Ireland recognizes Kosova

shqipshume

Minister for Foreign Affairs Dermot Ahern TD Announces Ireland’s recognition of the Republic of Kosovo

29/02/2008


The Minister for Foreign Affairs, Dermot Ahern T.D., announced today that the Government has recognised the independence of the Republic of Kosovo.
The recognition of Kosovo by Government decision follows a resolution by the Kosovo Assembly on 17th February to declare Kosovo independent. Minister Ahern signalled then that he would recommend that the Government recognise its independence.
The Minister said: “We regret that years of talks failed to produce an agreement between Belgrade and Pristina. The reality is that the legacy of the conflict of the late 1990s made the return of Serb dominion in Kosovo unthinkable, and also undermined the prospects for a long-sought compromise. After almost nine years under UN-led interim administration, more than 90% of Kosovo’s population wants independence, and this is supported by most of our partners in the EU, many of whom have already recognised Kosovo.”
“Ireland strongly supported last year’s proposal by the UN Secretary General’s Special Envoy on Kosovo, former Finnish President Martti Ahtisaari, which recommended that Kosovo’s status should be independence, supervised by the international community. This proposal included detailed provisions concerning the promotion and protection of the rights of communities and their members. I am pleased to note the commitment by Kosovo to implement fully the Ahtisaari recommendations.
“I know that the independence of Kosovo is painful for Serbia, and difficult to accept. And I want to underline that recognition of Kosovo is not an act of hostility toward Serbia. I hope that Serbia and Kosovo can soon begin to put their tragic shared past behind them and move toward a brighter future together in Europe. I look forward to future friendly relations between Ireland and Kosovo.”

Note for Editors:
On 17 February, the Kosovo Assembly adopted a resolution which declared Kosovo to be “a democratic, secular and multi-ethnic republic, guided by the principles of non-discrimination and equal protection under the law”. It undertook to implement the obligations set out in the Ahtisaari proposal for a final status settlement, emphasising “those that protect and promote the rights of communities and their members”.
At the General Affairs and External Relations Council (GAERC) on 18 February, EU Foreign Ministers underlined that Kosovo represented a unique case because of the legacy of the conflict of the 1990s and the fact that it has been under international administration since 1999 as provided for in UN Security Council Resolution 1244. It noted that “Member States will decide, in accordance with national practice and international law, on their relations with Kosovo.”
As of 28 February, a number of countries have already recognised Kosovo, including the US, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Denmark, Belgium, Latvia, Estonia, Luxembourg, Australia and Turkey. Many others, including a large majority of EU Member States, have indicated their intention to do so.


Its official along with so many others
http://www.kosovothanksyou.com/

SeanW

wes

Good to hear .

mick72

Very good.

Will they need visa to enter Ireland? Since most Albanians from Kosovo came to Ireland on the humanitarian grounds i.e. refugees, does that mean they will be served notice from immigration police?

shqipshume

mick72 wrote: »

Very good.

Will they need visa to enter Ireland? Since most Albanians from Kosovo came to Ireland on the humanitarian grounds i.e. refugees, does that mean they will be served notice from immigration police?

Yes it is very good for them

Yes like all countries they will need visa.

Police from immigration by what do you mean with that statement?

And remember they will be applying for EU and UN membership so the doors will be open for them to work and travel freely.
Which also means they can be granted to stay and work in their adopted countries which some will and some wont.

djpbarry

mick72 wrote: »

Since most Albanians from Kosovo came to Ireland on the humanitarian grounds i.e. refugees...

I didn't realise there were that many? According to the Irish Refugee Council, there were a whopping 24 cases of Kosovars being recognised as refugees in Ireland in 2004.

mick72 wrote: »

...does that mean they will be served notice from immigration police?

Why?

mick72

Well,

if you come here on the humanitarian basis such as persecution, refugees or whatever the situation and that's the grounds of your stay in Ireland, then once that obstacle is removed, what's the grounds of your residence here?

I do not know how Kosovo will ever become part of the EU since all EU states have to ratify such membership?

djpbarry

mick72 wrote: »

...if you come here on the humanitarian basis such as persecution, refugees or whatever the situation and that's the grounds of your stay in Ireland, then once that obstacle is removed, what's the grounds of your residence here?

If you've been granted permanent residence, I don't think you can be deported, if that's what you're saying.

CPT. SURF

I feel for the Serbs, they will have nothing left soon

Zombrex

CPT. SURF wrote: »

I feel for the Serbs, they will have nothing left soon

Serbia, they will have Serbia. Its pretty big. Its what they had at the start before Serbian expansion in the 19th century.

mick72

You needn't feel for Serbia; as far as I understand Kosovo has always been burden not only for them but for the whole of former Yugoslavia.

Kosovo is a very poor region and was kept alive by federal and serbian subsidies. Independence of Kosovo will not solve any single problem of its citizens. Economic basis of Kosovo makes me pessimistic about abilities to suvive as an independent state.

As well as that vast majority of the UN members are not going to recognise Kosovo, which effectively means that its citizens will not be able to travel into these countries with Kosovo passport. Russia and China will veto any Kosovo attempt to join various organisations. In addition to this, Kosovo's major problem is that Serbia is united in terms of Kosovo's independence and will certainly use its military power at some stage to recover Kosovo.

I can't see any investment going into Kosovo given its relationship with Serbia.

turgon

"The reality is that the legacy of the conflict of the late 1990s made the return of Serb dominion in Kosovo unthinkable"
On the bal, dermot.

To all those anti kosovars here, would you have Ireland put back under the brutal regime of the Brits???Remember the black and tans?? Because Serbia didnt treat Kosovo any better whatsoever.

murphaph

shqipshume wrote: »

And remember they will be applying for EU and UN membership so the doors will be open for them to work and travel freely.Which also means they can be granted to stay and work in their adopted countries which some will and some wont.

Not going to happen. The people of Europe have had enough of the expansion of the EU and DO NOT WANT the likes of Albania/Kosovo in the union. I do not believe Albanians share the core values of the European Union, which to my mind has gone too far already.

I have met and worked countless western, central and eastern europeans. The majority decent people with a strong work ethic. I have never met anyone from Albania/Kosovo in a work context.

turgon

As far as I know, Ireland's and the UK's borders to all new EU countries remain closed, after the excessive amount of immigrants that came in (polish in our case)

mick72

turgon wrote: »

"The reality is that the legacy of the conflict of the late 1990s made the return of Serb dominion in Kosovo unthinkable"
On the bal, dermot.

To all those anti kosovars here, would you have Ireland put back under the brutal regime of the Brits???Remember the black and tans?? Because Serbia didnt treat Kosovo any better whatsoever.

I agree to a certain extent. But why independence 8 years after Serbian Army left Kosovo? Serbs got rid of Milosevic and all that regime in 2000.

Germany united in 1990; only 45 years after what they did which was on much larger scale to anything Serbs did

turgon

mick72 wrote: »

Germany united in 1990; only 45 years after what they did which was on much larger scale to anything Serbs did

I think thats irrelevant, it wasnt as if the states of western europe tried to kill lots of people in the east. You are talking as if serbia didnt do anything in Kosovo. Which, obviously, they did

mick72

Serbia did not do in Kosovo anything that Croatia did not do to local Serbs who still live in Serbia after Croatian Army drove them all out. Do I have to remind you that the Krajina in Croatia was under UN protection? Kosovo was under no such protection plus NATO started bombing Serbia without UN backing.

When Iraq was killing the Kurds in Northern Iraq they got bombs as well, as we see Turkish Army is doing the same at the moment; however they are not being bombed into submission.

C'mon, I hope you don't believe to all this humanitarian bullsh1t

djpbarry

murphaph wrote: »

I do not believe Albanians share the core values of the European Union, which to my mind has gone too far already.

What are the core values of the average Albanian? What has gone too far?

turgon wrote: »

As far as I know, Ireland's and the UK's borders to all new EU countries remain closed, after the excessive amount of immigrants that came in (polish in our case)

Which EU countries are you referring to?

turgon

Romania and Bulgaria

djpbarry

turgon wrote: »

Romania and Bulgaria

Ireland's "borders" are not closed to Romanian and Bulgarian citizens.

gurramok

murphaph wrote: »

Not going to happen. The people of Europe have had enough of the expansion of the EU and DO NOT WANT the likes of Albania/Kosovo in the union. I do not believe Albanians share the core values of the European Union, which to my mind has gone too far already.

Unless you control the European Parliament ...How do you know the EU do not want Albania/Kosovo?

murphaph wrote: »

I have met and worked countless western, central and eastern europeans. The majority decent people with a strong work ethic. I have never met anyone from Albania/Kosovo in a work context.

So you pass judgment on the work ethic of Albania/Kosovo people you've never worked with?:rolleyes:

murphaph

djpbarry wrote: »

What are the core values of the average Albanian? What has gone too far?

EU expansion has gone too far. This is evidenced by the negative votes of Dutch and French electorate over the failed EU Constitution. The core values of the average Albanian can best be summed up with the hours of CCTV footage I have of them shoplifting at will. Usually accompanied by their offspring who are learning the tricks of the trade. Albanians form a disproportionately high number of shoplifters arrested for their supposed small numbers here.

Quite honestly I do not want Albanians to have freedom of movement across the EU. I do not believe Bulgaria should have been admitted either.

murphaph

gurramok wrote: »

Unless you control the European Parliament ...How do you know the EU do not want Albania/Kosovo?

The French and Dutch electorate have already told the EU what they think of further expansion: non/nej!

gurramok wrote: »

So you pass judgment on the work ethic of Albania/Kosovo people you've never worked with?:rolleyes:

Are you serious? Did you really miss my blindingly obvious point: I have worked with all manner of europeans from west to east. I have never worked with an Albanian/Kosovan. Get it now?

gurramok

murphaph wrote: »

The French and Dutch electorate have already told the EU what they think of further expansion: non/nej!

They voted against the Euro constitution at the time.

murphaph wrote: »

Are you serious? Did you really miss my blindingly obvious point: I have worked with all manner of europeans from west to east. I have never worked with an Albanian/Kosovan. Get it now?

Re-read your post. You stated that the Albanians don't have core European values and then you praise the work ethic of other EE's yet you imply that the Albanians don't have a work ethic.

You seem to have an unjustified chip on your shoulder about Albanians.

murphaph

gurramok wrote: »

They voted against the Euro constitution at the time.

Ok, we know that. What was the EU constitution about? Why do you think it was rejected by two countries at the very heart of the EU? Do you think people read the actual constitution cover to cover before voting 'no' because they didn't like some particular point in Chapter 2, Paragraph 5, Subsection 3 or whatever? Be realistic-people voted against further EU expansion when they rejected the constitution. The constitution would have allowed further expansion without the need for a new treaty to be ratified by all existing states each and every time.

gurramok wrote: »

Re-read your post. You stated that the Albanians don't have core European values and then you praise the work ethic of other EE's yet you imply that the Albanians don't have a work ethic.

The penny drops. Albanians don't have a work ethic.

gurramok wrote: »

You seem to have an unjustified chip on your shoulder about Albanians.

My experience with them says otherwise however I wouldn't describe it as a chip more a dislike.

gurramok

murphaph wrote: »

Ok, we know that. What was the EU constitution about? Why do you think it was rejected by two countries at the very heart of the EU? Do you think people read the actual constitution cover to cover before voting 'no' because they didn't like some particular point in Chapter 2, Paragraph 5, Subsection 3 or whatever? Be realistic-people voted against further EU expansion when they rejected the constitution. The constitution would have allowed further expansion without the need for a new treaty to be ratified by all existing states each and every time.

They voted against excessive powers being transferred to Brussels and saw the whole thing as being undemocratic.

murphaph wrote: »

The penny drops. Albanians don't have a work ethic.

So despite you have never met an Albanian, you call them lazy('not having work ethic')...you have proof of this?

murphaph wrote: »

My experience with them says otherwise however I wouldn't describe it as a chip more a dislike.

You had said you had never worked with an Albanian before yet you dislike them, why oh why??

murphaph

gurramok wrote: »

They voted against excessive powers being transferred to Brussels and saw the whole thing as being undemocratic.

Vague! They actually voted against the ability for the EU to expand without further consultation with the people. The tolerant dutch voted against it having just had an openly homosexual politician murdered by islamofascists (muslims who can't/won't conform to established rules of the societies they have adopted as home) and they feared the further infiltration of Europe by less tolerant types from the east. Are you stating categorically here that the majority of EU citizens are in favour of further expansion to include the likes of Albania? Don't make me laugh.

gurramok wrote: »

So despite you have never met an Albanian, you call them lazy('not having work ethic')...you have proof of this?

I have met Albanians. More than enough for this lifetime.

gurramok wrote: »

You had said you had never worked with an Albanian before yet you dislike them, why oh why??

Are you for real? I said I have experience of them, but not in a work context. I have only ever met them when they were caught stealing things. Is that clear enough?

mick72

I agree that Albanians do not share european values.

Serbs fell for it when they engaged the army to fight them and the media blew it out of proportion. KLA had killed more than 1,000 policemen on regular duty in the years predeeding any Serbian use of force. Even the US declared the KLA as a terrorist organisation at the time; however I do not know why they switched to support them eventually. Perhaps this documentary explains that to an extent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c9CHZqwCM4

It well known that Kosovo is a major route for human trafficking and drugs smuggling and I think Serbia is much better off without them. I just do not understand why Serbia is still repaying Kosovo's loans (€300m), and why are they still supplying them electricity.

Moriarty

How about we keep all the off-topic EU Expansion/Does A Single Albanian Have A Job rants to another thread and keep this one related to Kosovan recognition? To be clear, this isn't a suggestion.

regedit

mick72 wrote: »

I agree that Albanians do not share european values.

Serbs fell for it when they engaged the army to fight them and the media blew it out of proportion. KLA had killed more than 1,000 policemen on regular duty in the years predeeding any Serbian use of force. Even the US declared the KLA as a terrorist organisation at the time; however I do not know why they switched to support them eventually. Perhaps this documentary explains that to an extent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c9CHZqwCM4

It well known that Kosovo is a major route for human trafficking and drugs smuggling and I think Serbia is much better off without them. I just do not understand why Serbia is still repaying Kosovo's loans (€300m), and why are they still supplying them electricity.

I do nt know if you are employed by the Serb propaganda minstry but it is interesting that you share some crazy thoughts here.
The numbers of Serb police killed did not pass 2 dozen and that gave the serb machinery the "right" to go in an conduct ethnic cleansing.
Many if not most Kosovars were opposed to violence but nevertheless they were expelled from their homes and made to go to Albania (my in-laws BTW) and as they left their houses, their ID cards, passports etc were conficrayted in a move to erase them from all records.
You see to live in a loo-la land but thank God not many people out there believe you asnd people of your "caliber"

regedit

murphaph wrote: »

Not going to happen. The people of Europe have had enough of the expansion of the EU and DO NOT WANT the likes of Albania/Kosovo in the union. I do not believe Albanians share the core values of the European Union, which to my mind has gone too far already.

I have met and worked countless western, central and eastern europeans. The majority decent people with a strong work ethic. I have never met anyone from Albania/Kosovo in a work context.

This is a racist and at the same time insultive statement. I am surprised that the mod's have not deleted it.
If you have never met an Albanian (Kosovar) in a work context and yet again you judge them.
You pertain to be cosmpolitan citizen (by virtue of the facty that you have met and worked with many people) and yet you make racist comments and judge people without knowing any of them.
What can I say other than as part of the diversity amongs people, one can expect to meet all kinds of people. Amongst them people challenged in many ways.

Not to stray away from the topic, I wish to say that the independence of Kosova is a positive trend and it is a clear message to dictators and other tyrants that their reign will not be tolerated.

mick72

Regedit, the same goes for you.

You might be employed by Albanian propaganda too. Albanians in Kosovo always boycotted Yugoslav and Serbian laws. It is wrong to blame only Serbia for Albanians misfortunes in Kosovo. Large albanians rally's were held throughout times of ex Yugoslavia when local Serbian authorities were quite liberal. There was no sight of Slobodan Milosevic in 1981 for example.

Kosovo is a very poor region and within the old federation Slovenia was first to stop sending large subsidies to keep Kosovo alive. Even it Tito's Yugoslavia, which was well respected country, Albanians did not have a status of a Yugoslav nation, but that of ethnic minority. And Yugoslav constitution of 1974 gives a right of self determination only to nations: Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Montenegrin, Macedonians and Muslims.

I personally believe that Albanians did ask for trouble in Kosovo. How many Albanians were expelled from Belgrade or Novi Sad or some other parts of Serbia? How come Serbian army did not expell ethnic Hungarians or Slovaks from Vojvodina?

duggie-89

well its a pity the couldn't come to a settlement but if it was the will of thepeople then so be it. thats democracy unfourtanely lol

regedit

mick72 wrote: »

Regedit, the same goes for you.

You might be employed by Albanian propaganda too. Albanians in Kosovo always boycotted Yugoslav and Serbian laws. It is wrong to blame only Serbia for Albanians misfortunes in Kosovo. Large albanians rally's were held throughout times of ex Yugoslavia when local Serbian authorities were quite liberal. There was no sight of Slobodan Milosevic in 1981 for example.

Kosovo is a very poor region and within the old federation Slovenia was first to stop sending large subsidies to keep Kosovo alive. Even it Tito's Yugoslavia, which was well respected country, Albanians did not have a status of a Yugoslav nation, but that of ethnic minority. And Yugoslav constitution of 1974 gives a right of self determination only to nations: Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Montenegrin, Macedonians and Muslims.

I personally believe that Albanians did ask for trouble in Kosovo. How many Albanians were expelled from Belgrade or Novi Sad or some other parts of Serbia? How come Serbian army did not expell ethnic Hungarians or Slovaks from Vojvodina?

I do not think that you deserve my attention any more mick72. I have argued with you in a few threads producing facts and in the absence of facts, you throw at us rubish insulting our intelligence. While it is your democratic right to say whatever you want, this needs to have some substance and not hearsay from your gradparents.
I am open minded and have many serb frinds (do you have any albanians?).
I know what 90% of serbs think about Kosova and TBH, I do not give a dime. It is important what the civilised people think of the newest country in Europe. You go ahead and rant about electricity and Novi Sad.
Finally:
Quote from "Deobe"(Divisions)1961.Volume I,page 135: "A lie,trait of our patriotism" “We lie to deceive ourselves, to console others, we lie for mercy, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our and somebody else’s misery. We lie for love and honesty. We lie because of freedom. Lying is a trait of our patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence. We lie creatively, imaginatively and inventively."
This is just some food for thought for the rest. do a search on Google to discover who Dobrica Cosic (the author of the quote is) and you will draw some conclusions.

Riddle101

Why did it take nearly a week for Ireland to come out and say it recognised Kosovo's Indepedence? It's shouldn't really be that heard to contepmlate, especially for Ireland

mick72

Regedit,

now you can finally return to Kosovo and enjoy the economic stability

regedit

mick72 wrote: »

Regedit,

now you can finally return to Kosovo and enjoy the economic stability

I am an Irish citizen from birth and have been living here for a long time.
Ireland is my country.

murphaph

regedit wrote: »

This is a racist and at the same time insultive statement. I am surprised that the mod's have not deleted it.
If you have never met an Albanian (Kosovar) in a work context and yet again you judge them.
You pertain to be cosmpolitan citizen (by virtue of the facty that you have met and worked with many people) and yet you make racist comments and judge people without knowing any of them.
What can I say other than as part of the diversity amongs people, one can expect to meet all kinds of people. Amongst them people challenged in many ways.

Not to stray away from the topic, I wish to say that the independence of Kosova is a positive trend and it is a clear message to dictators and other tyrants that their reign will not be tolerated.

I have hours of CCTV footage of what Albanians do best-stealing. As part of my job I hire people-I get CVs from people from all over the world and have hired people from every continent. I have NEVER even received an Albanian CV, wonder why that is. I am being open and honest here-I know there must be some decent Albanians, but not many.

STEVO B

shqipshume wrote: »

Minister for Foreign Affairs Dermot Ahern TD Announces Ireland’s recognition of the Republic of Kosovo

29/02/2008


The Minister for Foreign Affairs, Dermot Ahern T.D., announced today that the Government has recognised the independence of the Republic of Kosovo.
The recognition of Kosovo by Government decision follows a resolution by the Kosovo Assembly on 17th February to declare Kosovo independent. Minister Ahern signalled then that he would recommend that the Government recognise its independence.
The Minister said: “We regret that years of talks failed to produce an agreement between Belgrade and Pristina. The reality is that the legacy of the conflict of the late 1990s made the return of Serb dominion in Kosovo unthinkable, and also undermined the prospects for a long-sought compromise. After almost nine years under UN-led interim administration, more than 90% of Kosovo’s population wants independence, and this is supported by most of our partners in the EU, many of whom have already recognised Kosovo.”
“Ireland strongly supported last year’s proposal by the UN Secretary General’s Special Envoy on Kosovo, former Finnish President Martti Ahtisaari, which recommended that Kosovo’s status should be independence, supervised by the international community. This proposal included detailed provisions concerning the promotion and protection of the rights of communities and their members. I am pleased to note the commitment by Kosovo to implement fully the Ahtisaari recommendations.
“I know that the independence of Kosovo is painful for Serbia, and difficult to accept. And I want to underline that recognition of Kosovo is not an act of hostility toward Serbia. I hope that Serbia and Kosovo can soon begin to put their tragic shared past behind them and move toward a brighter future together in Europe. I look forward to future friendly relations between Ireland and Kosovo.”

Note for Editors:
On 17 February, the Kosovo Assembly adopted a resolution which declared Kosovo to be “a democratic, secular and multi-ethnic republic, guided by the principles of non-discrimination and equal protection under the law”. It undertook to implement the obligations set out in the Ahtisaari proposal for a final status settlement, emphasising “those that protect and promote the rights of communities and their members”.
At the General Affairs and External Relations Council (GAERC) on 18 February, EU Foreign Ministers underlined that Kosovo represented a unique case because of the legacy of the conflict of the 1990s and the fact that it has been under international administration since 1999 as provided for in UN Security Council Resolution 1244. It noted that “Member States will decide, in accordance with national practice and international law, on their relations with Kosovo.”
As of 28 February, a number of countries have already recognised Kosovo, including the US, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Denmark, Belgium, Latvia, Estonia, Luxembourg, Australia and Turkey. Many others, including a large majority of EU Member States, have indicated their intention to do so.


Its official along with so many others
http://www.kosovothanksyou.com/

Im sure this sparked joyous scenes in Kosovo & they partied long into the night.

gurramok

murphaph wrote: »

I have hours of CCTV footage of what Albanians do best-stealing. As part of my job I hire people-I get CVs from people from all over the world and have hired people from every continent. I have NEVER even received an Albanian CV, wonder why that is. I am being open and honest here-I know there must be some decent Albanians, but not many.

Funny that, your the only one thats claimed such views, any proof of this by way of hordes of offenders dragged to court on charges of theft?

If you had not of noticed, Albania is a small country with a population smaller than ours, there wouldn't be that many going to little Ireland which is so far away.
Maybe that will improve now that Kosovo is independent and Albania itself will be more settled in the region with no threats from a certain country.

Labelling 4-5million Albanians in the region as a bunch of thieves is outrageous and shameful :mad:

djpbarry

murphaph wrote: »

I have hours of CCTV footage of what Albanians do best-stealing. As part of my job I hire people-I get CVs from people from all over the world and have hired people from every continent. I have NEVER even received an Albanian CV, wonder why that is. I am being open and honest here-I know there must be some decent Albanians, but not many.

Seriously man, what's your beef with Albania? And besides, we're talking about KOSOVO!

regedit

murphaph wrote: »

I have hours of CCTV footage of what Albanians do best-stealing. As part of my job I hire people-I get CVs from people from all over the world and have hired people from every continent. I have NEVER even received an Albanian CV, wonder why that is. I am being open and honest here-I know there must be some decent Albanians, but not many.

Just wondering what do you do for a living?
Are you paranoid by default or by profession?
As someone said, Albania is a small country and at the same time poor so it is highly unlikely that you would have met many.
You should be able to make a difference between Albanians and Kosovar Albanians but it seems you are not able to do that either. Anyway, I have met a few Irish, Serb, Swiss etc scumbaggs but iot would never cross my mind to generalise the matter (I presume that is where the education-both academic and the one obtained from the family kicks in!) Good luck in your CCTV-ing

murphaph

Yawns to the PC-brigade. I am stating facts known to me. If you have problems with that, well, tough. Enjoy your outrage.

regedit

murphaph wrote: »

Yawns to the PC-brigade. I am stating facts known to me. If you have problems with that, well, tough. Enjoy your outrage.

I coud say i.e. all people of X country are idiots because I know that these are facts.
Seriously man, use your grey matter for something! Does this make you an idiot or the people of contry X (even thoug you(think) you have arguments?

BTW, another state to recognise Kosova is Slovenia.

shqipshume

:eek:I find great hypocrisy and rudeness and racism towards Albanian people as a whole, when truth is i have come across many people who work with them in construction world.They are well thought of and respected by their employers.
In the last 12 years and some many years previous they are apart of our society. Some came before Yugoslavia broke up as Yugoslavian as that's what their passports had on them.

You never see Albanians in the news papers here and alot of the insinuations made are made by propaganda,
Every country has criminal element and not long ago they said it was the Italians who were the biggest drug dealers and criminals and now its the Albanians,it was the Romanians,haha pointing fingers is typical.

Ireland was not so long ago thought of as third world country,and with Funding and support it grew so Albania and kosova will aswell.
When u are no longer oppressed and spoken of as a terrorist country in its extremes as i might add also Ireland was considered not so long ago u will grow economically as all countries do.
You gotta start somewhere

P.S Thank you for all ur replies has been very interesting 2 view so many different debates,some very factual and i am astonished and happy to see how well educated some of u are on the matter at hand.
And for other i reiterate when u try to argue ur facts bring some facts with you.As propaganda is dying very quickly as u can see.

Iceland Recognized :cool:

shqipshume

murphaph wrote: »

Not going to happen. The people of Europe have had enough of the expansion of the EU and DO NOT WANT the likes of Albania/Kosovo in the union. I do not believe Albanians share the core values of the European Union, which to my mind has gone too far already.

I have met and worked countless western, central and eastern Europeans. The majority decent people with a strong work ethic. I have never met anyone from Albania/Kosovo in a work context.

And again please tell us your amazing source of information. You have no idea what the governments want.

Well with that mentality i am glad they haven't had to meet you!

Albania and Kosova have high fuel economy in both. Albania has the largest water resources in Europe as well. They also have turn out of highest academic achievement in University and college, hence been granted enrolment into USA universities.

I dont have the figures the mines in Kosova are worth but i know its over the millions mark. They are not poor in resources and with little bit of funding they will flourish.

while also u say u doubt they want Kosova or Albania in EU or UN as opposed to Serbia. After the show of aggression towards all people who recognized Kosova.

mick72

Albania always had water resources, and the cleanest sea. So what was stopping them to develop tourism on a large scale?

Kosovo is a Nato state as long as Nato is there. Kosovo will never become a member of United Nations, so all it can do is develop relations with countries that have recognised Kosovo.

Has anyone any statistics on Kosovo and Albania? Then we could perhaps draw some comparisons in terms of economy, culture etc..

Why do you think that Ireland was thought of as a third world country? On what grounds do you justify that?

djpbarry

mick72 wrote: »

Albania always had water resources, and the cleanest sea. So what was stopping them to develop tourism on a large scale?

They are. Remember, Albania was a communist state until '92. There were teething problems in switching to democracy, but things seem to be picking up now - the standard of living is steadily increasing.

mick72 wrote: »

Has anyone any statistics on Kosovo and Albania?

What sort of statistics?

mick72 wrote: »

Why do you think that Ireland was thought of as a third world country? On what grounds do you justify that?

Oh, come on. We all remember Ireland pre-1990's. It was a developing country and we're still playing catch-up.

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mick72 wrote: »

Albania always had water resources, and the cleanest sea. So what was stopping them to develop tourism on a large scale?

Kosovo is a Nato state as long as Nato is there. Kosovo will never become a member of United Nations, so all it can do is develop relations with countries that have recognised Kosovo.

Has anyone any statistics on Kosovo and Albania? Then we could perhaps draw some comparisons in terms of economy, culture etc..

Why do you think that Ireland was thought of as a third world country? On what grounds do you justify that?

I do not mean to be disrespectful but I do not think you are aware of your state of mind.
You can label an individual as stupid, ignorant or backward but when you stigmatise a whole nation, then you are deemed a racist, fascist or demented.

Albania was oppressed under Hoxha for 50+ years and even before that they did not enjoy much liberty (occupied up the beginning of 20 century for 500 years by the Turks. So, it is a new state that has passed through difficult periods in the near past (the collapse of pyramid schemes). As stated previously, the mentality of Albanians from Albania is somewhat different than the Kosovar Albanians.

I for one do not work in the construction but I know for sure that Albanians in Switzerland and Germany (most of them are Kosovars are highly respected and do not end up often in black chronicles of local press). They are honest and proud of who they are.

Yes, Kosovo is poor but we might discuss why has this been so? Even though during the communist rule Kosova gained some rights, it was economically underdeveloped as there were no investments coming in! The mines of Trepca worked in 2 shifts and they got large quantities of gold etc but again, very little went back into Kosova. There was a say “Trepca is working-Belgrade been built”

Finally, it is better to be poor then oppressed.

And to add, Ireland was poor up to the 90. I was here and I know. I travelled a lot throughout Europe and can make comparisoms. We still lack the infrastructure of most EU countries.

The Corinthian

I'd be interested to hear how people compare this on a legal level with the Iraq war. There appears to be more popular support for this here on Boards than the war, yet both were essentially unilateral moves that were taken because they would have failed to gain UN legitimacy.

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The Corinthian wrote: »

I'd be interested to hear how people compare this on a legal level with the Iraq war. There appears to be more popular support for this here on Boards than the war, yet both were essentially unilateral moves that were taken because they would have failed to gain UN legitimacy.

If the "application" for Kosova's independence had gone through the General Assembly, I am convinced that most countries would voted for the independence of Kosova. Because if went through the Security Council, that is why Russia and potentially China would have vetoes the decision. Kosova represents a unique case, most people say that. A special envoy was chosen to try and solve the issue but Ahtisaari wasn't able to please both so he decided the way he did. It does not stand that justice is on the side of Serbia as Kosova was not always part of Serbia. It was given to Serbia by the will of the big powers after the Berlin Congress!
It was oppressed by Serbia for a long time and everything escalated in 1999.