Cheltenham 2008

Keano

With mod approval

could we post any thoughts and bets we have in this thread or do we have to take ourselves over the Horse Racing forum?

I know it has been debated that this is a gambling forum so anything goes but I just want the mods to give their approval as I believe it will be a busy thread over the Cheltenham week

Pj!

Theres mods in here???

Yeah I always maintain that if you want to chat about a horses saddle or a trainer or whatever, off to the horse racing forum. If you want to chat about gambling on horse racing, to the gambling forum.

But thats only me.

DirtyLeeds

Put your bollocks on Psycho to win the County Hurdle on the friday of the festival

Keano

DirtyLeeds wrote: »

Put your bollocks on Psycho to win the County Hurdle on the friday of the festival

Post of the day....

jameshayes

I like it here... I'm not a fan of the HR forum, to serious for me...

jameshayes

Well anyway, i've got one tip so far, it's for Harchibald in the Champion Hurdle on the 11th... he's running at 7.8 at the mo but I presume this will drop closer to the time..

6th

I'll be throwing the crazy semi-psychic tips from the Paranormal Forum up on here!

will1977

jameshayes wrote: »

Well anyway, i've got one tip so far, it's for Harchibald in the Champion Hurdle on the 11th... he's running at 7.8 at the mo but I presume this will drop closer to the time..

I like the horse but 1 big question mark over it. It always looks like it has a lot in hand coming to the last few furlongs but when the button is pressed he fails to deliver a lot of the time and dont think it will like the hill in Cheltenham. Might have a few bob on it e/w though

WH BONNEY

jameshayes wrote: »

Well anyway, i've got one tip so far, it's for Harchibald in the Champion Hurdle on the 11th... he's running at 7.8 at the mo but I presume this will drop closer to the time..

I hate the horse & wont be backing him. I would be of the opinion that you could get much better value for your money.

FWIW I think that if Sizing Europe runs like he did in the AIG he will win and win well.

My two ante post bets are

Captain Cee Bee @ 14's in the Supreme Novices

and a treble of
Kauto, Ingles Drever & Sweet Kiln

badbrian

I for one, think this should be moved to the HR forum. I don't believe there should be any horse racing threads outside of that forum. It is after all dedicated to Horse Racing....I assumed this forum was set up for non-HR gambling.

For instance the "tip" for Harchibald. There's no mention of even why you were advised to back it. Better to put it up in HR and ask for considered opinions (not that WH BOnney & Will1977's weren't considered). Also to suggest that the price of 7.8 will shorten? 7.8 is the equivalent of 13/2 (after commission). 13/2 is already available on a non-runner no bet situation. Harchibald was withdrawn close to Cheltenham last year if I remember correctly. And 7/1 is available with Coral at time of writing also non-runner-money-back.

Keano

Brian you make a good point and the reason I want mod approval

chump

badbrian wrote: »

I for one, think this should be moved to the HR forum. I don't believe there should be any horse racing threads outside of that forum. It is after all dedicated to Horse Racing....I assumed this forum was set up for non-HR gambling.

For instance the "tip" for Harchibald. There's no mention of even why you were advised to back it. Better to put it up in HR and ask for considered opinions (not that WH BOnney & Will1977's weren't considered). Also to suggest that the price of 7.8 will shorten? 7.8 is the equivalent of 13/2 (after commission). 13/2 is already available on a non-runner no bet situation. Harchibald was withdrawn close to Cheltenham last year if I remember correctly. And 7/1 is available with Coral at time of writing also non-runner-money-back.

I agree

Also the Horse racing forum is dying slowly as lots of the punters have headed over to letsbet.ie/forum

Keano

chump wrote: »

I agree

Also the Horse racing forum is dying slowly as lots of the punters have headed over to letsbet.ie/forum

I am going way off topic but if the Horse racing forum is dying as you say then maybe join the 2 forums!

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

i will be doing a 4 horse e/way accum for 100-200 yo yos - at least this way it limits possible losses and could possibly land a very big score........now off to study some form

will1977

Arianna Worried Cookbook wrote: »

i will be doing a 4 horse e/way accum for 100-200 yo yos - at least this way it limits possible losses and could possibly land a very big score........now off to study some form

Let us know your selection !?

5starpool

I would prefer it taken to the Horse racing forum, as when I became mod of this forum the feeling I got was that most people would prefer if this was a non horse gambling forum. There is still the odd thread on horses, and I have left one big 'tip for a nag' thread alone, and dependent on content moved some others.

Personally I don't really mind if there is racing tips privided, but the fact that if a precedent is set then it might become a flood of threads about them. Also, threads about which horses to back, good tips etc, already happen in the Horse Racing forum, so it would be better I think to keep it there to be honest.

If you really want to discuss racing here during Cheltenham, then confine it to the 'Tip for a Nag' thread. If there is a lot of feeling against this then it is the type of thing that can be open to discussion.

johnnysmurfman

DirtyLeeds wrote: »

Put your bollocks on Psycho to win the County Hurdle on the friday of the festival

Not for me. He's up 20 lbs for falling last time out. Too much weight and I can pass him over at a short price due to this.

Keano

fair point thanks 5starpool

Or as jackyback says leave this thread open for the festival???

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

5starpool wrote: »

I would prefer it taken to the Horse racing forum, as when I became mod of this forum the feeling I got was that most people would prefer if this was a non horse gambling forum. There is still the odd thread on horses, and I have left one big 'tip for a nag' thread alone, and dependent on content moved some others.

Personally I don't really mind if there is racing tips privided, but the fact that if a precedent is set then it might become a flood of threads about them. Also, threads about which horses to back, good tips etc, already happen in the Horse Racing forum, so it would be better I think to keep it there to be honest.

If you really want to discuss racing here during Cheltenham, then confine it to the 'Tip for a Nag' thread. If there is a lot of feeling against this then it is the type of thing that can be open to discussion.

Can we leave this thread open just for the Festival? i aree with keeping all horsey gambles confined to the "tip for a nag" thread

5starpool

All Horse racig discussion that doesn't belong in the tips thread should definitely be taken to the horse racing forum imo. Feel free to post tips/fancies or whatever in the tips thread though. I will even sticky it and all future racing tips/bets threads here will be merged in there.

I know it can seem annoying that you can't talk about stuff in one place, but have to bring it elsewhere, but all forums have the same issues to a point, and the more the place grows, the bigger the problem gets.

However, unless there is a reason to, I don't go into either the Horse Racing forum or the tips thread here as I have zero interest in Horse Racing.

fatgav

it should be kept in here. cheltenham is one of the biggest gambling events of the year. we're not talking about anything other then that like. is it possoble to have the same thread on both boards, for the festival? this issue will just keep coming up and up. and if the tip for a nag thread can stay, i don't see why anything else should go

Kinda32

fatgav wrote: »

it should be kept in here. cheltenham is one of the biggest gambling events of the year. we're not talking about anything other then that like. is it possoble to have the same thread on both boards, for the festival? this issue will just keep coming up and up. and if the tip for a nag thread can stay, i don't see why anything else should go

I agree, Its a massive gambling attraction so maybe let the thread stay until the festival ends and then move it.

badbrian

fatgav wrote: »

it should be kept in here. cheltenham is one of the biggest gambling events of the year. we're not talking about anything other then that like. is it possoble to have the same thread on both boards, for the festival? this issue will just keep coming up and up. and if the tip for a nag thread can stay, i don't see why anything else should go

I am against this Horse Racing thread in Gambling. A logical step to me from here would be that we would then have poker threads in here. After all Poker is gambling. But there is a dedicated Poker forum. Or would we only have Poker threads during the World Series of Poker?

Or another scenario. Rather than having two boards with Horse Racing Threads close the Horse Racing Thread and ask those posters to post only in Gambling. Then this forum, which has to date been primarily a sports betting board would be littered by Horse Racing Threads.
Would the regular posters here be happy to accept this compromise - that in order to allow horse racing threads here we should merge with Horse Racing under a new bigger Gambling Forum?

What I really think this is about is that people want their own private forum rather than actually posting on the different dedicated boards.

This isn't a personal attack on anybody and please don't take it that way. I simply can't understand why if there is already a Horse Racing Forum we need a second mini-Horse Racing Forum.

jameshayes

My main point is that -no offence to the HR lads, i'm sure there great lads- but they have a different mentality about the game - we look at cheltenham and try find the value, the good lays, the easy wins. They look at form, ground, wind direction and how much the horse sh!ts the nite before... It's different

badbrian

jameshayes wrote: »

- we look at cheltenham and try find the value, the good lays, the easy wins. They look at form, ground,

Are these two not inextricably linked?

prendy

I am against this Horse Racing thread in Gambling. A logical step to me from here would be that we would then have poker threads in here. After all Poker is gambling. But there is a dedicated Poker forum. Or would we only have Poker threads during the World Series of Poker?

then if this is the case move soccer bets to soccer forum.

this is the place for gambling chat and cheltneham is the biggest gambling week of the year so why would this thread be anywhere else.

i will be doing a 4 horse e/way accum for 100-200 yo yos - at least this way it limits possible losses and could possibly land a very big score........now off to study some form

Arianna Worried Cookbook let us know what your thinking of putting into this...im gonna do the same sort of bet..had a very large win 2 years ago with this.:D


i think kuato, sizing europe are definates in my book, just wanna find 1-2 good value bets to include.
will post back monday when i have studied who's running what!

fatgav

is it time to start talking tips yet?

also, since they are linked (as brian pointed out) could the thread be posted in both boards??

badbrian

prendy wrote: »

then if this is the case move soccer bets to soccer forum.

Horse racing and punting on it go hand in hand. People can play poker for fun but personally I don't see the point. So let's accept people play poker to gamble.
The same cannot be said for soccer.
People who follow soccer do not necessarily bet on it however so I don't think it would be fair to foist the soccer gambling threads on them.

For example there was a monster thread on the Ireland Soccer manager in Soccer, discussing the merits of the candidates and peoples views on them. There were smaller threads here discussing the prices of various candidates, and also peoples' views on same candidates and whether there was value backing them. I feel both were in the right forums.

As you've probably gathered it's a slow day in work

For Jackyback and others considering doing e/w (or win) accumulators I would like to share a personal story from many years ago. I had been underpaid in January and got the difference back in Feb. I felt loaded at the time (I was a trainee). I was working out on the Old Naas Road and went into Hackett's beside FBD. I did all sorts of bets. Yankees, Placepots, all sorts of accumulators. It was a very bad festival for me. It's hard enough picking winners at all without trying accumulators. But that's my tale. My point really is you might be a couple of hundred down after the first leg of the accumulator. But each to their own and of course best of luck with them. Let us know who you are doing so we can follow. It will ultimately be a mod's decision if this thread gets moved to the HR Forum.
Thus far I've backed Exotic Dancer at 16/1 and am trying to back Fair Along for the Champion Chase (brilliant course form) and Harper Valley (beat Franchoek over course and Distance in Dec).

Keano

I am thinking of backing Exotic Dancer without the top 2.

will1977

I thought he had been withdrawn !!

Pj!

My main bet as of now is Nor'Nor'East in the Nat Hunt Nov Chase.

25/1.

mike65

Sizing Europe looks a good bet for the cautious

10 runs 5 wins (3 on soft ground) 2 places. 9/4 atm.

Mike.

patmac

Lot of money and talk about Corskeagh Royale in the Weathersby Bumper on Thursday, Roscommon horse 9/1 with paddy Power atm.

lilowlil

Did Anyone see the €1 million cashback from Boylesports? looks like it could def be worthwile:). what about captain cee bee tomorrow good value in it.

lilowlil

heard about this corkskeagh royale too.... definitely worth a punt

Kamaldihnio

Seriously, of course this thread belongs here. If horse racing is not gambling, what the hell is? I was here last year for Cheltenham and Im here again, I never heard anyone complain about it last year. If you lock this thread and move it over to horse racing you are a joke. Yeah like people who gamble on horses have any interest in what saddles are made of and what they eat and how to treat them etc etc. Get out of town. Cheltenham, gambling. End of.

Kamaldihnio

I here Sublimity tommorow has a better chance than last year and he won it last year. This comes from the owners son. I work with his mate and they cleaned up on him last year. 6/1

One of my mates cousin is a bookie and he does give the odd good tip, to me. Anyway so far he has given me:

Kruguyrova 12/1 and Lankawi 25/1

Last of all a lad who lives where I am from owns a horse called fiveforthree, Ruby Walsh is riding it and it runs in the Ballymore Properties Novice Hurdle 2m 5f. Anyway I hear that its been held back or some crap like that and its meant to have a good chance. The whole of Leixlip is meant to be backing it anyway. Could be complete bull crap but he has been gambled into 10/1 from 16's or something.

Any good tips I do get from here on I will put up here and look forward to seeing your tips.

ps Dont shoot the messenger. Also did I say that I love this thread and that people talking about locking it have no clue what Cheltenham is about. Good luck.

buckie

anyone hear of a noel meade horse southwestone running over the festival

johnnysmurfman

I'm having 3 bets. Carruthers to win on Friday, Cockleshell Road in the bumoer on Wednesday, and Harchibald to be unplaced today (around 7/4 on Betfair). I'm most confident about Harchibald, I think he's tragically underpriced and will be outclassed today, I really think he's past his best.

jameshayes

Here's a few bets received from a top tipster!


Tuesday
Khyber Kim
Thyne Again
Sizing Europe
Kilbeggan Blade
River Liane

Wednesday
Venalmar
Starzaan
Tamarinbleu
County Zen
Corskeagh Royale

Thursday
Ambobo
Mossbank
My Way de Solzen
Don’t Push It
Robin Du Bois

Friday
Celestial Halo
The Tother One
Kauto Star
Lord of Illusion
Tiger Cry

am i bovvered

My ones today...

10/03/2008

€50.00 To Win - Double 2:35 Noland 2 - 1 Pending
3:15 Sizing Europe 9 - 4 Pending

€50.00 To Win - Single 5:20 River Liane 7 - 2 Pending

mike65

I'm opening two seperate accus - one is using traditional "logic" the other is reading a certain tipster who did very well for those in the know last year.

2:00 SUPREME NOVICES' HURDLE 2m 1/2f
Muirhead @ 8.00
2:35 IRISH INDEPENDENT ARKLE CHASE 2m
Noland @ 3.00
3:15 SMURFIT KAPPA CHAMPION HURDLE 2m 1/2f
Sublimity @ 6.00

Each way treble potenitial 190/1 if they come in or 45/1 if they are all placed.

and Pasco/Moon Over Miami double each way approx 300/1 if they come in or 75/1 if they are both placed.

Mike.

will1977

THIS ONE JUST FOR A BIT OF FUN AND AN INTEREST

2.00 Cheltenham - Supr...
Pasco [EW] 14/1

2.35 Cheltenham - Arkl...
Moon Over Miami [EW] 16/1

4.00 Cheltenham - Will...
Bob Hall [EW] 14/1

3.15 Cheltenham - Cham...
Ebaziyan [EW] 20/1

Stake (USD)
Standard combo @ USD 1.00 1.00
6 Doubles @ USD 1.00 6.00
4 Trebles @ USD 1.00 4.00


Number of bets 11
Possible payout USD 101307.00


Have 100 e/w on Harchibald as my big bet today

mike65

2:00 SUPREME NOVICES' HURDLE 2m 1/2f
11th of March 2008 2:00pm
Win or Each Way
Each Way Odds: 1/4 places 1,2,3,4
Tranquil Sea @ 19.00

5 euro

Mike.

m.j.w

What was the result of the first. Just seen the winner

mike65

3 Captain Cee Bee (R Thornton, 17-2 )
22 Binocular (A P McCoy, 8-1 joint-fav)
16 Snap Tie (R Johnson, 20-1 )

Mike.

IrishMike

Im yet another sheep with money on noland

patmac

Seems to be a case of follow the money. Captain Cee Bee backed into 13/2 from 10/1 and now Tidal Bay 6/1 in from 10/1 on the course took him at 13/2 watch the steamers!

Keano

Terrible day so far for me

B1977

got 2 tips and put down the wrong name for one of them
.Kruguyrova 2.35
catch on 3.15
did an each way double of €5
should have put katchit but it was spelt "catch it" on tip sheet.i did it online on paddy power,cost myself about €70

Kamaldihnio

Subject: Cheltenham Notes Preview Night 27/02/08 The Helix Dublin

Hi Gents,

Just to give you a helping hand for the week of Cheltenham. God knows we need it! I was at the Helix on Tuesday night and here are my notes.
Panel was as follows with bankers! For the record Noel O' Brien is the Irish Handicapper. Donn McClean is a tipster (Today FM / Irish Times). Nina & Tony Mullins arrived late so they missed a few of the races.

Bankers
Barney Curley - Apt Approach (Bumper)
Mick Fitz - Aigle D'Or (Ballymore)
John Carr - Sublimity (Champion Hurdle)
Nina - Gerard (County Hurdle “I think”)
Andrew Mac - Sweet Kiln (David Nicholson Mares Hurdle)
Donn McClean - L' Antartique (Ryanair)
Noel O' Brien - Kauto Star (Gold Cup)
Tony Mullins - Noland (Arkle)
VC Bet Rep – Ringaroses (Not sure which race)

Race by Race Analysis

Ballymore Novices
BC - Aigle D'Or
MF - Aigle D'Or : Next Best Breedsbreeze EW
JC – No selection
Nina - Trafford Lad : Ground will suit
A. Mac – No selection
D Mc - Aigle D'Or : Venalmar EW
NOB - Trafford Lad
TM - Forpaddydeplasterer (Best of Irish) EW only

RSA Novice Chase
BC - Go to the bar (i.e. No bet)
MF - Oscar Park EW (Follow Ruby in the race) Air Force One a soft horse - No chance according to Mick
JC – No selection
Nina – No selection
Andrew Mac – No selection
D. Mc - Pomme Tiepy (with a run)
NOB – No selection
TM - Albertas Run EW
VC Rep - Silverburn

Queen Mother Chase
BC - Voy Por Ustedes
MF - Voy Por Ustedes (Really thinks its a good thing)
A. Mac - Voy Por Ustedes : (No chance of an Irish Winner in the race)
NOB - Voy Po Ustedes
TM - Voy Por Ustedes

Champion Bumper
BC - Apt Approach
MF - No real tip (Gold Award small chance only)
T. Mullins - Zaarito
Nina - Zaarito (Made special mention for Cousin Vinny)
Nob - Zaarito
A. Mac - Cousin Vinny (Thinks he is a class act)
Willie Mulllins - Apt Approach
VC Rep - Lilywhitedancer

JCP Triumph Hurdle
TM - JP's horses (One of them)
MF - Franchoek
Nina - Silverhand (EW BET)
A. Mac - Won in the Dark
D. Mc - Franchoek
Gold Cup
BC - No Bet (Denman if a gun to his head)
Nina - Kauto
NOB - Kauto (Mentioned Mossbank EW)
A. Mac - Mossbank EW (With a run)
MF - Kauto
DMc - Kauto (Also mentioned Mossbank)
TM - Kauto (Another Arkle in his opinion)

World Hurdle
T. Mullins - Inglis (Only if right)
BC - Wichita Lineman
D Mc - My Way De Solzen or Kazal EW
MF - Blazing Bailey (Thinks Lough Derg has no chance)
A. Mac - Blazing Bailey
VC Rep - Virus in H. Johnson yard is a huge worry
Champion Hurdle
J. Carr - Sublimity : Feels he is every bit as good as last year
A. Mac - Sizing Europe
M.F - Sublimity
D. Mc - Sizing Europe (Ebaziyan EW)

Ryan Air
MF - Tamarinbleu (But Mossbank has an O/S chance if he runs)
A. Mc - Mossbank : Loves good ground
NOB - Mossbank : Rated 170/Top Staying Chaser in Ireland
Nina - Mossbank or Tamarinbleu
B. Curley - Our Vic
TM - Our Vic
D. Mc - L' Antartique

Supreme Novices
NOB - Captain Cee Bee
MF - Deep Purple
BC - Deep Purple
A. Mac - Captain Cee Bee (Ground Important)
D. Mc - Muirhead
Nina - Muirhead

Arkle
TM - Noland (Thinks its the worst Arkle for years)
BC - Tidal Bay (Best horse in the race by a mile)
MF - Tidal Bay
NOB - Clopf / Tidal Bay or Noland
A. Mac - Noland not a 2 mile horse (Suggests Scotsirish EW for value)

Please note I accept no liability for these tips if things go very wrong. However, it was a good panel so hopefully there are a few winners among the selections.

Best of Luck!
Regards,
The Mystery Man