Champion Hurdle

stretchaq

Is it just me or is the champion hurdle a ridiculously bad betting race this year........... Sizzing Europe 2/1 favourite haveing bet an 11 year old hurdler, Al Eile who never travelled, and a sick Jazz messanger; fine he has form when beating Osana at cheltenham when receiving 6 pounds in ground considerably worse than it will be next tuesday;

You might think my selection is mad but hear me out

Blythe Knight i have backed this horse on betfair all year at prices between 100 and 50s

Cruised past osana at aintree and seems to love the large crowds hard ground and frantic pace; he ran a terrible race in the fighting 5th beaten 35l but seemed to recapture form when being beaten by katchit at wincanton when travelling ominously well before blowing up on the run in availible at 14s for a place on betfair!!!!!!!!!

Any toughts


another quick note look to silverhand in the triumph rounds 20s very good chance

BangBeater

stretchaq wrote: »

Is it just me or is the champion hurdle a ridiculously bad betting race this year........... Sizzing Europe 2/1 favourite haveing bet an 11 year old hurdler, Al Eile who never travelled, and a sick Jazz messanger; fine he has form when beating Osana at cheltenham when receiving 6 pounds in ground considerably worse than it will be next tuesday;

You might think my selection is mad but hear me out

Blythe Knight i have backed this horse on betfair all year at prices between 100 and 50s

Cruised past osana at aintree and seems to love the large crowds hard ground and frantic pace; he ran a terrible race in the fighting 5th beaten 35l but seemed to recapture form when being beaten by katchit at wincanton when travelling ominously well before blowing up on the run in availible at 14s for a place on betfair!!!!!!!!!

Any toughts


another quick note look to silverhand in the triumph rounds 20s very good chance

Have always liked BK & I agree that 14s is a huge price for a place.... It's just that he's not really a Cheltenham horse I think, & Aintree's his gaff. Then again, if going is the good side of good on the day, an even better chance I'd say!

meriwether

People will laugh at me, and throw rotting fruit.........but I fancy Harchibald.
I reckon he's a cert for a place at least.
And if he's ridden just off the pace, he might stick his nose in front for long enough to nick it.

stretchaq

mmmmmmmmm harcibald is always a sticking point!!! he will probably cruise up at some stage but what will he find i think losing in 2005 was as close as he will ever get!!!!!!!!!!!!

BangBeater

Harchibald? No chance.

According to all long term trends, then SE should walk the field. Any horse who ran an AIG Champion Hurdle, & couldn't settle in the race for the first 3/4mile and finished going away is a level above any of these I think.

But, wait, place prospects? Yes.

All in all

I am siding with Osana, think the ground will suit him much better than in november and now meeting sizing europe on level terms, just don't think sizing europes jumping is good enough at this level.
If Da valira had a better run into cheltenham he would be up there with the favourites but if he is fit and well on the day has a chance of running into a place.

stretchaq

can someone please tell me who did SE beat to be a two to one favourite!!!!!!!!!! Kauto is 1/1 for the gold cup and he has beaten everythiung in sight!!!!!! Osana why so low i need a form line thats not against SE!!!!!!! as mentioned before AIG was a bad race this year aging hurdlers past there prime

All in all

stretchaq wrote: »

can someone please tell me who did SE beat to be a two to one favourite!!!!!!!!!! Kauto is 1/1 for the gold cup and he has beaten everythiung in sight!!!!!! Osana why so low i need a form line thats not against SE!!!!!!! as mentioned before AIG was a bad race this year aging hurdlers past there prime

Kauto, hasn't beaten Denman. If denman was not in the race Kauto would be long odds on.
Osana has a line with Katchit it as well if you want to look at that but not really a line with any other irish contander.

stretchaq

in a discussion i had two months ago with none other than Ruby Walsh he said he expected Kauto to beat denman by at least 5 lenghts with denman another 5 ahead of the field there is only one thing that even has a chance of stopping kauto and that...................fences

All in all

stretchaq wrote: »

in a discussion i had two months ago with none other than Ruby Walsh he said he expected Kauto to beat denman by at least 5 lenghts with denman another 5 ahead of the field there is only one thing that even has a chance of stopping kauto and that...................fences

sorry stretch i think you dropped something there......

mdwexford

Osana has the best form on offer i think. Beaten 4 lengths by Sizing Europe in the Greatwood while giving him 6 pounds, it was his first run of the season while Sizing Europe had had a run, albeit coming down at the second last. Osana's Bula win is far superior to SE's AIG win form wise as was shown by Katchit's Kingwell victory, SE beat Hardy Eustace who is now running in the World Hurlde, that says it all really.

Sizing Europe is a chaser in the making, not a Champion Hurdler, im beginning to think hes a place lay if hes goes any shorter.

nice1franko

stretchaq wrote: »

in a discussion i had two months ago with none other than Ruby Walsh he said he expected Kauto to beat denman by at least 5 lenghts with denman another 5 ahead of the field there is only one thing that even has a chance of stopping kauto and that...................fences

...and Ruby had his choice of the two too.

I went for a Kauto, Denman forecast.

artanevilla

Sublimity from Sizing Europe and Osana.

tubey

Why do you think Sublimity will win?

applehunter

I hear Ruby is looking to get on De Valira.

Price slashed already though

mccarte2

Anyone fancy Catch me at all? Didnt quite quicken up the hill last year but had a couple of decent horses behind him. The Red Mills he won wasnt the highest of quality though.

mdwexford

artanevilla wrote: »

Sublimity from Sizing Europe and Osana.

Its impossible to win a Champion Hurdle on the back of that Bula run. He was lucky to meet two ageing horses last year, he hasnt a prayer this year imo.

mccarte2 wrote: »

Anyone fancy Catch me at all? Didnt quite quicken up the hill last year but had a couple of decent horses behind him. The Red Mills he won wasnt the highest of quality though.

He definitely has the potential to run a decent race i think, hes been coming along nicely and has some pieces of form that entitle him to have place chances for sure.

redzerdrog

i think i am siding with osana and maybe a small bet for old time sake and the fact i would love to cheer him home on harchibald

BangBeater

stretchaq wrote: »

mmmmmmmmm harcibald is always a sticking point!!! he will probably cruise up at some stage but what will he find i think losing in 2005 was as close as he will ever get!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chill with the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Colonel Sanders

the way I look at it sublimity-wise, the horse has run once since last march, a poor run in the Bula. No way could I back the horse on that basis ignoring the fact that last year's CH form is suspect to say the least (Inca, hardy and Detroit city cut each others throats and the proximity of afsoun brings up further question marks)

One worry about sizing eurpe is that de bromhead's runners at thurles yesterday ran like drains.

The more I look at the race the more I fancy Harchibald each way. However I'll wait til the day and possibly after seeing the time of the supreme before backing.

ChuckProphet

I too will be backing harchibald. At least I'll have a sweat should he be cruising coming to the last
prob have an outsider e/w too

ChuckProphet

i think sublimity was a bit of a fluke result last year as he did nothing before or since

Colonel Sanders

ChuckProphet wrote: »

I too will be backing harchibald. At least I'll have a sweat should he be cruising coming to the last
prob have an outsider e/w too

make sure and put the in running lay up at 1.2ish

lorweld

Last year just before Cheltenham I met a fella who worked in the yard of Sublimity. It was through work I met him I looked after his mother. Well he told me to beg borrow or steal money and put it on Sublimity. I backed €20 on it and was very happy I should have taking his advice though and backed more!

flashterry

Whoever thinks Sublimity did nothing before he won the Champion Hurdle needs to read the form book. That said, my faith in the horse has been shaken by reports i am hearing from wise men in the past few days.

As such, Sizing Europe is a certainty.

mdwexford

Yes that 20 length win on heavy ground was Champion Hurdle winnning form for sure :rolleyes:

RichieLawlor

as i said before 2/1 Harchibald to be placed is THE bet of the festival. Is there anyone that wouldnt like to see Harchibald get his head in front

tubey

Yeah....me. He's dirt...not a genuine race horse and a pathetic flat race at Dundalk is all the pig deserves.

Shan75

tubey wrote: »

Yeah....me. He's dirt...not a genuine race horse and a pathetic flat race at Dundalk is all the pig deserves.

Well I'm not sure of the answer but I wonder how many "pigs" and "not genuine racehorses" have won four grade 1 races and a grade 2 and come within half a length of beating a two time champion hurdler and 3 cheltenham winner in total.How come people always have a go at Harchibald because of this race and forget he beat Brave Inca in it.I know I know he cruised up and didn't win but some horses need to be beaten up to give their all while others will give it all on the bridle.I'd love to see Harchibald win as he is still the most exciting horse in the field and the most talented jumper.I doubt there would be many who don't enjoy his spectacular jumping when he is on top form which I don't think he was when Straw Bear beat him as early in the race you could see Paul Carberry was not going as well as he would have liked.

artanevilla

Sublimity wasn't fit in the Bula, he's in top shape for tuesday.

RichieLawlor

tubey wrote: »

Yeah....me. He's dirt...not a genuine race horse and a pathetic flat race at Dundalk is all the pig deserves.

Ban this muppet please, he is an idiotic poster and is of no benefit. Plus he really really really grinds my gears:mad:

mdwexford

artanevilla wrote: »

Sublimity wasn't fit in the Bula, he's in top shape for tuesday.

Shocking preparation though, dont know if its down to the trainer or injuries or what but its been a waste of a season.

dotsflan

I think straw bear is a better e/w choice than harchibald considering when the pair last met straw bear showed more grit and determination than the uninterested harchibald in saying that i think p. carberry is a bit to kind to harchibald in a finish. I would rather see N Madden riding him on tuesday:)

mdwexford

dotsflan wrote: »

I think straw bear is a better e/w choice than harchibald considering when the pair last met straw bear showed more grit and determination than the uninterested harchibald in saying that i think p. carberry is a bit to kind to harchibald in a finish. I would rather see N Madden riding him on tuesday:)

You obviously have no clue what your talking about then.

RichieLawlor

dotsflan wrote: »

I think straw bear is a better e/w choice than harchibald considering when the pair last met straw bear showed more grit and determination than the uninterested harchibald in saying that i think p. carberry is a bit to kind to harchibald in a finish. I would rather see N Madden riding him on tuesday:)

This whole statement is complete tripe. ( McCoy outfoxed Carberry and Harchibald, it wont happen again)

mdwexford wrote: »

You obviously have no clue what your talking about then.

Cant believe me and mick are agreeing on something:rolleyes:

applehunter

De Valira a NR.

Ante-post bet gone

knighted

applehunter wrote: »

De Valira a NR.

Ante-post bet gone

ruby was schooling him over hurdles and rapped one and cut his hind leg fairly bad -sick as a pig

Sizzler

Does this mean Ruby is without a ride for the champion hurdle

purple'n'gold

Sizzler wrote: »

Does this mean Ruby is without a ride for the champion hurdle

He'll probably ride Ebaziyan for Willie Mullins.

Bluetonic

The race is declared already (2 days in advance is 'Overnight' for Cheltenham) and he's down to ride Catch Me.

Colonel Sanders

purplengold wrote: »

He'll probably ride Ebaziyan for Willie Mullins.

apparently the owners wanted Davy Condon to ride if Ruby was available or not. Admirable on their behalf, and a pleasant change from the nonsense that goes on usually re. jocking people off horses.

RichieLawlor

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

apparently the owners wanted Davy Condon to ride if Ruby was available or not. Admirable on their behalf, and a pleasant change from the nonsense that goes on usually re. jocking people off horses.

admirable yes, clever i think not

LegacyUser

ne one fancy farmer brown

meriwether

robdcu wrote: »

ne one fancy farmer brown

Absolutely not.

simonrooneyzaga

i have a tenner on sizing europe to win at 5/2 and a fiver each way on harchibald to place at 7's. Come on harchie!!! one last push!

eamonnq

Ebaziyan E/W for me!

mike65

Ebaziyan is 29s on PP :eek:

Will the ground be heavy enough though?

Mike.

Sizzler

I've laid off Sizing Europe.

Kalderon for a place at 28/1 on betfair

mike65

Eh its listed as a NR on PP

Mike.

djsctt

Ebaziyan currently 40/1 with W Hill

mdwexford

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