Roebuck Stabbing!

HoldOnTight

Has anyone heard anything about the alleged stabbing incident that occured outside one of the blocks at Roebuck Hall? I've heard several rumors both yesterday and today but the stories seem to vary. I assume if this is for real it would have been reported in the papers...

Riamfada

Ambulance and Garda outside the library yesterday. RAs have said nothing if something happened

BlackMamba

Heard sirens around one night during the week. Which night was it meant to have happened??

HoldOnTight

Wednesday I think...

RandolphEsq

I heard the stabbing was an accident. There was a girl heard to be said "Put it away"; presumably she was talking about a knife. Blah blah blah messing etc. *BAM* stabbed

HoldOnTight

Yeah that was one of the versions I heard. There seemingly was a heated argument between two drunk chaps and then one of them went looking for a knife and came back to try to scare him away with it...things got out of hand...stabbed!

Riamfada

If that is true UCD has really gone to shit. Kinves on campus being pulled out to "scare" someone. Im sure *if its true* it looks like

1) drunken fight
2) guy goes to get knife
3) guy gets stabbed
4) sorry it was an accident
5) but you went and got the knife and came back to the fight with a knife
6) yeah but not to stab the fella
7) sounds premeditated to me

will comment more when facts come out

remus808

Yeah thats the version I heard.. wed afternoon, drunken argument outside roebuck.. guys goes up to his apartment to get a knife, stabs guy twice in the side from behind.. apparently he is in stable condition thank god, very serious wounds though.

****ing disgraceful. Scum.

Mushy

My roommate saw it happen. I was woken up by it, thinking it was just drunken people coming home. How wrong was I? Cant believe none of the residents have been officially told.

HoldOnTight

^^^ Agreed! I can't believe that the RAs have mentioned nothing about it!

Was there any mention of it in any of the school papers?

Riamfada

Im sure something will pop up but with such a serious incident there are all the legalities of actually reporting real news for the papers so you'll be looking at withholding names and police statements and not just hearsay.


Disgraceful that people like this got anyway near entering UCD and if not jailed at last expelled from the system accident or not.

G

Dave!

Grimes wrote: »

Disgraceful that people like this got anyway near entering UCD and if not jailed at last expelled from the system accident or not.

G

Not sure how it could be prevented

I hope the person in question recovers

The_Minister

/Mod-hat on
You've all been good so far, but I'm just reminding you all not to name anybody etc.
Thanks
/Mod-hat off


This is sad if its true, especially if its student-on-student violence.

Jonny Arson

anyone know what has happened to the c*nt responsible for this? have they been charged, locked up, booted out of res???

hope the victim recovers

Dave!

It hasn't been reported in the national media has it? Woulda thought they'd jump all over it....

Jonny Arson

DaveMcG wrote: »

It hasn't been reported in the national media has it? Woulda thought they'd jump all over it....

probably because it was a supposed accidental/drunken stabbing

or if you're really cynical about the media because it didn't happen in somewhere like Ballymun or Finglas

i'll go with a bit of both

scop

Now thats a bit out of the blue, but I don't think it means UCD has gone to **** so much as these things simply happen randomly from time to time. The stabber may very well be a smart, usually nice guy who pushed his drinking too far making the biggest mistake of his life.

mloc

scop wrote: »

The stabber may very well be a smart, usually nice guy who pushed his drinking too far making the biggest mistake of his life.

That's funny, I've been stinking drunk to the stage of unconsciousness a few times in my life, pissed off and never really thought of stabbing anyone.

It's never the drink. Don't blame drink. It goes without saying that he/she should be expelled and quite obviously arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. They could probably go for attempted murder if it was shown that he went to get the knife with the intention of using it. And damn right they should.

Sangre

Jonny Arson wrote: »

or if you're really cynical about the media because it didn't happen in somewhere like Ballymun or Finglas

yeah, the media really hate reporting on the crimes of the middle/upper middle classes. that hardly ever gets any air time.

scop

mloc wrote: »

That's funny, I've been stinking drunk to the stage of unconsciousness a few times in my life, pissed off and never really thought of stabbing anyone.

It's never the drink. Don't blame drink. It goes without saying that he/she should be expelled and quite obviously arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. They could probably go for attempted murder if it was shown that he went to get the knife with the intention of using it. And damn right they should.

Oh, I'm not trying to excuse it. If this happened he did it and thats that. I'm just saying it'll probably turn out that he got into one of those heated drunken arguments and in a flash of madness did something like this. I don't think it makes a difference to the punishment deserved or anything.

Raphael

scop wrote: »

Oh, I'm not trying to excuse it. If this happened he did it and thats that. I'm just saying it'll probably turn out that he got into one of those heated drunken arguments and in a flash of madness did something like this. I don't think it makes a difference to the punishment deserved or anything.

Stabbing a someone in a flash of madness - plausible.
Going up to ones apartment via stairs or lift, unlocking and opening the door, retreiving a knife, going back downstairs and stabbing someone in the back twice in a flash of madness? - ever so slightly less plausible.

analyse this

Supposedly the guy hasnt been seen since wednesday night. No one knows where he is!

Stabshauptmann

well Id imagine he's gone home to his family, I know I would

muboop1

on eng day(dont know exact date but few weeks back anyway) a guy tried to stab me... wondr if its same guy...

i was hammered in student bar as you do if ur an engineer on eng day, mates who were a couple had massive row, walked the lad to clonskee exit to get taxi, on way back passing the sports centre, i got milled to ground, managed to turn into a roll back up, and saw a blade swing at my chest... managed to turn it, hit him to ground kick him then run for life, scared **** out of me! guy almost got me! totaly unprovoked, didnt know who it was, no robbery or anything, he never even spoke, jus swung at me!

wonder if was same guy, he was never caught...

fillefatale

Apparently the residents of Roebuck were told to keep it quiet.

Tom65

fillefatale wrote: »

Apparently the residents of Roebuck were told to keep it quiet.

A fine job they're doing, may I say. Though really, if there's been a stabbing on campus, those who have to study there should be entitled to know.

princess-sprkle

fillefatale wrote: »

Apparently the residents of Roebuck were told to keep it quiet.

I could imagine. What would it do to the Brady PR machine?!

Cantab.

fillefatale wrote: »

Apparently the residents of Roebuck were told to keep it quiet.

Heaven forbid UCD would find its way into the national press...

The_Minister

fillefatale wrote: »

Apparently the residents of Roebuck were told to keep it quiet.

How did you hear that? If its true then that is disgraceful, we are all adults, and old enough to know about these things.

Mushy

fillefatale wrote: »

Apparently the residents of Roebuck were told to keep it quiet.

We werent told to keep it quiet, just never told about the incident in the first place.

papajimsmooth

I have heard that the victim isnt pressing any charges

BlackMamba

fillefatale wrote: »

Apparently the residents of Roebuck were told to keep it quiet.

They certainly are doing a great job of keeping it on the QT. I've asked some friends on campus if they heard about it....they thought I was lying!:eek:
And they live in Merville, surely some news might have leaked over?
God forbid it gets into national news, it will tarnish the oh-so-shiny UCD crown!:rolleyes:

The_Minister

Some of the media hacks from the Observor and The Tribune read this board, so maybe they will investigate *nudge, nudge*

HoldOnTight

fillefatale wrote: »

Apparently the residents of Roebuck were told to keep it quiet.

We have been told of no such thing. We are as much in the dark as the rest of ye are! I think its pretty poor on the RA's and administration's behalf that not even the Roebuck residents have been notified, let alone the university as a whole. I am reasonably friendly with one of the attacker's roommates and he had heard of nothing of it until Friday morning when I told him! I think that that is disgraceful!; not even warning the roommates of such an incident! I don't want to blow this out of proportion till we get some concrete facts but considering their safety could be in danger, they should at least be allowed to know whats going on.

Red Alert

fillefatale wrote: »

Apparently the residents of Roebuck were told to keep it quiet.

If an RA ordered me to stay quiet I'd ask him what legal or other authority he had to do that, before I'd ring Joe Duffy or similar. I wonder if RTE know about it?

Tayto2000

I think the RAs or anyone else in UCD with a nanogram of sense would know that trying to tell people to be quiet about something will have exactly the opposite effect...

This thread has got to 2 pages on speculation and second or third hand accounts. Anyone directly involved clearly isn't talking... Full story will come out eventually I'm sure, but might take a while...

Mushy

Haha, walk into my apartment yesterday, still no notice about the incident. But there was a new notice: Don't open the windows due to the high winds!

I just find this unbelievable by now. Dont know what to think anymore.

Bui

They like to keep these things very hush-hush around here - bad publicity, simple as. Someone killed themselves in glenomena last year, and not only did they keep the whole thing very quiet, but the RA who dealt with the whole thing (found the body, called emergency services, parents etc etc) was not given a position as RA the following year when they applied for it despite a fantastic performance given the situation.

Still, publicity aside, I think the issue of personal safety here is of great concern - regardless of the circumstances, names do not necessarily need to be mentioned but residents of at least that particular res should have been notified. Also more to the point, the perpetrator should be punished and publicly so. Again, a similar incident occurred earlier this year in merville just inside the drive-in entrance, where a girl was attacked and assaulted one Thursday night, police were up and everything but no public notice was made for the Residents to be on alert, especially for females walking alone at night around an area they may otherwise presume to be safe; living in glenomena, I was instead warned by a male friend. Students here do not seem to take priority.

Bluefox21

can't really blame ucd.... I mean they're pumping huge amounts of money into security.... who as far as I can see do nothing and im tempted to believe the rumours that some are actually involved in the bike stealing that averages something ridiculous a day..... The victim isn't pressing charges and all reports say he fell on a piece of glass... its not the ra who's staying quiet its the students. Half of first year know exactly what happens and most know who did it..... il say no more... but blame security or the students not the ra or ucd who can't do anything except post a warning about being careful not to "fall" on a piece of glass.

Red Alert

As far as I know the gardai can investigate a possible criminal offence and prosecute the individual believed to be responsible once they become aware of it. Presumably anybody who saw it or had reason to believe it happened could report it.

mloc

Is assault with a deadly weapon not an offense against the state? Surely if its a criminal offense there doesn't need to be charges pressed?

Sangre

No but its certainly preferable to have the consent of the victim, especially if they're the only witness. Although the state will often ignore it e.g. domestic violence.

HoldOnTight

Sangre wrote: »

No but its certainly preferable to have the consent of the victim, especially if they're the only witness. Although the state will often ignore it e.g. domestic violence.

He was not the only witness, there were at least two girls who witnessed it!

And no, it was not a piece of glass it was a knife...i've spoken to the girls about it and they confirmed the story.

HoldOnTight

Bluefox21 wrote: »

can't really blame ucd.... I mean they're pumping huge amounts of money into security.... who as far as I can see do nothing and im tempted to believe the rumours that some are actually involved in the bike stealing that averages something ridiculous a day..... The victim isn't pressing charges and all reports say he fell on a piece of glass... its not the ra who's staying quiet its the students. Half of first year know exactly what happens and most know who did it..... il say no more... but blame security or the students not the ra or ucd who can't do anything except post a warning about being careful not to "fall" on a piece of glass.

What reports?...nothing on this thread anyway.

boardian

Bui wrote: »

Again, a similar incident occurred earlier this year in merville just inside the drive-in entrance, where a girl was attacked and assaulted one Thursday night.

:eek: what??! we really should have been told about that. i walk that most nights, i always thought campus was a safe enough place - obviously not.

Tayto2000

Unless victims press charges, both incidents may as well never have happened as far as the Gardai are concerned... It's very hard to convict with non co-operative victims... Even if there are other witnesses the case will often be deemed not strong enough to bring to court.

In domestic violence cases there's usually a pattern that can be referred to for prosecution without the victim. UCD incidents are almost always one-offs, luckily...

Tbh, given the number of people on campus, I'm surprised we've gone this long without some sort of serious incident anyway.

Stabshauptmann

Bui wrote: »

They like to keep these things very hush-hush around here - bad publicity, simple as. Someone killed themselves in glenomena last year, and not only did they keep the whole thing very quiet, but the RA who dealt with the whole thing (found the body, called emergency services, parents etc etc) was not given a position as RA the following year when they applied for it despite a fantastic performance given the situation.

Still, publicity aside, I think the issue of personal safety here is of great concern - regardless of the circumstances, names do not necessarily need to be mentioned but residents of at least that particular res should have been notified. Also more to the point, the perpetrator should be punished and publicly so. Again, a similar incident occurred earlier this year in merville just inside the drive-in entrance, where a girl was attacked and assaulted one Thursday night, police were up and everything but no public notice was made for the Residents to be on alert, especially for females walking alone at night around an area they may otherwise presume to be safe; living in glenomena, I was instead warned by a male friend. Students here do not seem to take priority.

You were oblivious to the whole Please Talk campaign then.

opinionated

Kaptain Redeye wrote: »

You were oblivious to the whole Please Talk campaign then.

Link

EamonnKeane

mloc wrote: »

Is assault with a deadly weapon not an offense against the state?

I hope you're not doing Law. Sticking a knife into a person is an offence against the person, I should imagine.

Red Alert

Do you think we should draw RTE or 98FM's attention to this thread? A stabbing and a possible cover up is likely to whet their appetite.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

EamonnKeane wrote: »

I hope you're not doing Law. Sticking a knife into a person is an offence against the person, I should imagine.

No, like all criminal activity, it is an offence against the state, as in, it is up to the state to press criminal charges.