The Oceanic 6

So this season we are introduced to the Oceanic 6.

The confirmed ones are Sayid, Kate, Jack, and Hurley with Aaron being a possible 5th

Yunjin Kim (Sun): "Is Aaron actually one of the Oceanic 6?"
Cuse: We're not officially saying yet. We want the audience to engage in an active debate about who the Oceanic 6 are.
Lindelof: Following [Sayid's] episode, we got several inquiries we weren't anticipating about, 'Is Ben a member of the Oceanic 6?' He could've assumed the identity of somebody on the plane [with] no surviving family members. Who the actual six are is very much in play through the end of the [March 13th] episode. We'll confirm or deny after that.

Source: tvguide.com

Was anyone else confirmed as the "6" and if not, who do people think will be off the island?

Killaqueen!!!

I'm pretty sure Ben isn't one of the Oceanic 6. He wasn't on the plane, obviously, but as the interview says he could have assumed the identity of someone on the plane. He seemed very much underground though in Sayid's episode, plus I'm guessing the writers are going to want to get as many characters off the island, hence adding Ben and Aaron to the flashforwards.

I don't think Aaron would be counted as an Oceanic 6. In Kate's flashforward he's a young kid, but when they first got off the island he'd still be a baby and technically was not on flight 815 so he probably won't be counted.

So Oceanic 6: Jack. Kate. Hurley. Sayid.

...and my guesses are Sawyer (almost definitely) and one other...perhaps Juliet.

Someone had a good theory that when Des turned the failsafe key, everyone was affected by the electronegativity, and so only those who were far away from the hatch could leave the island. Good theory and in that case, Jin/Sun could be an option but I think they'll be killed off. Not much use for them tbh.

Leeby

Jack
Kate
Sayid
Hurley
Jin
Sawyer

cooker3

Killaqueen!!! wrote: »

Someone had a good theory that when Des turned the failsafe key, everyone was affected by the electronegativity, and so only those who were far away from the hatch could leave the island. Good theory and in that case, Jin/Sun could be an option but I think they'll be killed off. Not much use for them tbh.

Actually I'd be confident that Jin/Sun (1 or both) are part of the 6 for a few reasons. 1) So far the 4 absolute definates, that being Hurley, Jack, Kate and Sayed basically had no backstory left to tell so being part of the 6 allows them to have flashforwards which are actually interesting unlike another tiresome backstory. Jin and Sun are the same, their last centric episode really seemed to tie up everything for them and I don't see where else they could delve into their history(and their history wasn't particulary interesting imo).

(Btw I know your not going to read next bit as you said you don't read spoilers but what can I do, and I basically are just saying an episode title and something said in latest podcast by Darlton)

The upcoming episode that being episode 7 is titled Ji Yeon which sounds korean to me and leads to believe is a Jin/Sun episode. Darlton said in podcast that we will know the 6 after episode 7 which makes me think this shall be a flashforward for either or Jin/Sun

lostexpectation

they both seem to have a connection to the corporations interested in the island

doonothing

What makes anyone think Sawyer will get off the island? Out of curiosity...

Leeby

cooker3 wrote: »

Actually I'd be confident that Jin/Sun (1 or both) are part of the 6 for a few reasons. 1) So far the 4 absolute definates, that being Hurley, Jack, Kate and Sayed basically had no backstory left to tell so being part of the 6 allows them to have flashforwards which are actually interesting unlike another tiresome backstory. Jin and Sun are the same, their last centric episode really seemed to tie up everything for them and I don't see where else they could delve into their history(and their history wasn't particulary interesting imo).

(Btw I know your not going to read next bit as you said you don't read spoilers but what can I do, and I basically are just saying an episode title and something said in latest podcast by Darlton)

The upcoming episode that being episode 7 is titled Ji Yeon which sounds korean to me and leads to believe is a Jin/Sun episode. Darlton said in podcast that we will know the 6 after episode 7 which makes me think this shall be a flashforward for either or Jin/Sun

I'd say Jin is one of the six but not Sun (I reckon she'll die due to the pregnancy) and when they do have a Jin flash forward he'll be in America, speaking English and bein a badass of some sort. That's what I'm hoping for anyway.

ArmaniJeanss

cooker3 wrote: »

Jin and Sun are the same, their last centric episode really seemed to tie up everything for them and I don't see where else they could delve into their history(and their history wasn't particulary interesting imo).

I'd agree that their history wasn't hugely interesting, but I thought there was still a fairly big question mark existing in their backstory... who exactly threw her-bit-on-the side out of the 30th floor window onto the bonnet of Jin's car?

I'm 100% guessing here, but I've always felt that her mega-rich Pappa would have a part to play in the overall story.

Sad Professor

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

who exactly threw her-bit-on-the side out of the 30th floor window onto the bonnet of Jin's car?

I'm pretty sure he committed suicide.

cooker3

Sad Professor wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he committed suicide.

Yeah they said that in the podcast. It was never meant to be an open question

ArmaniJeanss

Sad Professor wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he committed suicide.

Fair enough, that never occured to me.

Axwell

I dont get why people are thinking Sawyer is one of the Oceanic 6 when he made it pretty clear in the previous episodes he had no interest in leaving the island as he had nothing to go back to.

doonothing

Yeah, exactly... Seems like some wishful thinking

By god after that phone call, Des better make it off the island!

cooker3

Axwell wrote: »

I dont get why people are thinking Sawyer is one of the Oceanic 6 when he made it pretty clear in the previous episodes he had no interest in leaving the island as he had nothing to go back to.

Because people can't see him being killed off I assume

Axwell

cooker3 wrote: »

Because people can't see him being killed off I assume

What makes you think he would have to get killed off. From watching the show it seems the 6 make it off the island but leave the rest behind them, not by choice possibly. If this is the case then characters such as Sawyer wouldnt get killed off.

Leeby

Axwell wrote: »

I dont get why people are thinking Sawyer is one of the Oceanic 6 when he made it pretty clear in the previous episodes he had no interest in leaving the island as he had nothing to go back to.

Yeah but maybe they're just doing their very best to make it seem like he's not one of them, like maybe by the end of the season we'll only have five plus Aaron and so decide that Aarons the sixth because Sawyers still all about staying on the island, but then at the end of the season they could have a big reveal that Sawyers actually the sixth.

Just because he doesn't want to leave the island now doesn't mean he can't change his mind. Maybe because he goes after Kate or something. Hurley also wants to stay on the island but we know he gets off, and that he's sorry for going with Locke, so maybe Sawyer is the same.

6th

Did we note see a flash forward last season of Jack & Kate at a funeral and it was suggested it was Sawyer? Maybe I'm wrong.

I saw he comes back in a body bag.

Bubs101

doonothing wrote: »

What makes anyone think Sawyer will get off the island? Out of curiosity...

I would have thought that he would have made it off as presumably the show will focus on the ones who aren't on the island anymore and even if it's not in the next series or 2 I think Sawyer is far to valuable and popular if he wasn't on screen. If it weren't for him I would have stopped watching

doonothing

I can't imagine he'll be killed off, just because he's on the island doesnt mean he wont be in the show y'know?
Then again, if they can kill off Charlie, I wouldnt say anyone's that safe.

User45701

Axwell wrote: »

I dont get why people are thinking Sawyer is one of the Oceanic 6 when he made it pretty clear in the previous episodes he had no interest in leaving the island as he had nothing to go back to.

Well i only choose soyer because it would have to be comeone who people did not like or someone who has or will do something very wrong. A few people suggest michael but i dont think so. I thought that it was soyer because it explain Kate being there and Jack would have gone to see who else shows up - he did not want to take the chance he would be the only one who didnt?

I cant think of anyone on the island whoes grave noone would visit, unless it was Locke's because you can see things going that way

Axwell

User45701 wrote: »

Well i only choose soyer because it would have to be comeone who people did not like or someone who has or will do something very wrong. A few people suggest michael but i dont think so. I thought that it was soyer because it explain Kate being there and Jack would have gone to see who else shows up - he did not want to take the chance he would be the only one who didnt?

I cant think of anyone on the island whoes grave noone would visit, unless it was Locke's because you can see things going that way

Firstly if you are going to post please try and use English as the choice of language with appropriate spelling as reading your post is just a nightmare to try and understand.

Your post is a bit confusing but I think you are talking about the coffin although for some reason you call it a grave?You say you thought it was Sawyer because of Kate being there? Kate didnt go to see the coffin (grave), Jack was the only one who was at the coffin (grave) he called Kate later and got her to meet him and then said that they had to go back.

User45701

Axwell wrote: »

Firstly if you are going to post please try and use English as the choice of language with appropriate spelling as reading your post is just a nightmare to try and understand.

Your post is a bit confusing but I think you are talking about the coffin although for some reason you call it a grave?You say you thought it was Sawyer because of Kate being there? Kate didnt go to see the coffin (grave), Jack was the only one who was at the coffin (grave) he called Kate later and got her to meet him and then said that they had to go back.

It was probbaly the me getting my facts wrong about what had happened more than the spelling which made thing shard to understand, i mean there are not that many mistakes.

cheers for clearing up my misconceptions about the last episode.

rgiller

It seems like everyone's talking about the 4 characters who we definitely know to be part of the Oceanic 6, but aren't 5 already decided?

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayed
Aaron

There's also the person in the coffin, who is the 6th. The only change I can see there being to that list of 5 is if that kid Aaron is actually Kate's baby, whom she named Aaron because the real Aaron died. Maybe the kid is hers and Sawyer's, and it was Sawyer in the coffin (he might have died a few years after making it off the island). That would explain why Jack wouldn't want to go see Kate at home with Sawyer's kid...

I think the 6th person is Des and the 5th is Aaron or Sawyer

Sad Professor

rgiller wrote: »

I think the 6th person is Des and the 5th is Aaron or Sawyer

Can't be Des, he wasn't on the plane. It's still possible he got off though, he just can't be one of the O6.

doonothing

Ooo, the O6, I like that!
What I wonder about is Jack's story about Kate having tried to save two who died, that will DEFINITELY be close to the truth of how they got off the island...

Sinfonia

rgiller wrote: »

It seems like everyone's talking about the 4 characters who we definitely know to be part of the Oceanic 6, but aren't 5 already decided?

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayed
Aaron

There's also the person in the coffin, who is the 6th. The only change I can see there being to that list of 5 is if that kid Aaron is actually Kate's baby, whom she named Aaron because the real Aaron died. Maybe the kid is hers and Sawyer's, and it was Sawyer in the coffin (he might have died a few years after making it off the island). That would explain why Jack wouldn't want to go see Kate at home with Sawyer's kid...

I think the 6th person is Des and the 5th is Aaron or Sawyer

Aaron can't count as one of the O6!
He wasn't born until after the crash, thus no name on the manifest etc. etc.
"Aaron Littleton" was not on the plane...Claire Littleton was, carrying a foetus or whatever...

As said, Des can't be one of them, as he wasn't on the plane
Also, there's no guarantee that the person in the coffin is one of them either

As for the bit about Sawyer being in the coffin, if that were the case, surely Kate would have gone to the funeral?

Gavin W

Before this season even began I read a spoiler that the Oceanic 6 would be:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid

Jin and Sun

And so far everything's played out exactly as that predicted, including what's known and rumoured of upcoming episodes.

doonothing wrote: »

Ooo, the O6, I like that!
What I wonder about is Jack's story about Kate having tried to save two who died, that will DEFINITELY be close to the truth of how they got off the island...

Darlton said in a podcast that the two people dying is just a made-up detail of the story and not significant in any way.

rgiller

SumGuy wrote: »

Aaron can't count as one of the O6!
He wasn't born until after the crash, thus no name on the manifest etc. etc.
"Aaron Littleton" was not on the plane...Claire Littleton was, carrying a foetus or whatever...

I don't want to get into a philosophical debate about the technicalities of human life or anything, but Aaron did survive the plane crash, even if he wasn't on the flight manifest. So if he does make it off the island, I think he would be considered one of the 6.

Point taken about Des though...

Bard

Seems to me that the Oceanic 6 will be Sayid, Kate, Jack, Hurley,

Michael and Sun. I'd imagine that everyone's favourite Korean couple will be seperated, despite Jin's protests

... but then again, I've nothing really to base that on...

robinph

In Kates episode something was said about there only being 8 people making it off the island, with the Oceanic 6 being a subset of those eight people. Arron is not going to be one of the Oceanic 6, we don't know if Des actually makes it back to dry land or not yet though but if he does then he is the other Non-Oceanic 6 member of the 8 meaning that Ben must have assumed someone else's identity from the plane.

doonothing

Huh... I really should start listening to the podcasts. I can't wait for this week's episode!
I think Michael and Sun are the last 2 of the 6, maybe Jin. It's kinda a pity though, I'm not mad on either of those characters.

Desmond has to get back to Penny, it'd just be too sad if he didn't!

Kiith

doonothing wrote: »

Desmond has to get back to Penny, it'd just be too sad if he didn't!

I agree. Either that or she comes to him.

Mr. K

Desmond is cool, I want him to have a happy ending most of all!

radiospan

robinph wrote: »

In Kates episode something was said about there only being 8 people making it off the island, with the Oceanic 6 being a subset of those eight people. Arron is not going to be one of the Oceanic 6, we don't know if Des actually makes it back to dry land or not yet though but if he does then he is the other Non-Oceanic 6 member of the 8 meaning that Ben must have assumed someone else's identity from the plane.

I think they said 8 survived the crash. But 2 died before the remaining 6 were rescued.

Axwell

rgiller wrote: »

There's also the person in the coffin, who is the 6th. The only change I can see there being to that list of 5 is if that kid Aaron is actually Kate's baby, whom she named Aaron because the real Aaron died. Maybe the kid is hers and Sawyer's, and it was Sawyer in the coffin (he might have died a few years after making it off the island). That would explain why Jack wouldn't want to go see Kate at home with Sawyer's kid...

I think the 6th person is Des and the 5th is Aaron or Sawyer

It was never said that the other person is the one in the coffin. There isnt even a gaurentee the person in the coffin is one of the O6, i think its Ben myself (see the coffin thread)

robinph wrote: »

In Kates episode something was said about there only being 8 people making it off the island, with the Oceanic 6 being a subset of those eight people. Arron is not going to be one of the Oceanic 6, we don't know if Des actually makes it back to dry land or not yet though but if he does then he is the other Non-Oceanic 6 member of the 8 meaning that Ben must have assumed someone else's identity from the plane.

In Jacks story of what happened there wasnt 8 that got off the island there was 8 that survived the crash but 2 died leaving the 6 that get off the island. Arron doesnt count as he wasnt technically on the plane, and Ben doesnt need to assume anyones identity, he can come and go as he pleases as we saw from the hidden room of passports etc so he doesnt need to assume an identity. The O6 has to be made up of people who were actually on the plane for the public to believe it

Riskymove

Axwell wrote: »

Arron doesnt count as he wasnt technically on the plane,

eerr....technically he was on the plane but anyway I agree I don't think he is one of the six

as they mention 8 surviving crash and six getting off the island I think its safe to assume that two of current losties bite dust near or on time of rescue (or perhaps during escape off the island)

Ben, Des, Juliette etc would not be counted either

Sun and Jin are apparantly the ficus of an upcoming episode and they went off with vincent to look for Farraday and charlotte in a different direction to Jack and Juliette. I presume their episode will focus on what happens to them out in jungle, so we might see a flash-forward story for them confirming them as part of the 6.

Axwell

Im pretty sure in Jacks story the marshal that was with Kate was one of the two people they said died so that just leaves one more. Also it doesnt have to be one of the current losties that dies, Jack and Kate can say it was one of the people in the series that has already died for example Boon. Considering only 6 make it off the island they can pretty much say anyone they want alive or dead thats left behind and their story will be believed.

Gavin W

Axwell wrote: »

Im pretty sure in Jacks story the marshal that was with Kate was one of the two people they said died so that just leaves one more.

No, Jack claims that the Marshal died in the crash and he never spoke to him. The other two people supposedly made it to shore and died later.

sebastianlieken

Interesting fact; I heard from my sisters friends friend (trust me on this) whos uncle happens to be Terry O'Quinn (John Locke).

Seemingly Terry O'Quinn (Locke) was supposed to be killed off in the early stages of season one. quite like boon n the rest of them. As the season rolled on however, it was evident that there was such a fanatic attraction to John Locke and the producers decided to keep him on until the end of the series. Terry O'Quinn is now the ONLY actor/actress to have a full contract until the end of series 6.

John Locke may not be one of the "Oceanic 6" but he is garanteed to be around until the end.

Terry

It may be that quite a few of them assume identities of the crew of the boat.

I wouldn't imagine Desmond getting back seeing as the boat belongs to Jim from Neighbours.

As we have seen, Ben does somehow get back, so it wouldn't be impossible for others to do the same.

Sinfonia

rgiller wrote: »

I don't want to get into a philosophical debate about the technicalities of human life or anything, but Aaron did survive the plane crash, even if he wasn't on the flight manifest. So if he does make it off the island, I think he would be considered one of the 6.

Point taken about Des though...

Fair enough
I wouldn't consider unborn children to be part of any kind of population, and so I don't think Aaron can be considered an Oceanic 6 candidate, but I see your point, and I don't know what the writers' criteria are, so he could well be one of them.
Although I do think that the more people they allow to leave the island, the more flashforwards they can have, and thus the more storyline to work with.
So if they don't consider Aaron to be an O6 member, they get an extra character to write stories about, if that's what they want
Aaah i dunno:pac:

doonothing

Ah they wont consider Aaron as one, they'll play him as being one as is and then throw someone "unexpectedly" into the mix further on.
(I swear, I'll someday stop reading this board and actually just watch the show and nothing else, so stuff (ie. Michael!) will actually be a surprise!
Aaron=not O6, there will be someone else...

Riskymove

So thats Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun and.....

who knows!!! maybe aaron but I don't think so

certainly the last episode was played out as a way of making you think Jin was one of the six so they are playing along with it.

It really was a good device for dragging out a few more episodes..writers must be delighted....still no answers, no real developments...just a guessing game!!

Ron DMC

They'll probably hold off on it 'til the final episode of the season, but I reckon the final 6er will be Sawyer or Locke. They're so popular as characters that it'd be a shame not to include them.

JackieChan

Ronny Mitchell wrote: »

They'll probably hold off on it 'til the final episode of the season, but I reckon the final 6er will be Sawyer or Locke. They're so popular as characters that it'd be a shame not to include them.

Even if your not one of the O6 that doesn't preclude someone from been in the show. I'd imagine that we will still contiune to have island life/outside life views going forward.

Killaqueen!!!

Ok, so we know definites are; Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Sayid. Possubly Aaron too, but I really don't think so. As said, the more characters that get off the island the better in terms of writing so I'm guessing later on they're gonna include Sawyer. I don't know why yet but he seems to be one of the main characters. All the ones that have got off the island so far have been season 1 characters who have been developed well enough and are likeable. Also, there's the theory that... (not a spoiler but if you don't wanna read theories - it's not mine by the way)

...The only people who can get off the island are those that have not been exposed to electronegativity. So when Desmond turned the failsafe key in the hatch, he was exposed to electronegativity/magnets and whatnot, and so was everyone on the beach. But at the time, Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Hurley were at the pala ferry and Jin, Sun, Sayid were on the boat.

BUT, what confuses me if the man in the coffin. He can't be from Oceanic 815 because Jack said in court that only 6 of them survived (the 6 as we know it off the island). So unless it's a Oceanic 815 survivor who left the island on the low (Michael, maybe under the fake name), it has to be someone who wasn't on the flight; Ben.

Ron DMC

JackieChan wrote: »

Even if your not one of the O6 that doesn't preclude someone from been in the show. I'd imagine that we will still contiune to have island life/outside life views going forward.

I know what you mean, and you're right, they'll definitely still have island life.

At this point, they've let us assume that we now know who all 6 of them are, but I think Aaron is a decoy. He wasn't technically on the plane per se. They're probably going to surprise everyone at the end of the season by having Sawyer off island or something. Hopefully it'll be an actual surprise though (not like that

Michael on the boat

shambles.)

gagalina

Killaqueen!!! wrote: »

Ok, so we know definites are; Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Sayid. Possubly Aaron too, but I really don't think so. As said, the more characters that get off the island the better in terms of writing so I'm guessing later on they're gonna include Sawyer. I don't know why yet but he seems to be one of the main characters. All the ones that have got off the island so far have been season 1 characters who have been developed well enough and are likeable. Also, there's the theory that... (not a spoiler but if you don't wanna read theories - it's not mine by the way)

...The only people who can get off the island are those that have not been exposed to electronegativity. So when Desmond turned the failsafe key in the hatch, he was exposed to electronegativity/magnets and whatnot, and so was everyone on the beach. But at the time, Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Hurley were at the pala ferry and Jin, Sun, Sayid were on the boat.

but wasn't aaron on the beach? so he would have been exposed to the electronegativity thing...

Sinfonia

Killaqueen!!! wrote: »

BUT, what confuses me if the man in the coffin. He can't be from Oceanic 815 because Jack said in court that only 6 of them survived (the 6 as we know it off the island). So unless it's a Oceanic 815 survivor who left the island on the low (Michael, maybe under the fake name), it has to be someone who wasn't on the flight; Ben.

Maybe Juliet or something? Or one of the boaties?

gagalina wrote: »

but wasn't aaron on the beach? so he would have been exposed to the electronegativity thing...

Maybe Aaron found his constant :eek::pac:

Killaqueen!!!

SumGuy wrote: »

Maybe Juliet or something? Or one of the boaties?

I think the writers said that

it was someone we have seen before so it can't be one of the boaties

. I think that it was said that the person in the coffin was a man so unless she got a sex change...! It would explain why Jack went to the funeral and not Kate though.

Then again, for complicitry sake it could be one of the Oceanic 6 in the future...after they got off the island one of them kills themselves or something...:rolleyes: So it could actually be anyone at this stage. But then again the only males out of the O6 are Hurley and Sayid and Hurley ain't fitting in that coffin!

spoiler

Oh Lord...:p

Nalz

Isnt it possible that the sixth may be Michael?