Physio/Chiropractor

fobster

Has anybody been to this place for physio? Any good? It says they have an x-ray as well.

http://www.owendennis.ie

EileenG

Yes, I've been there when I needed work done on my foot, after dislocated bones healed wrong. They were the only chiropractors in the city that did feet. I think I had 3 or 4 sessions, and they got me mobile again.

There's a guy in Swords, Clive Dennis (some relation?) who I highly recommend. He does the work, sends you off with orders for exercise and icing, and doesn't keep bringing you back for unnecessary visits. Unfortunately, he doesn't do feet!

How Strange

I've been to this practice for very bad whiplash and they were great. There was alot of switching of chiropractors (don't know why really but they seemed to leave) but they were great and got me sorted.

I went to a cowboy in Santry for a few months before and he did more damage than anything else so these guys had to undo his damage and then start fixing me.

Can't recommend them highly enough.

cavanmaniac

In my experience, an Osteopath is better than either a chiro or a physio, but that's just my opinion.

smashey

cavanmaniac wrote: »

In my experience, an Osteopath is better than either a chiro or a physio, but that's just my opinion.

The OP wasn't looking for a Chiropractor v Osteopath debate.

Jeez.

cavanmaniac

Well spotted. I just said I'd offer it in there in case it's something he hadn't considered. Sure it might even be considered helpful.

And guess what? Nobody died.

FFS.

smashey

cavanmaniac wrote: »

Well spotted. I just said I'd offer it in there in case it's something he hadn't considered. Sure it might even be considered helpful.

And guess what? Nobody died.

FFS.

Well said you.

Any more outbursts like that and bans will be issued.

cavanmaniac

Sorry Smashey, but with all due respect, that's just plain daft. You don't know any more than anyone else whether the OP would appreciate another point of view or not, I think on a bulletin board I should be able to offer mine in a genuine effort to be helpful without having my collar felt for it. I wasted alot of money on chrios and physios for years until guess what, I came on here one day and found a thread where someone - unsolicited - advised the OP to ditch both and go to an Osteo instead. I follwed the advice myself and haven't look back.

No harm done I would have thought.

fobster

Could you recommend an osteopath. Or some tips on what kind of osteopaths to avoid?

cavanmaniac

I can only vouch for my own Osteopath, and say that he has been excellent for my particular problems. Broadly speaking, a chiropractor tends to concentrate on the spine and making adjustments (cracking your back into place!), a physio works mostly with muscles and tissues and an Osteopath seems to work across both areas. My osteopath has therefore been able to work on my back and realign a fairly pronounced curvature I had at the top of my spine, which the chiro didn't seem interested in, and the feedback and information about my injuries is much, much better. I can see alot of progress from visit to visit which I didn't see with the chiro, and he also does deep tissue work that sorted out alot of aches and twinges in my knees and ankles and hips. I got the impression the chiro I was seeing would happily have been bringing me back for monthly treatments for as long as I was willing to keep going, but that's just my personal experience and I'm sure that for other people, chiros and physios have been very beneficial.

Osteos seem to give you a much more detailed going over and will even ask about your diet and nutrition to a certain extent.

My osteo is Malahide/Portmarnock based and specialises in sports injuries, but if that's not suitable then go to http//www.osteopathy.ie where registered practitioners are listed. I'd advise you you to do some googling research as well and ascertain for yourself if an Osteo provides the sort of service suitable for your own particular problem, just because it worked for me doesn't mean it'll work for you and so on.

If you need to, you can PM me for more info or contact details of the Osteopath I use.

How Strange

cavanmaniac wrote: »

In my experience, an Osteopath is better than either a chiro or a physio, but that's just my opinion.

I've heard that too from people with back problems. I've never visited one myself and don't have any need now (thankfully and touching wood) but would consider it if I have any back or joint problems again

Dragan

cavanmaniac wrote: »

Well spotted. I just said I'd offer it in there in case it's something he hadn't considered. Sure it might even be considered helpful.

And guess what? Nobody died.

FFS.

If you have any issue with what a Moderator says then i suggest you PM them.

I'd have carded you for that one.

Lucky you got Smashey.

sheldonparkgym

While I have never used an osteopath, my experiences with chiropracters mirror those of cavanmaniac. I'd only go to one for a short-term solutions - e.g. if my back was seriously out of place and I needed it clicked back in place to relieve the pain. As a long-term solution, I'd check out an osteopath. Personally, I've never been impressed with any fphysios I've been to, in terms of the advice they gave me.

siochain

cavanmaniac wrote: »

In my experience, an Osteopath is better than either a chiro or a physio, but that's just my opinion.

couldn't agree more, physio and chiro treat the symptoms and good osto will treat the cause and save you money in the long run

cavanmaniac

Dragan wrote: »

If you have any issue with what a Moderator says then i suggest you PM them.

I'd have carded you for that one.

Lucky you got Smashey.

I genuinely never even looked to see if it was a monitor or not to be honest, I thought it was just a regular as I've never seen Samshey in here before. I felt his reply was just a tad over zealous/condascending so I responded in kind. I've been here a while and didn't realise the monitors were quite so interventionist as the norm but if dem's the rules, I'm happy to follow them same as everyone else.

littlefriend

Sorry if this is slightly different than the original question but I'm writing this in an effort to help OP. I'm not looking to start a debate or argument here.

Chiropractors are not regulated in Ireland. I have been advised by 2 neurologists, an orthopedic surgeon and a GP that they would never send anyone to a chiro - in fact it would be against their rules on good practice [I cant think of the actual expression that they used].

Osteopaths & physio's are registered with the Irish Medical Council or something similar. I have been referred to both by consultants..

Dragan

cavanmaniac wrote: »

I genuinely never even looked to see if it was a monitor or not to be honest, I thought it was just a regular as I've never seen Samshey in here before. I felt his reply was just a tad over zealous/condascending so I responded in kind. I've been here a while and didn't realise the monitors were quite so interventionist as the norm but if dem's the rules, I'm happy to follow them same as everyone else.

No worries, however i would hope that you would speak to all posters equally be they moderators or not.

At least Mods will understand when people give them ****, it's par for the course.

peterk19

I went to Owen Dennis in Clontarf about 4 years with lower Lumbar problems 2 sessions and some stretching exercise to do at home and it hasn't bothered me since so cant recommend them enough

Lil' Smiler

fobster wrote: »

Has anybody been to this place for physio? Any good? It says they have an x-ray as well.

http://www.owendennis.ie

OP,

What are you actually hoping to get physio for?

fobster

littlefriend wrote: »

Sorry if this is slightly different than the original question but I'm writing this in an effort to help OP. I'm not looking to start a debate or argument here.

Chiropractors are not regulated in Ireland. I have been advised by 2 neurologists, an orthopedic surgeon and a GP that they would never send anyone to a chiro - in fact it would be against their rules on good practice [I cant think of the actual expression that they used].

Osteopaths & physio's are registered with the Irish Medical Council or something similar. I have been referred to both by consultants..

Thanks for the info, I have some trouble, rsi I think, with my arms/hands/wrists, went to a physio, was some use but not much. Just looking for options etc. Will probably go to my GP and get some recommendations and the like.

Lil' Smiler

How many treatments did you have done by the physio?

What did they do? Physio's sometimes aren't as hands on as other therapists. Why not try a Physical Therapist, being one myself I can think of plenty of ways off the top of my head to treat rsi in hands, wrists, arms.

Just remember when you've got a problem, one treatment isn't exactly going to sort it out. In the first treatment, a physio or whatever kind of therapist you go to, will not do too much work on the first session as they have to evaluate things such as your range of movement etc and find out more about the injury.

Hanley

What is the difference between a physio and a physical therapist?

Arthurdaly

My own experience is that I had a bad pain in my lower back extending down the length of my leg.

Went to a registered chiropractor and within 6 sessions I was back to 100%.
42 euro a pop and was money very well spent.
Was a bit dubious after the first few sessions (they only lasted 10/15 mins), felt like I wasn't getting any bang for my buck.
Apparently I had muscle bruising and my hips were out of alignment.

This was my first injury that prevented from me from going to the gym and was over the moon with the treatment.

thirtyfoot

Hanley wrote: »

What is the difference between a physio and a physical therapist?

As far as I know a physio is required to go through a formal degree course and be chartered etc etc while a physical therapist can get a qualification from anywhere (like the web) and its not as regulated. Thats my understanding anyway.

Lil' Smiler

The only Physical Therapy course available in Ireland has now been granted degree status, it was previously a diploma. http://www.iptas.ie/accreditation.html

Physical therapy is an holistic (mind body and soul) and patient-centred approach focusing on the manual treatment of the soft tissue - muscles, tendons, ligaments, fascia. Therapists use highly skilled, hands-on techniques to diagnose, prevent or treat underlying conditions and problems. It is based on health science principles and works alongside other health care practices.

Physical therapy is founded on a tradition which recognises and values the healing properties of touch. It is proven as being very safe, non-invasive and is of course, drug free. Each treatment is individually tailored. The therapist, after carefully noting your history will consider psychological, social and environmental factors in devising a treatment plan and in suggesting appropriate changes to lifestyle, work practice or exercise.

Physical Therapy is not classed under the 12 chartered groups of the medical profession, Gp's, Physio's etc. There is an ongoing argument from the Physio's side as to why they think PT's should not be allowed become chartered. Alot of this is to do with the fact that PT's are allowed to work freelance and from home whereas Physio's are meant to be attached to a clinic or hospital... also it's just the fact of "they're stealing our jobs".:rolleyes:

Umm..... hope that helps!

EileenG

Chiropractors study five years before they qualify, and considering they have a much smaller area of expertise, you'd expect them to be pretty good at what they do.

Interesting snippet: The American Medical Association was formed to try to raise the status of doctors above that of chiropractors etc.

Over the years, I've had a variety of injuries, and have been treated by a lot of different type of professionals, from GPs, to sports doctors, to physios, to chiropractors. I've always found that when it was a problem suitable for a chiro, it got fixed quickly and I was back in action fastest.

Hanley

Lil' Smiler wrote: »

The only Physical Therapy course available in Ireland has now been granted degree status, it was previously a diploma. http://www.iptas.ie/accreditation.html

Physical therapy is an holistic (mind body and soul) and patient-centred approach focusing on the manual treatment of the soft tissue - muscles, tendons, ligaments, fascia. Therapists use highly skilled, hands-on techniques to diagnose, prevent or treat underlying conditions and problems. It is based on health science principles and works alongside other health care practices.

Physical therapy is founded on a tradition which recognises and values the healing properties of touch. It is proven as being very safe, non-invasive and is of course, drug free. Each treatment is individually tailored. The therapist, after carefully noting your history will consider psychological, social and environmental factors in devising a treatment plan and in suggesting appropriate changes to lifestyle, work practice or exercise.

Physical Therapy is not classed under the 12 chartered groups of the medical profession, Gp's, Physio's etc. There is an ongoing argument from the Physio's side as to why they think PT's should not be allowed become chartered. Alot of this is to do with the fact that PT's are allowed to work freelance and from home whereas Physio's are meant to be attached to a clinic or hospital... also it's just the fact of "they're stealing our jobs".:rolleyes:

Umm..... hope that helps!

I see. That's interesting. Thanks for the info!!

Maybe I'm grossly over simplifying, but from your post it would seem that physical therapists only fix injuries, not prevent them. I don't know if I'm picking up wrong, but it seems similar to a massage of some sort??

Lil' Smiler

I apologise in advance for my bad typing.. my laptop is not well and am using a diff computer, keyboard is weird!

Well massage is taught in first year, basic swedish massage & then sports massage that uses different techniques.

in 2nd year, you are basically told to forget that you are a massage therapist and perform techniques such as myofascial release and rhythmical techniques for manipulation of all sections of the spine, focusing very much into the the flexibility of the spine and also mobilisations of the joints. in the third year this is taught even more in depth. our tutors are a mixture of physical therapists, Osteopaths, pyhsio's and chiropractors so essentially it is a mix of those 4 professions.

Physical Therapy treats injuries but also does maintenance work, i have plenty of people coming to me for maintenance after their treatments for an injury. So i suppose that is more where the massage comes back into play.

For me, it's brilliant to have all of these type of techniques but also I trained as a Holistic Therapist for 2 years so I also tend to have alot more massage moves to choose from when working such as lymphatic drainage etc. Being a Sports Coach, Sports injuries is my main focus anyway.

Hope that clears up everything!!:)

N8

OP Owen Dennis and his brother Clive are some of the best chiropractors I the country. As I know it Owen Dennis treats a lot of public people including Bertie Ahern, Pat Kenny and more. Your GP is unlikely to refer to them because they are not in the ‘fold.’

Lil' Smiler wrote: »

our tutors are a mixture of physical therapists, Osteopaths, pyhsio's and chiropractors....

A chiropractor teaches on the physical therapy course?

littlefriend wrote: »

Chiropractors are not regulated in Ireland. I have been advised by 2 neurologists, an orthopedic surgeon and a GP that they would never send anyone to a chiro - in fact it would be against their rules on good practice [I cant think of the actual expression that they used].

I ll think you find they don't refer for alot of reasons none of them to do with the betterment of the patient nor it being about that patient's best interests. Chiropractic is excellent and revolutionary. Chiropractors vary much like any other profession.

littlefriend wrote: »

Osteopaths & physio's are registered with the Irish Medical Council or something similar. I have been referred to both by consultants..

Funny that because Osteopaths are registered with no-one and have a mixed bag of training from week-end warrior training to full time courses. However I do use one (UK trained and registered there) as well as my regular chiropractic adjustments.

Physios recently as a profession did become regulated and work with as that non diagnostic therapists requiring a referral.

Osteo vs chiro vs physio:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055149500

Chiropractic training, Use of title etc and why medics [most (-:]don’t refer:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055224649