The right to Free Speech and Expression.

heartwork93

Has anyone ever had problems with college officials with regards to what you say or wear?

funky penguin

Nope.

I'm guessing you have, or you're planing on doing so.

Or maybe you're just curious.

LeixlipRed

heartwork93 wrote: »

Has anyone ever had problems with college officials with regards to what you say or wear?

Did you say you were gonna burn down the Arts Block if they didn't pass you? That might be pushing free speech a bit

The guy

What did you do anyway?

Pherekydes

Have a look at some of his other posts; there aren't that many to wade through.

heartwork93

It doesn't matter what I did or didn't do. You would probably disagree with what I had or hadn't said. I am curious as to people claiming their right to free speech, but told to shut up because of peoples right to not be 'harassed' in the workplace. How can the problem be addressed when the problem bans free speech?

I disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

It's dangerous to be right in matters in which the established authorities are wrong.

-Voltaire

Zapp Brannigan

Judging by your other posts I'm guessing you were blathering on about race matters. So if you were told to shut it I have no sympathy for you.

folan

with the right to free speech, there is a responsibility not to use it to harass. Im not really sure what you mean here, but no, after 4 years in the college, never hassled about anything i said or did outside of a debate.

And the debate was in good spirits. people disagreed with me, adn some of my friends got alot more flack than me. but at the end of the day, the debate was interesting and good fun.

Try looking here if you want more information
http://www.nuim.ie/calendar/

heartwork93

It is more so political. The whole purpose of opposition parties is to right the wrongs of the governing party. Once the word 'race' is mentioned people turn away, not wanting to listen. If liberals believe they are so right, they should be able to listen to opposing views, analyse their points, and put forward a counter argument. How are people supposed to educate themselves when they do not want to listen. Are you all sheep? Are you going to blindly follow the lies of the liberal government? Or will you make your own decisions.

folan

I'm going to bow out on these two points.

1) what i believe you are speaking about is not your right to free speech and expression, its more the frustration that you are not being heard, or more appropriately in this case i believe, your view is not the common one.

2) while you have a right to free speech, you neither have the right to force others to listen, nor the right to argue your point with everyone. in a University or college setting, there is a right for students not to be harassed or have another's views pushed upon them. the university body has a responsibility to ensure a comfortable envoirnment for all its students, and so may impose regulations to ensure this occurs.

finally,
I'd rather be happy than right any day!

LeixlipRed

I see you're a member of stormfront. You're opinons are disgusting. How did a close minded racist idiot like yourself think you'd be viewed in an open liberal university like Maynooth? If you don't like it you're more than welcome to leave. Which would make the majoirty of us happy

heartwork93

LeixlipRed wrote: »

I see you're a member of stormfront. You're opinons are disgusting. How did a close minded racist idiot like yourself think you'd be viewed in an open liberal university like Maynooth? If you don't like it you're more than welcome to leave. Which would make the majoirty of us happy

I am, but what makes you think i'm a racist? I'm a racialist. There is a difference. LeixlipRed, a communist no doubt. You're probably one of those idiots who wears Che Guevara t shirts and CCCP hoodies without knowing anything about them. If you're so anti-racist, why would you love Ernesto Guevara so much?

The negro is indolent and lazy, and spends all his money on frivolities, whereas the European man is forward thinking, hard working and intelligent.

-Ernesto 'Che' Guevara

He was a sadist and a criminal, he enjoyed murdering people because they were a negro or gay.

How dare you assume what my opinions are just because i'm a member of Stormfront.org. You know nothing about me or my ideals.

I have the right to education, I will not be forced out by liberal bullies and their brainwashing techniques.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

White Flour

trellheim

Baa

FunkyChicken

hope you get a slap

heartwork93

Its funny the way people automatically assume i'm right wing because I demanded my right to free speech. Liberals can say whatever they want, conservatives get a boot in the face.

The_Minister

heartwork93 wrote: »

-Voltaire

Voltaire never said the first quote. It was said by his biographer.

heartwork93

The_Minister wrote: »

Voltaire never said the first quote. It was said by his biographer.

My mistake.

LeixlipRed

heartwork93 wrote: »

I am, but what makes you think i'm a racist? I'm a racialist. There is a difference. LeixlipRed, a communist no doubt. You're probably one of those idiots who wears Che Guevara t shirts and CCCP hoodies without knowing anything about them. If you're so anti-racist, why would you love Ernesto Guevara so much?

You are some tool you know that? The Red is because I'm a Shelbourne supporter. Pop over to Logic on a Friday will you and I'll explain it to you in more detail. Your sloping brow and the pain of your knuckles dragging everywhere probably distracts you from the truth

LeixlipRed

heartwork93 wrote: »

Its funny the way people automatically assume i'm right wing because I demanded my right to free speech. Liberals can say whatever they want, conservatives get a boot in the face.

People assume you're right wing because in some other post on this message board you say you belong to stormfront

heartwork93

LeixlipRed wrote: »

. Your sloping brow and the pain of your knuckles dragging everywhere probably distracts you from the truth

The truth?! Me!? No you are the nihilist here. White Nationalism is not based on hate like the KKK, it is based on love and preservance of culture.

You are the nihilist! Read this http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/african101facts1.html

hamnegg

Can't we all just get along????

And the name is ham and egg because i like it, not any political reason, i just like ham and egg

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

hahahahahaha
white nationalism is not based on hate
hahahahhahahahahhaahhaha

i've read stormfront, lovely place full of wonderful people.

LeixlipRed

heartwork93 wrote: »

The truth?! Me!? No you are the nihilist here. White Nationalism is not based on hate like the KKK, it is based on love and preservance of culture.

You are the nihilist! Read this http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/african101facts1.html

You say "You are the nihilist" like I suggested you are one. Which you obviously aint. You couldn't contain hatred towards other races if you were a nihilst for example. And I'm sure you and your White Nationalist buddies teach unconditional love do you or is it just love based on the colour of your skin? My breakfast is feeling dodgy in my stomach even conversing with someone like you

Pherekydes

What subjects are you studying, bud?

/Gets popcorn. This should be fun. Waits, expectantly.

Zapp Brannigan

Don't think he's in Maynooth yet (hopefully).

youzer-name

he is in maynooth.
he has also valdalized the arts block bathrooms with his opinions.
Is this part of free speech???

orestes

Slow coach wrote: »

What subjects are you studying, bud?

/Gets popcorn. This should be fun. Waits, expectantly.

He was taking art, but failed because he wouldn't put any paint or colours on the paper because it would ruin the purity and glory of it's whiteness

Pherekydes

What's White Nationalism anyway?

Do you do Irish Dancing? Play Hurling? Speak Irish most of the time?

What does WN involve?

LeixlipRed

Do you think something like this happened to him when he was younger?

here

It's about 1m 30s in. That site is legal to stream as well

LeixlipRed

heartwork93 wrote: »

http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/african101facts1.html

Jesus, I just read this. Basically it's 101 facts on why blacks have lower IQs than whites. Embarrassing stuff

Pherekydes

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Jesus, I just read this. Basically it's 101 facts on why blacks have lower IQs than whites. Embarrassing stuff

Hehe:

FACT #1: The White race has crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carvedmountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren icefields. It hasbeen responsible for the invention of the printing press, cement, the harnessingof electricity, flight, rocketry, astronomy, the telescope, space travel,firearms, the transistor, radio, television, the telephone, the lightbulb,photography, motion pictures, the phonograph, the electric battery, theautomobile, the steam engine, railroad transportation, the microscope, computers,and millions of other technological miracles. It has discovered countlessmedical advances, incredible applications, scientific progress, etc. Itsmembers have included such greats as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer,Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington,Jefferson, Hitler, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison,GrahamBell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt,Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of othernotable achievers. (37) (39)

Pity the cretins couldn't find the carriage return key. LOLs at Julius Ceaser [sic].

Zapp Brannigan

Hitler... that's enough for me.

funky penguin

heartwork, you should have just privatized your bebo.

LeixlipRed

Slow coach wrote: »

Hehe:



Pity the cretins couldn't find the carriage return key. LOLs at Julius Ceaser [sic].

Yeh it's full of spelling mistakes as well and loads of grammatical errors. Obviously not a very well educated racist. I mean racialist. Oops

Pherekydes

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Yeh it's full of spelling mistakes as well and loads of grammatical errors. Obviously not a very well educated racist. I mean racialist. Oops

Whaddya mean? They're the Master Race! :mad:

LeixlipRed

Damn, you're right. I'm white. But I've got sallow skin. Do you think I'll get into the club??? Oh I do hope so. I'd say they have such fun activity days

c1979

Jayusu lads this is a bit much. when I was in Maynooth it was about drinking flagans, smoking spliff and having a laugh. what has become of you all. I'm going to have to some down there and sort u all out.

Actually I do remeber a time back in 2001 when Donegal people were targetted. I think they are allrgiht though

pisslips

The only interesting thing that this thread highlighted for me is that I like toilet graphitti.

And I was waiting for this guy to make a point but it never happened.Personally I've no problem with people assuming superiority over a person or a group of people, if they're wrong it's their weakness of naivety, if they're correct, it's their weakness of pride.Whats wrong is when educated people and/or people of influence or responsibility indulge themselves in ideologies with disregard for the misinterpretations of the people they influence.For example, if I we're to start a website and a community with the belief that young people in Ireland are too materialistic,can only realistically socialise in pubs and cause ninety per cent of violent crime, I would have lots of ageists joining the site, petitioning for an increase in the drinking age when what I'm really trying to highlight is our ultra-capitalist, self-indulgent culture.

heartwork93

Where the hell are you getting the opinion that I feel the white race is the master race? If you read The Decent Of Man by Charles Darwin you'll understand. There's no social study in the book, its pure science. Science thats accepted throughout the world, apart from the devout religious fools, and liberal liars like most of you. White nationalism is about preservation. As a National Socialist I oppose slavery, colonialism, Capitalism, Communism/Marxism, international trade, racism, sexism, ageism, abortion, multiculturalism and diversity.

Those who oppose nationalism are nothing but traitors to the Irish people. The pround men who fought for this nation are turning in their graves, to see their nation being turned into a multicultural cesspool like LA, Paris or London.

We pretty much lost our language as a result of immigration of British during the plantations. There are now more non-nationals in this country than there were British, we certainly have a culture more similar to the British than with the Africans or Eastern Europeans. How much more of our culture are we going to sacrifice? Sacrifice all in the name of 'humaitarianism'.....

nothing

Um, why do you oppose international trade?

Or multiculturalism?

Or diversity?

None of these things do any harm to our country, in fact I would think they help out economy, and strengten our own culture.

Your posts show a sad view of an obviously sheltered life.

Yes, you are right about us basically losing our language, that's why it's compulsary in schools, to help preserve it. Thats why the gaeltacht areas are so well protected by laws and government. We do not sacrafice our culture, we preserve it as best we can. In fact, here in NUIM we do it, we offer Irish as a degree subject. In my maths degree I have an option to take a moule in Irish. How is that sacraficing our culture?

People are people, no matter their colour and I don't see how that is even an issue to you. You say you're against racism and yet you say "white nationalism is about preservation". Why even say white? Aren't legal immigrants entitled to equal rights? What about all the 2nd generation, 3rd, or more, of immigrant families? Does thier right to being Irish not count?

nothing

heartwork93 wrote: »

Read this http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/african101facts1.html

If your such an Irish nationalist, then why are you quoting an American site? Where is the version as Gaeilge?

LoLth

Gentlemen (and possibly ladies).

I have no problems with debates and differences of opinions HOWEVER:
1. no more personal attacks , name calling etc
2. keep it clean
3. If anyone wants to make a point for or against racism/racialism(?)/sexism or ANY other ism then you either back it up with proof or you risk an instant ban.

I have my own views and opinions and will do my best to be impartial and not be disgusted and sickened by what I read but this will not escalate into a slagging match (though "yore ma" comments are always appreciated). There is a difference between debate/discussion and fight/insult.

I am not pointing this warning at anyone in particular.

On a side note: please remember that there is no such thing as a right to free speech on boards.ie . Moderators and admins do our best to ensure that this is as open and free a place as possible but there are limits and censorship is a given. Mods and admins also try to excercise this responsibility in as neutral and even handed a manner as possible. for example, if you post "LoLth is a git" or worse, then I wont delete out of hand but you better be able to back it up. However if you post an insult to some other boards.ie user then you will be edited. If you offend repeatedly you will be forum banned, then perma banned, then site temp ban then site perma ban then IP ban if necessary - it has been done.

Questions? Queries ? please feel free to PM or post in feedback.

thanks

LeixlipRed

heartwork93 wrote: »

As a National Socialist I oppose slavery, colonialism, Capitalism, Communism/Marxism, international trade, racism, sexism, ageism, abortion, multiculturalism and diversity.

What do you not oppose then? So Ireland should cut itself off from the international community and become a self-sufficient nation should it? What would we all eat exactly? Would you cull the herd as such to make it more manageable when the potato crop fails again? A few hundred thousand or so of the more "tanned looking fellas" and we'll be sustainable again? Look how well self-sufficiency worked in Fascist Italy or in Russia. ie it didn't work. And in a country with hardly any natural resources I can't see us bucking the trend. Be a man and admit that you hate other races. Stop hiding behind this cloak of "National Socialism". A term which is clearly associated with Nazism and the Holocaust. Though I'm sure you believe the Jews made it all up.

lordgoat

Seán Mac wrote: »

I accept that the language was more or less killed due to British plantations, but we must learn to stop whining and get on with it.

+1

Ostrom

Nothing gives you the right to demand forum for your opinions, no matter how relevant you may think they are. What you may expect when you get here is every opportunity to express your well researched, structured and presented ideas - through careful and extensive reading and citation.


As a National Socialist I oppose slavery, colonialism, Capitalism, Communism/Marxism, international trade, racism, sexism, ageism, abortion, multiculturalism and diversity.

A national socialist who opposes Communism and Marxism.... Almost as much a contradiction as a right wing sociologist, yet somehow you dont see it as such? Just to pick apart your argument for a moment (and your concepts), your beliefs are founded on a rejection of diversity and protection of native culture, and you call this socialism? This rests in part on a rejection of Marxism?

If you read The Decent Of Man by Charles Darwin you'll understand. There's no social study in the book, its pure science

One way of putting it I suppose, but Darwin's work was never intended as pure taxonomy or document of lineage, there is a social dynamic to all human development, intrinsically so. As with Marx (who himself was an apt student of the Works of Darwin), the basis of all social change was within the development and change of economic systems and modes of production. This is a dynamic social component of change, one intimately related to human development. Socialist thought emerged in part as a response to fundamentalist Darwinian ideas of human development as purely natural (as in lacking any social component).

We pretty much lost our language as a result of immigration of British during the plantations

Like all good 'martyrs for oul Ireland' I'm sure you are happy to gloss over the role of British landlords themselves, particularly in the pre-famine years for instituting change and reform in Irish society (Hill's land reformations in Donegal or the congested districts boards for example). Most of the lobbying to the Whig and Peel parliaments in the famine years came from landlords themselves calling for intervention. There certainly were far more bad than good, but I find it interesting that this is always ignored.


Dont get me wrong, I hate getting into stupid pedantic arguments over things like this, but I also resent the justification behind your citations. If you feel like writing back, please do; critique is the foundation of good academic writing.

Gileadi

After a quick read of the "100 reasons to hate black people" (atleast thats what it should be called) that includes such gems as the following

"FACT #28: Negroes have... given them considerablesuccess as sprinters, but have left them relative undistinguished as distancerunners. "

Scroll down to the all time 10,000m mens list and tell me how many white guys are there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-distance_track_event


I dont think i've seen anything as openly racist other than a "how to spot a terrorist" educational video i was shown before starting to work as a security guard in the states.


Also most of those stats about black people being less intelligent than whites is proven to be more down to their socio-economic backround than the size of their brains...

LeixlipRed

Gileadi wrote: »

After a quick read of the "100 reasons to hate black people" (atleast thats what it should be called) that includes such gems as the following

"FACT #28: Negroes have... given them considerablesuccess as sprinters, but have left them relative undistinguished as distancerunners. "

Scroll down to the all time 10,000m mens list and tell me how many white guys are there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-distance_track_event


I dont think i've seen anything as openly racist other than a "how to spot a terrorist" educational video i was shown before starting to work as a security guard in the states.


Also most of those stats about black people being less intelligent than whites is proven to be more down to their socio-economic backround than the size of their brains...

When I told you about this going to the match yesterday didn't think you'd be on to it that quick

Eric Cartman

i think im in the same year and share some lectures with the OP, i understand you like free speech and all man, also big up on the "che guevara deserved to...." tshirt, but i know your views and while i agree with a few of them, i really think you might want to keep it a little quieter around such a diverse campus

Pherekydes

heartwork93 wrote: »

As a National Socialist I oppose slavery, colonialism, Capitalism, Communism/Marxism, international trade, racism, sexism, ageism, abortion, multiculturalism and diversity.

No, the Nazis were pretty obviously pro slavery, colonialism, racism, sexism, ageism and abortion.

LeixlipRed

Eric Cartman wrote: »

i think im in the same year and share some lectures with the OP, i understand you like free speech and all man, also big up on the "che guevara deserved to...." tshirt, but i know your views and while i agree with a few of them, i really think you might want to keep it a little quieter around such a diverse campus

Care to share which particular views you share with the OP? I'm disgusted to think that someone who was brought up in the same town as me and has the intelligence to qualify to get into college could have even a slight leaning towards this racist crap.