5c off with voucher. Presume the other stores are the same.

JHMEG

That tesco offer isn't as good as it looks. My car, bone dry, will tax 40 litres max. That's a saving of €2. OTOH I could save €2 by just buying a packet of AA batteries in Lidl instead of Tesco.

testicle

That's an awfully small fuel tank.

Are you saying that we shouln't bother shopping around for petrol so?

mad m

I was at a shell garage yesterday and only two diesel pumps were open,rest were out of use.

violent*sky

it's nothing to do with the increase in diesel car sales.

the price of gas oil, diesel medium, auto-diesel are ALL going up. not one in particular.

it isn't a conspiracy - just a dramatic rise in the price of fuel.

vibe666

violent*sky wrote: »

it isn't a conspiracy - just a dramatic rise in the price of fuel.

then why has the price of diesel gone up disproportionately to the price of petrol?

it wasn't that long ago that diesel was significantly cheaper at the pump than petrol. how come now the price has gone up so sharply for no apparent reason?

JHMEG

testicle wrote: »

That's an awfully small fuel tank.

Its average hatchback size.

testicle wrote:

Are you saying that we shouln't bother shopping around for petrol so?

:rolleyes: You'll save more than €2 by not buying all your groceries in Tesco.

patrickc

norm wrote: »

tesco are running their offer of 5c per litre off when you spend €50 in store. Clearwater Finglas price for diesel is currently €1.18 (i think) , then 5c off with voucher. Presume the other stores are the same.

i definitely don't get the same mileage from tesco diesel as the rest..

JHMEG

patrickc wrote: »

i definitely don't get the same mileage from tesco diesel as the rest..

Tesco diesel = Statoil diesel = Shell diesel = Topaz diesel

Seth Brundle

JHMEG wrote: »

Tesco diesel = Statoil diesel = Shell diesel = Topaz diesel

Its true that they are all from the one source but they differ in terms of additives. I was discussing the AA comments with someone within Topaz who is involved in pricing during the week and the response was that Mr. Faughnan just liked to hear his own voice and that he knew nothing about pricing.

JHMEG

kbannon wrote: »

but they differ in terms of additives.

Tesco stuff is delivered in a Statoil lorry, so it's possible they're identical.

kbannon wrote: »

I was discussing the AA comments with someone within Topaz who is involved in pricing during the week and the response was that Mr. Faughnan just liked to hear his own voice and that he knew nothing about pricing.

Topaz=big oil (-ish), and they would say that wouldn't they.

AA survey prices in the 1st week of every month.

All Conor Faughnan has to do is look at the Statoil/Benchmark motorcard site for proof of what he's saying. This week diesel is €1.28:eek::eek:, vs €1.18 for petrol.

I know who I believe.

Redsoxfan

I am surprised at some of the pricing-at some stations I have passed there have been 5-6c differences in the price of petrol and diesel. However I filled up in Edgeworthstown last night and petrol and diesel were the same price (121.9).

There are a few different reasons why the price of diesel has gone up-here's a US article that is interesting enough-not all of it can be applied to Ireland, but some of the points remain valid (refining capacity etc.)

Sizzler

1.27 in my local Texaco (It was 1.21 last Tuesday when I filled up there:eek:)

Driving through Wexford and Wicklo today the cheapest I saw it was 1.25....FFS!

tippbhoy

vibe666 wrote: »

then why has the price of diesel gone up disproportionately to the price of petrol?

it wasn't that long ago that diesel was significantly cheaper at the pump than petrol. how come now the price has gone up so sharply for no apparent reason?

This is my biggest problem with all this. While i appreciate that oil is at record highs, €110 ish a barrel, how come Diesel was in or around the same price as petrol last week in most forecourts, and now it has jumped to a gap of 6 or 7c more than petrol? This doesn't make sense, they both come from crude. The cost of a litre of fuel is not the issue here, it is the fact that Diesel has become way more expensive compared to petrol in the space of a few days.

Have the oil companies decided to offset the petrol rise on the diesel as the mpg is better. At this rate a diesel is no advantage and a more expensive car to buy as well.

How true is it that the excise is less on Diesel? Pissed off now :mad:

Nodnedlog

tippbhoy wrote: »

This is my biggest problem with all this. While i appreciate that oil is at record highs, €110 ish a barrel, how come Diesel was in or around the same price as petrol last week in most forecourts, and now it has jumped to a gap of 6 or 7c more than petrol? This doesn't make sense, they both come from crude. The cost of a litre of fuel is not the issue here, it is the fact that Diesel has become way more expensive compared to petrol in the space of a few days.

Have the oil companies decided to offset the petrol rise on the diesel as the mpg is better. At this rate a diesel is no advantage and a more expensive car to buy as well.

How true is it that the excise is less on Diesel? Pissed off now :mad:

Have recently invested in diesel also due to environment/running costs/vrt/road tax and I will be bringing in in from NI post July.

That was the plan in Jan 08 based on Gormleys advice now it looks like a bad decision given the about turn on road tax/ possible about turn on vrt (for pre 08 imports)/ profiteering in relation to diesel sales.

I give up. Should I just post my wages up each week to govt HQ for them to divide it up amongst themselves and the super rich?

Run_to_da_hills

I Think its time for a Lidl/Tesco vegi oil / diesel mixture. Can this be got in 5 gallon drums?

Oilrig

Guys, diesel and its variants are in demand for home heating during the winter, supply & demand hence the higher prices.

BTW, I tanked up tonight at 112.9/litre

HJL

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I Think its time for a Lidl/Tesco vegi oil / diesel mixture. Can this be got in 5 gallon drums?

dunno bout Lidl, but ive only seen the 3 litre bottles in Tesco, handy size for getting it into the tank though, €2.07. thats 63c a litre!

patrickc

JHMEG wrote: »

Tesco diesel = Statoil diesel = Shell diesel = Topaz diesel

as kbannon says different additives in them

kbannon wrote: »

Its true that they are all from the one source but they differ in terms of additives. .

I definitely get as much as 50 litres maybe more less miles on a tank of tesco diesel.

cormie

HJL wrote: »

dunno bout Lidl, but ive only seen the 3 litre bottles in Tesco, handy size for getting it into the tank though, €2.07. thats 63c a litre!

Can any diesel use this or do you have to get your engine adapted to be able to use it?

indirect injection engines can run it no problem but direct injection engines are a do it at your own risk.

google "elsbett" and on their site search for your car on the products tab

MayoForSam

tippbhoy wrote: »

..... €110 ish a barrel..... :mad:

Isn't it 110 dollars not euro? In which case as the dollar has weakened the euro price per barrel shouldn't have gone up as much? Does anyone have a link to see the euro-per-barrel cost over the past couple of months, would be interesting to see the comparison.

Us diesel owners are really getting screwed, with the VRT changeover coming soon, vested interests are trying to squeeze us as much as they can. The motor tax situation really annoys me, John Gormley may be a green minister but if so, why does a typically larger-engined diesel car have to pay large amounts of road tax based on engine capacity when it has does much less harm to the environment compared to petrol?

On the use of vegetable oil, the legality of it's use would be very suspect in this country, for a start you are avoiding excise duty. You wouldn't want to get dipped by C&E, that's for sure. Very much a grey area. Saying that, the way prices are going, I would be tempted to add maybe 25% veggie oil to my diesel tank.

I'm afraid this is just another example of the rapidly rising cost of living here and there is no end in sight as far as I can see .

Seth Brundle

JHMEG wrote: »

Topaz=big oil (-ish), and they would say that wouldn't they.

Well, in fairness, my conversation was a casual off the record one and there was no need for them to talk bull.

patrickc wrote: »

I definitely get as much as 50 litres maybe more less miles on a tank of tesco diesel.

My car gets the same amount of litres per tank each time I fill up too!

NP14

Diesel is up the world over. It's being stockpiled it in preparation for war. The rises should be a signal that it's coming SOON.

JHMEG

kbannon wrote: »

Well, in fairness, my conversation was a casual off the record one and there was no need for them to talk bull!

You can look at the evidence or you can believe your buddies in Topaz.

If there is a logical reason for diesel prices being so high, why haven't the oil companies offered an explanation, as per Conor Faughnan's request.

Big oil doesn't become responsible citizen off the record.

GoneShootin

Can't find this products tab you speak of.

JackieChan

Are Topaz a low cost seller? I see they have opened in Portlaoise at 111.9 or 112.9 a litre for diesel. Not sure if these are introductory prices or not.

JHMEG

JackieChan wrote: »

Are Topaz a low cost seller?

No. Topaz, thanks to a massive fúck up by the Competition Authority own Statoil and Shell. They are now the single biggest fuel supplier in Ireland.

Price like that are to put the squeeze on the other suppliers in Port Laoise.

Marcus.Aurelius

GoneShootin wrote: »

Can't find this products tab you speak of.

Go to http://www.elsbett.com/ie/online-shop.html
Click on PKW/Kleinbusse/Cars/Vans/ Personenwagens/Busjes/Vans

JHMEG

JHMEG wrote: »

No. Topaz, thanks to a massive fúck up by the Competition Authority own Statoil and Shell. They are now the single biggest fuel supplier in Ireland.

Price like that are to put the squeeze on the other suppliers in Port Laoise.

The two Topaz stations in arklow are at €1.20 ish for diesel and petrol though where as Tesco and applegreen there are at €1.11 for both.
Topaz aren't competing in that town at all.

norm

norm wrote: »

tesco are running their offer of 5c per litre off when you spend €50 in store. Clearwater Finglas price for diesel is currently €1.18 (i think) , then 5c off with voucher. Presume the other stores are the same.

No they're not.
Tesco Arklow are 111.9 which becomes 106.9 for both petrol and diesel when you factor in the 5c off voucher.
For diesel,thats very very cheap

JHMEG

Deleted User wrote: »

The two Topaz stations in arklow are at €1.20 ish for diesel and petrol though where as Tesco and applegreen there are at €1.11 for both.
Topaz aren't competing in that town at all.

Tesco in Maynooth were 116.9 a couple of days ago for Unleaded:mad: