Good man Eddie

thebaz

Super stuff Eddie , youv'e learnt your lesson from the WC , as typified by your wonderous game plan , and usage of the bench.

And when you close the door bring Trimble with you , hes no International centre !

I'd say Gatland will have a smirk for weeks , comparing the different treatments by the IRFU .

Sherifu

Very negative approach by Ireland. Looked like it might work for 20 minutes. No plan B. We nearly got away with it too.

simonrooneyzaga

what about kearney though? fantastic... my man of the match - luko did very well when he came on also, one nice break and one line that could have led to anything if fatty buckly hadnt left his big arse in the way!

Is O'Driscoll finished or should he move to flanker? Because all he does is tackle, tackle and turn over ball! Not like a few years ago when all he did was tackle, tackle, turn over ball and be a complete menace in every attacking aspect!

nacho libre

yes, it's almost as if the players have no confidence in him as evidenced by their play. He employed a cowardly game plan that backfired. It's clear he has learnt nothing from the World Cup.
Wales aren't a great side by any means but look at the strides they've made under Gatland and Edwards. The IRFU should break the bank to get Jake White. Ireland maybe never be world beaters but with a coach of that calibre he'll bring them on and they'll start to play with confidence again. Anything got to be better than this muck.

Sherifu

Kearney and Fitzgerald were forced on Eddie. We may never have seen them otherwise...

dc69

jake white has to come

Stev_o

dc69 wrote: »

jake white has to come

Hhahah why would he even want to be associated with us

what say what?

Stev_o wrote: »

Hhahah why would he even want to be associated with us

we could pay him in unoccupied properties built in the midlands - they're be worth f'all when the recession hits

dc69

Stev_o wrote: »

Hhahah why would he even want to be associated with us

why not?he has seen how good we were in 2006.most coaches like a challenge,its not like he is taking a job with fiji or something

bugler

I think there was a tendency to forget about the past 12 months just because we beat a woeful Scottish side and put up some sort of performance against an experimental France team featuring one of the worst props to ever be capped.

The fact is, nothing has changed. The backline never looked dangerous, and was hardly used. The gameplan was limited, it's execution poor.

This was a game between two very limited sides. Wales showed more adventure and potency (still not much) and deserved the win.

Bernard Jackman :eek: What a way to end your international career (I'm assuming Flannery will be fit next time out, which he may not.)

dc69

bugler wrote: »

Bernard Jackman :eek: What a way to end your international career (I'm assuming Flannery will be fit next time out, which he may not.)

what the hell did jackman do? we will end up sticking flannery in but in all honesty its just replacing crap with crap that can throw better.both are ****

athtrasna

simonrooneyzaga wrote: »

luko did very well when he came on also, one nice break and one line that could have led to anything if fatty buckly hadnt left his big arse in the way!

That's TOTALLY uncalled for. Buckley is a big guy but ffs if Fitzgerald looked where he was going he wouldn't have run in to his own man. The Welsh did the same thing in the first half.

On Jackman, he gifted Wales the 3 points that made our lads give up. Indiscipline like that is unacceptable if you've just come off the bench.

dc69

athtrasna wrote: »

simonrooneyzaga wrote: »

luko did very well when he came on also, one nice break and one line that could have led to anything if fatty buckly hadnt left his big arse in the way!QUOTE]


That's TOTALLY uncalled for. Buckley is a big guy but ffs if Fitzgerald looked where he was going he wouldn't have run in to his own man. The Welsh did the same thing in the first half.

how in gods name was it not called for.buckley should have moved long before fitz got the ball.Its not as if he had played the whole 80,he had just come on and it was lazyness.i still think he is a good player though

bugler

what the hell did jackman do? we will end up sticking flannery in but in all honesty its just replacing crap with crap that can throw better.both are ****

You'd have to see it to appreciate the idiocy of it. And both are very good hookers. You don't half like a bit of sensationalism, do you? You're not Neil Francis, I hope.

athtrasna

I was referring to the "Fatty Buckley" name calling!

NotWormBoy

bugler wrote: »

You don't half like a bit of sensationalism, do you?

After reading some of the stuff about dropping players for life and never letting them back in the green jersey, I think many people on here love a bit of sensationalism.

Yes, O'Sullivan has to go, yes, O'Driscoll isn't playing well this year, yes, Jackman had a rush of blood to the head... but have a bit of perspective. Its been a bad few months with the WC and now a disappointing (at best) 6N. But no one deserves to be unequivocally dropped and never given a look in again just for a single bad game or 6N campaign. Just look at Tommy Bowe. When he started out in green, he didn't do well and was dropped, and this year we were all clamouring for him to come back. Players can go back into form as well as out of it.

Amz

athtrasna wrote: »

On Jackman, he gifted Wales the 3 points that made our lads give up. Indiscipline like that is unacceptable if you've just come off the bench.

You seriously think that the loss of a stupid 3 points should be a legitimate reason to give up?

You NEVER give up, you play for the ENTIRE 80 minutes whether you're ahead by twenty points or down by 6.

Disappointed again in Trimble, someone needs to teach the boy how to tackle.

Was very impressed with Kearney and delighted he did so well. O'Connell also seemed to be back on form for most of the game anyway. He never took the foot off the gas and got stuck in all over the place.

davyjose

athtrasna wrote: »

On Jackman, he gifted Wales the 3 points that made our lads give up. Indiscipline like that is unacceptable if you've just come off the bench.

You were laying into Jackman 2 weeks ago as well. He was one of many sh!te players today. Give him a break.

Does anyone have a link to Eddie's post match interview?

pfkf1

Absolutely Awful from Ireland, Eddie its been fun, but its over, and you can bring Trimble with you, the back line was inept, time for a complete change. the forwards were one dimensional, we didn't use the backline, we kicked every time. Pathetic.

bugler

No one has issue with Jackman's performance, such as it was. But that penalty was needless and a total brainfart. He can have no complaints over the criticism he will receive for it.

Due to his age and comparative lack of experience I think he's destined to go back to the periphery.

athtrasna

davyjose wrote: »

You were laying into Jackman 2 weeks ago as well. He was one of many sh!te players today. Give him a break.

Yes I was but that was due to his throwing into the lineout that could have cost us dearly in that game. The lineout today with Best at the helm was a completely different set piece and we were strong on our own ball. Same cannot be said of the lineout with Jackman at 2 against Scotland which is why I attacked him then.

Today I am angry at his outright stupidity in gifting the Welsh three potentially decisive points.

[Jackass]

In fairness to Eddie, it's time to do the honourable thing and step down at the end of the 6 nations.

Leave with some dignity and the respect of the fans. He had his time to get things together, but after a woeful world cup and a 6 nations that has seen us go backwards, it's time to leave.

Like somebody said, Kearney and Fitzgerald were forced into the team and squad and it took Reddan years to get in, he's stuck with the same first 15 for 5 years and he's run out of ideas.

Selection policy is appuling and was shown by our complete lack of depth in the squad in the world cup that our first 15 had to play every game to make sure we scraped past the minnows and avoided complete humiliation against the big guns...game plan is absent.

If you leave now Eddie it'll be on good terms, we had good years and he gave it his best shot. To leave it any longer than one season too many is unacceptable and he'll leave to hostile memorys.

bugler

Leave with some dignity and the respect of the fans.

You must be joking. Coaches don't leave for anything but money.

simonrooneyzaga

my backline for the next match assuming everyone bar d'arcy is fit.

15. Kearney, Has to, played incredibly well - his best position
14. Horgan - good solid comeback
13. O'Driscoll - give him a bit more time before we shift luko in there
12. Trimble - no other option
11. Luke Fitz - injected real pace into the game when he came on
10. Rog
9. Reddan

Pack the same... Stringer, Wallace, murphy (this will obviously be controvesial but i feel kearney adds more of a threat) on the bench as back subs - dempsey gone completely - if eddie picks him for england, its a complete farce.

simonrooneyzaga

athtrasna wrote: »

I was referring to the "Fatty Buckley" name calling!

cant u take a joke! your either a munster or a newbridge man through and through!

btw.. i do think hes a good player, just gets annoying when the munster grunt get in the way of the leinster goys flair and guile..

athtrasna

simonrooneyzaga wrote: »

my backline for the next match assuming everyone bar d'arcy is fit.

15. Kearney, Has to, played incredibly well - his best position
14. Horgan - good solid comeback
13. O'Driscoll - give him a bit more time before we shift luko in there
12. Trimble - no other option
11. Luke Fitz - injected real pace into the game when he came on
10. Rog
9. Reddan

Pack the same... Stringer, Wallace, murphy (this will obviously be controvesial but i feel kearney adds more of a threat) on the bench as back subs - dempsey gone completely - if eddie picks him for england, its a complete farce.

O'Driscoll is out with a torn hamstring! Plus how can you leave out Bowe, he had a better game today than most of the backs, Kearney aside!

athtrasna

simonrooneyzaga wrote: »

cant u take a joke! your either a munster or a newbridge man through and through!

btw.. i do think hes a good player, just gets annoying when the munster grunt get in the way of the leinster goys flair and guile..

I can take a joke but I've known Tony for many years and he's been slagged about his size from day 1!

PS Love the assumption that I'm a man. Can a woman not know and love rugby? Can a woman not get her letter published as "letter of the month" in Rugby World, a magazine they've subscribed to for a decade. Not saying I am a woman, just laughing at your comment!

Sundy

athtrasna wrote: »

O'Driscoll is out with a torn hamstring! Plus how can you leave out Bowe, he had a better game today than most of the backs, Kearney aside!

Dont think bowe was that good today. Him and trimble combined awfully to let wales in for their try, the pair of them stood back and let wales run right through them.
Kearny was excellent, nobody else really caught the eye. But yes its time to go eddie

finlma

athtrasna wrote: »

O'Driscoll is out with a torn hamstring!

No loss anyway. He hasn't made a line break in about a year for Ireland and his kicking out of hand, which he seems to do incessantly these days, is atrocious.

Trimble should be dropped - what a pathetic effort to tackle Williams.

The Irish performance today was like watching a match in the 80s where we stuck it up the jumpers and hoped to win by kicking a few penalties - painful.

I remember a few years ago when New Zealand hammered us but we tried to play running rugby and Eddie said we had to be patient. Where was the running rugby today - it was a total embarrassment. Our patience is long since gone - pack your bags and get lost Eddie, you're ineptness is no longer called for.

finlma

Sundy wrote: »

Dont think bowe was that good today. Him and trimble combined awfully to let wales in for their try, the pair of them stood back and let wales run right through them.

You don't know too much about defending in rugby if you're blaming Bowe. His job was to track the man on the wing and force him to the line. Trimble was 100% to blame for the missed tackle - no one else.

davyjose

athtrasna wrote: »

Today I am angry at his outright stupidity in gifting the Welsh three potentially decisive points.

Well you seem to be reserving a disproportionate level of vile towards the man. How can you blame a guy who got 10 minutes on the loss? That's just silly.

simonrooneyzaga

athtrasna wrote: »

O'Driscoll is out with a torn hamstring! Plus how can you leave out Bowe, he had a better game today than most of the backs, Kearney aside!

****e... please dont tell me that means paddy wallace will be playing... ahhh

in that case i would move horgan to 1st, trimble to second and have luke and bowe on the wings with kearney full back.

dc69

athtrasna wrote: »

I can take a joke but I've known Tony for many years and he's been slagged about his size from day 1!

tell Big Tony hes a legend,regarless of getting in the way

Sundy

finlma wrote: »

You don't know too much about defending in rugby if you're blaming Bowe. His job was to track the man on the wing and force him to the line. Trimble was 100% to blame for the missed tackle - no one else.

Yeah thats it chap jump to a conclusion there.. I cant really remember the try that well, i only saw it live at the game and it looked like to me that Bowe looked a bit headless too. Il watch it again though on youtube or something

simonrooneyzaga

athtrasna wrote: »

I can take a joke but I've known Tony for many years and he's been slagged about his size from day 1!

PS Love the assumption that I'm a man. Can a woman not know and love rugby? Can a woman not get her letter published as "letter of the month" in Rugby World, a magazine they've subscribed to for a decade. Not saying I am a woman, just laughing at your comment!

in reality his size is nothing to be ashamed of!! he's 18 stone of pure muscle!

i thought that the term 'an x man', where x = the team you support would be a non gender thing that applied to both men and women!

I congratulate you on your letter of the month and applaud Rugby World Magazines equal opportunities approach towards the letter page in general.

dc69

simonrooneyzaga wrote: »

he's 18 stone of pure muscle!

come on:D

Chucky the tree

athtrasna wrote: »

Can a woman not know and love rugby? Can a woman not get her letter published as "letter of the month" in Rugby World, a magazine they've subscribed to for a decade.

No.

Stev_o

Right im going say it i know it wont be popular at all but. I think Paddy should be given a shot at IC i dont think it ll do any harm he sound defensively and has good hands and good eye for broken play.

RugBeir

Dont forget Geordan Dempsey was MOM last time out! Kearney looks pedestrian compared to him. He did a few charges up field, alright, but didnt inspire overall and IMO far too early to call his true ability. Actually think Luke Fitzgerald showed more potential than Kearney for the few minutes he was on. To be fair, however, we cant measure these players in the light of the negative game plan they are forced to play. Until we get a new management approach our players will continue to underperfom.

Stev_o

RugBeir wrote: »

Dont forget Geordan Dempsey was MOM last time out! Kearney looks pedestrian compared to him. He did a few charges up field, alright, but didnt inspire overall and IMO far too early to call his true ability. Actually think Luke Fitzgerald showed more potential than Kearney for the few minutes he was on. To be fair, however, we cant measure these players in the light of the negative game plan they are forced to play. Until we get a new management approach our players will continue to underperfom.

Well the bright side was that Kearney was a good strike player at FB. Murphy is a playmaker at 15 he wont score himself but will set other people up. I wouldnt mind Kearney going on the wing instead of Horgan and having Murphy at 15

simonrooneyzaga

whose geordan dempsey? that was a ridiculous comment in general..

Sherifu

simonrooneyzaga wrote: »

whose geordan dempsey?

He's our new hybrid 'project'. He can defend and attack.

bluefinger

just got in from work. had asked missus bluefinger to record the game. didn't work. therefore had to get the result secondhand. can't believe o'sullivan didn't retire directly after the match. what a money hungry swine. been watching the decline of the team over the past two years and have to say that this man does not deserve to represent his country by managing the most talented rugby team ever to play in the green. what really bugs me though is the thought that someday he may be regarded as the manager of the team during one of its most fecund periods. the guy is a disaster. to only have won a couple of triple crowns with these players is unforgivable. he has single handedly demoralised the the players and i will be happy to see him go, after next weeks match if he's got any class at all. :mad:

jake white expressed an interest in managing ireland after the WC. Hope he's still interested. :mad:

Pemba

We need to put our faith in the younger players. Kearney gave an excellent account of himself in tough conditions for any FB and with game-time and experience his confidence will only grow. The management selection policy is flawed in the sense that it fails to breed a competitive environment within the squad. It was another performance filled with a fear of failure. This fear stifles the initiative that is so important in creating line breaks and scores.

hardCopy

I thought the most disappointing thing about today's match was the fact that Eddie showed absolutely no faith in the new back line.

It's terrible to see a guy like Rob Kearney who seemed to be our most threatening player having to go looking for the ball when he should have been given ball to run on to.

Eddie showed no adaptibility and refused to tweek his gameplan.

Shan75

I think it's gas calling for Trimble to be dropped because he missed a tackle and it was a shocking attempt by him.Have we forgotten all the tackles he made in the last two games and that he was one of the better players against Scotland along with Kearney and O'Gara even though the inferior Murphy was scandalously given MOTM.Kearney again today did pretty well although you can still see his inexperience but the best way to solve this is to keep playing him at 15.Needless to say EOS won't do that.Eddie admitted in the post match interview that it was his plan to play negatively as he was afraid of the Welsh(not in those exact words of course).What kind of a message does that send to his own players that he doesn't trust them to play rugby.He needs to be got rid of straight after the England game whether we win or lose.We are now moving backwards in terms of ideas and gameplans.We have some decent players coming through the ranks but that won't matter as long as Eddie is in charge.

midsomermurdere

I really think that we should beg and plead with Jake White to come in. It's time we started trying new players alla lievremont.

Sundy

midsomermurdere wrote: »

I really think that we should beg and plead with Jake White to come in. It's time we started trying new players alla lievremont.

What new players?

Imhof Tank

midsomermurdere wrote: »

I really think that we should beg and plead with Jake White to come in. It's time we started trying new players alla lievremont.

Thats all well and good if we are prepared to ship 50 point + defeats while we experiment.

Its embarrassing how far Eddie seems to have fallen behind in terms of how to prepare a team. You look at the pace into the collissions of Shanklin, Henson, M Williams, Ryan Jones - often from standing starts - we showed none of that

remus808

Sundy wrote: »

What new players?

Donnacha Ryan, Jonathon Sexton, Ryan Caldwell, Luke Fitz, Cian Healy, Niall O'Connor, Chris Keane, Keith Earls, Shane Jennings etc. etc.