who is there to take over for EOS ?

awhir

hey guys since everone now wants EOS to to be gone.Who is there to take over for him and lead Irish to victory ?

sorry if there is another post couldent find any

Stev_o

awhir wrote: »

hey guys since everone now wants EOS to to be gone.Who is there to take over for him and lead Irish to victory ?

sorry if there is another post couldent find any

Sadly not much. Just for the sake of it id get Gaffney since he's leaving Scarries but dont expect miracles

Jake White, possibly poach Alan Gaffney from saracens, Mike Ruddock (i know i know!!)

sioda

Bradley from Connaught only choice IMO

Stev_o

Deleted User wrote: »

Jake White, possibly poach Alan Gaffney from saracens, Mike Ruddock (i know i know!!)

Ruddock's with Worcester and wont be moving anytime soon since he only started this year

toomevara

I'm blue in the face from saying it, get Jake White in quickly before the bleedin' Scots/English do....used to operating in the snake pit of SA rugby, will put manners on the amateur blazers and back room boys who are the bane of irish rugby...

ongarite

Somebody not managing provinces or involved with Irish rugby IMO. Need fresh ideas and management style and some new coaches.

GBX

Steve Staunton

Chong

Declan Kidney, but I would be so so so so disappointed if he left Munster.

Chong

GBX wrote: »

Steve Staunton

Excellent post

GBX

Willstev wrote: »

Excellent post

I was gonna suggest Ruddock as he has experience in Irish rugby... but as he's tied up ... who knows.

themont85

Willstev wrote: »

Declan Kidney, but I would be so so so so disappointed if he left Munster.

Kidney is the best Irish candidate of all, though if rumours are true he isn't the most popular man amongst the leinster contingant.

Denis Irwin

GBX wrote: »

Steve Staunton

Not too sure but I'd be happy enough if White or Kidney took over.

Chong

We will never get Jake White, he is far too good for us.

Actually, will the IRFU sack EOS or will he resgin. He certainly wont resign, and because the contract is so big , will the IRFU actually say get lost Eddie??

davyjose

toomevara wrote: »

I'm blue in the face from saying it, get Jake White in quickly before the bleedin' Scots/English do....used to operating in the snake pit of SA rugby, will put manners on the amateur blazers and back room boys who are the bane of irish rugby...

+1 - a tough guy, and that's what we need.

sioda

Willstev wrote: »

We will never get Jake White, he is far too good for us.

Actually, will the IRFU sack EOS or will he resgin. He certainly wont resign, and because the contract is so big , will the IRFU actually say get lost Eddie??

WillStev you have hit it on the head here I think the changes in the IRFU have to start with the people who gave him the contract in the first place but I can see us being lumbered with same manager and team this time next year

kraggy

Alan Gaffney's on his way to either Leinster or Leicester according to Philip Matthews.

He said one of them but couldn't make out which he said (during commentary of today's match).

Plus, Jake White is supposedly replacing Ashton as England coach.

Denis Irwin

A lot of people are saying that we'd never get White or whoever and we'd be stuck with a poor coach next year. But look at the FAI who'd of thought they'd end up getting one of the most successful coaches in the game in Trapattoni to replace our worst ever manager in Staunton. So I'd never say never in regards to the IRFU getting a Jake White type coach.

jdivision

If they were willing to take cash from wealthy people for his salary and that of a top backroom team they'd have no trouble getting White. Gaffney as backs coach as well. I'd like to see some of the team going to a performance camp in the States to work on speed and strength with flexibility

mikeruurds

England is a better prospect for Jake as there is a bigger pool of players to choose from.

Trappatoni is nearing the end of his career as a football coach, while Jake still has plenty coaching years ahead of him. They are at different stages in their careers. There's no way Ireland would be able to get Trappatoni if he was Jake's age and had just coached a World Cup winning soccer team.

is_that_so

Willstev wrote: »

We will never get Jake White, he is far too good for us.

Actually, will the IRFU sack EOS or will he resgin. He certainly wont resign, and because the contract is so big , will the IRFU actually say get lost Eddie??

Considering that Croke Park has been a cash cow for both the IRFU and FAI that is likely to be the least of their problems, although it may stick in the craw to have to admit that they were wrong.
With the new stadium they will surely be in a position to pay for the best or simply ask Denis O'Brien to help out.

Jake White would be great but probably more likely to take the soon to be vacant England job. As posted local candidates are thin on the ground. I reckon it should be someone with a 2-4 year plan that involves all levels of rugby. Kidney like O'Sullivan is not much of a risk taker, so I guess that leaves Gaffney. Bradley i think needs a few more years. Perhaps Conor O'Shea could be persuaded to get involved in the same way that Wales borrow Sean Edwards.
Or they could learn from the FAI in the most sensible recent thing they have done, and trawl the world for a good candidate.

what say what?

is_that_so wrote: »

Considering that Croke Park has been a cash cow for both the IRFU and FAI that is likely to be the least of their problems, although it may stick in the craw to have to admit that they were wrong.
With the new stadium they will surely be in a position to pay for the best or simply ask Denis O'Brien to help out.

Jake White would be great but probably more likely to take the soon to be vacant England job. As posted local candidates are thin on the ground. I reckon it should be someone with a 2-4 year plan that involves all levels of rugby. Kidney like O'Sullivan is not much of a risk taker, so I guess that leaves Gaffney. Bradley i think needs a few more years. Perhaps Conor O'Shea could be persuaded to get involved in the same way that Wales borrow Sean Edwards.
Or they could learn from the FAI in the most sensible recent thing they have done, and trawl the world for a good candidate.

Conor O'Shea - never, hes an englishman now
Bradley - Hardly a success in connacht
Gaffney- Nahh
Jake White - the only true option
or
offer it to Shaun Edwards

Stev_o

is_that_so wrote: »

Considering that Croke Park has been a cash cow for both the IRFU and FAI that is likely to be the least of their problems, although it may stick in the craw to have to admit that they were wrong.
With the new stadium they will surely be in a position to pay for the best or simply ask Denis O'Brien to help out.

Jake White would be great but probably more likely to take the soon to be vacant England job. As posted local candidates are thin on the ground. I reckon it should be someone with a 2-4 year plan that involves all levels of rugby. Kidney like O'Sullivan is not much of a risk taker, so I guess that leaves Gaffney. Bradley i think needs a few more years. Perhaps Conor O'Shea could be persuaded to get involved in the same way that Wales borrow Sean Edwards.
Or they could learn from the FAI in the most sensible recent thing they have done, and trawl the world for a good candidate.

I dont think the RFU would let their Academy Director go part time with Ireland especially since they just won the GS. Gaffney seem's like the only real prospect but that said he hasnt done wonders with Scarries so if he does come dont expect miracles

Mint Sauce

GBX wrote: »

Steve Staunton

you never know, he might know his rugby

other than that, declan kidney or dare i say it

pouch gatland from wales

chicoben

Kidney is good with Munster, LEAVE HIM THERE! He didn't get on at all with the leinster lads, and the last thing we need is disunity in the camp at this point. Jake white would be good but what are the odds of getting him? Theres not that many world class couches on sale at the moment.

marco_polo

chicoben wrote: »

Kidney is good with Munster, LEAVE HIM THERE! He didn't get on at all with the leinster lads, and the last thing we need is disunity in the camp at this point. Jake white would be good but what are the odds of getting him? Theres not that many world class couches on sale at the moment.

If England keep Ashton then we may have a shot at getting him on board. On the plus side there doesn't look to be too many big jobs available in world rugby either at the moment.

Denis Irwin

marco_polo wrote: »

If England keep Ashton then we may have a shot at getting him on board. On the plus side there doesn't look to be too many big jobs available in world rugby either at the moment.

AFAIK Ashton was in a similar situation to EOS today. As in if they won well he'd keep the job for another year and if they lost he'd get the chop. So maybe just maybe we could possibly have some chance of getting White IMO.

chicoben

Yeah plus I think any manager would be interested in coaching us cause we have got some REAL talent and not just a huge pool of average players like England(not saying that all England players are average, they have some exceptional ones).

Sandwich

sioda wrote: »

Bradley from Connaught only choice IMO

WHY ??????
Not against him - but what has he that suggests he is the man for the job? I cant think of anything.

kenco

leave kidney where he is for the time being

This is the IRFU and not the FAI therefore logic should dictate. We have a good squad capable of a lot more than shown recently. Go for White and see what he can do with them

Thanks EOS it was good while it lasted but lets face it that was at least 2 years more than it should have been. Take the sacking and walk away with the cash.

White would be very, very good for our tender stars! Ala Trappatoni he will take zero s**t and will have no problem dropping the stars if they need a kick up the ass.

Come the revoultion!

f1dan

What about Eddie Jones?

Oilrig

The next coach should be someone to match our ambitions.

Eddie Jones is at Saracens and won't be leaving any time soon, especially as they allowed him time off for the WC with the Boks.

I can't see the RFU opting for a non English coach except as a last resort TBH, England's win today (and they played well don't forget) should buy Ashton some time.

Declan Kidney wouldn't take the job IMHO, he's more than happy where he is and has an exciting future.

Jake White would be the obvious choice. He's not a "tough guy" that would "knock the Blazers into shape" he is a very very good team builder and an astute tactition - just what we want. He also has experience in underage rugby, having coached the Baby Boks to WC Glory.

I don't think money would be a major issue, we should be able to come up with that. I think it would be more about how he perceives the IRFU, ie if their focus is on winning a triple crown next year rather than challenging for the next WC then I don't think he'd be interested. He knows whats needed to win a WC and needs to know that the IRFU will supply it.

Time will tell.

Sundy

sioda wrote: »

Bradley from Connaught only choice IMO

Your joking i hope? In fairness bradley has very little backing at connaught but he has done very little with what he has. He also made a complete mess of the A's this year. Unlikely to get the job at all unless the IRFU want to go cheap.

cruiserweight

Sundy wrote: »

He also made a complete mess of the A's this year. Unlikely to get the job at all unless the IRFU want to go cheap.

Complete mess of the A team that he is not allowed to pick?

nacho libre

The question should be who would really want to:p

Sundy

cruiserweight wrote: »

Complete mess of the A team that he is not allowed to pick?

But was still his responsibility to prepair the team for the game.

ironingbored

I think we should do whatever it takes to get Jake White.

Failing that I think John Kirwan would be a good alternative. Did relatively well with a limited Italian team. Any opinions?

BYW, am I the only person disgusted at references to EOS's family when the RTE pundits were talking about his situation. They spoke as though he was goin to end up on the breadline if he got the sack and not get a million plus settlement.

Sundy

ironingbored wrote: »

I think we should do whatever it takes to get Jake White.

Failing that I think John Kirwan would be a good alternative. Did relatively well with a limited Italian team. Any opinions?

BYW, am I the only person disgusted at references to EOS's family when the RTE pundits were talking about his situation. They spoke as though he was goin to end up on the breadline if he got the sack and not get a million plus settlement.

They were being respectfull and not sticking in the dagger because it looks like eddie mite go honourably. However i believe if eddie had said i have no intention of goin anywhere.. 4 year contract blah blah then i believe the would have tore him to shreads

what say what?

ironingbored wrote: »

I
BYW, am I the only person disgusted at references to EOS's family when the RTE pundits were talking about his situation. They spoke as though he was goin to end up on the breadline if he got the sack and not get a million plus settlement.

its a bit pathetic all right, shows exactly what george is made of though

slaughters the guy all year and then when asked to back it up at the end he cowers like the wimp he truly is.

It is time for eddie to go, perhaps towards another irfu role, i don't want to forget the good he brought but i cant forget the bad either

Oilrig

Hats off to EOS for taking the IRFU to the cleaners.

Maybe on reflection they'll learn their lesson.

Pricks.

They need to get their act together in order to secure a replacement.

thebaz

if theres any dignity in EOS, he should resign immediatly , he has failed spectacularly this season, in particular the WC.
Jake White for me , Denis O'Brien may be required again in another Irish sporting emergency , he is a keen rugby man , and ex Wanderers player

sioda

The reason I put up Bradley is that he has done a lot with very little and at the moment thats where the Irish team is feeling like very little so he maybe able to get something from them

Yes Jake White would be a great catch but just dont see it happening.

And if they want Kidney they will have to get rid of all the Leinster player first

toomevara

Can't understand this "Jake White is too good for us" nonsense. For a coach like White, an underachieving, but talented team like Ireland would be massively attractive. A coach like him, given his head, allowed to appoint his own coaching team would take Ireland places...professionally and personally I'd imagine it would be difficult for him to refuse.

If we're serious about Irish rugby, and no longer content with the odd meaningless triple crown and gallant runner-up label, we need a guy of his calibre...of course the suits at the IRFU wouldn't relish loosing control of their personal hobby horse, but imo we've got to do a Corleone and make the guy an offer he can't refuse...

Trojan

SCW for the job.

quagmire69

kenco wrote: »

This is the IRFU and not the FAI therefore logic should dictate.

Where was the logic in the new 4 year contract before the WC???????

johnnyboy4711

As a totally frustrated Connacht supporter,I count us very lucky that there is no relegation from the magners league as we would be sent down long ago if there was.
Bradley has gotten stale in Connacht like EOS has with the Ireland set-up.
Maybe Ireland takes him (dont let the drop slam you on the way out!) and we at connacht get a well deserved shake up.
Johnnyboy4711

Jake White, only man for the job, end of story!!!!!

Stev_o

toomevara wrote: »

Can't understand this "Jake White is too good for us" nonsense. For a coach like White, an underachieving, but talented team like Ireland would be massively attractive. A coach like him, given his head, allowed to appoint his own coaching team would take Ireland places...professionally and personally I'd imagine it would be difficult for him to refuse.

If we're serious about Irish rugby, and no longer content with the odd meaningless triple crown and gallant runner-up label, we need a guy of his calibre...of course the suits at the IRFU wouldn't relish loosing control of their personal hobby horse, but imo we've got to do a Corleone and make the guy an offer he can't refuse...

Remember he did say that no Irish player would get into the Boks squad [now whether this was a true statement or just i wind up i dont know] but he doesnt seem to like us and the pool of players we have available to us.

NotWormBoy

Stev_o wrote: »

Remember he did say that no Irish player would get into the Boks squad [now whether this was a true statement or just i wind up i dont know] but he doesnt seem to like us and the pool of players we have available to us.

He could've just been playing mind games. Didn't really work, mind you, if he was.

is_that_so

That strikes me as something he was probably pushed into answering, at a press conference. Remember not so long ago we were the "only" team who could possibly match New Zealand. Regrettably on available players' current form he would be right.:(

taidghbaby

Ross O'Carroll-Kelly obviously.

Bring a bit of swagger back!!!!!!!!

JWAD

Jake White is hanging around for the England job. Not the Irish job.