Rank/Tagline part 2

Kazobel

From here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055246247

I'm starting this again because you locked my other thread thus not giving me a chance to answer in any way

DeVore wrote:

Default vbulletin title for someone with between 500 and 1000 posts is 'Freak'

No one changed it on you, its what you defaulted back to because you had 900 posts.

DeV.

That's a lie and I know for three reasons DeV,

Number one: my tagline never changed to "Freak" automatically when I went over 500 posts, it's always been "Registered user" until I was banned and then it suddenly changed, if that's the case then how come looking at this thread for example does Jezza (758 posts) or Donegal Lass (649 posts) not have "Freak" under their name?

Number two: I own a vBulletins site DeV and there is no default "Freak" tagline, there are no default tags at all, you have to create them and none run on here and just to prove it here's my sites rank manger as it came with the software.



See, there's no default "Freak" tag on vBulletins at all.

Number three: I'd assume if that was true you wouldn't have needed to look into it since you are a Sys Admin so one would assume you'd at least know what the rank/taglines are and when they get applied? I find it strange you needed to look into it.

Simply admit it, someone changed it to be a cnut. There's more proof to support my explaination than yours and the fact that you locked the thread so quickly only adds to that proof IMO.

Tragedy

A quick google brought up this post: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=285002

monkeyfudge

I'd say Devore locked it as it was really something that should have been posted in HelpDesk.

I don't recall a time when the post rank tag line was in effect "Cool newbie" etc.

But it's possible there was a reminent of an old one on boards.ie

I'd imagine CuLT is doing a good bit of work on the VB software at the moment and it may have bene thrown up as a result.

If this isn't the case.. then it certainly is bang out of order.

Hagar

Kaz have a look at this thread.

Read any of these threads.

DeV is telling it like it is. You owe him an apology.

Stark

"Freak" was the default tag line for someone on boards with 500 - 900 posts before the upgrade to vBulletin 3.x. Here's an old thread talking about the tag lines as proof: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=114209 (Edit: Tragedy and Hagar beat me to it).

The tag lines along with some other features stopped working with the upgrade to vBulletin 3.0, but that wasn't a deliberate thing, maybe a conflict with all the hacks that Boards has on vBulletin. I assume the user ranks are still in the database and your banning/unbanning triggered a software glitch to resurrect your user rank.

monkeyfudge

Sheesh... those post count ranks are so low...

What would you call someone with over 30,000 posts? Other than 'Victor' or 'Mike65' that is...

Sherifu

Kazobel wrote: »

That's a lie and I know for three reasons DeV,
...
Simply admit it, someone changed it to be a cnut.

Steady on and look at the posts made by Tragedy, Hagar and Stark. I remember reading that thread by Cloud with the old categories before and I must admit when I read your first thread today I completely forgot about them. I think you should have handled this by PM with Dev, you owe him an apology.

regi

Sorry, Kaz - its not all just about you and your choices

By default, our vb install calls people by those titles, unless overwritten which is now the norm.

Dan

daiixi

Kazobel wrote: »

Simply admit it, someone changed it to be a cnut. There's more proof to support my explaination than yours and the fact that you locked the thread so quickly only adds to that proof IMO.

Gandalf23

Taking the advice of others from a few ongoing feedback threads, I'm reporting this lolcat for being an attempt to derail the thread. Oh, and also calling the OP retarded.

Gandalf23

The guy is complaining about something ... he has been given a few good answers ... now give him a decent chance to reply and apologise if he sees fit before the lolcats are called in ffs ...

Karoma

miju

he gave the OP a whole 45 mins. more than enough time was allowed to pass IMO

Gandalf23

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Gandalf23

miju wrote: »

he gave the OP a whole 45 mins. more than enough time was allowed to pass IMO

Its friday evening man! Has the OP even logged on since he posted?

"A whole 45 minutes" ... wow!!!

Kazobel

Hagar wrote: »

Kaz have a look at this thread.

Read any of these threads.

DeV is telling it like it is. You owe him an apology.

None of those threads apply, am I suppose to believe that a thread that started in 2003 applies now? those ranks ended a long time ago but still I was the only one the "Freak" rank magicaly applied to? that's a cop out and as I said in my 3rd point if DeV is a Sys Admin why did he just not know that? why did he have to look into it? I know I know everything that happens on my site and would never need to go looking for answers to why a rank exists since I'd assume I should already know. I owe no one an apology, on one else was labled a freak.

miju

t'was a joke buddy

Hagar

Kaz life will get much easier when you realize that not everybody is out to get you.

Karoma

Kazobel wrote: »

I owe no one an apology, on one else was labled a freak.

I was labeled a freak.
I too have an alt. account...not to evade bans though. Thank goodness nobody infracted you for "being a spanner"...

Kazobel

Sherifu wrote: »

Steady on and look at the posts made by Tragedy, Hagar and Stark. I remember reading that thread by Cloud with the old categories before and I must admit when I read your first thread today I completely forgot about them. I think you should have handled this by PM with Dev, you owe him an apology.

Why should I keep it on PM? is this not what feedback is for? what was done was wrong, no one should be allowed do that no matter their feelings and if I have to live with their actions then they(and Boards since they represent Boards) should have to live with me being public about it.

AlmightyCushion

The reason he had to investigate was because he didn't know why your tagline was changed. I presume he asked someone like regi or asok and they told him about the defaults. Do you remember everything small little detail from the past couple of years?

The reason it didn't happen to anyone could be because you were moved from the "banned" usergroup back into the "registered user" usergroup. It seems like it put you into the wrong usergroup. I know nothing about vbulletin though so I may be wrong.

Chinafoot

Did you even read Regi's reply?

Sherifu

Kazobel wrote: »

Why should I keep it on PM? is this not what feedback is for? what was done was wrong, no one should be allowed do that no matter their feelings and if I have to live with their actions then they(and Boards since they represent Boards) should have to live with me being public about it.

Because you shouldn't be calling him a liar in public in my opinion. That's just basic manners. By all means bring it to feedback but cut out the wild allegations.

Kazobel

Hagar wrote: »

Kaz life will get much easier when you realize that not everybody is out to get you.

Is that how yous are going to deal with this? dismiss me as being "all about me" sure at the best of times that's how you all deal with everything. Every real issue on here is deals with by dismissals and fcuking cat pictures but the truth is you just sweep everything under the carpet, It was an obvious homo/transphobic act and you just don't want to admit it but I'd wonder if it'd be treated the same if it was a gay guy banned and someone changed his tag to "Fag"

Karoma wrote: »

I was labeled a freak.
I too have an alt. account...not to evade bans though. Thank goodness nobody infracted you for "being a spanner"...

My alt account was nothing to do with evading a ban, my alt account was created a long time before that and I explained to alot of people why I created it and they accepted it otherwise I wouldn't still be here, my alt account has nothing to do with this so stop trying to change the subject.

AlmightyCushion

Kazobel, do you really think the admins would waste the time it takes to edit your tagline just to get at a user they've probably never even heard of before?

Kazobel

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Kazobel, do you really think the admins would waste the time it takes to edit your tagline just to get at a user they've probably never even heard of before?

Admin aren't the only ones with access to taglines

AlmightyCushion

Kazobel wrote: »

Admin aren't the only ones with access to taglines

On here I'm pretty sure they are.

Edit: Actually I think smods can too. Do you really think an smod would do something like that. They've been given that position for a reason because they can be trusted with it.

Chinafoot

Kazobel wrote: »

Is that how yous are going to deal with this? dismiss me as being "all about me" sure at the best of times that's how you all deal with everything. Every real issue on here is deals with by dismissals and fcuking cat pictures but the truth is you just sweep everything under the carpet, It was an obvious homo/transphobic act and you just don't want to admit it but I'd wonder if it'd be treated the same if it was a gay guy banned and someone changed his tag to "Fag"

Two Admins have taken the time to respond to you, one of whom you haven't even acknowledged. You have been given the reason for what happened but this is apparently not good enough for you. You have no way of proving that someone maliciously set out to mess with your tag-line.
The admins however, have proven that there used to be rankings for post-count, one of which happened to be "freak". It is not completely unrealistic that there was a glitch when you were unbanned.

I'm not sure what more you expect from this. You have been given the answer to your question.

Tom Dunne

I have to admit, when I saw your initial thread, I was horrified. I did think it was a low blow, very inappropriate.

But, Kazobel, I have to say, the lads wouldn't stoop that low. The admins/S-mods/whoever are decent people and know where the line is. There's taking the piss, and there's crossing a line. I truly believe nobody crossed that line with you.

Maybe I am being naive, but I find it hard to believe they would take a cheap shot like that at you.

r3nu4l

Ok, Kazobel, I hope you know me as someone who is fair and level-minded.

As you are aware, there is a setting for the "Freak" tagline on vBulletin, in fact, on boards.org.uk where I am a non-root Admin ,the settings regi described are the default tagline settings. There is a chance that your tagline was inadvertently changed following your unbanning. Equally, there is a chance that someone was playing silly buggers and having a laugh. Poor taste? Most certainly. Did the Admins know, most likely not, believe it or not, these guys take boards.ie very seriously!

Honestly, if it was someone messing around, then that's a bit immature but it is also likely that this was simply a quirk. I know that on boards.org.uk strange things have happened from time to time as I've been trying to do things in the Admin CP, perhaps this is one of those occassions...

Either way, perhaps deal with the Admins via PM on this occassion. Might be worth it!

Kazobel

Chinafoot wrote: »

Two Admins have taken the time to respond to you, one of whom you haven't even acknowledged. You have been given the reason for what happened but this is apparently not good enough for you. You have no way of proving that someone maliciously set out to mess with your tag-line.
The admins however, have proven that there used to be rankings for post-count, one of which happened to be "freak". It is not completely unrealistic that there was a glitch when you were unbanned.

I'm not sure what more you expect from this. You have been given the answer to your question.

Actually it is unrealistic, glitches like that don't just happen, I know because I'm a software engineer and write **** like vBulletins. no other person who has been banned has ever changed to "Freak" but I, amazingly, did and when all is said and done it really applied so well to to the opinion of me by some people on here anyway so lets all just gloss over it and ignore the freak trannie. It's no wonder I needed a fcuking alternative account and no wonder all TS post under unregged accounts because all it ever comes back to is us being freaks.

Stark

Oh really?

Glitches never happen in software?

You know because you're a software engineer?

Oh right, well you sure told us then.

kaimera

jesus christ are you a whiney bitch.

congrats on knowing noone else banned had a tagline of 'freak'. I'm sure the relevance of you being a sw engi helped you find that out.

thus far people have been civil but you really are pushing it tbh

Hagar

Kazobel wrote: »

Is that how yous are going to deal with this? dismiss me as being "all about me" sure at the best of times that's how you all deal with everything.

I'm not dismissing you. Nobody here is dismissing you.
Simply put you got the wrong end of the stick.
Any one of us might have jumped to the same conclusion in your position but when you look closely you'll find that the Admins and the Smods are decent people. None of them would do what you are accusing them of. If I thought they would I would walk of the site myself in disgust but I'm not about to. Why? Because you are mistaken, it's not a personal attack, it's not an attack of any type. Calm down and think clearly, the malice you suspect is non-existant.

CuLT

None of the directors are going to reply this evening, possibly this weekend, so I suggest you take a break for the moment, or else listen to the sound advice of the posters currently posting.

FlutterinBantam

:eek:

WTF

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

tbh this all looks like a case of sandy vaginas to me.

embee

I registered on this site in 2002, and I can vividly remember being a "fast newbie". Am I right in thinking people with 2000 posts or more used to have the tagline "no life, no hope"? Its ringing a bell, anyways. I remember my bf (who is one of the Feb 98 crowd) had that tagline. Maybe it was because he'd subscribed.. whatever. I remember the fast newbie, freak etc taglines.

Kaz - in all fairness, you need to get over yourself (and your other alt. account should probably get over themselves too). No one here is out to get you. You owe the admins an apology. I would imagine that most of the people on here don't give a shyte whether you're a man, a woman, a bit of both, black, white, purple with yellow polka dots. I know I certainly don't care. Yet everytime you feel hard done by or attacked (which, from the aggressive tone of a lot of your posts is a lot of the time) you make out that people are picking on you because of your sexuality.

Perhaps people can't warm to you because you're a touch too quick to play the "poor me" card? Just my €0.02.

edit : I'd like to change my tagline - do I have to subscribe to do it?

Tom Dunne

Tranny wrote: »

tbh this all looks like a case of sandy vaginas to me.

You couldn't have picked a more inappropriate analogy, could you?

Listen, Kazobel, take a step back, come back in a couple of days. I appreciate how strongly you feel about this, but it's not worth getting your blood pressure up. You will do yourself no favours.

the_syco

This is a private forum. Want your name changed?

FruitLover

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The reason it didn't happen to anyone could be because you were moved from the "banned" usergroup back into the "registered user" usergroup.

Either that or noone else gave enough of a crap about it to start a thread in Feedback.

Kazobel, you're not the first trannie on boards, and I doubt you'll be the last. Accusing people of mucking around with your account (and one that's only been on boards all of 6 months; hardly a high profile) for that reason smacks of a combination of paranoia and petulance.

Anyway, WTF does it matter what it says under a false name on an internet forum?? I don't understand where the apoplectic rage is coming from. Admins/SMods, please feel free to change my tag ('rank'! ha...) to Freak/Loser/Fag/Gaylord/whatever you feel like so that Kazobel doesn't feel like she's the only victim of opression on these dark, tyrranic forums.

BuffyBot

It was an obvious homo/transphobic act and you just don't want to admit it

No, it wasn't. It was a simple kick into a usergroup when the ban was removed. You're choosing to see it as something hugely malicious, targetted at you. I can see why you might jump to that conclusion, but it's a jump in the wrong direction - something that's been pointed out a few times now, by those in the know. Yet you refuse to recognise the most simple explanation, preferring to go for a more self-centric conspiracy style reading. Can you see why people are emphasise this point?

People who've been around here longer than you remember being "Freaks". It's one of the old tags people had at one stage, myself included. Sometimes you just have to accept that something is what it is, and nothing more than that.

randylonghorn

Kazobel wrote: »

Number two: I own a vBulletins site DeV and there is no default "Freak" tagline, there are no default tags at all, you have to create them and none run on here and just to prove it here's my sites rank manger as it came with the software.

Kaz, this site has been around since 1997, it's frigging huge, the vB has been upgraded several times, loads of people have added hacks (not sure Cloud has any other hobby!) and sometimes gremlins get into the works ... as a software engineer you should be able to understand that.

To my own extremely amateur knowledge, there are two ongoing oddities:

(1) the script to start the back-up seems to have a "time drift" for want of a better phrase ... after the last upgrade back-up used to start approx. 3.05 at first, it has gradually drifted until now it starts around 3.25, and it's still drifting.

(2) Occasional time-warps whereby responses to posts appear before the original post.

Kazobel wrote: »

those ranks ended a long time ago but still I was the only one the "Freak" rank magicaly applied to? that's a cop out and as I said in my 3rd point if DeV is a Sys Admin why did he just not know that? why did he have to look into it? I know I know everything that happens on my site and would never need to go looking for answers ...

Is your site the 34th busiest in the world? And if something like that happened on your site, even if you thought you knew the answer, wouldn't you take a few minutes to double-check?

Kaz, I accept it was a ****ty thing to happen, and I can understand why you would be upset, but it looks like it was just an unfortunate co-incidence. Two Admins, DeV and Regi, have already responded to you. Loads of people who've been around since the early days have pointed out that this is just a brief re-appearance from the depths of the programming of an old default tagline from yesteryear ... a glitch, in fact.

And did you notice how quickly DeV responded to your original complaint, even in the middle of the working day, and went off to to check it out? Wouldn't that suggest to you that he took the issue seriously?

Karl Hungus

I'll say with absolutely certainty that I do not believe that anyone in the position of changing user tags would so quickly abuse someone via that feature.

I remember not so long ago, I suggested jokingly that we changed CoolSmileyGirl's name to CrazyCatLady, and this was pretty dimly viewed on, there was even accusations of bullying. I was pretty shocked that it was thought I meant it in a maliscious way, because it wasn't. So I just don't believe anyone with the power would stoop to abusing someone in that way.

Sparky

Yeah I had a No life tag once.

One example is anti

his tag is still 'no life'

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=69963

OrlaBarry

Accidents happen. I seriously doubt any Admin meant that to happen.
I remember there was once a normal user accidently made an Admin for a night. And he wasted it!! ;p

Boards has a lot of their own scripts etc running. Vex having 666 posts, Ecksor being a constant "0" posts. The main reason they didn't upgradeVB for a long time was because of those alterations they made over the years. When a new forum is added or a mod added there is, I think, a script that runs over night or some time to update. Boards is not your standard VB set up.

There is noway that any of the admins would have done what you are suggesting on purpose. They are actually nice guys. Did they not unban you after using dual accounts etc?

I can understand you initial reaction given your, I dunno, "stuff" but If you take a step back and think about it I think you should take the Admins at their word here.

Kazobel

embee wrote: »

I registered on this site in 2002, and I can vividly remember being a "fast newbie". Am I right in thinking people with 2000 posts or more used to have the tagline "no life, no hope"? Its ringing a bell, anyways. I remember my bf (who is one of the Feb 98 crowd) had that tagline. Maybe it was because he'd subscribed.. whatever. I remember the fast newbie, freak etc taglines.

Kaz - in all fairness, you need to get over yourself (and your other alt. account should probably get over themselves too). No one here is out to get you. You owe the admins an apology. I would imagine that most of the people on here don't give a shyte whether you're a man, a woman, a bit of both, black, white, purple with yellow polka dots. I know I certainly don't care. Yet everytime you feel hard done by or attacked (which, from the aggressive tone of a lot of your posts is a lot of the time) you make out that people are picking on you because of your sexuality.

Perhaps people can't warm to you because you're a touch too quick to play the "poor me" card? Just my €0.02.

edit : I'd like to change my tagline - do I have to subscribe to do it?

Just because the word is "Transsexual" doesn't mean it's a "sexuality". "Gay", "Straight", "Bi", "Lesbian" are sexuallities, Transsexual is a gender just like Intersexed or male or female and I play no "poor me" card, **** you, try reading up on things before you give an opinion that you think is informed but really isn't.

Chinafoot

Kazobel wrote: »

Just because the word is "Transsexual" doesn't mean it's a "sexuality". "Gay", "Straight", "Bi", "Lesbian" are sexuallities, Transsexual is a gender just like Intersexed or male or female and I play no "poor me" card, **** you, try reading up on things before you give an opinion that you think is informed but really isn't.

Getting abusive isn't going to do you any favours here. Maybe you should take the others advice and log off til you calm down.

OrlaBarry

Kazobel wrote: »

Just because the word is "Transsexual" doesn't mean it's a "sexuality". "Gay", "Straight", "Bi", "Lesbian" are sexuallities, Transsexual is a gender just like Intersexed or male or female and I play no "poor me" card, **** you, try reading up on things before you give an opinion that you think is informed but really isn't.

People are trying to help you here, not help the Admins.

takola

Kazobel wrote: »

Just because the word is "Transsexual" doesn't mean it's a "sexuality". "Gay", "Straight", "Bi", "Lesbian" are sexuallities, Transsexual is a gender just like Intersexed or male or female and I play no "poor me" card, **** you, try reading up on things before you give an opinion that you think is informed but really isn't.

I've reported this post.

Everyone in this thread has been incredibly patient with you. Nobody has abused you in any way. These issues are in your head as far as I can see. You have no need to get abusive.

embee

Kazobel wrote: »

Just because the word is "Transsexual" doesn't mean it's a "sexuality". "Gay", "Straight", "Bi", "Lesbian" are sexuallities, Transsexual is a gender just like Intersexed or male or female and I play no "poor me" card, **** you, try reading up on things before you give an opinion that you think is informed but really isn't.

Point proven, tbh.

I said you were aggressive and on the attack a lot of the time. You respond by saying F*** you". I don't care if you're transgender. I don't really care whether or not you think my opinion of you is informed or not (but here's a tip - the only opinion I can have of you is one you put across in your own posts, so whether or not I'm "informed" is all down to you). I don't agree with you, and I don't have to. Re-starting a thread that was locked (after you were given a perfectly honest and valid explanation) just to call admins liars and cnuts to me is completely aggressive behaviour. You could have PM'ed DeV, but you wanted to make sure everyone knows how aggrieved you are at a simple mistake - there's the "poor me" card I spoke about earlier. Then you're saying "f*** you" to me..... The difference between you and I is that I'm not going to resort to swearing at you and jumping on the attack. You seem really, really angry about an unfortunate coincidence. On a message board on the internet.

Time to put those perspective goggles on.