Limerick has highest level of killings and gun crime

DarkJager

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhojcwojqlkf/

Article wrote:

Limerick reportedly has a higher level of killings and gun crime per head of population than any other area in Ireland.

Reports this morning say an analysis of serious crime statistics in the various garda divisions shows that Dublin has the highest level of overall crime.

However, there were five times more shootings in Limerick compared to Dublin over the last two years when measured against population numbers.

Limerick also had the highest incidence of homicides per head of population, with Tipperary second and Dublin third.

The Donegal division, meanwhile, had the highest number of sexual offences and also ranked second in the "assault causing harm" category.

It makes for sad reading. This city now has the highest level of murders per head of population than any other city in Ireland. If this is isn't a wake up call as to how bad things have gotten here I don't know what is.

the drifter

Yipee another fine award for our fair city.......

talkingclock

lies, lies, lies! it's such a peaceful place here!

[conspiracy]it's only coming from the dublin media! i'm telling ya![/conspiracy]

is anyone out there thinking that something will seriously change here??

regeneration project? my a*se! moving the scum just to other places in town but the scum is still alive and active...

DarkJager

There's one thing we've been able to point at in the past, and thats the fact that the city is not that violent when you compare it to the population size of Dublin. I think we've lost our last defence against the criticism we recieve.

Regeneration projects are only going to improve the look of the areas they are operating in. They are in no way going to change the gutter level scumbags that live in those areas. They're too concerned with all this macho bull**** of stabbing or shooting people that don't agree with them or cross their paths. If you ask me, the only way we're ever going to improve this city is if the scumbags ruining it are wiped out (and I don't mean prison )

That of course is not going to happen, so I guess we'll just have to sit back as usual and watch this place get worse and worse.

Sierra Oscar

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Reports this morning say an analysis of serious crime statistics in the various garda divisions shows that Dublin has the highest level of overall crime.

Stupid, biased article. They bash Limerick even though Dublin's crime is higher all round.

DarkJager

Yes but there is a big difference between crime and murder...

Aesop

Limerick also had the highest incidence of homicides per head of population, with Tipperary second and Dublin third.

I would be interested to know what those population figures are. Limerick city officially has population ~ 55,000. The actual figure is probably closer to twice that.

Liam Byrne

Aesop's right, and I've said it before, and I'll say it again.....the figures for Dublin are the "Greater Metropolitan Area", while the figures for Limerick are relative to the City boundary only, which goes from the Parkway to The Gaelic Grounds, and from The Crescent to Corbally bridge.

And I'm NOT being defensive or ostrich-like; I just wish they were fair in their comparisons; if they compared a "Greater Limerick Area" with "Greater Dublin", then we might have a fair reflection of the comparison.

I mean, there was a murder in Callan, Co. Kilkenny at the weekend - a tiny village outside Kilkenny; does that mean that "per head of population", Callan has a bigger "per capita" murder rate than Limerick ?


Callan : 1 / 1,224 = 0.08169 %
Limerick : 5 / 91,000 = 0.00549 %

I'm not saying the above is in any way scientific, but it CAN be PROVEN by skewed use of FACTUAL STATISTICS.....

Slightly less biased version of the story available at http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/topstories/12383311?view=Eircomnet, although the headline is again used to deflect from Dublin's status.

Karmafaerie

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Aesop's right, and I've said it before, and I'll say it again.....the figures for Dublin are the "Greater Metropolitan Area", while the figures for Limerick are relative to the City boundary only, which goes from the Parkway to The Gaelic Grounds, and from The Crescent to Corbally bridge.

And I'm NOT being defensive or ostrich-like; I just wish they were fair in their comparisons; if they compared a "Greater Limerick Area" with "Greater Dublin", then we might have a fair reflection of the comparison.

I mean, there was a murder in Callan, Co. Kilkenny at the weekend - a tiny village outside Kilkenny; does that mean that "per head of population", Callan has a bigger "per capita" murder rate than Limerick ?


Callan : 1 / 1,224 = 0.08169 %
Limerick : 5 / 91,000 = 0.00549 %

I'm not saying the above is in any way scientific, but it CAN be PROVEN by skewed use of FACTUAL STATISTICS.....

Slightly less biased version of the story available at http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/topstories/12383311?view=Eircomnet, although the headline is again used to deflect from Dublin's status.

Well allow me LB.

The Limerick Garda district, takes in all of Limerick City, Limerick County, Most of Clare, and parts of Tipperary.
The total population is in and around 300,000.
The "official" population of Limerick city is under 54,000.


The figures quoted are for murders in Limerick Garda district, and the population is taken as Limerick City's.

This means that the murder per capita rate in Limerick is actually almost 6 times lower than implied!!!!!!


Let me repeat that!


The murder per capita rate in Limerick is actually almost 6 times lower than implied!!!!!!



Coincidentally, the official Population of all of Dublin's Garda districts is around 750,000.
The population that they take for Dublin is that of the greater area, and comes to around 1,450,000.
This means that the official rates for Dublin, are less than half what they actually are!!!!!!

Let me repeat that too.


This means that the official rates for Dublin, are less than half what they actually are!!!!!!



Now before you ask why I don't have the exact numbers, it's because as of last year, the government stopped releasing them.
And amazingly, two years ago, was when a University of Limerick maths professor went to a national newspaper, using those figures to point out that Limerick had one third of the crime per capita than Dublin, and in fact had less crime of any kind than the national average.

Last year was also the first time in the history of the state, when more than half of the murders in Ireland, happened within Dublin!!!!!


Now lets think about that.

Dublin's population is less than quarter of the nations, and they had more than half the murders, and yet Limerick has a higher level of murders!!!!!!

Come on people, don't forget to clean the sand out of your ears after you've removed your heads from it!!!!!!!

Please tell me how, I think, 4 murders in Limerick last year, consists a higher number per capita than the over 40 in Dublin?!!!


And again, just so you won't have to take my word, I'm sending in a written request for a detailed list of all crimes, and murders carried out in Ireland to Garda headquarters.
We are guaranteed this information in our constitution, but the Gardai seem to have forgotten this for the last two years!!!!!

Once I have this, I am going to make out a detailed list of all murders and headline crimes in all parts of the country, and then I am going to seriously consider sending a legal request to all involved government agencies, and all media releasing this crap to issue a public retraction.


As ridiculous as it sounds, I'm gone past being mad at this crap!!!!

Liam Byrne

Well, strike one for free speech....

While checking for the actual figures behind this, I found an article that the Sindo published 18 months ago; at the time, I was interviewed on the radio about it, but my letter to the Sindo wasn't published and Live 95's calls to the paper were not returned.

The article itself isn't TOO bad, apart from the last line which is pure tabloid rubbish, but the headline is unbelieveably biased!, since it only refers that last line....

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/one-more-killing-and-limerick-is-murder-capital-of-western-europe-134911.html

BUT they actually published a comment that I posted today when I found the article.

I *think* the full letter that I sent to the Sindo is somewhere here on boards.ie in another thread.....

utick

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Well allow me LB.

The Limerick Garda district, takes in all of Limerick City, Limerick County, Most of Clare, and parts of Tipperary.
The total population is in and around 300,000.
The "official" population of Limerick city is under 54,000.


The figures quoted are for murders in Limerick Garda district, and the population is taken as Limerick City's.

This means that the murder per capita rate in Limerick is actually almost 6 times lower than implied!!!!!!


Let me repeat that!


The murder per capita rate in Limerick is actually almost 6 times lower than implied!!!!!!



Coincidentally, the official Population of all of Dublin's Garda districts is around 750,000.
The population that they take for Dublin is that of the greater area, and comes to around 1,450,000.
This means that the official rates for Dublin, are less than half what they actually are!!!!!!

Let me repeat that too.


This means that the official rates for Dublin, are less than half what they actually are!!!!!!



Now before you ask why I don't have the exact numbers, it's because as of last year, the government stopped releasing them.
And amazingly, two years ago, was when a University of Limerick maths professor went to a national newspaper, using those figures to point out that Limerick had one third of the crime per capita than Dublin, and in fact had less crime of any kind than the national average.

Last year was also the first time in the history of the state, when more than half of the murders in Ireland, happened within Dublin!!!!!


Now lets think about that.

Dublin's population is less than quarter of the nations, and they had more than half the murders, and yet Limerick has a higher level of murders!!!!!!

Come on people, don't forget to clean the sand out of your ears after you've removed your heads from it!!!!!!!

Please tell me how, I think, 4 murders in Limerick last year, consists a higher number per capita than the over 40 in Dublin?!!!


And again, just so you won't have to take my word, I'm sending in a written request for a detailed list of all crimes, and murders carried out in Ireland to Garda headquarters.
We are guaranteed this information in our constitution, but the Gardai seem to have forgotten this for the last two years!!!!!

Once I have this, I am going to make out a detailed list of all murders and headline crimes in all parts of the country, and then I am going to seriously consider sending a legal request to all involved government agencies, and all media releasing this crap to issue a public retraction.


As ridiculous as it sounds, I'm gone past being mad at this crap!!!!

firstly, there was definatly more than 4 murders in limerick last year.
and secondly including the peaceful countryside in limericks stats would actually make the numbers look better than they do, not worse as you seem to think.
and thridly 101 shootings per 100,000 people is pretty awful any way you look at it

rebs23

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Well allow me LB.

The Limerick Garda district, takes in all of Limerick City, Limerick County, Most of Clare, and parts of Tipperary.
The total population is in and around 300,000.
The "official" population of Limerick city is under 54,000.


The figures quoted are for murders in Limerick Garda district, and the population is taken as Limerick City's.

This means that the murder per capita rate in Limerick is actually almost 6 times lower than implied!!!!!!


Let me repeat that!


The murder per capita rate in Limerick is actually almost 6 times lower than implied!!!!!!



Coincidentally, the official Population of all of Dublin's Garda districts is around 750,000.
The population that they take for Dublin is that of the greater area, and comes to around 1,450,000.
This means that the official rates for Dublin, are less than half what they actually are!!!!!!

Let me repeat that too.


This means that the official rates for Dublin, are less than half what they actually are!!!!!!



Now before you ask why I don't have the exact numbers, it's because as of last year, the government stopped releasing them.
And amazingly, two years ago, was when a University of Limerick maths professor went to a national newspaper, using those figures to point out that Limerick had one third of the crime per capita than Dublin, and in fact had less crime of any kind than the national average.

Last year was also the first time in the history of the state, when more than half of the murders in Ireland, happened within Dublin!!!!!


Now lets think about that.

Dublin's population is less than quarter of the nations, and they had more than half the murders, and yet Limerick has a higher level of murders!!!!!!

Come on people, don't forget to clean the sand out of your ears after you've removed your heads from it!!!!!!!

Please tell me how, I think, 4 murders in Limerick last year, consists a higher number per capita than the over 40 in Dublin?!!!


And again, just so you won't have to take my word, I'm sending in a written request for a detailed list of all crimes, and murders carried out in Ireland to Garda headquarters.
We are guaranteed this information in our constitution, but the Gardai seem to have forgotten this for the last two years!!!!!

Once I have this, I am going to make out a detailed list of all murders and headline crimes in all parts of the country, and then I am going to seriously consider sending a legal request to all involved government agencies, and all media releasing this crap to issue a public retraction.


As ridiculous as it sounds, I'm gone past being mad at this crap!!!!

There were 8 murders in Limerick last year and 25% of all gun crime (shots discharged) happened in Limerick. Putting your head in the sand and ridicously claiming that the Limerick Garda division includes all of the Mid West or just Limerick City and thereby claiming the stats are wrong is a denial of the reality that Limerick is a very violent city. I really don't undersatand your maths. It is done on a per capita basis for each area.
Accept it and deal with it. Consistently denying it won't help matters.

Liam Byrne

rebs23 wrote: »

claiming the stats are wrong is a denial of the reality that Limerick is a very violent city

rebs23 wrote: »

I really don't undersatand your maths. It is done on a per capita basis for each area.
. Accept it and deal with it. Consistently denying it won't help matters.

Once we get some statistical balance in the reporting, we can deal with it. Hysterical headlines claiming Limerick is worse or more dangerous than Dublin will only be accepted once the reporting is accurate and unbiased; otherwise people WILL start to say "that's wrong/unfair" and WILL bury their heads in the sand.

Pointing out that the stats are wrong doesn't deny that Limerick - or, more specifically, some areas of Limerick combined with some dodgy criminals in Limerick - are violent (I'd dispute the word "very"). Let's look at it another way - the overall safety of the general, law-abiding public......which is safer, Limerick or Dublin ? Factoring in the fact that almost all of the deaths in Limerick were criminals and gang members and not members of the public, I know where I'd feel safer.

Yes, there's a knock-on and some day an innocent bystander could get hurt or worse; so there's no call to put heads in the sand.....but looking for factual stats and balanced reporting is required so that we can see the extent of the problem and in fact is ESSENTIAL so that people WON'T dismiss it as just unbalanced and biased reporting.....

Plus, as I demonstrated above, "per capita" isn't a fair reflection, since a small village in Kilkenny has overtaken Limerick on the basis of one murder - 1 per approx 1,000 as against 1 per 10,000.

I can - and did - objectively say that's unfair, but the newspaper headlines don't give Limerick the same respect.....why not ? Did you see a headline at the weekend claiming that Kilkenny has a higher "per capita" murder rate ? Or did you even hear people associating Kilkenny City's reputation with something that happened in the county, 10 miles out ? It's ironically a similar distance away to that of the murder of Gerry McCabe in Adare which one newspaper associated with/added to the Limerick City crime level at the time !!!! Funny how it was OK for them to do that in Limerick's case, but not in Kilkenny's......

Aesop

Karmafaerie according to the article below the populations are taken on a county basis from the CSO?

http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/topstories/12383311?view=Eircomnet

The crime figures are done per Garda division does this mean they include large parts of Clare and Tipp? I can't find any information on how garda districts are divided up in the Limerick/Midwest region.

The homicide rate 7 per 100,000 for Limerick. That would mean there were 12 murders between Limerick city and county if the crime figures are just for Limerick. That would seem very high.

gaf1983

As far as I know, the crime figures are taken from the past two years, 06 and 07. Here's the Irish Times article on it:

Limerick is black spot in State for homicide and gun crime

CONOR LALLY, Crime Correspondent

Dublin has the highest per capita overall crime rate in the Republic, but when it comes to very serious crime including homicide and gun crime Limerick is the State's black spot.

The findings are contained in figures obtained by The Irish Times which for the first time give a breakdown of headline, or serious, crime in counties and Garda divisions across the State.

The data reveal that in the last two years the number of incidents in which firearms were discharged was five times higher in Limerick than in Dublin, the next worst affected county.

There were some 101 incidents of discharging of firearms per 100,000 population in Limerick in 2006 and 2007 combined. This compares with 20 incidents per 100,000 people in Dublin.

The Wexford/Wicklow Garda division was next with 13 cases per 100,000 over the past two years.

The number of cases of possession of firearms was also highest in Limerick, with 46 cases per 100,000. This was followed by Tipperary, with 30 cases per 100,000, and Dublin with 28 cases.

The homicide rate for the last two years has also been highest in Limerick where there were seven cases of murder and manslaughter per 100,000.

Surprisingly, Tipperary had the second highest per capita number of homicides, with six cases per 100,000 over the past two years.

While Dublin has seen the highest incidence of homicide, at 63 cases, over the past two years, it ranks third on a per capita basis, with five cases per 100,000 in the period.

Mayo is the only Garda division in the State where no homicides were reported in the last two years. The county also boasts the lowest overall crime rate in the State.

The data also reveal discrepancies in the level of Garda manpower assigned to various Garda divisions.

Dublin is the most policed area with 356 gardaí per 100,000 population. This is followed by: Sligo/Leitrim, 337 gardaí per 100,000; Cavan/Monaghan, 334; Donegal, 324; and Limerick, 322.

The least policed region is the Wexford/Wicklow Garda division with 142 gardaí per 100,000 population.

The drugs problem is worst in Dublin, with 311 cases per 100,000 of possession of drugs for sale or supply in the past two years.

This level of drug dealing detections is almost twice as high as the next worst affected area, the Laois/Offaly Garda division. In Laois/Offaly there were 172 cases per 100,000, followed by Limerick, with 171 cases per 100,000.

Away from drug dealing and gun crime, the Cavan/Monaghan Garda division has the worst record in the "assault causing harm" category, with 282 cases per 100,000.

This is followed by: Donegal, 275 cases per 100,000; Limerick, 220 cases; Longford/Westmeath, 214 cases; and Dublin, 205 cases.

The Donegal division had the highest per capita number of sexual offences, with 88 cases per 100,000. This was followed by: Waterford/Kilkenny, 79 cases; Cavan/Monaghan, 71 cases.

Dublin is the burglary black spot in the State with 1,594 cases per 100,000 population in the past two years. This was followed by: Longford/Westmeath, 1,450; and Carlow/Kildare, 1,404.

The figures have been compiled by The Irish Times after obtaining a Central Statistics Office (CSO) breakdown of headline offences for Garda divisions over the past two years.

The CSO has just taken over from the Garda in compiling crime statistics.

The per capita rate of crime for each crime category in each division has been established using a combination of the divisional crime statistics and the CSO's county population figures.
© 2008 The Irish Times

Liam Byrne

A lot more objective from the Irish Times, INCLUDING:

Dublin is the most policed area with 356 gardaí per 100,000 population. This is followed by: ....... Limerick, 322.

Would it be fair to suggest that "More Gardai = less crime ?"

Therefore, can we logically conclude that IF Limerick had the same level of support from Government as their beloved Dublin, and we had the same level of Gardai, that things might be at least some bit better ?

Odd that we've 34 less Gardai even after the powers-that-be single us out for special attention, isn't it ?

BarryCreed

yawn....

The Muppet

I live in Swords north Co Dublin which is appoximately the size of Limerick with a similar population and a fraction of the serious crime Limerick has.

Limerick has a very serious crime problem and it's not a figment of anyones imagination.

Liam Byrne

The Muppet wrote: »

I live in Swords north Co Dublin which is appoximately the size of Limerick with a similar population and a fraction of the serious crime Limerick has.

Limerick has a very serious crime problem and it's not a figment of anyones imagination.

Show me one place where anyone said otherwise ?

True, the correct phrase would start with "some areas of Limerick", but since it affects the entire city's reputation, it has become a citywide issue.

All we ask for is fair and balanced reporting. That's not too much to ask, is it ?

BarryCreed wrote: »

yawn....

Of course, if people are yawning during the discussion, :rolleyes: then they're probably not awake enough to spot the subtleties required to read between the lines of statistics and attention-grabbing headlines.

gaf1983

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Odd that we've 34 less Gardai even after the powers-that-be single us out for special attention, isn't it ?

There could be other, more boring and practical, reasons why Limerick does not have the same amount of guards per capita as Dublin - for instance, there might not be enough capacity in Limerick Garda Stations to accomodate them. I remember reading an article to that effect in one of the local papers about a year ago. There is talk though of the guards moving from Henry St to a larger more modern facility which could hopefully accomodate increased numbers then.

Sunn

The homicide rate for the last two years has also been highest in Limerick where there were seven cases of murder and manslaughter per 100,000.

Surprisingly, Tipperary had the second highest per capita number of homicides, with six cases per 100,000 over the past two years.

While Dublin has seen the highest incidence of homicide, at 63 cases, over the past two years, it ranks third on a per capita basis, with five cases per 100,000 in the period.

per capita doesnt tell you anything, it just makes things look better.

If Limerick had a similar population to dublin it would probably be the same over all.


To say Limerick has a worse homicide rate compared to Dublin is ludicrous.

The Muppet
I live in Swords north Co Dublin which is appoximately the size of Limerick with a similar population and a fraction of the serious crime Limerick has.

Limerick has a very serious crime problem and it's not a figment of anyones imagination

muppet by name and nature judging by that post.

utick

Sunn wrote: »

per capita doesnt tell you anything, it just makes things look better.

If Limerick had a similar population to dublin it would probably be the same over all.


To say Limerick has a worse homicide rate compared to Dublin is ludicrous.




muppet by name and nature judging by that post.

what would you suggest would be a better way to do the murder rate.


if limerick has 10 murders in a year and dublin also had 10 murders in a year, where would YOU be less likely to be murdered?

Sunn

utick wrote: »

what would you suggest would be a better way to do the murder rate.


if limerick has 10 murders in a year and dublin also had 10 murders in a year, where would YOU be less likely to be murdered?

Just because Dublin has a bigger population doesn't mean it would generally be safer, or you would less likely to be killed. Most people murdered are involved in criminal activity in some shape or form.

Your comment is purely hypothetical, I based my argument on the so called "facts".

The Muppet

Sunn wrote: »

To say Limerick has a worse homicide rate compared to Dublin is ludicrous.

Ludicrous but true.

Sunn wrote: »

If Limerick had a similar population to dublin it would probably be the same over all.

Sunn wrote: »

Your comment is purely hypothetical, I based my argument on the so called "facts".

Facts LOL

Sierra Oscar

Liam Byrne wrote: »

A lot more objective from the Irish Times, INCLUDING:



Would it be fair to suggest that "More Gardai = less crime ?"

Therefore, can we logically conclude that IF Limerick had the same level of support from Government as their beloved Dublin, and we had the same level of Gardai, that things might be at least some bit better ?

Odd that we've 34 less Gardai even after the powers-that-be single us out for special attention, isn't it ?

The Gardai in Limerick are in need of more resources - however at the moment Henry Street (HQ) simply cannot hold anymore Gardai by the looks of it. The quicker they build the new planned station the better.

DarkJager wrote: »

Yes but there is a big difference between crime and murder...

Yeah, crime affects me, the average bloke, more. All of these murders tend to be amongst feuding family's or whatever. Robberies, assaults and the like are not. Just think about it. :rolleyes:

BarryCreed

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Of course, if people are yawning during the discussion, :rolleyes: then they're probably not awake enough to spot the subtleties required to read between the lines of statistics and attention-grabbing headlines.

yawn and stretch and yawn again. I've never felt any danger walking around Limerick city. Granted about 10 to 12 years back, there was a nasty crew hanging around supermacs on saturday nights, but id assume most of them are now in prison or have been killed off.
I felt far more uneasy walking around tullamore on a saturday night...
and anytime i mention im from limk, people think its some s**thole.

Dublin has an amazing amount of scum walking around the city centre during the day. classy...

bazz26

I wonder if this had happened in Limerick would the media reaction be different?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0318/finglas.html

topper75

BarryCreed wrote: »

Dublin has an amazing amount of scum walking around the city centre during the day. classy...

Yeah I'm from Limerick and feel no threat as the trouble is contained in certain dodgy estates and doesn't really affect the man in the street. It certainly isn't a problem for visitors to the city centre. If scumbags wipe out scumbags, my eyes stay dry.

However, on my regular visits to HQ of work in Dublin, I feel quite uneasy at times. I travel from Heuston on the Luas to the docklands area and the entire route has dodgy customers hanging around Luas stops getting on and off, harrassing people at the ticket machines for change and generally being menacing. I don't know why the authorities in Dub tolerate this. This Luas route and Heuston are frequented by a lot of visitors to our country.

BarryCreed

its nearly more intimidating during the day in dublin than at night.
i also agree with the above poster, I have no problems with scumbags wiping out each other.
what they could do is get them all into the gaelic grounds or croker, like gladiators, and charge in to see them all fight till the death.
seriously, most small towns in ireland are worse than limerick id say...
you rarely see scraps and the likes in town (limk), i suppose there are always gonna be risks in the quieter parts of town, but i wasnt 10 minutes in a nightclub in tullamore on saturday, and there was a mass brawl, women and all, and then you get slagged cos you're from limk.
if what happened in finglas happened in limk yesterday, would be a different story alright...

Liam Byrne

BarryCreed wrote: »

yawn and stretch and yawn again. I've never felt any danger walking around Limerick city. Granted about 10 to 12 years back, there was a nasty crew hanging around supermacs on saturday nights, but id assume most of them are now in prison or have been killed off.
I felt far more uneasy walking around tullamore on a saturday night...
and anytime i mention im from limk, people think its some s**thole.

Dublin has an amazing amount of scum walking around the city centre during the day. classy...

Sorry, Barry.....I took the yawn as a reply to my post, rather than at the thread title / headline.....apologies!!!

It's true, though - I've NEVER, EVER seen anything in Limerick that was even REMOTELY like the level of violence shown in Dublin's St Patrick's Day riots....how many years have they gone on now ?

So where are (law-abiding) members of the public safer, then ?

Liam Byrne

utick wrote: »

if limerick has 10 murders in a year and dublin also had 10 murders in a year, where would YOU be less likely to be murdered?

On the face of it, probably Limerick, but that's because I live here (so I'm here 365 days a year and I'm in Dublin about twice a year if I can't avoid it).

Although, on second thoughts and looking at current trends, I'm not involved in the drugs trade or associated with anyone in the feud, so therefore even if there were 10 murders in each I'd probably have a better chance of being killed in Dublin.

Of course, looking at yesterday's headlines, I could always stay on O'Connell St in Limerick instead of going to Dublin on St Patrick's Day, thereby doubling my chances of not being killed or maimed.

Poxyshamrock

Limerick is rough.
We all know it and deal with it!
Big whoop!
Somewhere has to have the highest level of killings and gun crime!
So what if we do?
It's not the only thing Limerick has to it's name.

BarryCreed

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Sorry, Barry.....I took the yawn as a reply to my post, rather than at the thread title / headline.....apologies!!!

no worries Liam. It's just jaded at this stage, the way the national media won't acknowledge the fact that the trouble in Limerick (unfortunately for them) only affects a very small number of people, from what I can see...

Then, on the other hand, you do come across some people from Limerick who, when they are away, they seem to think they have to live up to some tough guy reputation...

Although, on occasions, I have put on a serious Limerick accent to get me out of some situations, then was accused of being a "cork wa*ker"!!! I'm FROM Limk!!!

topper75

Is Limerick a rough place or is Southill a rough place? Is Dublin a rough place or is Finglas a rough place?

See what I'm getting at with bold font? The media doesn't want Limerick to be a sports capital/vibrant college scene/Georgian blocks/majestic river centrepiece. It wants the entire place to be some kind of cartoon-style crime blackspot.

On the other hand - Dublin is cool hibernia/docklands/U2/point depot (oh and yeah there may be the odd drunk teen burning out a car/visitor getting finger ripped off/heroin addict begging for change - but let's not focus on that)

One can become very misinformed by subcontracting out one's thinking to the ridiculously Dublo-centric media. Judging by the reactions I get when introducing myself as a Limerick City native, a lot of people seem to be doing just that.

BarryCreed

I wonder what the coverage would be like if that tourist had his finger ripped off in Limerick city.
Does that go into the area of scumbags just getting worse and worse all over the country...they just don't seem to care.
back on topic, good point by topper75

Liam Byrne

Yup, topper75 is bang-on the button.

I was watching TV3's - ahem - "news" last night and they were on about the riot in FINGLAS.......now here's a pop quiz....

If that had been in a suburb of Limerick, which would have been in the headline:

A) The name of the suburb
LIMERICK

I texted them about the discrepancy but - surprise, surprise - they ignored it.

Not only that, but there's a massive, scary difference between the two.......ANYONE could have been killed or injured in that riot, whereas Limerick's violence is 90% targetted at family members in the feud.....

I know where I feel safer, anyway......no contest.

daithicarr

doesnt matter what happens in dublin or else where, when something happens in Limerick they all jump on it and highlight it as evidence of what a dive of a city we have.

there was a fight one night near supermacs and i think a car was damaged, the media portrayed it to scenes similar to belfast at the hight of the troubles.

that love ulster riot, which was a real riot, hasnt stuck to dublin reputation. I am sick to my teeth of people using misinformed and biased new paper articles to illustrate what a **** city Limerick is.

Just recently i got an article from a friend showing some guy walking down a deserted street strewen with rubbish, it was impossible to make out where the street was, but the article is how Limerick is a stagnent , declining city, haven fallen behind galway in terms of population. of course it utterly failed to mention that half of Limerick city was outside a boundry which hasnt been changed in years. even though Limerick is still bigger than galway, it has now in the eyes of the media sliped to the 4th largest city in the republic.

roadruner

daithicarr wrote: »

doesnt matter what happens in dublin or else where, when something happens in Limerick they all jump on it and highlight it as evidence of what a dive of a city we have.

there was a fight one night near supermacs and i think a car was damaged, the media portrayed it to scenes similar to belfast at the hight of the troubles.

that love ulster riot, which was a real riot, hasnt stuck to dublin reputation. I am sick to my teeth of people using misinformed and biased new paper articles to illustrate what a **** city Limerick is.

Just recently i got an article from a friend showing some guy walking down a deserted street strewen with rubbish, it was impossible to make out where the street was, but the article is how Limerick is a stagnent , declining city, haven fallen behind galway in terms of population. of course it utterly failed to mention that half of Limerick city was outside a boundry which hasnt been changed in years. even though Limerick is still bigger than galway, it has now in the eyes of the media sliped to the 4th largest city in the republic.

I've never had a problem walking down any street day or night in Limerick, I've seen fights and all kinds of stuff in cities all over Ireland what makes Limerick a media attraction? Well they have to find something wrong don't they!
Limerick is a great place to be, nice friendly people clean streets new places popping up all over.
So what’s Limericks problem?
Nothing that any other city can claim to be free of, crimes happen everywhere it's just how the media have painted limerick and of course it's brought up again if the smallest thing happens.
I just came back from Rome, now I know size wise and population wise there is no comparison but as for dirty streets! Boy they certainly win the prize and to walk down a street there at night well I’d feel a lot safer in Limerick
IMO


FAB CITY not Stab city

D-A-V-E

The Muppet wrote: »

I live in Swords north Co Dublin which is appoximately the size of Limerick with a similar population and a fraction of the serious crime Limerick has.

Limerick has a very serious crime problem and it's not a figment of anyones imagination.

hah i just have to laugh at this quote! i cant believe no1 has wrote back about this! swords has a population of about 35000, its a town..slightly bigger than one of limericks bigger suburbs..Limerick is a city with comfortably over 100,000, trying to compare a town which is significantly dwarfed by it is fairly redeculous to say the least! no offence!

roadruner

Liam Byrne wrote: »

True, the correct phrase would start with "some areas of Limerick", but since it affects the entire city's reputation, it has become a citywide issue.
All we ask for is fair and balanced reporting. That's not too much to ask, is it ?
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I couldn’t agree more

The Muppet wrote: »

I live in Swords north Co Dublin which is appoximately the size of Limerick with a similar population and a fraction of the serious crime Limerick has.
Limerick has a very serious crime problem and it’s not a figment of anyones imagination.

All crime is serious!

I think you should revise your geography and census!
Swords is nowhere near the size or population of limerick city, more like the size and population of Raheen or Castleroy.

Show me a CITY in Ireland that doesn’t have a crime problem

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The Gardai in Limerick are in need of more resources - however at the moment Henry Street (HQ) simply cannot hold anymore Gardai by the looks of it. The quicker they build the new planned station the better.

Yeah, crime affects me, the average bloke, more. All of these murders tend to be amongst feuding family's or whatever. Robberies, assaults and the like are not. Just think about it. :rolleyes:

Very true Gardai are under resourced in this instance in (limerick), how many stations are there Edward St (Closed), Mary St (think it’s still open if so it’s undersized) Henry St (Bulging) Mayorstone (undersized) Roxborough (Bulging)

Murder in limerick does tend to be feud related, when was the last time anyone heard of John Doe being shot in limerick unless it’s a stray round! (Touch wood it will never happen anywhere)

As for arming uniformed Gardai I say yes,
Picture walking or driving through a part of a city where drug dealing gangs reside who in order to guard their turf (or repel feuding gangs) are most certainly within reach of some ballistics ordnance

What chance do two Gardai with radios and batons stand against a bullet fired from a gun held by some 20 yro twit who is bombed on weed, ecstasy or cocaine and couldn’t give a flying fiddlers about doing time.
Okay the two Gardai get on the radio for back up that takes how long? 2 5 10 minutes by that time this little scumbag could have shot and killed anyone who passes, innocent civilians or Gardai.
What then he gets 15 years for manslaughter gets out after 8 and guess what, he’s a hard man now so he starts making money from more crime.

These gangs don’t feel threatened by Gardai or the law; ok they go inside for 6 months to 2 years what happens? Well they meet up with the rest of their cronies and have a great time, until they arrive out on the streets and start all over again
Arm the Gardai let these scumbags know that if they bite they will get bitten not sent on holidays for a few months so they can watch DVD’s, have a laugh, get fed and found.

These criminals have perfectly good estates in limerick ruined, driving out the genuine people only for the houses to be boarded up as no one will live there.
Then the media get hold of a big brush, paint limerick city and county one colour and put a big DO NOT ENTER STAB CITY AHEAD sign up!

(End of my weekly rant) Written with all due respect

utick

roadruner wrote: »

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Murder in limerick does tend to be feud related, when was the last time anyone heard of John Doe being shot in limerick unless it’s a stray round! (Touch wood it will never happen anywhere)

its the same in dublin, most of it is feud related there also, the last innocent victim i remember in limierick was a few months ago, some guy visiting from england had his head sevred with an axe, so it would be naeive to think it never happens in limerick

Affable

utick wrote: »

its the same in dublin, most of it is feud related there also, the last innocent victim i remember in limierick was a few months ago, some guy visiting from england had his head sevred with an axe, so it would be naeive to think it never happens in limerick

Good god. Sounds horrific.

roadruner

utick wrote: »

its the same in dublin, most of it is feud related there also, the last innocent victim i remember in limierick was a few months ago, some guy visiting from england had his head sevred with an axe, so it would be naeive to think it never happens in limerick

Sad but true unfortunately

Liam Byrne

utick wrote: »

its the same in dublin, most of it is feud related there also, the last innocent victim i remember in limierick was a few months ago, some guy visiting from england had his head sevred with an axe

Strange....never heard about that and there's no sign of it during a couple of Google searches.....

Urban legend or actual story ? roadruner seems to imply that it's true, so I don't want to doubt anyone. Any chance of a link to back it up ?

so it would be naeive to think it never happens in limerick

That's just it - no-one's saying that it doesn't. We're just saying that it's nothing like what's reported. You'd expect that crap from tabloids, but when broadsheets and "reputable" sources start doing it, then there's a problem.

Kess73

Did not think his head was severed. I am guessing we are talking about the guy who was killed in Southill? He was back from England, and going by the news reports at the time, was looking for work in Limerick.

An axe or machete was what was reported as being the most likely murder weapon.

bazz26

utick wrote: »

its the same in dublin, most of it is feud related there also, the last innocent victim i remember in limierick was a few months ago, some guy visiting from england had his head sevred with an axe, so it would be naeive to think it never happens in limerick

Last year or the year before there was a guy in Dublin who had his body chopped up by his girlfriend and her sister, then they dumped the body parts in the Grand Canal, the Gardai found the headless torso afik.

Both women are in prison know so voilent deaths are not just a Limerick thing. It would equally be naeive to think so.

utick

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Strange....never heard about that and there's no sign of it during a couple of Google searches.....

Urban legend or actual story ? roadruner seems to imply that it's true, so I don't want to doubt anyone. Any chance of a link to back it up ?


That's just it - no-one's saying that it doesn't. We're just saying that it's nothing like what's reported. You'd expect that crap from tabloids, but when broadsheets and "reputable" sources start doing it, then there's a problem.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/3419/Southill-community-in-shock-at.3515078.jp

its a link from one of your own media outlets, so you can hardly accuse it of being dublin media hype either



Sources claimed that Mr Hannon was "bludgeoned to death and was struck with an axe at the back of his neck", and that "the attack was so brutal that his head was practically severed from his body".

roadruner

utick wrote: »

its the same in dublin, most of it is feud related there also, the last innocent victim i remember in limierick was a few months ago, some guy visiting from england had his head sevred with an axe, so it would be naeive to think it never happens in limerick

I said 'Sad but true unfortunately' to the quote about it being feud related, nothing about 'some guy visiting from england had his head severed with an axe'

The guy who was murdered was not from england he lived in southill all his life, and wasn't killed by the axe he was bludgeoned apparently

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Strange....never heard about that and there's no sign of it during a couple of Google searches.....
Urban legend or actual story ? roadruner seems to imply that it's true, so I don't want to doubt anyone. Any chance of a link to back it up ?

As for links to back it up Liam you have had your say here too
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/one-more-killing-and-limerick-is-murder-capital-of-western-europe-134911.html

As for an axe murder in Limerick well It must have never made the media, I can't remember a murder like it happening
This was the last one
http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/murder-investigation-launched-into-limerick-death-1296832.html


If your looking to find history of murders in limerick that were published
http://www.limerickleader.ie/template/results.aspx?SearchText=murder&SearchType=Exact&PageId=1&SectionID=3419

utick

roadruner wrote: »

I said 'Sad but true unfortunately' to the quote about it being feud related, nothing about 'some guy visiting from england had his head severed with an axe'

The guy who was murdered was not from england he lived in southill all his life, and wasn't killed by the axe he was bludgeoned apparently




As for links to back it up Liam you have had your say here too
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/one-more-killing-and-limerick-is-murder-capital-of-western-europe-134911.html

As for an axe murder in Limerick well It must have never made the media, I can't remember a murder like it happening
This was the last one
http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/murder-investigation-launched-into-limerick-death-1296832.html


If your looking to find history of murders in limerick that were published
http://www.limerickleader.ie/template/results.aspx?SearchText=murder&SearchType=Exact&PageId=1&SectionID=3419

i posted the link for you above, made it nice and simple for you :rolleyes:

Amazotheamazing

Utick, what have got against Limerick?

You were describing Limerick as stab city in After Hours not so long ago, you only seem to row in here when you have something negative to say?

I mean, surely you life isn't so empty you get your kicks running down Limerick on the internet, surely there's better things to do with your time?

With regards to the stats, as soon as the irish middle-class decide to stop doing drugs, perhaps Limerick's problems will clear up. If you are doing drugs in ireland, you are supporting violent crime, simple as.

Xennon

It's funny to see people from Dublin pointing the finger at Limerick and shouting "stab city", "your town is full of criminals" etc etc. The fact of the matter is that this is an attitude held by small minded people who cannot see beyond their own confines (little kingdoms syndrome).
The problem that Limerick experiences with serious crime levels shouldn't be considered a Limerick problem, it's an Irish problem. The feuds in Limerick are fueled by the drug industry, which I might add is pandemic in this country with a major source of the market based in Dublin.
As Amaz stated, the blame should be shared by the middle class 'shapers' who indulge in Class A "recreational" narcotics whose self imposed blinkering wont let them admit that they are paying for these murders.
To see people from one part of Ireland slagging people from another part is so hilarious considering the tiny little island we live on, and the 4 or so million of us who would easily fit into a decent sized European city. Dublin is only 2.5 hrs or so from limerick, there is no 'us' and 'them', there is only 'us'.